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A Letter To The Editor: LAITY, DROP YOUR STONES
National Catholic Register ^ | June 23-29,2002 | John Ryan

Posted on 06/25/2002 4:07:12 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

Laity,Drop Your Stones


It has been extremely difficult and painful to confront the reality of the Church's abuse scandals.However, as with any scandal, now that it out in the open there is a real opportunity for healing to occur.

As a layperson, my greatest concern at this point is how the laity has been addressing this issue. Those who have been most vocal seem to put all the responsibility on priests and bishops. How self-righteous we are. Perhaps it's time address the plank in our own eye.After all we, the laity, have our scandals to address.

Though many of the lay groups that are forming to address this issue call theselves "faithful," the majority of the laity over the past several decades have been anything but.Indeed, I would suggest that a good place to start addressing our own scandals would our widespread unfaithfulness to the Church's teachings. And our collective disobedience has been most prominent in - of all areas - sexual morality!

Does anyone really believe it's just a coincidence that after 30 to 40 years of thumbing our collective nose at the teaching authority of the Church in this regard, we find the Church mired in a sex scandal? Where in the world do we think these priests and bishops came from,anyway?The Church didn't raise them.We did.They came out of our families. I believe that it's well past time that we put down our rocks,get on our knees and undertake our own purification in this regard.

The time has long since passed for the laity to put aside the cafeteria-Catholicism of the past several decades and truly partake of the banquet the Church has to offer.If we do, this can truly become the "springtime of hope" the Pope envisions.The only question is: Do we have the maturity,the integrity - and the faith - to face this scandal at its core? For our sake and that of our children and of the world, I pray that we do.

John Ryan

Ballwin, Missouri


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1 posted on 06/25/2002 4:07:12 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue
Yes, all Christians are called to stay with God's way, including in the area of sexual morality. But for Catholics, priests and bishops are supposed to lead the way. They have cowered from doing so for an eternity.
2 posted on 06/25/2002 4:39:13 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Lady In Blue
I would also like to say that it's particularly hard for Catholic parents to raise their kids with a thorough understanding of Christian sexual morality when nobody, but nobody in the Church (at least around here) will even mention it. In the Catholic Church, most all power resides in the hierarchy. It has completely failed to use that power to teach and affirm authentic Catholic sexual morality. That hierarchy bears much more of the blame than the laity.
3 posted on 06/25/2002 4:41:31 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Lady In Blue
John has some very good points. Americans WANT a lax priesthood, they WANT general absolution, they WANT to be able to pretend to be Catholic while cherishing their IUD and their gay best friends. Scandal is a word with no referent to most of us.
4 posted on 06/25/2002 4:44:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: Lady In Blue
The Church didn't raise them.We did.They came out of our families. I believe that it's well past time that we put down our rocks,get on our knees and undertake our own purification in this regard.

This speaks volumes about family values and how the left has intimidated the masses of people through the media and other means. (Planned Parenthood, etc.)

Back to basic Bible reading and basic Catholic beliefs as put forth in The Catholic Catechism.

BTW, does anyone know if the catechism is ONLINE yet. I have not searched so I may be asking a silly question. (Just exhibiting a little bit of laziness! Ha!)

5 posted on 06/25/2002 5:03:41 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; ...
Prayer break:

For the Pope, the Bishops and the Cardinals: (Please pray with me.)

PRAYER TO ST. MICHAEL

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen

6 posted on 06/25/2002 5:06:28 PM PDT by Salvation
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And for all families.
7 posted on 06/25/2002 5:07:38 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
See the links (lower right side) at http://www.diocesereport.com/

Resources
Virtual Rosary Online
Holy Bible from Latin Vulgate
Rheims Bible(NT) - 1582
Douay Catechism of 1649
Baltimore Catechism 1
Baltimore Catechism 2
Baltimore Catechism 3
Baltimore Catechism 4
New Catechism
Council of Trent Catechism
Catechism of Pius X
Catechism of Thomas Aquinas
Code Of Canon Law - 1983
Council Of Trent
First Vatican Council
Second Vatican Council
Papal Documents
List of Popes
Traditional Marriage Rite
Traditional Baptism Rite

8 posted on 06/25/2002 5:31:28 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses
Thanks, narses, I'll check that out and find out if the most recent edition is there.
9 posted on 06/25/2002 5:38:39 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Lady In Blue
Where in the world do we think these priests and bishops came from,anyway?

Sorry, Mr. Ryan. Neither my mother or my father taught me to shield lawbreakers and allow them to continue their lawbreaking.

This is NOT ABOUT SEX! It's about bishops who wouldn't rid the priesthood of abusers because the hierarchical Church taught them that protecting the institution was the first priority.

Which branch of the service inculcates in its members:

I will not lie, cheat or steal, nor will I tolerate those who do.?

It was the laity, and non-Catholic laity at that, who exposed the scandal in the first place. If it had been left to the clerics, the shielding and abuse would still be ongoing.

10 posted on 06/25/2002 5:40:12 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Lady In Blue
You stated for our discussion ... so:

1. The insinuation, no the statements herein are flatly correct ... the priests are the products of our human families ... but the innuendo is that all of these "families" to include my own, perverted our Faith in some manner, which is patently incorrect.

2. We do, in general lack in FAITH ... that which explicitly and implicitly trusts in God. This is particularly true in the matter of NFP.

3. To be silent in the face of such scandal would be a bigger scandal and dishonor the Sacraments that have fed us and sustain us in Faith.

