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Evolution Is Biologically Impossible
www.irc.org ^ | Joseph Mastropaolo, Ph.D

Posted on 06/24/2002 2:56:50 PM PDT by Texaggie79

IMPACT No. 317


Evolution Is Biologically Impossible

by Joseph Mastropaolo, Ph.D.*

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Charles Darwin was daydreaming when he wrote that he could visualize "in some warm little pond," with all sorts of salts and electricity, the spontaneous generation of the first living cell.1 Darwin's dream of the magical powers of salts and electricity may have come from his grandfather. Mary Shelley wrote of him in 1831 in her introduction to Frankenstein. "They talked of the experiments of Dr. Darwin . . . who preserved a piece of vermicelli in a glass case, till by some extraordinary means it began to move with voluntary motion." She goes on to speculate that galvanism (electricity) was the extraordinary means.2All theories need testing, so I bought some vermicelli pasta, kept it in salt water in a test tube for a month, and never saw any motion, voluntary or otherwise. I also used a tesla coil to conduct "galvanism" through it to a fluorescent bulb. The bulb lit and the vermicelli eventually began to cook, but never came to life.

"Darwin's bulldog," Thomas Huxley, had a vision of himself on the early earth as "a witness of the evolution of living protoplasm from non-living matter."3 In Huxley's day, the cell was blissfully considered simply a blob of protoplasm. Huxley also may have read Mary Shelley's subtitle to Frankenstein, "The Modern Prometheus."2 Prometheus was the Greek mythical Titan, who formed a man of clay, then animated it. This myth may be the earliest reference to abiogenesis, the animation of inorganic materials. In order not to leave that possibility untried, I fashioned a clay man and directed the tesla-coil spark over it to light the bulb. The clay man was not animated.

Evolutionists currently invoke the "primeval soup" to expand the "warm little pond" into a larger venue, the oceans. They aim to spontaneously generate the first cell so they must thicken the salt water with (take a breath) polysaccharides, lipids, amino acids, alpha helixes, polypeptide chains, assembled quaternary protein subunits, and nucleotides, all poised to self-combine into functional cellular structures, energy systems, long-chain proteins and nucleic acids.4Then during an electrical storm, just the right mix of DNA, mRNA, ribosomes, cell membranes and enzymes are envisioned in the right place at the right time and the first cell is thunderbolted together and springs to life.5 That marvelous first cell, the story goes, filled the oceans with progeny competing in incredible polysaccharide, lipid, amino acid, nucleotide, and cannibalistic feasts. The predators thereby thinned the soup to the watery oceans we have today while the prey escaped by mystically transmuting themselves into the current complex animals and plants, or perhaps vice versa because no one was there to record it. We are assured by the disciples of Darwin and Huxley that the "once upon a pond" story to obtain a blob of protoplasm is still sufficient for the spontaneous generation of the cell as we know it today. All demur when asked for evidence. All balk when asked to reverse-engineer a cell in the laboratory in spite of the fact that laboratories rival nature and reverse engineering is orders of magnitude easier than engineering an original design. One wonders why they balk if cell stuff is so easily self-generated and carbon molecules seem to have such an innate tendency to self-combine.

To test simply the alleged self-combining tendency of carbon, I placed one microliter of India (lampblack) ink in 27 ml. of distilled water. The ink streaked for the bottom of the test tube where it formed a dark haze which completely diffused to an even shade of gray in 14 hours. The carbon stayed diffused, not aggregated as when dropped on paper. At this simple level, there is no evidence that the "primeval soup" is anything but fanciful imagination.

In science, the burden of evidence is on the proposer of the theory. So although the evolutionists have the burden of providing evidence for their fanciful tales, they take no responsibility for a detailed account or for any evidence demonstrating feasibility. Contrarily, they go so far as to imply that anyone holding them to the normal requirements of science is feebleminded, deranged, or evil. For example, Professor Richard Dawkins has been quoted as saying, "It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)."6 Instead of taking proper responsibility for the burden of evidence, the evolutionist propagandizes by the intimidation of name calling.

