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Did Communists Infiltrate the Catholic Church?
http://www.chuckmorse.com/communism_catholic_church.html ^ | Chuck Morse

Posted on 07/26/2002 2:35:57 PM PDT by narses

As a traditional Jew, I'm deeply concerned over the plight of the Roman Catholic Church, which I consider to be the largest and most influential repository of conservative Judeo-Christian values in America today. I believe that those of us who care about the furtherance of a moral society have a stake in the future of the church as a moral force. The American church is under siege today, not only from the usual external forces but also from the weight of its own internal contradictions. The scandal of corrupt homosexual priests violating the innocence of minors in their care is, to put it mildly, a contradiction in Christian and Catholic practice and faith. When did this corruption inject itself into the system and why was the situation allowed to deteriorate to such a degree?

Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to "bore from within" which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of "change" can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood. Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future "you will not recognize the Catholic Church," Dodd also asserted that:

"In the 1930's, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within."

"Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism."

Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of "Color, Communism and Common Sense" testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

"Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself. The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations."

As a radio talk show host and avid listener to talk radio in Boston, I've listened intently to comments by Catholics as the crisis has unfolded. Much has been said regarding the left dominance of the seminaries and a prevalence of the ideas of "liberation theology" which is a biblically contradictory Trojan horse within the Catholic gates. Establishment organs, such as the Boston Globe, continue to wring their hands over the homosexual activities of priests while supporting a homosexual agenda everywhere else. Hopefully, the Catholic flock will wake up and sweep the corruption out of their church in the same way that their founder, Jesus of Nazareth, swept the moneychangers out of the Temple.

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To: saradippity
LOL
251 posted on 07/30/2002 1:46:05 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: american colleen
Thanks for the generous response. Just seeing your name reminded me I had been less than Christian with you also. My apologies.

I am afraid this thread will begin to approach the length of the neverending thread if I extend to each individually the apologoies I no doubt owe.

I know that General Absolution is forbidden unless there are dire emergencies, but, I don't know of any prohibition against general apologies so....

I apologise..and you know who you are out there :)

Don't expect miracles. Keep me on my toes. Fighting is my addiction.
252 posted on 07/30/2002 1:52:58 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: sitetest
Yes, I hope not, too! But I think there are a lot of people who want just that.
253 posted on 07/30/2002 5:17:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: saradippity
Just a quick reminder that your belief regarding infiltration is not unfounded.
254 posted on 12/11/2002 8:53:25 AM PST by narses
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To: sinkspur
<> Bingo<>
255 posted on 12/11/2002 10:01:04 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: RobbyS
<> Far more dedicated were the secular leaders of the antiGod State Russia/Soviet Union. That Satanic State collapsed.

THe Catholic Church has been made a promise by Jesus - it will not collapse.

Mebbe it is just me, but I think it odd to speculate about Commies long after the soviet Union collapsed. Are they even more powerful after haiving been defeated?

I agree with Sardippity - they were one piece of a puzzle; and I agree with Polycarp..I dont think that A-22 (or whatever it was) book is genuine<>

256 posted on 12/11/2002 10:10:08 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Loyalist
We may never know to what extent Vatican II was influenced by, if not actually planned, the Kremlin. PLease tell me you are kidding....<>
257 posted on 12/11/2002 10:16:28 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
The Council was not planned in minute detail by the Kremlin.

But neither can the possibility of Communist infiltration of the Church be dismissed out of hand. The Soviets put great effort into infiltrating just about every other institution in the free world, with varying degrees of success.

The notion that Western security services could be thoroughly compromised by Soviet agents was considered laughable. Yet the Cambridge ring, Otto John, Aldrich Ames & Robert Hanssen show otherwise.

Many of Joseph McCarthy's supposedly most baseless accusations have also been proven to be quite well-founded.

You can't tell me that every priest behind the Iron Curtain was so pure as not to consider turning informant to save his skin.

