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The Humiliation of the Southern Baptist Convention [Sexual Abuse]
AlbertMohler.com ^ | May 23, 2018 | Albert Mohler

Posted on 08/18/2018 9:39:49 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

Sexual misconduct is as old as sin, but the avalanche of sexual misconduct that has come to light in recent weeks is almost too much to bear. These grievous revelations of sin have occurred in churches, in denominational ministries, and even in our seminaries.

We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem. The unbiblical requirement of priestly celibacy and the organized conspiracy of silence within the hierarchy helped to explain the cesspool of child sex abuse that has robbed the Roman Catholic Church of so much of its moral authority. When people said that Evangelicals had a similar crisis coming, it didn’t seem plausible — even to me. I have been president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for twenty-five years. I did not see this coming.

I was wrong. The judgment of God has come.

Judgment has now come to the house of the Southern Baptist Convention. The terrible swift sword of public humiliation has come with a vengeance. There can be no doubt that this story is not over.

We cannot blame a requirement of priestly celibacy. We cannot even point to an organized conspiracy of silence within the denominational hierarchy. No, our humiliation comes as a result of an unorganized conspiracy of silence. Sadly, the unorganized nature of our problem may make recovery and correction even more difficult and the silence even more dangerous.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; evangelical; frankfurtschool; gramsci; mohler; sexualabuse
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1 posted on 08/18/2018 9:39:49 AM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Thak-you for having this article posted again.


2 posted on 08/18/2018 9:45:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem.

It is a huge, worldwide, systemic Roman Catholic problem.

The vatican itself is infested with sexual perversion that the pope allows to work there.

3 posted on 08/18/2018 9:50:32 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

**Judgment has now come to the house of the Southern Baptist Convention. **

Not just a Catholic problem. What do you know?????!!!!!


4 posted on 08/18/2018 9:56:06 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

This is a systemic problem in religion, not just the Catholics, wherever there is a possibility for abuse someone will take advantage of it. Or are you so simple you don’t believe there are abuses anywhere else?


5 posted on 08/18/2018 9:56:35 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

There is some serious dirty crap in the Baptist Church as well. It’s not just Catholic.
I was raised Baptist, I know better than to take just one of them fishing.


6 posted on 08/18/2018 9:57:40 AM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem.

Literally just the other day, I saw this idea expressed on another forum (which is generally friendly to the Southern Baptists). This view has yet to be openly questioned there.

I did not see this coming.

Here's mote in your eye!

7 posted on 08/18/2018 9:58:46 AM PDT by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
RE: the Catholic problem
Sexual abuse by pastors is actually more prevalent in non-Catholic and non-Christian religions, although the press would never tell you that. In 2002, for example, the year the Catholic scandals broke, Hari Krishnas were actually disbanded by judicial order because of their universal child abuse.
That is not to minimize the horrendous damage done by bad priests, and the damage will continue until they are rooted out, but it is definitely NOT linked to the rule of celibacy.
8 posted on 08/18/2018 9:59:49 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Biggirl

This is a good article and must reading for those who identify with Protestant beliefs.

There’s a tendency to talk about the sexual sins in the Catholic area too much, bad as they are.

But sexual sin is everywhere for better or worse, it was a Southern Baptist who once told “Playboy”:

“In my heart I have lusted after women”.

When Jimmy Carter passes away his policies will not be something I remember with positive feelings, but ironically it will be those words that I will feel positive about because they speak to my condition and experience.

It is way past time for all those religious whatever their faith to face the truth about sex in their lives and how their sexual lives have impacted their church lives, whatever that truth is no matter how dirty that truth is.

I can’t do that for others, but I can do it for myself.


9 posted on 08/18/2018 10:00:02 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODYS BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Mastador1
This is a systemic problem in religion, not just the Catholics, wherever there is a possibility for abuse someone will take advantage of it. Or are you so simple you don’t believe there are abuses anywhere else?

First, I note the logical fallacy of attacking the messenger. No worries, but it has no persuasive power as an argument.

Second, you are making a category mistake in logic... we are not talking about incidents of abuse, which are part of the human condition

We are discussin The Roman Catholic institutionalized machinery and leadership that covered it up, transferred the perps to fresh pastures, shielded them from criminal prosecution, refused to remove them from positions within the institution, moved assets to prevent victims from recovering damages, etc.