To set a better example, let us take up the evolutionist's burden of evidence to see where it leads. Our first observation is that apparently all functions in a living organism are based largely upon the structures of its proteins. The trail of the first cell therefore leads us to the microbiological geometry of amino acids and a search for the probability of creating a protein by mindless chance as specified by evolution. Hubert Yockey published a monograph on the microbiology, information theory, and mathematics necessary to accomplish that feat. Accordingly, the probability of evolving one molecule of iso-1-cytochrome c, a small protein common in plants and animals, is an astounding one chance in 2.3 times ten billion vigintillion. The magnitude of this impossibility may be appreciated by realizing that ten billion vigintillion is one followed by 75 zeros. Or to put it in evolutionary terms, if a random mutation is provided every second from the alleged birth of the universe, then to date that protein molecule would be only 43% of the way to completion. Yockey concluded, "The origin of life by chance in a primeval soup is impossible in probability in the same way that a perpetual motion machine is impossible in probability."7

Richard Dawkins implicitly agreed with Yockey by stating, "Suppose we want to suggest, for instance, that life began when both DNA and its protein-based replication machinery spontaneously chanced to come into existence. We can allow ourselves the luxury of such an extravagant theory, provided that the odds against this coincidence occurring on a planet do not exceed 100 billion billion to one."8The 100 billion billion is 1020. So Dawkins' own criterion for impossible in probability, one chance in more than 1020, has been exceeded by 50 orders of magnitude for only one molecule of one small protein. Now that Professor Dawkins has joined the ranks of non-believers in evolution, politesse forbids inquiring whether he considers himself "ignorant, stupid, insane, or wicked."

Let us proceed to criteria more stringent. For example, Borel stated that phenomena with very small probabilities do not occur. He settled arbitrarily on the probability of one chance in 1050 as that small probability. Again according to this more stringent criterion, we see that evolving one molecule of one protein would not occur by a wide margin, this time 25 orders of magnitude.9

Let us go further. According to Dembski, Borel did not adequately distinguish those highly improbable events properly attributed to chance from those properly attributed to something else and Borel did not clarify what concrete numerical values correspond to small probabilities. So Dembski repaired those deficiencies and formulated a criterion so stringent that it jolts the mind. He estimated 1080 elementary particles in the universe and asked how many times per second an event could occur. He found 1045. He then calculated the number of seconds from the beginning of the universe to the present and for good measure multiplied by one billion for 1025 seconds in all. He thereby obtained 1080 x 1045 x 1025 = 10150 for his Law of Small Probability.9

I have not been able to find a criterion more stringent than Dembski's one chance in 10150. Anything as rare as that probability had absolutely no possibility of happening by chance at any time by any conceivable specifying agent by any conceivable process throughout all of cosmic history. And if the specified event is not a regularity, as the origin of life is not, and if it is not chance, as Dembski's criterion and Yockey's probability may prove it is not, then it must have happened by design, the only remaining possibility.

Now to return to the probability of evolving one molecule of one protein as one chance in 1075, we see that it does not satisfy Dembski's criterion of one chance in 10150. The simultaneous availability of two molecules of one protein may satisfy the criterion, but they would be far from the necessary complement to create a living cell. For a minimal cell, 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations would be needed.5,10 If these raw materials could be evolved at the same time, and if they were not more complex on average to evolve than the iso-1-cytochrome c molecule, and if these proteins were stacked at the cell's construction site, then we may make a gross underestimation of what the chances would be to evolve that first cell. That probability is one chance in more than 104,478,296, a number that numbs the mind because it has 4,478,296 zeros. If we consider one chance in 10150 as the standard for impossible, then the evolution of the first cell is more than 104,478,146 times more impossible in probability than that standard.

Reproduction may be called a regularity because billions of people have witnessed billions of new individuals arising that way, and in no other way, for thousands of years. The origin of life was a unique event and certainly not a regularity. Therefore, according to mathematical logicians, the only possibilities left are that life either was generated by chance or by deliberate design. The standard for impossible events eliminated evolution so the only remaining possibility is that life was designed into existence. The probability of the correctness of this conclusion is the inverse of the probability that eliminated evolution, that is, 104,478,296 chances to one.

Although the certainty of design has been demonstrated beyond doubt, science cannot identify the designer. Given a designer with the intelligence to construct a cell and all life forms, it is not logical that he would construct only one cell and leave the rest to chance. The only logical possibility is that the designer would design and build the entire structure, the entire biosphere, to specified perfection. That seems to be as far as science can go.

