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Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay
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Posted on 07/18/2002 3:10:53 PM PDT by narses

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To: Catholicguy
Do you have a link to a nationwide list of those Parishes which celebrate [the Anglican Use of the Roman Rite of the Mass]?

Sure do!

241 posted on 07/22/2002 10:11:26 AM PDT by B-Chan
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To: Polycarp
The offending priest has had all his faculties removed.

Ouch --- That's got to hurt but good news all the same.

242 posted on 07/22/2002 10:16:43 AM PDT by cebadams
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To: Polycarp
David Brown, who screens our seminarians, has publicly stated that reparative therapy for homosexuals is bogus.

David Brown is in denial and is also heterophobic. He's got a strong gay agenda that rationalizes and denies the truth. Because of this, he should be barred from every diocese.

He should read the 250 success cases of Dr. Joseph Nicolosi that are re-discovering their heterosexuality.

243 posted on 07/22/2002 10:33:52 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: B-Chan
Bless you
244 posted on 07/22/2002 10:45:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Polycarp
Thank you Polycarp for letting us all know of these answered prayers.
245 posted on 07/22/2002 11:18:17 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: sitetest; Siobhan; patent; eastsider; nickcarraway; narses; american colleen; sinkspur; livius; ...
Just FYI, if you're completely puzzled about this exchange and the roots of the differences of opinion between TCRNews.com and myself:

TCRNews.com first posted a link to one of my articles in the fall of 2000, America Magazine Spreads Disinformation About Church's Position On Condom Use from the The Wanderer, September 28, 2000. I had visited TCRNews.com intermittently before this, and was pleasantly surprised to see this unsolicited link. I emailed TCRNews.com, told them I liked their site, and that I appreciated their link to my article. They asked me to submit further materials.

They subsequently posted two other articles I wrote, Homosexual Behavior Increases Risk of AIDS and Third World Poverty: Contraceptive Imperialism versus Gospel of Life. These articles are still posted on TCRNews.com.

Subsequently, my friend Brian at www.diocesereport.com posted a couple of my articles, including Catholic Activism--Is it Worth It? from the The Wanderer of 3-15-2001, pages 1, 8, and Of Medicine, Magic, and Original Sin From The Wanderer Issue Date of 3-8-2001

What I did not know is that TCRNews.com considers The Diocese Report to be mortal enemies of the Church and JPII because they occasionally link articles from traditionalist websites.

Therefore TCRNews.com banned me from the website (though in reality I told them that if they were telling me I had to "choose" between TCRNews.com, and my close personal friend at The Diocese Report, I would be forced to choose the latter, even though in their judgement the latter is a schismatic traditionalist integrist, the worst of the enemies of all that is good and honorable among men of good will. (/sarcasm)

So with this perceived snub I became persona non grata with TCRNews.com, and I was instantly branded an integrist extreme trad and enemy of the Church and our Holy Father JPII (though to this day I belong to and attend a Novus Ordo parish, where I teach high school CCD, and my son is soon to serve as an altar boy.)

Finally, what entrenched this embittered rivalry was my investigation of a Catholic university TCRNews.com considered beyond reproach for a problem in their graduate allied health program, where a student thought she was being persecuted by non-Catholic allied health professors for her staunch pro-life views.

Unfortunately this student was represented in her case against the University by a Catholic lawyer who is also a cornerstone of the schismatic traditionalist writers/speakers circuit.

This "association" in the mind of TCRNews.com permanently sealed my state in their opinion among the integrist extreme traditionalists (even though I've never met or corresponded with this lawyer, and the case was settled out of court in the students favor, and the University cleaned up its act as a reslut of our investigation.) Finally, TCRNews.com also had a falling out with The Wanderer newspaper for whom I was still occasionally writing (noticing a pattern here???)

That is pretty much the entire story. And thus I now rank among the stated enemies of TCRNews.com, and by extension against all that is good and decent among men of good will, and they hound me on the Forum as a result and malign my good name, which I simply refuse to tolerate.

"Cathway" and "StillSmallVoice," I believe, are both the same FReeper, and "EditorTCRNews.com" and "theotokos," I believe, are both the same FReeper.

