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9/9/2002 | PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Posted on 09/09/2002 10:50:55 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Why all the seperatition of late, are we afraid to debate each other any more?

BigMack


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1 posted on 09/09/2002 10:50:55 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
seperatition = separation, Oh my kingdom for a spell chech on FR. :)

BigMack

2 posted on 09/09/2002 10:53:39 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: angelo; IMRight; Invincibly Ignorant; al_c; SoothingDave
Ping

BigMack

3 posted on 09/09/2002 10:55:42 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: RnMomof7
Mom pull out your ping lists please.

BigMack

4 posted on 09/09/2002 10:56:55 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"...are we afraid to debate each other any more?"

I ain't a skeert. As long as I feel I grasp the subject.

5 posted on 09/09/2002 11:06:21 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Actually,I think there is a good sola scriptura debate on the "The Relationship of the Church to Israel" thread.They appear to have no problems about expressing their differing viewpoints.
6 posted on 09/09/2002 11:10:50 AM PDT by Codie
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
There is some fear from some groups to debate. A certain group was so afraid of debate just recently, they had threads pulled.

On the whole, the Religion forum works fine. I don't see it as a ghetto; FR is much more organized as currently set up.
7 posted on 09/09/2002 11:16:45 AM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
There is some fear from some groups to debate.

Why?

BigMack

8 posted on 09/09/2002 11:19:17 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Well, I'll speak up since its obvious the REAL question here is, "Where has ponyepsresso gone?" Thanks for trying to make it more general so as not to hurt the feelings of those who don't understand everyone's tremendous amount of concern for me. Honestly, it's touching, it really is. I appreciate it.

Well, the truth is I've only really been able to lurk as of late. I try to follow threads when I can, but I've really been trying to catch up on my reading lately; I've FINALLY got started on Richard Foster's book Celebration of Discipline. What a fantastic work. If I knew it was going to be this insightful, I would have bumped to the top of my reading list a long time ago, lol!

So, when I can I will be joining the fray and trying to contribute what I can. I am even toying with posting some of my own writing, we'll see what happens.

So, again, really, thanks for the concern. But, other than that, the religion forum is working great. Fantastic, in fact. Keep up the good work, and keep a look out for me. I'll be seeing ya!

pony

=:-)

9 posted on 09/09/2002 1:06:24 PM PDT by ponyespresso
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; JMJ333; american colleen; Claud; ...
Will ping Mack...

Now for my opinion... Do you know what happens when there is no outlet for a lake?? It dies...Once it is gone a lot of posters will probably be gone too...lots of news forums but not many good religious forums

10 posted on 09/09/2002 1:16:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: ponyespresso
Well, I'll speak up since its obvious the REAL question here is, "Where has ponyepsresso gone?" Thanks for trying to make it more general so as not to hurt the feelings of those who don't understand everyone's tremendous amount of concern for me. Honestly, it's touching, it really is. I appreciate it.

Well I am glad that is solved...we may now continue...:>))))

11 posted on 09/09/2002 1:17:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Oh my kingdom for a spell chech on FR. :)

I think you meant, "spell czech." ;-)

12 posted on 09/09/2002 1:19:45 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: Codie
Protestants do not fear different opinions we are always ready to discuss doctrine...and note on that thread it is not a Calvinist/Arminian division...

Can you believe that xzing, deck, Jude and I are on the "same side"??:>)

13 posted on 09/09/2002 1:19:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
There are embarrassing and incorrect beliefs that come out in these debates. There is a fear of the light.
14 posted on 09/09/2002 1:25:50 PM PDT by Wrigley
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To: RnMomof7
Can you believe I'm siding with Woody on this one? Strange days indeed. :)
15 posted on 09/09/2002 1:35:31 PM PDT by Codie
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To: RnMomof7
Well, as for me, I only spend time on the Religion forum when my availability happens concurrently with a peak in the desire to beat my head against a brick wall.

Thankfully, the frequency of that event lately is more like that of a solar eclipse, than a full moon.

Plus, when (if?) they do line up again, I'm hoping to pick up a copy of Dave Hunt's What Love Is This?, wherein he supposes to debunk the heresies of [hyper-]Calvinism.)