Life was designed. It did not evolve. The certainty of these conclusions is 104,478,296 (1 followed by 4,478,296 zeros) to one. This evidence suggests a Designer who designed and built the entire biosphere and, for it to function, the entire universe. Primary and secondary sources from history properly provide additional information on the Designer because the biological sciences are not equal to that task.

References

1 Darwin, F., ed (1888) The Life and Letters of Charles Darwin, London: John Murray, vol. 3, p. 18.
2 Shelley, Mary W. (1831) Frankenstein: or, The Modern Prometheus, London: Henry Colburn and Richard Bentley, Introduction, p. 9.
3 Huxley, Thomas H. (1870) "Biogenesis and Abiogenesis" in (1968) Collected Essays of Thomas H. Huxley, vol. 8, Discourses Biological and Gelogical, New York: Greenwood Press, p. 256.
4 Behe, Michael J. (1996) Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, New York: Touchstone, pp. 262-268.
5 Denton, Michael (1986) Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, Bethesda, Maryland: Adler & Adler, p. 263.
6 Johnson, Phillip E. (1993) Darwin On Trial, Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, p. 9.
7 Yockey, Hubert P. (1992) Information Theory and Molecular Biology, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 255, 257.
8 Dawkins, Richard (1996) The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design, New York: W.W. Norton & Co., p. 146.
9 Dembski, William A. (1998) The Design Inference: Eliminating Chance Through Small Probabilities, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, pp. 5,209,210.
10 Morowitz, H. J. (1966) "The Minimum Size of Cells" in Principles of Biomolecular Organization, eds. G.E.W. Wostenholme and M. O'Connor, London: J.A. Churchill, pp. 446-459.

* Dr. Mastropaolo is an adjunct professor of physiology for the ICR Graduate School.

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To: buffyt
The main thing that made me NOT believe in evolution [I never would believe in that BS anyway] is that living forms decay back into dirt ...

I wonder how you account for the multitude of SIMILARITIES in the genes that ALL living creatures/insects etc posses?

Do you just ignore it?

The same way that those who opposed Pastuer argued that small GERMS could NOT POSSIBLY be the cause of disease?

Do *you* wash your hands time and time again for something YOU cannot see?

Why is that?

I mean - you CAN'T see those germs and they are NOT identified in the Bible either ...

51 posted on 06/24/2002 3:45:41 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Johnny Shear
Personally, I believe in evolution, just not with our species. There is no evidence, whatsoever that humans evolved from lesser forms, NONE. There is proof of footprints of man just as old as dinosaur prints though. Man was created directly in the image of God, and science cannot even get close to disproving that. Now, everything else, it could have all started as amoebas that God initially created for just that purpose.

I don't limit God. The only fact I know is of His existence. The rest is all trivial.
53 posted on 06/24/2002 3:47:24 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: RightFighter
Answers must be 3500 words or less and cannot contain any of the phrases "could have," "might have," or "is believed to have."

Hey, that's not fair. You know that is their realm of expertise. Evolution "could have" done anything they say it "might have" done (if you only "believe").

The Blind Atheist

54 posted on 06/24/2002 3:47:49 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: Virginia-American
Wouldn't we exterminate any rivals?

HUH? You mean we would see a Gorilla building a wheel and we would run over and kill them for that? lol

55 posted on 06/24/2002 3:48:27 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Here, read this.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000D4FEC-7D5B-1D07-8E49809EC588EEDF&catID=2
56 posted on 06/24/2002 3:50:23 PM PDT by The Mike Device
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To: RonF
Also, why fruit's and vegetables? I mean, I know non-creationists say that plants somehow figured out that animals would eat the fruit and spread the seeds, but wouldn't that require rational thought?
57 posted on 06/24/2002 3:51:13 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: RightFighter
I would like a pro-evolutionist to explan briefly how either of the following complex systems could have evolved:

1. The human eye

What an excellent question! The eye has a lens to focus light. a retina, a cornea, the eyeball itself, and the "wiring" back to the brain. Did the wiring "evolve" before the eyeball? If so, what would impell the organism to "design" wiring if nothing was attached to it?

If the eyeball came first, how did the organism get the necessary feedback to know if the eyeball design was best, without the wiring back to the brain?

