Posted on 07/28/2023 1:43:58 AM PDT by spirited irish
Here is my previous post after watching this Heiser guys vid
(m.youtube.com/watch?v
Mind Reading, Demonic Possession: the Bible on Demons)
previously posted.
(https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4168929/posts)
What is 2nd temple Jewish literature ? I assume it’s not scripture or he would be referencing which book of the O.T. Is it the writings of the Jewish mysticis ? ( kabala ? ) Google says it’s.. … is known to us through a number of literary sources— ...anonymous works.... that imitate or seek to interpret the Bible and were preserved by later Christian … \ The literature associated with this tradition includes the books ...., Sirach (- Sirach ? Funny, none of my bibles has that book.-) / OT Pseudepigrapha; 5. Rabbinic Literature; 6. Philo; 7. Targums
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Heiser doesn’t pass the berean test imho.
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I presume your comment “allow them” means to include them with canon.
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You presume wrong.
He still includes their content in addition , not as part of, cannon to base his theology and cosmology and his umderstanding of the biblical spiritual realm.
Your tendency to presume is probably why you seem to be a poor berean.
I am not suggesting that anyone accept Heiser's writings as absolute, but they are well worth reading, studying, and considering.
Had to stoop to a personal attack, didn't you?
I wonder what the Bereans would say about that?
he has always carefully explained that Enoch is NOT in the Biblical canon.
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Another bait and switch strawman.
My point has zero to do
with enoch/ cannon or not.
It is his reliance on all the other writings I mentioned im my earlier post
I don’t need to listen to anymore,
I’ve heard him go astray with the Gnostic and other literary works enough.
Once you stray from the OT and NT into...
“2 2nd temple “ writtings
Sirach
Philo
Targums
Rabbinic Literature
Pseudepigrapha
..you have ceased being a berean and have become a cemitary/seminary educated wise man who has became a fool.
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Are those writings in your bible ?
They aren’t in mine
( KJV. or NKJV or NASB or NIV or greek/English interlinear based on.
Textus Receptus )
You can “ appeal to authority” and quote ‘ experts “ all you want
.you do you
But don’t argue his views are bible based
They aren’t
They are influenced and based on stuff written by unknowns and rabbis and old writtings and other ‘ experts” .
our tendency to presume is probably why you seem to be a poor berean
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Not an attack.
An observation.
Iam not suggesting that anyone accept Heiser’s writings as absolute, but they are well worth reading, studying, and considering.
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They are not scripture
or scripure ( solely ) based solely.
They have zero value to a berean.
They lead into unbiblical views.
They are, imho, misleading and dangerous.
Yeah, right. Shame on you.
Gee I don't know. That's a tough call.
RoosterRedux to cuz1961
Yeah, right. Shame on you.
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James 3:1-12 New International Version (NIV)
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
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Shame on someone for sure.
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Either now,
or
at the Bema Judgement seat
( 2 Corinthians 5:10 )
Or
the Great White Thrown
I think this is the time when I say to you: Don't post to me again. You're opinion is no longer welcome.
And believe me. I won't post to you either.
- scripture—what I suggest
OR as you suggest..
“a Biblical scholar that has lectured and taught at top seminaries and is held in high regard by many of the best theologians and Biblical scholars around the world.
Gee I don’t know. That’s a tough call”
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( KJV. or NKJV or NASB or NIV or greek/English interlinear based on.
Textus Receptus )
You can “ appeal to authority” and quote ‘ experts “ all you want
.you do you
But don’t argue his views are bible based
They aren’t
They are influenced and based on stuff written by unknowns and rabbis and old writtings and other ‘ experts” .
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I have nothing to apologize for.
Im pointing out false teachings.
Yes, he did. His book, Demons is very much worth reading.
No, but then he wouldn't. He knew too well that so-called aliens are fallen angels.
“The reduction of demons to the evil within man is the work of pantheist Progressive Liberal interpreters just as the reduction of man to aggregate of matter or holon is the work of new pagan Marxist and other mystical pantheist NWO theoreticians.”
I look at it exactly opposite of you. “Demons” become the excuse, the crutch to otherwise absolve evil in men. So by application of your logic, I am “reducing demons to the evil within man” and you are “reducing evil to the existence of demons”.
I do not excuse evil behavior, and you do by simply blaming it on demons, if I am understanding your point.
We won’t even discuss the proof of demons, in whatever form it may or may not exist, but we have proof every minute of the day of the evil within men, and that’s just looking inside the beltway!
So needless to say, I reject your dismissal of my point using the “pantheist Progressive” categorization. Perhaps that was not you, but the demon on your shoulder?
In an age of naturalism, who excuses their evil by blaming demons? No one does. In the absence of God, they scapegoat other humans, as man has been doing from ancient times.
you are “reducing evil to the existence of demons”.
Not at all. I am saying the fall of man was preceded by the fall of Lucifer into Satan, the nacash (serpent) in the Garden who seduced Adam and Eve, and this is Biblical while yours is not.
And so we will leave things as they are since your belief is of your will , meaning you willfully chose it, as is mine. And no man or woman has the power to change the will of another man or woman. However, demons can and do control the will of a man or woman through possession.
“No one does.”
Plenty of people actually do blame demons. Certain Christian sects push this. It’s as crazy as it sounds, but it’s true that they do it, and it’s corrosive to the individual and those around them. I call it “Flip Wilson” theology - as in “The Devil Made Me Do It”.
“demons can and do control the will of a man or woman through possession.”
Respectfully disagree on demons, but agree on leaving things as they are - willful choice, and all that.
“fallen angel demons”
As Heiser would have explained, angels are never demons and demons are never angels.
Fallen angels are just fallen angels.
Agreed. I just figured he left out a comma and meant fallen angels, demons.
Isn’t Satan a fallen angel?
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