You also can't tell me that the Communists would not regard the world's most powerful religious organization as being of so little consequence as not to bother infiltrating.
258 posted on 12/11/2002 10:59:19 AM PST by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
The Council was not planned in minute detail by the Kremlin.

<> Does that mean you believe that calling the Second Vatcian Council was the idea of the Communists?<>

259 posted on 12/11/2002 11:03:30 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Loyalist
Dear Loyalist,

"The Council was not planned in minute detail by the Kremlin."

"But neither can the possibility of Communist infiltration of the Church be dismissed out of hand."

"The notion that Western security services could be thoroughly compromised by Soviet agents was considered laughable."

I hadn't realized that Western security services had been promised the Divine protection of the Holy Spirit.


sitetest
260 posted on 12/11/2002 11:11:11 AM PST by sitetest
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To: Catholicguy
It wasn't their idea, but I don't think they were unhappy with the aftermath.

The KGB would have been remiss had it not been following the Council's events, whether through the eyes of some periti or the Orthodox Church observers.
261 posted on 12/11/2002 11:12:43 AM PST by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
It wasn't their idea, but I don't think they were unhappy with the aftermath.

<> I think they were. I have read more than one traditionalist/conervative (at lesst one on these threads" credit Gaudium et Spes with helping to defeat Communism<>

The KGB would have been remiss had it not been following the Council's events, whether through the eyes of some periti or the Orthodox Church observers.

<> Let's not forget the protestant observers :)<>

262 posted on 12/11/2002 11:42:55 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Modern socialists share a great deal with the Communists--that is, the Leninists. They represent the Menshevik branch of the Party, the part that sought accomodation with western democracy without giving up its hostility to capitalism--or to religion. One thing they retain is an idolotry to the state. They think that everything can be reduced to political terms and every political one to economics/classwarfare. Right now they are wrecking Germany, holding their electoral majority with the votes of the Ossies who find it so hard to fit into a capitalist society. They are sucking as much milk as they can out of the capitalist cow, passing money on to the hapless victims of the old Communist system. They goof thing for us that this prevents a German expansion into the east, leaving the area open to American influence.
263 posted on 12/11/2002 4:23:34 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
One thing they retain is an idolotry to the state. They think that everything can be reduced to political terms and every political one to economics/classwarfare.

<> That was an excellent post. Your point I selected out is a good description of the influential ones in my generation (Talking 'bout my generation). We are like a brick passing through the kidney of America<>

264 posted on 12/12/2002 5:22:08 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: narses
Catholic Charities is an organization that does not support arguments that there's NOT a communist influence in the church.
265 posted on 12/23/2002 12:22:43 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: narses
The Lucis Trust and the United Nations seem very innocuous on the front but their agenda is the ruination of souls and the conversion of the world.

The Lucis Trust is on WOR radio, New York, New York City's 2nd-Largest AM Radio Station WOR Radio 710 AM on you dial every Sunday from 7 am - 8 am. I happened to stumble on it one morning and have been researching it for a few weeks now. New Age and Satan Worship.

Here are some links

http://www.lucistrust.org/arcane/nasymb.shtml

http://www.oneworld.ru/lucis-rus/lucispub/

Teaching God's children to worship "Divine Nature"
http://getusout.org/un/articles/essay.htm

The Earth Charter
http://getusout.org/earthcharter/

http://getusout.org/earthcharter/index.htm

UNESCO: A Budding Global School Board
http://getusout.org/un/articles/unesco.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/newworldreligion.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/earth_charter/index.htm


Rebutting Rockefeller
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/11-04-2002/vo18no22_rockefeller.htm

http://getusout.org/earthworship/index.htm

http://getusout.org/un/articles/rockford_ark.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/12-16-2002/vo18no25_ark.htm

The European Union's Stealth Attack on Religion
http://thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-31-2000/insider/vo16no16_eu.htm

http://thenewamerican.com/focus/religion/index.htm ____________________________________________________

The Church is against Communism and Socialism, Make sure the socialists do not take over; they are working from within the church and are part of the media and will stop at nothing from destroying the Church.
 
QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO Xlll ON SOCIALISM
DECEMBER 28, 1878
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13apost.htm
 
NOSTIS ET NOBISCUM
ON THE CHURCH IN THE PONTIFICAL STATES
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS IX
DECEMBER 8, 1849
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9nostis.htm
 
QUADRAGESIMO ANNO
ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS Xl MAY 15, 1931
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM
 
GRAVES DE COMMUNI RE
Encyclical of Pope leo XIII on Christian Democracy
January 18, 1901
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13grcom.htm
 
MATER ET MAGISTRA
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE JOHN XXIII ON MAY 15, 1961
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/John23/j23mater.htm
 
Part of the 45 Goals of Communism
 
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
 
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
 
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
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Lucis Trust - The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations
UN Logo

33 Segments surrounded by sprigs of acacia
'Welcome to the United Nations. It's your World'...

By, Atrayu

The Spiritual Foundation of the United Nations

The Lucis Trust

UN Meditation Room The Lucis Trust is the Publishing House which prints and disseminates United Nations material. It is a devastating indictment of the New Age and Pagan nature of the UN. Lucis Trust was established in 1922 as Lucifer Trust by Alice Bailey as the publishing company to disseminate the books of Bailey and Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. The title page of Alice Bailey's book, 'Initiation, Human and Solar' was originally printed in 1922, and clearly shows the publishing house as 'Lucifer Publishing CoIn 1923. Bailey changed the name to Lucis Trust, because Lucifer Trust revealed the true nature of the New Age Movement too clearly. (Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, p. 49). A quick trip to any New Age bookstore will reveal that many of the hard-core New Age books are published by Lucis Trust.

At one time, the Lucis Trust office in New York was located at 866 United Nations Plaza and is a member of the Economic and Social Council of the United Nations under a slick program called "World Goodwill". In an Alice Bailey book called "Education for a New Age"; she suggests that in the new age "World Citizenship should be the goal of the enlightened, with a world federation and a world brain." In other words - a One World Government New World Order.

Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara, former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int., Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF.

The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the UN, a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this unfoldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol. II, p.35.]

Although she did not spell out clearly the identity of these 'three occult factors', she did reveal to her students that "Within the United Nations is the germ and seed of a great international and meditating, reflective group - a group of thinking and informed men and women in whose hands lies the destiny of humanity. This is largely under the control of many fourth ray disciples, if you could but realise it, and their point of meditative focus is the intuitional or Buddhic plane - the plane upon which all hierarchical activity is today to be found'. [Ibid. p.220.]

To this end, the Lucis Trust, under the leadership of Foster and Alice Bailey, started a group called 'World Goodwill' - an official non-governmental organization within the United Nations. The stated aim of this group is "to cooperate in the world of preparation for the reappearance of the Christ" [One Earth, the magazine of the Findhorn Foundation, October/November 1986, Vol. 6, Issue 6, p.24.]

But the esoteric work inside the UN does not stop with such recognized occult groupings. Much of the impetus for this process was initiated through the officership of two Secretary-Generals of the UN, Dag Hammarskjöld (held office: 1953-1961) and U Thant (held office: 1961-1971) who succeeded him, and one Assistant Secretary-general, Dr. Robert Muller. In a book written to celebrate the philosophy of Teilhard de Chardin (and edited by Robert Muller), it is revealed "Dag Hammarskjöld, the rational Nordic economist, had ended up as a mystic. He too held at the end of his life that spirituality was the ultimate key to our earthly fate in time and space". [Robert Muller (ed.), The Desire to be Human: A Global Reconnaissance of Human Perspectives in an Age of Transformation (Miranana, 1983), p.304.]

Sri Chinmoy, the New Age guru, meditation leader at the UN, wrote: "the United Nations is the chosen instrument of God; to be a chosen instrument means to be a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation."

William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the UN: "...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism".

http://www.lucistrust.org

You can find out much more about them and how they're involved with the work of the United Nations by following their link "World Goodwill" at the top of their home page.


