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Did Communists Infiltrate the Catholic Church?
http://www.chuckmorse.com/communism_catholic_church.html ^ | Chuck Morse

Posted on 07/26/2002 2:35:57 PM PDT by narses

As a traditional Jew, I'm deeply concerned over the plight of the Roman Catholic Church, which I consider to be the largest and most influential repository of conservative Judeo-Christian values in America today. I believe that those of us who care about the furtherance of a moral society have a stake in the future of the church as a moral force. The American church is under siege today, not only from the usual external forces but also from the weight of its own internal contradictions. The scandal of corrupt homosexual priests violating the innocence of minors in their care is, to put it mildly, a contradiction in Christian and Catholic practice and faith. When did this corruption inject itself into the system and why was the situation allowed to deteriorate to such a degree?

Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to "bore from within" which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of "change" can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood. Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future "you will not recognize the Catholic Church," Dodd also asserted that:

"In the 1930's, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within."

"Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism."

Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of "Color, Communism and Common Sense" testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

"Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself. The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations."

As a radio talk show host and avid listener to talk radio in Boston, I've listened intently to comments by Catholics as the crisis has unfolded. Much has been said regarding the left dominance of the seminaries and a prevalence of the ideas of "liberation theology" which is a biblically contradictory Trojan horse within the Catholic gates. Establishment organs, such as the Boston Globe, continue to wring their hands over the homosexual activities of priests while supporting a homosexual agenda everywhere else. Hopefully, the Catholic flock will wake up and sweep the corruption out of their church in the same way that their founder, Jesus of Nazareth, swept the moneychangers out of the Temple.

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To: narses
Well there's more to worry about than communists in the church - they are like ghosts and witches under the bed. Very scarry until you go to sleep and ignore them.

If you REALLY want to lose sleep over the fate of Christianity contemplate the Sacrament of Confusion as promulgated by the Masons. There are more masonic officials in the Vatican than you care to know about. Pope Pius X was the replacement pope for a bona fide masonic pope - the goal of the masons since they began was to gut the church from the inside.

Remember - it's their goal to take the Christ out of Christianity.

As told in the gospel of Thomas, "Let them who would search, find and be disappointed">>>>

281 posted on 03/25/2004 11:49:51 AM PST by Podkayne
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To: saradippity; Catholicguy
Thanks for the link to this thread. I read through it and didn't discover anything that would compel me to give any validity the communist infiltration theory.

I did, however, enjoy reading Catholicguy's posts. I think he spoke for me on this one.

282 posted on 03/26/2004 8:07:55 PM PST by St.Chuck
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To: redhead; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Ping.
283 posted on 04/19/2004 6:59:02 PM PDT by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Catholic Ping list, please email me. +)
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To: barbcsr
ping!
284 posted on 04/19/2004 7:25:28 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." M.G.)
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To: Coleus
great post, worth it's own thread..
285 posted on 04/19/2004 8:07:05 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
Yea, maybe I should, It's on my homepage. So, what made you go on this thread?
286 posted on 04/19/2004 9:25:41 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus
A catholic was complaining about something to do with communism and catholics on a non-related thread. Then I saw this while looking at the sidebar.
287 posted on 04/19/2004 9:30:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: MarMema
The communists will stop at nothing to destroy the largest institution in the world, the Catholic Church. Many of the popes warned us against it's evil concepts.

It's too bad so many communists infiltrated the holy priesthood, a well-planned action to bring down the church.
288 posted on 04/19/2004 9:37:35 PM PDT by Coleus (What were Ted Kennedy and his nephew doing on Good Friday in 1991? Getting Drunk and Raping Women)
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To: Coleus
You should really make a post of the thing about the UN and the writing under it. Ping me.

At work I just had mandatory shipping training for blood and other body fluid samples. Guess who wrote the rules? The UN.

289 posted on 04/19/2004 10:53:14 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Litany
Thomas Merton…wondering if he was really part of the plot…"

If he was part of a communist plot, he did a lousy job in my direction. His writing was a strong influence in my joining the Church.

