[zadok]

I don't think the arminians quite understand the serious gravity of sin nor the extent of it's effect on mankind.

They think God "owes" everyone a chance at salvation.

[xzins]

I don't think the arminians quite understand the serious gravity of sin nor the extent of it's effect on mankind. They think God "owes" everyone a chance at salvation.

Actually, that doesn't characterize what I believe at all. I believe in an unlimited atonement because I believe the Bible teaches it in verse after verse after verse.... There are many calvinists who believe in an unlimited atonement. Taking the "L" out of tulip makes calvinism more difficult to justify biblically, but apparently it doesn't make it impossible.

It is counter to Christianity to permit one's logic to prevail over a literal interpretation of the Bible.

For God so loved... the WORLD.... that he gave his only begotten Son...

[zadok]

God doesn't owe anyone anything!

God certainly doesn't owe me anything. I owe Him.

I have sinned against Him.

I have personally broken EVERY SINGLE COMMANDMENT of God MULTIPLE TIMES.

I am not proud of that fact, but it is true.

I owe the Eternally Just and Holy Creator a debt that I can never repay.

Come Judgement Day, if the Father sees fit to burn me in hell, He would be completely justified in doing so.

Don't get me wrong, I don't WANT to go to hell, but I know I deserve it.

If asked to answer for myself, I could only beg for mercy.

I have no excuse for my actions. I am guilty as charged.

[Jerry_M]

"I don't think the arminians quite understand the serious gravity of sin nor the extent of it's effect on mankind."

"Quite understand"? How about, "don't understand"?

In the past two years I have seen the non-Calvinist crowd go absolutely ape in their denunciation of:

Total Depravity;
Unconditional Election;
Limited Atonement;
Irresistable Grace; and
Perseverence of the Saints.

In other words, there is not one single point of agreement between us and them. There is the Gospel, and there is everything else. The lines are carefully drawn.