Furthermore, without the eye having ALL the necessary components (say it had a lens but no retina, or a cornea but no lens, etc) then how could it get the necessary design feedback to even START the design?

58 posted on 06/24/2002 3:52:43 PM PDT by berned
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; Texaggie79
LOL, I won't touch it for now. I got two messages from the man, over that (can you beleive it?), the last one threatening to boot me. I must comply...
59 posted on 06/24/2002 3:52:51 PM PDT by NC_Libertarian
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To: Bandolier
Which trailerpark was this opinion written in?

I have found myself a new phrase!

60 posted on 06/24/2002 3:55:21 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Texaggie79
What's his PhD in?
61 posted on 06/24/2002 3:56:47 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Texaggie79
What happened to the Neanderthals? My guess is that we killed the ones we couldn't (or wouldn't) f***.
62 posted on 06/24/2002 3:58:47 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: berned
Yea but it could have, would have and may have happened anyway. And besides where is you imagination??? With evolution all things are possible if you only believe. Just make up a good story and you can call it science!
63 posted on 06/24/2002 3:58:51 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: RightFighter
I've seen better ones but the various links here are fairly brief: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/eye.html

I'd like a Creationist to explain why whales have small muscles devoted to moving their ears, when they don't have any ears.

64 posted on 06/24/2002 3:59:13 PM PDT by John H K
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To: berned
You ask these questions as if Homo sapiens were the only living organism to ever have an eye or light sensitive organ of any kind. You can't really have that simplistic a world view can you?
65 posted on 06/24/2002 3:59:17 PM PDT by The Mike Device
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To: Texaggie79
I wanted to join this thread...can I bring tpaine with me?
66 posted on 06/24/2002 3:59:25 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: RightFighter
Come on. You ask us how it "could have" happened, and then you say we can't use words like "could have" in our answers. Wasn't that one of the verses in "Scarborough Fair"?

67 posted on 06/24/2002 3:59:35 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: RonF; spqrzilla9; KayEyeDoubleDee; Physicist; staytrue
the argument about the origin of life, and the science of how new species had and have originated are two different issues.

So true. Evolution is like rust: I can argue that the model T is rusting away in the field. Rust is what is happening to it, but rust is not what created it.

Many creationists think that by talking evolution at all we are denying that God created life. Of course He created life. That doesn't mean life can't "evolve" or even "de-evolve" (which I think might be the more accurate description) after creating it. After all, I do not think man is as physically pure as he was when God initially created the first ones, male and female.

The big missing link, of course, with evolution theory is how life began in the first place. That is why many studying the evolution of life become believers in a "creator" while still trying to piece together what happened to life after creation.

The biggest problem with these "evolutionists" who believe there is a creator is that although they believe He could create the first DNA strand, they can't accept that He could have created a fully developed man, fish or planet. They believe to a point. Their creator or "god" is severely limited.

Worse, they presume to know why he would have created everything from a starting point of a single cell or DNA or RNA. They flatter themselves. To equate their staggeringly puny mental abilities to those of the creator of life itself is like my dog sitting in judgement on why I go to work everyday.

My dog's brain is limited. Our brains are too. Some of us have reached the mental heights to at least know that much. Others are such mental pygmies that they don't even know that they don't know.

He spoke, and it was made.
He commanded, and it stood fast. - Psalm 33

68 posted on 06/24/2002 4:00:25 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Texaggie79
You going libertarian on us?
70 posted on 06/24/2002 4:01:18 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Texaggie79
Life was designed. It did not evolve.

What is your proof? You use your false statistics to try to disprove the only usable theory on how life began without offering a counter-theory. If only we are to believe you ....

71 posted on 06/24/2002 4:02:32 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: The Mike Device
You ask these questions as if Homo sapiens were the only living organism to ever have an eye or light sensitive organ of any kind. You can't really have that simplistic a world view can you?

ANY eye. Now answer the question, unless you accept evolution uncritically. You can't really have that simplistic a world view can you?

72 posted on 06/24/2002 4:02:34 PM PDT by berned
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To: Focault's Pendulum
Running to get my gloves....... :)
73 posted on 06/24/2002 4:03:09 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: 4ourprogeny
Evolution Is Biologically Impossible And it is.