16 posted on 09/09/2002 1:36:18 PM PDT by newgeezer
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To: Codie
No kidding?? I just do not see it..
17 posted on 09/09/2002 1:39:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
My daddy once told me that you all could always tell who was wrong in a debate - they are the one's that are yelling the loudest. I am absolutely passionate about the fact that far too few Christians are woefully un-taught, or under-taught.

I teach an adult Sunday School class as well as a Monday night college class. I am absolutely amazed at the number of people who come up to me after a month or two and tell me that they have been Christians for "x-number of years" and they have never dealt with the subjects that I teach, and in the depth that I teach them. Someone yesterday described my classes as "AP courses" for Christians.

My question - why aren't they being taught. I lay the blame at the feet of seminaries and the pastors they produce.

Grace and Peace

18 posted on 09/09/2002 1:40:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: RnMomof7
What's the deal?? Are they talking about getting rid of the religion section again??
19 posted on 09/09/2002 1:42:43 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: LiteKeeper
My question - why aren't they being taught. I lay the blame at the feet of seminaries and the pastors they produce.

Part of why they aren't being taught is because so many churches complete focus is evangelism. Drawing "seekers" into the church. Sermons are "how to" with a very small emphasis on bible. Little or no theology. Get em saved.. and move on to the next one.

And the ones that do teach discipleship teach it on a surface level. For the christian who really wants to discuss and learn deep seated theological principles from the bible... few churches today are the place to accomplish that.

That is what I enjoy about web sites such as this one. The opportunity to listen to others, and to discuss theology with like minded and those that think differently.

20 posted on 09/09/2002 1:47:48 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: kjam22
I couldn't agree with you more. When I was actively pastoring, I operated on the basis that the best sermons (teaching types) should go to the largest crowds: 1100 on Sunday morning. I did not believe in saving the "really deep stuff" for Sunday School or the evening services. Some of the "old timers" complained, but my mandate as a pastor is to equip the saints for the work of service, rightly dividing the Word. Teaching is the work of the pastor - evangelism is the work of the people as they encounter people in the lives. Someone once said, "sheep are supposed to have sheep; shepherds aren't." Doesn't mean the pastor isn't bringing people to Christ, but far too many congregations think that is the work of the pastor, not theirs.
21 posted on 09/09/2002 1:59:07 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Why all the seperatition of late, are we afraid to debate each other any more?"

You can't be talking about me!!!!??? LOL.

22 posted on 09/09/2002 2:17:20 PM PDT by Theresa
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To: RnMomof7
Present!
23 posted on 09/09/2002 2:32:40 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Not voting huh soldier??
24 posted on 09/09/2002 2:35:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Theresa
You can't be talking about me!!!!??? LOL.

We've been thinking that you need to come out of your shell. ;o)

25 posted on 09/09/2002 2:37:59 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: LiteKeeper
I am ashamed to tell you that I was a Christian 22 years before I ever thought about Doctrine..I knew the Word (all we really need for salvation and a full Christian life )

I do believe that most people do not give such things a thought

That is one of the values of religious threads IMHO

Sometimes seeing a title will make someone think.

Do ya suppose they yelled at each other during all those early councils? Do ya spose that Paul yelled at Peter:>) , Did ya ever read some of the harsh words exchanged by Luther and Erasmus??

Are we passionate about the word of God..geeeee I hope so!!

It is good you are teaching...very good!

26 posted on 09/09/2002 2:42:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: kjam22
No I think there is some concern over the participation..it is like an echo chamber in here sometimes..
27 posted on 09/09/2002 2:43:43 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: LiteKeeper
Some of the "old timers" complained, but my mandate as a pastor is to equip the saints for the work of service, rightly dividing the Word. Teaching is the work of the pastor - evangelism is the work of the people as they encounter people in the lives.

Absolutely correct..but today it is all about numbers ..bring them in..

Now when you have a church full of unsaved or babes ..it is hard to teach the mature saints (equip them)

I have a firm belief that the church is for maturing the already saved. The congregation should be out beating the bushes IN THE WORLD and giving the gospel themselves..

28 posted on 09/09/2002 2:49:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Not voting huh soldier??

Naa...

29 posted on 09/09/2002 2:56:35 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: RnMomof7
that is absolutely where I stand on this issue as well.

"Sheep have sheep; shepherds feed the sheep, and care for the new lambs"

30 posted on 09/09/2002 3:15:00 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Is The Religion Forum Working? Are we afraid to debate each other any more?