The Aquarian Age Community

http://www.aquaac.org/

This Website is sponsored by the United Nations and the whole NWO philosophy is there. The page which explains the work of the Aquarian Age Community, as they call themselves, has this proud quote at the header of their page at http://www.aquaac.org/about/about.html

Such a grandeur is ahead!
Such a great step awaits a fiery affirmation.
Our teaching and the affirmation of the Higher
Principles will reveal so much that is great to humanity!
A great period is drawing near: Thus we do create together.

Fiery World
Vol. III, par. 149

Amongst the many 'enlightening' pages in this website, you can easily find 'fascinating' articles entitled:

"The New World Order and the Work of the UN" http://www.aquaac.org/un/nwo.html

"The World Spiritual Teacher, the Esoteric Community and the United Nations" http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/rttop.html

Preparing the Way for the Reappearance of the World Spiritual Teacher, the Work of the United Nations and the World-Wide Esoteric Community

http://www.aquaac.org/meetings/RT2001.html and many more articles.

This is not Christian theology but New Age paganism. You can also read the NWO quotes I posted, further down this page. Here's another by Curtis Dall, FD Roosevelt's son in law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father in Law:

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations One World Money group... Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support.

The UN is but a long range, international banking apparatus nearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One World Revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power.

The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market... The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."

 

Under the U.N. Gavel
By Sen. Larry E. Craig, R-ID 

At its founding, the mission of the United Nations, as stated in its charter, was "to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war." It made no claim to supersede the sovereignty of its member states. Article 2 says that the United Nations "is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members," and it may not "intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state."

Since then, the United Nations has turned the principle of national sovereignty on its head. Through a host of conventions, treaties and conferences, it has intruded into regulation of resources and the economy (for example, treaties on "biological diversity," marine resources and climate change) and family life (hyping phoney liberalism while masculinity is scorned and western manhood is amputated - causing untold grief to the family unit) (conventions on parent-child relations and women in society). It has demanded that countries institute racial quotas and laws against hate crimes and speech (while the U.N. itself can jail someone for 30 years without trial). Recently the United Nations tried to undermine Americans' constitutional right to keep and bear arms (with proposed restrictions on the international sale of small arms).

Fortunately, many of these have been dead on arrival in the U.S. Senate, successive presidents have refused to endorse others, and in any case the United Nations had little power of enforcement. But in 1998, one mechanism of global government (there it is in the Washington Post folks) came to life with the so-called "Rome Statute" establishing a permanent International Criminal Court (and abolishing the Magna Carta in Britain). Once this treaty is ratified by 60 countries, the United Nations will wield judicial power over every individual human being -- even over citizens of countries that haven't joined the court.

While the court's stated mission is dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity (what about their own crimes against humanity when they committed widespread genocide in the Balkans and East Timor? Dare I say they are hypocrites?) -- which, because there is no appeal from its decisions, only the court will have the right to define -- its mandate could be broadened later. Based on existing U.N. tribunals for Yugoslavia and Rwanda, which are models for the International Criminal Court, defendants will have none of the due process rights afforded by the U.S. Constitution, such as trial by jury, confrontation of witnesses or a speedy and public trial (that's a communist court system!).

President Clinton signed the Rome treaty last year, citing U.S. support for existing U.N. war crimes tribunals. Many suppose the court will target only a Slobodan Milosevic or the perpetrators of massacres in Rwanda, or dictators like Iraq's Saddam Hussein. But who knows? To some people, Augusto Pinochet is the man who saved Chile from communism; to others he is a murderer. Who should judge him -- the United Nations or the Chilean people?

In dozens of countries, governments use brutal force against insurgents. Should the United Nations decide whether leaders in Turkey or India should be put in the defendants' dock, and then commit the United States to bring them there? How about Russia's Vladimir Putin, for Chechnya? Or Israel's Ariel Sharon? Can we trust the United Nations with that decision (the more evil these premieres are - the more the U.N. loves them)?