Perhaps we hedge our bets in our personal sins, but we do not violate the basis of Catholicism which lies in the Natural Laws of God. Homosexuality and abortion are severe abberations of the laws of nature which are, after all, the LAWS OF GOD.

So, I agree that we need to rely on our Faith and prayer lives, But I just as clearly believe that while we may retrospectively, be calling the kettle black, our "pot" is discolored, but not charred.

For us to passively support such egregious flaunting of the most intrinsic of God's laws with acceptance that lies without action can and will crumble the foundations of the Church at a time that they need to be reinforced with sound reconstruction. He has said that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her, but we must be the guardians, to a great degree on the heavenly side of those fiery gates.
11 posted on 06/25/2002 5:41:07 PM PDT by AKA Elena
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To: AKA Elena
Ditto and Amen.
12 posted on 06/25/2002 5:43:47 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Lady In Blue
To John Ryan,

Let's not be too quick to shift the blame from the Catholic clergy to the Catholic laity. Good Catholic families did send good, young men to the seminaries (where else would one expect a future, good priest to come from?). Scores of these men, upon entering, either left the seminary out of disgust or were outright rejected by Catholic rectors, non-Catholic psychologists, etc. that deemed them "too orthodox" or "too rigid". I think many more potential priests never even contemplated a religious vocation, because of the experiences mentioned above.

Many of the Catholic clergy in charge of these seminaries either supported or ignored a concentrated effort to promote a homosexual infiltration of the highest offices of the Catholic Church.

I, for one, will not accept blame for their sins; and I will hold on to my stones 'till they drop from my cold dead fingers.

13 posted on 06/25/2002 5:51:14 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: Lady In Blue
Dear Lady,

Sorry. I have a problem with this letter. It assumes that the problem started with the laity. From my perspective, it didn't.

From where I sit, I just take a look at my own parents. Children of immigrants, they were brought up in devout, strict households. They received the Catholic education given to immigrant children, which was short on theological sophistication, but long on pious devotion, love of Jesus, and love of Mary and veneration of the saints.

As they grew to adulthood, the world changed. After Vatican II, in the "spirit of Vatican II", they were taught by dissident priests that dissent from binding teaching was perfectly okay, as long as they were following their consciences. They didn't invent this garbage. They wouldn't have known how. Even to this day, when my mother babbles this dreck, it's like hearing a third grader trying to explain St. Thomas Aquinas' five demonstrations of the existence of God. It would be cute if it weren't so pathetic.

And my parents, in love, in ignorance, passed this junk to their children. The results? Two apostates, one very, very confused cultural Christian, and me, for whatever that's worth.

I went to Catholic schools. I wasn't taught Church teaching. I wasn't taught much at all about Catholicism. I went to a respected Catholic high school. Run by an order of monks. We were taught Freud, Marx, Camus, Sartre, Maslow, Jung. But don't think that we were asked to read St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas, or any papal encyclicals. This school didn't even have a lay principal until 1968, and was still heavily populated with brothers and priests when I graduated in 1978.

No, sorry, the ordinary people in the pews didn't do this. We are all each individually responsible to God for our own souls, and will each answer for our lives. But the crisis in the Church today is not of the making of the laity. We haven't done much to date to stop it, but we didn't create this problem.

Neither does that mean that we ought to throw stones at the bishops, priests, and others who exercise authority in the Church. We have to identify what has been done, and by whom, and we must do what we can to effect the removal of as many guilty parties in the hierarchy as we can.

But this can't be about revenge or bloodlust or even just retribution. It's about identifying those who have failed, doing what we can to force them from high office, and praying that they will be replaced with men of high moral character, orthodox belief and practice, and uncommon common sense.

sitetest

14 posted on 06/25/2002 5:53:51 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: Lady In Blue
I agree with the writer also. I don't know about you folks but I'm ashamed of some of the things I see catholics do. In fact, I would be hard pressed to name a dozen who actually "walk the walk."

And the good Lord knows, I've been no saint my entire life. I'm just glad the media isn't coming after sinners like me.

Some of the guys at work (policemen) kid me about the scandal in the Church. I tell them "hey, let's just hope the media doesnt start doing stories on cops who cheat on their wives."

Generally shuts them up pretty quick.

15 posted on 06/25/2002 5:53:51 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: yendu bwam
Here are some thoughts for those parents.

Today's Gospel? The narrow gate or the broad road?

16 posted on 06/25/2002 5:58:55 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
BTW, does anyone know if the catechism is ONLINE yet.

I use this site.

Catechism Search Engine

17 posted on 06/25/2002 6:00:54 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: sinkspur
Don't you just love those bedwetting chindrooling liberals?

Seems that the concept of 'justice' being a GOOD has totally escaped their little minds--got lost in the idea that 'love' means never having to say "KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY KID, YOU STINKING PERVERT!!" and never having to say, "BISHOP XXX, YOU ARE ACCESSORY TO A CRIME!!!"

I will worry about my sins, because I will pay for them.

Accessory Bishops and predator priests might pay for theirs here on Earth, too.

18 posted on 06/25/2002 6:02:06 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: pegleg
Thanks, pegleg.
19 posted on 06/25/2002 6:02:50 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I agree with the writer also. I don't know about you folks but I'm ashamed of some of the things I see catholics do. In fact, I would be hard pressed to name a dozen who actually "walk the walk."

Remember the story of Mary Magdalene?

"Let the man who is without sin, cast the first stone."

20 posted on 06/25/2002 6:06:26 PM PDT by Salvation
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