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Does Suffering in the World Disprove God's Existence?
Depths of Pentecost ^ | July 14, 2018 | Philip Cottraux

Posted on 07/14/2018 3:34:56 PM PDT by pcottraux

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To: Telepathic Intruder
Of course, if they don’t believe in the Bible then they’re not going to believe any Biblical explanations.

This is the classic trap. "I demand you show me evidence God exists." So I used to try to show it to them, but this was a fruitless exercise. I would try to explain the first cause argument, the teleological argument, the anthropic principal, the powerful historical evidence for the Bible stories especially with regards to the life and resurrection of Christ...only to have all of this discounted as "insufficient evidence." Eventually I realized their minds were already made up and no amount of evidence they demanded to see would actually convince them. At least Nietzche was honest about this.

It's like the Bible says...the rich man was in hell and begged Abraham to send Lazarus back from the afterlife to warn his brothers of this place. But Abraham said even if they were to see a man come back to life, if they won't believe Moses and the prophets (the Bible), they won't believe Lazarus.

"Show me proof!" is always followed by "That's not proof!"...then when you get frustrated and walk away, "Ah ha! You weren't able to show proof!" I've stopped debating atheist because of it. Just pray for them and that's all you can do.

41 posted on 07/15/2018 1:18:57 PM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: Halgr
Folks these days have a hard time believing in Satan...yet HE IS THE AUTHOR of most suffering here on earth.

Satan's greatest accomplishment is that nobody believes in him.

42 posted on 07/15/2018 1:19:37 PM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: Dalberg-Acton
Don’t over think it. Do you have faith or not?

Of course I do! That's not the point. Apologetics is an important subject in theology and if Christianity is the truth, it will outshine any humanist philosophy. That's why I write blogs like these instead of arguing with people.

43 posted on 07/15/2018 1:22:38 PM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: jonrick46; TalBlack
This question about if there was a God, how could he let the be any suffering, is so old.

2,300 years old, to be exact.

44 posted on 07/15/2018 1:23:29 PM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: pcottraux

No.


45 posted on 07/15/2018 1:24:26 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: pcottraux
"It's like an ant trying to comprehend how a cell phone works. "

It is like an ant saying, "There is no purpose to a cell phone. I've walked all over it and it does nothing for me! There is no meaning to this world and no higher being than myself. Find an ant who can prove otherwise."

46 posted on 07/15/2018 1:25:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: apocalypto

Well, I had to come up with a little more to say than that or it would have been a very short blog this week. :)


47 posted on 07/15/2018 1:26:16 PM PDT by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: pcottraux

That’s what I believe and hope!


48 posted on 07/15/2018 1:29:52 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didnÂ’t.")
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To: pcottraux

lol


49 posted on 07/15/2018 1:34:42 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: pcottraux
I had an atheist recently argue with me that if God was all powerful then he couldn't be all good and if God was good, then he couldn't be all powerful - the basic Epicurean argument. His logic was that if there was suffering of innocent children and God could do something about it, yet the suffering remained, then it proved God was not good. No amount of evidence WRT free will and a fallen world was enough - his mind was already made up.

God tells us that without faith it is impossible to please Him and that whoever comes to God must believe that He IS and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

50 posted on 07/15/2018 3:25:48 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life.)
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To: pcottraux

A person must first hear the calling for himself before he can come to God. You can help show the way, but that is all. It really does no good trying to convert someone who doesn’t want to be converted. There is no power on Earth that can do that.


51 posted on 07/15/2018 4:31:49 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: pcottraux

Suffering proves the introduction of sin as a result of the fall of man in the Garden of Eden.


52 posted on 07/15/2018 5:09:58 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: pcottraux

It’s rather difficult to say that suffering disproves God’s existence when the greatest person who suffered in this life was God.


53 posted on 07/15/2018 5:53:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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