The court's critics rightly cite the danger to U.S. military personnel deployed abroad. Since even one death can be a war crime, a U.S. soldier could be indicted just for doing his duty. But the International Criminal Court also would apply to acts "committed" by any American here at home. The European Union and U.S. domestic opponents consider the death penalty "discriminatory" and "inhumane." Could an American governor face indictment by the court for "crimes against humanity" for signing a death warrant?

Milosevic was delivered to a U.N. court (largely at U.S. insistence) for offences occurring entirely within his own country. Some say the Milosevic precedent doesn't threaten Americans, because the U.S. Constitution protects them. But for Milosevic, we demanded that the Yugoslav Constitution be trashed and the United Nations' authority prevail. Why should the International Criminal Court treat our Constitution any better (they're already destroying the 2nd amendment with their gun grab and the 1st with their phoney 'hate crime' nonsense)?

Instead of trying to "fix" the Rome treaty, the United States must recognize that it is a fundamental threat to American sovereignty. The State Department's participation in the court's preparatory commission is counterproductive. We need to make it clear that we consider the court an illegitimate body, that the United States will never join it and that we will never accept its "jurisdiction" over any U.S. citizen or help to impose it on other countries.

266 posted on 03/02/2003 8:19:55 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Ping.
267 posted on 05/09/2003 7:42:19 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
I read a book on this very subject about 9 years ago. It was a warning about this very thing. Can't remember the name of it. It was written in the 70's I believe.
268 posted on 05/10/2003 7:37:02 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: narses
Here's a link to another article on the subject: LINK

You can find the link on the front of my website

269 posted on 05/10/2003 9:39:18 AM PDT by redhead (Les Franšais sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: Siobhan
"Look to the Nashville Dominicans (of St. Cecilia) for a wonderful teaching order. And then there is Mother Assumpta Long's new foundation They are teaching orders worth cheering about!"

Don't forget to mention the work that Mother Angelica's priests are doing. Their mission is spreading the Gospel by television and radio. Franciscan Friars of the Eternal Word, I believe is the name of their order.

270 posted on 05/10/2003 9:42:20 AM PDT by redhead (Les Franšais sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: Litany
"Thomas Merton, whose writings I detest, was a Communist prior to his conversion to Catholicism. Now I am wondering if he was really part of the plot described here. It would not surprise me at all. For some reason I could never fathom, he is held in great esteem by the post Vatican II Church. And he was a great buddy of.... none other than our infamous Milwaukee archbishop Weakland."

Even years ago when his stuff was really popular with progressive Catholics, I could never get excited about it. As the Fundamentalist friends I had at the time would say, "I felt a check in my spirit." He just felt PHONY. He could have been, and probably was "sincere," but what he wrote wasn't what the Church was teaching, and green as I was at the time, I could see that.

271 posted on 05/10/2003 9:45:30 AM PDT by redhead (Les Franšais sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: Litany
"I think Weakland found his body...they were at some conference in Asia when Merton died. (It's been a long time since I read Seven Story Mountain, and other Merton related items)"

If I remember correctly, Merton died in a monastery in Tibet (of whatever persuasion...). Apparently, a room fan fell into his bath water and electrocuted him. (At least, that's the story I got.) Very interesting...

272 posted on 05/10/2003 9:49:20 AM PDT by redhead (Les Franšais sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: narses
I highly recommend "Windswept House" and the other works of Malachi Martin (RIP).

First thing on my list coming to mind on this topic was AA1025, a must-read, but Polycarp already covered it far better than I could have done.
273 posted on 05/11/2003 6:10:17 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Kyrie eleison)
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To: narses
I would say the Communists infiltrated the Church, as they did a lot of institutions. I don't see why the Church would be spared.
274 posted on 05/11/2003 7:30:26 AM PDT by Conservative til I die (They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Ping One.
275 posted on 06/29/2003 4:42:42 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: redhead; Litany
Wasn't it Weakland who discovered Merton's body, after he met with that fatal "accident"?

