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To: zadok; fortheDeclaration
While the entire letter is certainly part of the context of 2 Peter 3:9, the first rule of context is the verses which are around (in proximity to) the verse in question.

7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[1]

I'm not a Calvinist, Zadok, but the verse above says, "Not want anyone to perish."

Now, if calvinism is true, which of those who have been predestined from the foundation of the world is God concerned will be lost in OPPOSITION TO his decree?

Are any of the predestined from the foundation of the world going to be lost? Is it possible for them to be lost?

48 posted on 07/20/2002 4:58:27 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
"the first rule of context is the verses which are around (in proximity to) the verse in question. "

And why can't you seem to follow the context of the verses surrounding the verse in question?

2:8 is addressed to the "dear friends".

Who are the dear friends to whom Peter is speaking?

They are the BELOVED referred to in 2 Peter 3:1

Who are the BELOVED referred to in 2 Peter 3:1?

2 Peter 1:1 tells us who they are... "Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ"

You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills xzins.

"Now, if calvinism is true, which of those who have been predestined from the foundation of the world is God concerned will be lost in OPPOSITION TO his decree?"

What?

God is NOT concerned that ANY who have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, will be lost.

2 Peter 3:9 says "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

"Are any of the predestined from the foundation of the world going to be lost? Is it possible for them to be lost?"

No, God is not willing that ANY of His elect will be lost. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is sufficient to pay for all of their sins, it is impossible for them to be lost.

51 posted on 07/20/2002 5:28:02 PM PDT by zadok
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To: xzins
While the entire letter is certainly part of the context of 2 Peter 3:9, the first rule of context is the verses which are around (in proximity to) the verse in question. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[1] I'm not a Calvinist, Zadok, but the verse above says, "Not want anyone to perish." Now, if calvinism is true, which of those who have been predestined from the foundation of the world is God concerned will be lost in OPPOSITION TO his decree? Are any of the predestined from the foundation of the world going to be lost? Is it possible for them to be lost?

Amen!

Isn't it a bit ironic that we have to defend Calvin from the Calvinists!

92 posted on 07/21/2002 3:46:12 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: xzins
patient with "YOU."....I.E..BELIEVERS, ELECT. Context is still limited to Christians.
171 posted on 07/21/2002 11:34:37 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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