Therefore all dogs should look the same, because human devised breeding techniques which "evolve" the species into useful creatures like sheepdogs and poodles should be impossible. i.e. All Dogs Are Wolves

74 posted on 06/24/2002 4:03:27 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: RightFighter
I would like a pro-evolutionist to explan briefly how either of the following complex systems could have evolved:
Do you deny the existance of SO MANY genes that are identical between SO MANY different species INCLUDING MAN?

Why is that - how can SO MANY things be found IN MAN and also SO MANY animals?

HOW IS IT that animals have eyes, brains, hearts and LUNGS like we do - and YET we can think and reason - YET the animals have 100% of what we have physiologically?

WHY is it that NO LIFEFORMS arose out of compounds other than carbon and didn't make use of GENES (which contain those 'blueprints' passed around from various species for eyes and brains and other 'complex systems'.)?

LIFE on earth has *more* of a common denominator than even the 'creationists' can conceive.

To believe as they do - they must *actually* place limits on God's abilities and God's notion of the universe and ignore his many laws that the universe he created obeys.

They are instead imposing their own narrow, restricted view of nature *and* of God on God and his wonderful and many-splendored creation ...

75 posted on 06/24/2002 4:03:33 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Redcloak
Libertarians don't own a monopoly on pot..........
76 posted on 06/24/2002 4:04:15 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: toddhisattva
The replicator. The specific form is just an implementation detail

Ok. For those of us without the benefit of your scientific knowlege, explain what the replicator is, and what would be required to design it. Thanks.

77 posted on 06/24/2002 4:04:30 PM PDT by berned
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To: berned
The whole gamut of eyes exists, from simple light-sensitive spots on the skin (which humans retain, by the way) all the way up through the wonders of nature sported by eagles. Every step in the development of the eye is still represented by extent creatures. The eye was one of the very first of the "irreducible complexity" arguments to fall -- Darwin, himself, showed the steps in the evolution of the eye.
78 posted on 06/24/2002 4:04:58 PM PDT by Junior
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To: buffyt
The main thing that made me NOT believe in evolution [I never would believe in that BS anyway] is that living forms decay back into dirt after they die.

And why would that fact make you NOT believe in evolution? In the survival of the fittest, it is eat or be eaten. Even in death, the remains are usually devoured by something.

79 posted on 06/24/2002 4:05:05 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: berned
we see simple eyes in many still living beings. Not all eyes are the same. Many are just collections of light sensitive cells. You can follow a chain of complexity to humans or even to more complex eyes than our own, say, a Hawk or Eagle.
80 posted on 06/24/2002 4:05:30 PM PDT by The Mike Device
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To: Raymond Hendrix
Don't ask them difficult questions. It only confuses them.

If there is a god, who created god?

81 posted on 06/24/2002 4:06:58 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: _Jim
I wonder how you account for the multitude of SIMILARITIES in the genes that ALL living creatures/insects etc posses?

Actually quite easily. Let me answer with a question: How do you account for the similarities between a Buick, a chevy and a Cadillac?

Answer - they're all made by the same company.

God didn't make man in a vacuum. This whole ecosystem is designed as a unit. It makes sense that all life would be identical at some level, in some ways. Heck, that's why we can use most plants and animals as fuel for our body. They're compatible.

Oh, and the similarities are also there to confuse those who just have to find a "non-God" explanation for everything...

82 posted on 06/24/2002 4:07:18 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: spqrzilla9
Why discuss this? All these 'criticisms' of evolution are obsolete, having been answered by the evolution community.

But, where they answered well?

83 posted on 06/24/2002 4:08:12 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Junior
Wow!
84 posted on 06/24/2002 4:08:17 PM PDT by The Mike Device
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To: RightFighter
I would like a pro-evolutionist to explan briefly how either of the following complex systems could have evolved:

1. The human eye

2. The process of blood clotting

At some time some cells responded to light and those "creatures" had some advantage that was passed on. Through many generations, the cells specialized. The same with blood clotting. Now tell me, why did god wait so long before creating man?

86 posted on 06/24/2002 4:09:38 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee; spqrzilla9; Texaggie79
just out of curiosity, are you ignorant, stupid, or insane?

Or where they answered like this?

87 posted on 06/24/2002 4:10:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Texaggie79
I don't limit God. The only fact I know is of His existence. The rest is all trivial.