When I read a biography of Thomas Merton, I was very struck by several things - his closeness to the political activists of the 1960s, some of whom had links to several intelligence communities - his links to the Buddhist community, which might have merely been an interest on his part, but which also again links to the international Communist movement in South East Asia - and Merton's strange and sudden death. The accident which killed him looked exactly like the means used by various agencies to put people out of the way.
276 posted on 06/29/2003 5:20:08 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
Dr. Alice Von Hildebrand wrote an article which was published in "Latin Mass" magazine. I tend to believe Dr. Von Hildebrand. She is very wise. The gist of the article was that there was VERY good evidence (she named several names) that infiltration of some kind had in fact occurred in Rome, and that many of today's higher prelates were either these agents-in-place or their doctrinal heirs. I'll try to find the magazine and give you more details. Sorry this is so vague.
277 posted on 06/29/2003 6:51:08 PM PDT by redhead
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To: BlackVeil; Litany; narses; Conservative til I die
Here is the link to the article by Dr. Von Hildebrand. Hope this helps.
278 posted on 06/29/2003 6:57:11 PM PDT by redhead
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To: dsc
Ping.
279 posted on 08/25/2003 6:27:59 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: St.Chuck
This thread kind of gives you access,through the dialogue and some of the links,to almost all the information I could pass on to you.

There were several men,Hyde and Douglas,I bellieve,who testified about the placement of communist in seminaries before the House UnAmerican Activities Committee.

My interest started back in the 60's,when I was writing some papers for Sociology classes and chose guerrilla warfare for the topic. My husband had just been killed in Viet Nam and I was researching quite a few related things.

I came across much info aboutthe Church being infiltrated but I thought things were pretty fine in the Church and didn't really focus on it too much since it was not my focus at the time.

By the eighties,it was clear the Church was in trouble and now I am convinced the problems were attributable to an admixture of evils,comminist infiltration being just one facet.

Anyway,I hope this gives you some food for thought.

280 posted on 03/25/2004 10:32:58 AM PST by saradippity
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To: narses
Well there's more to worry about than communists in the church - they are like ghosts and witches under the bed. Very scarry until you go to sleep and ignore them.

If you REALLY want to lose sleep over the fate of Christianity contemplate the Sacrament of Confusion as promulgated by the Masons. There are more masonic officials in the Vatican than you care to know about. Pope Pius X was the replacement pope for a bona fide masonic pope - the goal of the masons since they began was to gut the church from the inside.

Remember - it's their goal to take the Christ out of Christianity.

As told in the gospel of Thomas, "Let them who would search, find and be disappointed">>>>

281 posted on 03/25/2004 11:49:51 AM PST by Podkayne
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To: saradippity; Catholicguy
Thanks for the link to this thread. I read through it and didn't discover anything that would compel me to give any validity the communist infiltration theory.

I did, however, enjoy reading Catholicguy's posts. I think he spoke for me on this one.

282 posted on 03/26/2004 8:07:55 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: redhead; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Ping.
283 posted on 04/19/2004 6:59:02 PM PDT by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Catholic Ping list, please email me. +)
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To: barbcsr
ping!
284 posted on 04/19/2004 7:25:28 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." M.G.)
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To: Coleus
great post, worth it's own thread..
285 posted on 04/19/2004 8:07:05 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Yea, maybe I should, It's on my homepage. So, what made you go on this thread?
286 posted on 04/19/2004 9:25:41 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus
A catholic was complaining about something to do with communism and catholics on a non-related thread. Then I saw this while looking at the sidebar.
287 posted on 04/19/2004 9:30:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
The communists will stop at nothing to destroy the largest institution in the world, the Catholic Church. Many of the popes warned us against it's evil concepts.

It's too bad so many communists infiltrated the holy priesthood, a well-planned action to bring down the church.
288 posted on 04/19/2004 9:37:35 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus
You should really make a post of the thing about the UN and the writing under it. Ping me.