I would hope that less religious debate would mean that more people are 'preaching the gospel to every creature' instead of arguing with nameless, faceless screenames here on FR.

If that is the case, then I suppose that the Religion Forum IS working.

31 posted on 09/09/2002 3:18:13 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: rdb3
Great profile page! Wowzers! Thank you for your service to our country and may God bless your heart.

BTW, did you catch the Boyz and the Texans last night? Hoowah!

32 posted on 09/09/2002 3:29:58 PM PDT by w_over_w
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To: w_over_w
BTW, did you catch the Boyz and the Texans last night? Hoowah!

Yes I did! And I've been enjoying all the whining I've heard in Dallas today. It's been fun.

The Cowboys lost to an EXPANSION TEAM!

BWAAAAHHAAAAAHAAA!

33 posted on 09/09/2002 3:37:42 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: RnMomof7
Good analogy, and I am happy to say that my church, with the motto of "Win, equip, send!" follows that design. Doctrine is high on the list of teaching done in my church. We have good teachers, too. (Present poster notwithstanding.)

My problem with the religious forum is that I do not particularly enjoy discussions of Calvinism, What is wrong with the RC Curch, or why Mormonism is a one way ticket to Satan's Eternal Resort.

I used main board threads befor e the segregation (and now) to sharpen up on evangelising, tighten up my apologetics, and witness my saving faith. I have not gotten into a good furball with OWK in this forum. I love you all as brothers and sisters, and look forward to sitting with you at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb, but for now, I agree with too many of you and there are too few threads on fundamental metaphysics in this forum. Those fundamental threads are where the seekers will be. Chances to witness also pop up on some odd ball threads in the main or general interest forums.

As an example, I got into a good discussion and was able to witness on a thread last Friday concerning (of all things) Prison Rape.(!) God has led me down an amazing path, and I feel the need to share that witness of His Power whenever the chance presents itself. There are'nt that many chances to that on this forum.

My treasure is knowing that God has used me as an unworthy messenger of His Salvation--that is where my heart is. I figure we'll all find out if Calvin was right when we're in our glorified bodies, worshipping our returned King.

Sorry if I've offended anyone...But this forum has little interest for me. (Other than the ocaisional lurking review of an intersting thread to see some of the 1st class doctrine defenders demolish drek posted by those with more passion than sense.)
34 posted on 09/09/2002 3:48:31 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Yeah but this place made a good practice field. I also have gotten some positive, private feedback from people that have renewed dead faith or come to saving faith, based on what was being posted on FR.

My favorite street corner on the Santa Monica Promenade just is'nt the same without Ray Comfort and Greg Koukl out there anymore. :-<(
35 posted on 09/09/2002 3:53:31 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: RnMomof7
No I think there is some concern over the participation..it is like an echo chamber in here sometimes..

Ahhh... I see. Would that be like an echo chamber because some people keep making the flawed arguments over and over and over... as if their argument was simply bouncing around in here from wall to wall?? :)

I think there are probably a lot more people who lurk in this forum than post to it. Maybe a greater percentage of lurker to poster than in other areas. You know in fact... they are probably lurking and asking themselves if MOM is ever going to understand that Kjam22 is correct and that MOM needs to accept the entire gospel. I'm you know... pretty confident that that is what they are thinking :)

Just kidding... don't go balstic on me :)

36 posted on 09/09/2002 3:56:05 PM PDT by kjam22
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To: L,TOWM
There are many gifts ..but only one Giver of Gifts...Evangelize away...

Do stop in once in a while:>))

37 posted on 09/09/2002 4:18:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: kjam22
Ahhh... I see. Would that be like an echo chamber because some people keep making the flawed arguments over and over and over... as if their argument was simply bouncing around in here from wall to wall?? :)

Well we were hoping that this thread would focus you :>)))

Look I have been agreeing with xzins on the end times...there is always hope you guys will come to your senses:>))

38 posted on 09/09/2002 4:21:44 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: L,TOWM
private feedback from people that have renewed dead faith

I hope that is true. But it seems from all the bantering that the opposite is more the norm.

39 posted on 09/09/2002 5:26:02 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Hi, Mack, I do lurk a lot, and sometimes , add in a couple of cents . You all roll on, now .
40 posted on 09/09/2002 5:33:17 PM PDT by dadwags
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To: RnMomof7
I do believe that most people do not give such things a thought That is one of the values of religious threads IMHO Sometimes seeing a title will make someone think.

