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To: Anamensis
What I like most about Flannery is that she shows how mankind has lost its natural religious instinct to respect something greater than ourselves.

That's another thing. Why do you suppose this is? What is the first few months of every human life like? Think about it.

Precisely! It is in the innocent baby that humbles me! And how do you explain so many people who suffer mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual need for supernatural consolation? The source of their grief goes to the core of their being, and has no superficial remedy. This spiritual vacuum, though very often easy to ignore, is like groping around in darkness. So, it comes down to trust in ultimate goodness--souls are won by words, example and above all..sacrifice.

To me it outlines wishful thinking on behalf of the followers of modern atheists who champion "new morality," the subjectivity of Truth, the sexual revolution, and absurdity in thinking everything material.

Again, there is another option. There is an atheist stance that is respectful of objective truth.

But concrete truths do exist! On this we will forever disagree!

40 posted on 07/05/2002 6:15:37 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Precisely! It is in the innocent baby that humbles me! And how do you explain so many people who suffer mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual need for supernatural consolation?

Like this: the first year of our lives we are helpless. The first experiences we have are of being hungry and crying out... and a large, seemingly omnipotent being (mommy) comes and feeds us. We are wet or dirty and we cry out... and a large, seemingly omnipotent being comes and changes our diapers. We are frightened or angry or upset and we cry out... and a large, seemingly omnipotent being comes and comforts us. In other words, mammals are imprinted early with a template for crying out for help and being helped. I've seen kittens do the same thing, do you think they believe in god? No. They just know that when they cry, someone comes. Things that are hatched from eggs and then slither away, like snakes, have no such early experiences. So when you talk about the "instinct" to look beyond ourselves for aid from an omnipotent force, all you are talking about is the residue left from our earliest experiences of dependency.

Again, there is another option. There is an atheist stance that is respectful of objective truth.

But concrete truths do exist! On this we will forever disagree!

We aren't disagreeing! Read what I said, please. You'll never understand who you are arguing with as long as you try to shoehorn me into the little category you have carved out for post-modernists and commies, which you have labeled "atheist".

43 posted on 07/06/2002 7:11:49 AM PDT by Anamensis
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