At work I just had mandatory shipping training for blood and other body fluid samples. Guess who wrote the rules? The UN.

289 posted on 04/19/2004 10:53:14 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Litany
Thomas Merton…wondering if he was really part of the plot…"

If he was part of a communist plot, he did a lousy job in my direction. His writing was a strong influence in my joining the Church.

290 posted on 04/19/2004 11:38:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (^_^)
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To: livius
Obviously, the Communists per se are long gone.

That would come as a great shock to the CPUSA and its newspaper, the Daily Worker, still published.

If you mean Commies who run around with a neon sign on their coats--true, only a few of them are out there.

But infiltration 101 typically precludes wearing a sign.

291 posted on 04/20/2004 5:15:13 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Loyalist
which conspiracy theory best explains the current state of the Church.

Satan.

292 posted on 04/20/2004 5:19:07 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: All
The classic refutation of Communism and Socialism in Catholic social thought (way too long to post in its entirity):

http://www.tfp.org/what_we_think/message/message_section1.htm
293 posted on 04/20/2004 5:50:46 AM PDT by kjvail
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To: Domestic Church
PopCon also included GHWBush's wife, & Nixon.
294 posted on 04/20/2004 6:48:23 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Catholicguy
In the early Church one was FORBIDDEN to kneel at Mass

You have documentation?

295 posted on 04/20/2004 6:50:16 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Catholicguy
FORASMUCH as there are certain persons who kneel on the Lord's Day and in the days of Pentecost, therefore, to the intent that all things may be uniformly observed everywhere(in every parish), it seems good to the holy Synod that prayer be made to God standing.

HAMMOND: Although kneeling was the common posture for prayer in the primitive Church, yet the custom had prevailed, even from the earliest times, of standing at prayer on the Lord's day, and during the fifty days between Easter and Pentecost. Tertullian, in a passage in his treatise De Corona Militis, which is often quoted, mentions it amongst other ohservances which, though not expressly commanded in Scripture, yet were universally practised upon the authority of tradition. "We consider it unlawful," he says, "to fast, or to pray kneeling, upon the Lord's day; we enjoy the same liberty from Easter-day to that of Pentecost." De Cor. Mil. s. 3, 4. Many other of the Fathers notice the same practice, the reason of which, as given by Augustine; and others, was to commemorate the resurrection of our Lord, and to signify the rest and joy of our own resurrection, which that of our Lord assured. This canon, as Beveridge observes, is a proof of the importance formerly attached to an uniformity of sacred rites throughout the Church, which made the Nicene Fathers thus sanction and enforce by their authority a practice which in itself is indifferent, and not commanded directly or indirectly in Scripture, and assign this as their reason for doing so: "In order that all things may be observed in like manner in every parish" or diocese.

HEFELE: All the churches did not, however, adopt this practice; for we see in the Acts of the Apostles(xx. 36 and xxi. 5) that St. Paul prayed kneeling during the time between Pentecost and Easter. This canon is found in the Corpus Juris Canonici. Decretum, Pars III, De Cone. Dist. III. c.

x.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt

Well, perhaps.

The Canon is cited in its entirety, along with commentary--names of commentators are in caps.

Clearly, although Nicea decided that "for uniformity" standing was preferable (thus enjoined,) the practice was sanctioned by such as St. Paul.

Evidently many followed the practice of kneeling, (some regardless of Nicea's command) and the practice returned.

We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

296 posted on 04/20/2004 7:13:04 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

I don't think so. In fact, Liturgical History and Church architecture teaches us the opposite. When were kneelers first installed in Churches and was the imposition of kneeling as mandatory readily accepted by the Christian Comunity?

297 posted on 04/25/2004 10:04:14 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Catholicguy
Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies.
298 posted on 04/25/2004 10:11:56 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies

LOL. Nicea wasn't part of the Sensus Fidelium ?

299 posted on 04/25/2004 10:36:31 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: ninenot
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06423a.htm
300 posted on 04/25/2004 11:28:37 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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