Agreed.

Some of the lesser amount of activity probably has to do with families and others getting back fully to the school/work schedule of the school year. I think late spring, summer and early fall are the slowest times for FR partly because FReepers are a bit outdoorsy and tend to get out and do things. This is across the board, not just in the Religion forum. We have a lot of parents with kids at home on these fora and we do have to compete with school events as well.

I expect that, even with the current and entirely predictable complacence among Republicans and even among conservatives given that "we" hold the White House, we'll still probably see some pickup around election time and people spending more time around here as the weather keeps them from outside more often and as the full political season gets underway. I know I'm much more active in the colder months. Think about it. If the Battle For Floriduh had been fought in the summer months, would anyone have showed up? OF COURSE THEY WOULD! Well, I like to think so but have a few nagging doubts.

As far as some of the other noticable ebb and tide in religious threads, sometimes it has to do with events in the real world (controversial statements or actions by celebrity Christians of all denominations or the actions of some denominational organization or a media attack on some denomination like the church of Rome or Southern Baptists.

And, from time to time, some of us feel our theological battery has run down a bit and that we've repeated ourselves so many times on a particular issue that we save ourselves the effort of typing the same old responses yet one more time and forcing someone else to parse them yet one more time, in short, the lack of anything new to say on the subject. Hey, it happens even to FReepers.
41 posted on 09/09/2002 8:51:01 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: L,TOWM
My problem with the religious forum is that I do not particularly enjoy discussions of Calvinism, What is wrong with the RC Curch, or why Mormonism is a one way ticket to Satan's Eternal Resort.

HERETIC!
42 posted on 09/09/2002 8:55:04 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: RnMomof7
"...Lots of news forums but not many good religious forums."

Many forums arguably overlap into both catagories, but part of the problem or lack of passion at FR began, as some have noted when it's hierarchy balkanized the format into specific bits and pieces instead of the smorgasbord menu of topics of its old format.

Was this done to prevent "controversial" religion-based threads off the main board in order for FR to not be perceived on the outside as "extreme far-right Christian" website? Arguably so IMO.

43 posted on 09/09/2002 9:35:46 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
>>>>hope that is true<<<<

So, what, I'm lying? Get a grip, man.
44 posted on 09/09/2002 9:43:15 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: George W. Bush
>>>>>HERETIC!<<<<<<

Funny, I was expecting "BLASPHEMY"...
45 posted on 09/09/2002 9:45:28 PM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: L,TOWM
I am not convinced that the few comments sent to you claiming that these pious food-fights brought them to the Lord could be considered a trend.
46 posted on 09/10/2002 5:49:10 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
>>>>>these pious food-fights brought them to the Lord<<<<<<<

I was claiming something quite different. The threads on the old "everything gets posted here" forum produced many chances to debate on the existence of God and his nature. I am aware of more than one FReeper that either came to faith or rekindled their faith based on things posted on those threads.

Trend? Hardly. But it is worth it to me if only one person comes to Saving Faith. It is also worth it to me if the posting that goes on follows the Jeremiah model.

In this forum, you are quite correct; inter doctrinal "food fights", Wanna Be Pharisees saying the same thing over and over to each other. Not my cup of tea--I'll work on those that don't even have an idea that Jesus is the answer.
47 posted on 09/10/2002 6:11:03 AM PDT by L,TOWM
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To: L,TOWM
My problem with the religious forum is that I do not particularly enjoy discussions of Calvinism, What is wrong with the RC Curch, or why Mormonism is a one way ticket to Satan's Eternal Resort

What do you enjoy discussing as far as religion?

Becky

48 posted on 09/10/2002 6:31:25 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: RnMomof7; jude24; Codie; fortheDeclaration; winstonchurchill
Can you believe that xzing, deck, Jude and I are on the "same side"??:>)

That was to codie, but let me dip in here a bit.

It is too weird for words....and Jude is as puzzled as you and I. (But Jude is cleaning a few clocks over on the church/israel thread.)

Don't forget ftd....you're on the same side as ftD.

And Winston is opposite me (and here I thought we were long separated identical twins.)

49 posted on 09/10/2002 6:39:04 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; RnMomof7; Codie; fortheDeclaration; winstonchurchill
A sign of the Apocalypse???? ;-)
50 posted on 09/10/2002 7:19:03 AM PDT by jude24
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