Closing in on 30,000! Catholic women, sign the Catholic Women's Letter to Pope Francis

Catholic Women's Forum ^ | August 30, 2018 | Catholic Women's Forum

[Mrs. Don-o]

CATHOLIC CAUCUS

...but I won't blow the whistle on non-Catholics if you want to constructively discuss how to get more Catholic women's signatures on this Open Letter to the Pope.

Why do I think this matters?

On the one hand, a miracle might happen and the Pope will take these concerns seriously.

May God's will be done. But even if Pope Francis is utterly unmoved by tens of thousands --- or hundreds of thousands or millions --- of women demanding answers from him, the organizers of this petition --- if they are as smart as I think they are --- will use their burgeoning e-mail list to organize further actions to press for honesty, atonement and purification.

And when necessary, criminal indictments.

It's up to us to use now the graces of our Baptism and Confirmation: to speak up clearly and pay up personally. Contact your bishops. Contact your priests and deacons and get THEM to contact your bishop.

Make it clear that we will not support the parish/diocesan structure with $$ unless they stop the silence and speak up for the whistle-blowers.

Only 10 bishops, to my knowledge, have spoken out for former Vatican Ambassador Vigano's "Testimony" about cover-ups at the top.

Here's a link to Vigano's 11-page Testimony. If you haven't read it yet, read it now (make sure you're sitting down) asnd then send the Vigano link AND the Catholic women's letter link to everybody you know.

If you are not a Catholic woman, send this to your favorite Catholic woman!

This is just one step, but it's a step.

It is our duty under Canon 212 to speak out.

Remind your Bishop that it is HIS duty to offer his fraternal support to whistle-blowers like Vigano by demanding an investigation of his charges, and demanding answers from Pope Francis, Cardinal Wuerl, and the rest.

Don't let them say the equivalent of "Not my job, boss." At this point it's everybody's job, and theirs above all.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I really think this is important. Please commit to circulat these two links (the one for Vigano's testimony and the one for the Catholic Women's letter) online, on-tweet and everywhere.

Please respond and encourage others.

"He who is not angry, whereas he has cause to be, sins. For unreasonable patience is the hotbed of many vices, it fosters negligence, and incites not only the wicked but the good to do wrong."
-St. John Chrysostom, Bishop and Father of the Church.

"Anger is a praiseworthy thing and justifiable with a proper zeal. It becomes sinful when it is sought to wreak vengeance upon one who has not deserved it, or to a greater extent than it has been deserved." -
New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia

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[ADSUM]

Thanks for taking action and your prayers.

We need to pray, ask for forgiveness and do penance for the sins of the church.

Talk to your priests and seek their thoughts. I sense some are unwilling to speak out on the corruption in the church and do not want to offend Pope Francis.

God’s Peace be with you.

[ealgeone]

While your efforts are understandable....it really doesn't matter if 100,000,000 Roman Catholic women sign.

Can. 1404 The First See is judged by no one.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM

[Mrs. Don-o]

[M Kehoe]

Bttt.

5.56mm

[Sacajaweau]

If God wanted female apostles, he would have made it so.

[Bell Bouy II]

Why Remain Catholic

Bishop Barron

https://youtu.be/-ani_hnN8Fs

[Mrs. Don-o]

I certainly agree, with reference to clergy as successors of the Twelve and Paul. But is this relevant to the thread in some way?

[Mercat]

So women should also shut up?

[Ken H]

What does that have to do with the thread?

[BlessedBeGod]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

[Mrs. Don-o]

This is Free Republic, not the Democratic Underground. This language is abusive in any case, plus it is not the kind of constructive engagement which was specifically asked for.

Please ask the Admin Moderator to remove it.

[barbarianbabs]

Ok
There are thousands of children who have survived the church.
Pedos reign there.
We are used to being silenced.

[ealgeone]

Laugh all you want....but it is Roman Catholic Canon Law.

[Mrs. Don-o]

LOL. Nobody is silencing you, though you may want to posture as someone being suppressed by the mean ultraconservatives at FR.

My objection is that you use obscene language, and that is not allowed in any Free Republic forum.

You could make an effort to remain decent and try again.

[Reno89519]

The pope and everyone involved with preying upon children and anyone within the church, or covering it up, needs to resign. It is destroying the church. Homosexuals, which are the source of much of this evil, need to be removed from the church without exception. Even my wife, who defends all things Catholic, now frets that Pope Francis and this evil is destroying the church. Me, I think they, starting with the pope and anyone involved on done to the parish priest, need to be convicted by the church and executed, else turn over all information for 100% transparency and let local authorities try, convict, and jail or execute them. Give no quarter to anyone that harms a kid or young adult.

[Campion]

That canon means there is no court-of-appeal beyond a Papal decision, not that nobody is allowed to have or express an opinion.

You're out of your league when you start trying to tell Catholics what their own church law means.

[Mrs. Don-o]

So nice to have a-non-Catholic here who is also a canon law expert.

But you are wrong. You are failing to distinguish between advising, admonishing, and "judging."

There is no provision in canon law for a valid pope to be judged by a canonical trial. However, there are other powers and indeed duties which we have with regard to correcting papal errors:

• anyone, yes the laity, but esp. bishops and cardinals, can advise or admonish a pope
• a pope can judge another pope: this could arguably be done by Pope Emeritus Benedict; or after Pope Francis dies, he could be judged posthumously by his successor
• the best option, in my opinion, would be a finding that Pope Francis was not validly elected pope, and therefore be can be both tried, judged, and deposed.
  • Advising and admonishing of a pope has happened many times historically, including by lawmen and laywomen.

  • a deceased pope being judged posthumously by his successors, has also happened historically

  • There were about 37 antipopes (claimants who were not legitimate popes) before the 15th century, and every one of them was deposed by Cardinals who determined that they were never validly elected.

If something has happened many time historically, it is absurd for you to say it is impossible.

So that's why my advice to you is, as always: in matters Catholic, ASK us, do not TELL us, what we can and cannot do.

You so often make puerile pronunciamentos as if you knew a lot about the matter at hand, when, so frequently, you demonstrate that you do not.