The Roman Catholic systemic abuse of children and its evil coverup are unparalleled in any other centralized institution.

The scope is worldwide and includes not just the abusers, but the leaders and hierarchy that cared more about the reputation of the institution than the children.

That FRomans here attempt to minimize this as isolated or equal to others have their eyes closed - willfully.

The report that happened in PA - in only 6 dioceses, is just one state, with only 1,000 victims willing to come forward and detail the satanic abuse they faced. If you have not read what priests did to children - raping, etc. - you should.

This process will now unfold in additional states.

Australia is now unfolding the abuse.

Many, many, many other countries will as well.

This is a Trillion dollar judgement coming down the pike and well deserved... not because there was abuse, but because they enabled and perpetuated and hid the abuse.

The leadership should face jail time.

10 posted on 08/18/2018 10:10:12 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: waterhill
There is some serious dirty crap in the Baptist Church as well. It’s not just Catholic.

Yes there is and I condemn it.

It is not just the Catholic church, but there is no comparison to what Rome has done to any other institution.

11 posted on 08/18/2018 10:12:43 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Salvation

Nobody with even the tiniest shred of honesty ever said it was exclusive to some specific group.

But, without exception, the people who have insisted that this group or that group cannot be pedophiles are actively working hard to perpetuate the rape of children.

This is why people who love children brook no safe harbours for pedophiles.

Not the churches.
Not the schools.
Not law enforcement.
Not doctors.
Not psychologists.
No even little old ladies or teenage siblings.

Nobody gets held as incapable to rape a child.


12 posted on 08/18/2018 10:16:52 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: MrEdd

I agree that the Catholic Church has its problems, but the list from PA went back 70 years.

Have you read Bill Donohue’s column about this?


13 posted on 08/18/2018 10:19:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Once again it is not just a Catholic issue but as this posted has shown, it is across the in other churches as well.

Truth cannot be denied .


14 posted on 08/18/2018 10:21:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl

Correction: across the board.


15 posted on 08/18/2018 10:23:06 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Mastador1
This is a systemic problem in religion, not just the Catholics, wherever there is a possibility for abuse someone will take advantage of it. Or are you so simple you don’t believe there are abuses anywhere else?

Not a religious problem. Or strictly a religions program. Consider:

Jimmy Saville

Jeffry Epstein

England's ongoing problem with pedophile rape gangs.

I've seen rumors of pedophile networks in high places for decades.

"Malakoi are in kings' houses."

16 posted on 08/18/2018 10:23:30 AM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Because of the size of the Catholic church (1.6 BILLION) of course we are going to have more problems! To compare us to a typical protestant church whose membership is probably a thousand or less is ridiculous. People who say allowing priests to marry will solve the homosexual pedophile problem. Wrong: just look at the Southern Baptist Convention and the Willow Creek mega church scandals.

I do blame this latest pope for not aggressively working to root out all homosexual pedophile priests. Aparently braying about global warming, open borders, and the evils of capitalism are far more important to this pope. The fish rots at the head. I hate this pope.


17 posted on 08/18/2018 10:27:25 AM PDT by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

thank you for posting that- abuse in most of the protestant religions do not even begin to compare to what the catholic church (and likely other religious denominations that are welcoming homosexual predators into their parishes without requiring them to repent and turn from their sin/abomination)) has engaged in. Homosexual predators are not a major part of the protestant religion. The Catholic church has protected homosexual predators for a long while now- so much so that homosexual predators seek out the church knowing they will be protected. There simply is no vast worldwide network of homosexual predators infesting the protestant religion- while there are individual cases no doubt- it doesn’t even compare to what has gone on in the catholic religion-

There are also other religions that are openly embracing the homosexual culture- and we will find soon that massive abuses have been going on in those denominations as well- but most protestant denominations do not embrace and protect homosexual predators.

Sexual criminals can make their way into any religious organization- even protestant religions- No church is immune to this problem- however- as pointed out by you and others already- it’s not a systemic issue that infests the organization like it does in some religions.


18 posted on 08/18/2018 10:29:17 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Biggirl

There has never been another systematic coverup of this magnitude, in this many countries, by the hierarchy of an institution.

It is pure evil.

Deny it as you will FRiend.


19 posted on 08/18/2018 10:29:26 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mastador1

Predators go where there is easy prey.

Who sees people at their most vulnerable times, more than clerics?


20 posted on 08/18/2018 10:30:19 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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