The only thing I have not proven is whether "Cathway"/"StillSmallVoice," and "EditorTCRNews.com"/"theotokos" are two different people or just 4 screen names for the same TCRNews.com staffer. I think at a minimum "theotokos" was banned at least in part for having multiple screen names, in violation of FR policy.

246 posted on 07/22/2002 11:23:34 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
This is not TCRNews.com.

I am not familiar with them. Who are they?

247 posted on 07/22/2002 11:26:27 AM PDT by Zviadist
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To: ELS
"Let's pray a rosary (to the real Theotokos) for him/her."

Great idea...will start now. (Amazed at the length of this thread now)
248 posted on 07/22/2002 11:28:02 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Zviadist
Steven Hand, outspoken critic of the integrist extreme trad right, owns and operates TCRNews.com. Surely you've heard of him? He wrote the 7 part series in the Wanderer about all the errors of the integrists/traditionalists.
249 posted on 07/22/2002 11:28:22 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
This "association" in the mind of TCRNews.com permanently sealed my state in their opinion among the integrist extreme traditionalists

[snip]

Finally, TCRNews.com also had a falling out with The Wanderer newspaper for whom I was still occasionally writing (noticing a pattern here???)

Well, Doctor, let me see ... Where's my copy of Practica inquisitionis heretice pravitatis ...
250 posted on 07/22/2002 11:36:30 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Zviadist
By the way, this is the same TCRNews.com, self proclaimed defender of the Pope, Holy Mother Church, and all things good and decent bar none, who wrote this op-ed at the same time Pope JPII was stating that celibacy was not to be discussed as a subject open to change:

Has the Time Come to Consider Making Celibacy Truly Optional In the Western Church?

251 posted on 07/22/2002 11:41:07 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: ThomasMore
He's got a strong gay agenda that rationalizes and denies the truth.

Which, unfortunately, makes him a perfect candidate for employment in this diocese.

252 posted on 07/22/2002 11:48:07 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Egads, what an interesting and tangled web. Of course, since I posted a couple of articles from the Diocese Report (a great website imho) I must be you!
253 posted on 07/22/2002 12:49:51 PM PDT by narses
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the explanation. I must admit I have a lot of trouble sorting everybody out. I do wish, however, that traditionalists would stop going for the jugular on other traditionalists, and would focus their attention on those people in the Church who really are evil (yes, I think there are some) and are out to destroy the Church.

The situation with SSPX and others will be worked out in good time. It would probably be worked out faster if everybody would lower the rhetoric level a bit. Why shed the blood of people who are basically on the same side?
254 posted on 07/22/2002 2:12:10 PM PDT by livius
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To: Polycarp
He wrote the 7 part series in the Wanderer about all the errors of the integrists/traditionalists.

Oh yeah. I have heard of that creep. Insane and hateful.

255 posted on 07/22/2002 2:21:14 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: livius
I do wish, however, that traditionalists would stop going for the jugular on other traditionalists, and would focus their attention on those people in the Church who really are evil

Amen.

256 posted on 07/22/2002 3:22:34 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp,

Thanks for the history.

I kinda like Diocese Report. I think it presents an interesting amalgamation of information. I don't like everything I find linked through it, or everything said on it, but there's a lot of stuff of real interest.

I suppose by these standards, I'm an extreme traditionalist.

I guess I better go learn some Latin. ;-)

sitetest

257 posted on 07/22/2002 3:25:55 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: Zviadist
I have heard of that creep. Insane and hateful.

In charity, in his defense, I must point out that he has done some excellent work with his website, and some things he has written have been written well, with keen intellect and insight. I would never have allowed him to post any of my own writings on his site if there were no merit to his work.

But he has too much subjective involvement regarding traditionalism, having once been an integrist himself, and when he debates he paints anyone who disagrees with him as an integrist, extreme trad, or enemy of the Holy Father. That is bad form, uncharitable, and frankly psychologically unstable.

258 posted on 07/22/2002 3:29:08 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: sitetest
I suppose by these standards, I'm an extreme traditionalist.

Its an elite club. Welcome. But you don't get to learn the secret handshake until you reach the 13th degree.


259 posted on 07/22/2002 3:32:02 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Dear Polycarp,

Oh, is that it? I was wondering why I felt so left out.

sitetest
(really, really, I really am sitetest)

260 posted on 07/22/2002 3:34:09 PM PDT by sitetest
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