You've just nailed the whole issue. Of course there are those here that will argue your use of the word "fact" in the above statement, but I don't. 8^>

88 posted on 06/24/2002 4:10:42 PM PDT by RobRoy
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To: Johnny Shear
Why do you freaks keep posting this crap? Are you THAT blinded by your hope or your need to believe that the bible is absolutely true?
I think they are in deep denial - they find themselves using the very tools that science wrought (computers and microprocesors and the TONS of science that got us to this *place* here on FR) -

- but YET they cannot fathom a universe that operates with the same rules and laws that governs microprocessors (and all the physics and electronic processes that make them work) and ALSO governs man (humans) and his (their) living, breathing bodies and the very cellular interaction with chemical processes that take place.

In a word, they have a very 'locked', juvenile, 4th grade view of the world and all that goes on in it.

WHICH, incidently, explains a LOT of what goes on here at FR (the "4th grade view of the world" aspect that is) ...

89 posted on 06/24/2002 4:10:55 PM PDT by _Jim
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To: Junior; The Mike Device
Both of your posts made no attempt to answer the question. If we said to you "The Bible has already disproven the possibility of evolution" you wouldn't stand for it.

I'm aware that there are many degrees of eye complexity in the world. My question was how could an eye "evolve" without design feedback?

Wouldn't that be exactly like trying to fine-tune a TV set with the monitor off?

90 posted on 06/24/2002 4:11:28 PM PDT by berned
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To: berned

Maybe you can enlighten me. What do the evolutionists say came first, the cell, or the DNA/RNA code to CREATE that first cell?

If the cell came first, don't you need DNA to blueprint that cell? If the DNA coding came first, who wrote it?

Thanks.

If nothing can exist without efficient cause, the universe must have had an efficient cause...God.

Who is the efficient cause of God?

If the universe can exist without efficient cause, God is a joke.

If nothing can exist without efficient cause, God cannot exist without efficient cause; who created him?

92 posted on 06/24/2002 4:11:30 PM PDT by Bandolier
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To: XDemocrat
Well I'm 54 and I believe in evolution, because God made it possible. You know you can have both.

A position to easily allow mutual satisfaction. However, the strict bible readers will believe the bible is the word of god and CANNOT believe in evolution. They do, however, ignore the fact that the bible has been "revised" many times (by man).

93 posted on 06/24/2002 4:12:21 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: BKT
You speak like I wrote this thing. Hell I didn't even read any of it. I just wanted to post a 1000 post thread.
94 posted on 06/24/2002 4:13:29 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
It starts with pot and a few "harmless tokes", but then you move on to the hard stuff. Before you realize what's happened, you'll be spouting off about how we should just let Amtrak go down the tubes.
95 posted on 06/24/2002 4:14:08 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Raymond Hendrix
Don't ask them difficult questions. It only confuses them.

If Noah only carried two of each species, what did they eat for 40 days?

96 posted on 06/24/2002 4:16:22 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Read my book and you will find the answer to your question.

The Blind Atheist

97 posted on 06/24/2002 4:16:31 PM PDT by Raymond Hendrix
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To: Texaggie79
Joseph Mastropaolo is the author of this article. At the article's end, it says: "Dr. Mastropaolo is an adjunct professor of physiology for the ICR Graduate School." Here's a website (part of the ICR site) alleging to describe him: Joseph A. Mastropaolo, Ph.D. . If this stuff is genuine, the guy's not an idiot. Except when it comes to evolution, of course.
98 posted on 06/24/2002 4:16:37 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Redcloak
LMAO!

Actually, I guess I might be a reverse libertarian. In high school I did pot and thought all drugs should be legal. Now I only drink and I think pot should be legal........ whats next for me?
99 posted on 06/24/2002 4:16:46 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: RightFighter
I would like a pro-evolutionist to explan briefly how either of the following complex systems could have evolved: 1. The human eye 2. The process of blood clotting Answers must be 3500 words or less and cannot contain any of the phrases "could have," "might have," or "is believed to have."

eye : any three dimensional object will be affected more by light on one side than the other- therefore light sensing organic units are almost trivial.

clotting: Organisms without the ability to clot blood die, period, so no non-clotters will survive..

On the other hand: creationists "believe" a divine entity "might have" created everything from nothing, so creationism "could have" been the answer.

100 posted on 06/24/2002 4:16:47 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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