290 posted on 04/19/2004 11:38:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (^_^)
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To: livius
Obviously, the Communists per se are long gone.

That would come as a great shock to the CPUSA and its newspaper, the Daily Worker, still published.

If you mean Commies who run around with a neon sign on their coats--true, only a few of them are out there.

But infiltration 101 typically precludes wearing a sign.

291 posted on 04/20/2004 5:15:13 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Loyalist
which conspiracy theory best explains the current state of the Church.

Satan.

292 posted on 04/20/2004 5:19:07 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: All
The classic refutation of Communism and Socialism in Catholic social thought (way too long to post in its entirity):

http://www.tfp.org/what_we_think/message/message_section1.htm
293 posted on 04/20/2004 5:50:46 AM PDT by kjvail
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To: Domestic Church
PopCon also included GHWBush's wife, & Nixon.
294 posted on 04/20/2004 6:48:23 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Catholicguy
In the early Church one was FORBIDDEN to kneel at Mass

You have documentation?

295 posted on 04/20/2004 6:50:16 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Catholicguy
FORASMUCH as there are certain persons who kneel on the Lord's Day and in the days of Pentecost, therefore, to the intent that all things may be uniformly observed everywhere(in every parish), it seems good to the holy Synod that prayer be made to God standing.

HAMMOND: Although kneeling was the common posture for prayer in the primitive Church, yet the custom had prevailed, even from the earliest times, of standing at prayer on the Lord's day, and during the fifty days between Easter and Pentecost. Tertullian, in a passage in his treatise De Corona Militis, which is often quoted, mentions it amongst other ohservances which, though not expressly commanded in Scripture, yet were universally practised upon the authority of tradition. "We consider it unlawful," he says, "to fast, or to pray kneeling, upon the Lord's day; we enjoy the same liberty from Easter-day to that of Pentecost." De Cor. Mil. s. 3, 4. Many other of the Fathers notice the same practice, the reason of which, as given by Augustine; and others, was to commemorate the resurrection of our Lord, and to signify the rest and joy of our own resurrection, which that of our Lord assured. This canon, as Beveridge observes, is a proof of the importance formerly attached to an uniformity of sacred rites throughout the Church, which made the Nicene Fathers thus sanction and enforce by their authority a practice which in itself is indifferent, and not commanded directly or indirectly in Scripture, and assign this as their reason for doing so: "In order that all things may be observed in like manner in every parish" or diocese.

HEFELE: All the churches did not, however, adopt this practice; for we see in the Acts of the Apostles(xx. 36 and xxi. 5) that St. Paul prayed kneeling during the time between Pentecost and Easter. This canon is found in the Corpus Juris Canonici. Decretum, Pars III, De Cone. Dist. III. c.

x.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt

Well, perhaps.

The Canon is cited in its entirety, along with commentary--names of commentators are in caps.

Clearly, although Nicea decided that "for uniformity" standing was preferable (thus enjoined,) the practice was sanctioned by such as St. Paul.

Evidently many followed the practice of kneeling, (some regardless of Nicea's command) and the practice returned.

We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

296 posted on 04/20/2004 7:13:04 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
We can conclude that the "Sensus Fidelium" was in favor of kneeling, as it is today.

I don't think so. In fact, Liturgical History and Church architecture teaches us the opposite. When were kneelers first installed in Churches and was the imposition of kneeling as mandatory readily accepted by the Christian Comunity?

297 posted on 04/25/2004 10:04:14 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Catholicguy
Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies.
298 posted on 04/25/2004 10:11:56 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Doesn't make any difference. You just don't like the results of sensus fidelium. Tough cookies

LOL. Nicea wasn't part of the Sensus Fidelium ?

299 posted on 04/25/2004 10:36:31 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: ninenot
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06423a.htm
300 posted on 04/25/2004 11:28:37 AM PDT by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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