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Is The Religion Forum Working?
9/9/2002 | PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Posted on 09/09/2002 10:50:55 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain

Why all the seperatition of late, are we afraid to debate each other any more?

BigMack


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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Well, I've generally not been party to a lot of the Religion forum discussions because they can be pretty time-consuming, and between junior-year chemistry work, involvement in Campus Crusade, and so forth, I don't have time to jump in every debate where the truth is already being ably presented.

Nor do I enjoy debate for debate's sake. One thing which deeply concerns me about the debates I see is the inherent assumption several parties have; viz, that anyone who has a minor theological quarrel is obviously either not saved or apostate. I'm not talking about anything fundamental, like whether or not the Book of Mormon is canonical (obviously, I think not), but smaller things. I'm a Calvinist, no bones about it, but I'm not gonna sit here in judgment and say that the Arminians are necessarily apostate, and the Calvinists not. Its just not the case. Similarly, there are those on this board who consider me apostate beacause I do not use the King James version of the Bible, but rather have an NASB on my desk now.

I've gone toe-to-toe with those on my own side of an issue who I've thought gone overboard with ad hominem arguments, and I'll do it again, if necessary.

But I'm not adverse to open discussions of theological issues here -- God knows that it really helped me in my own walk. Ask RnMomof7, she and I both were a year and a half ago as devoted to the free-will position as anyone else on this board. But our objections were consistently answered -- so now I love and cherish the doctrine I raged against in my teenage years.

51 posted on 09/10/2002 7:31:49 AM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24
The 4 horsemen.....jude, rn, x, ftD

And it's FOOTBALL season.

52 posted on 09/10/2002 7:36:49 AM PDT by xzins
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To: L,TOWM
inter doctrinal "food fights", Wanna Be Pharisees saying the same thing over and over to each other. Not my cup of tea--I'll work on those that don't even have an idea that Jesus is the answer.

Well said. I agree.

53 posted on 09/10/2002 8:10:01 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: jude24; xzins; maestro
A sign of the Apocalypse???? ;-)

Can't be, the Christians haven't been 'caught up' with the Lord yet! :>)

54 posted on 09/10/2002 11:21:26 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: xzins; jude24; RnMomof7; winstonchurchill; maestro
Can you believe that xzing, deck, Jude and I are on the "same side"??:>) That was to codie, but let me dip in here a bit. It is too weird for words....and Jude is as puzzled as you and I. (But Jude is cleaning a few clocks over on the church/israel thread.) Don't forget ftd....you're on the same side as ftD. And Winston is opposite me (and here I thought we were long separated identical twins.)

Now this could be sign of the Apocalypse!

55 posted on 09/10/2002 11:28:36 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration
Now this could be sign of the Apocalypse!

maybe that's why we went to alert level orange!

56 posted on 09/10/2002 11:39:47 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Now this could be sign of the Apocalypse! maybe that's why we went to alert level orange!

LOL! Amen!

57 posted on 09/10/2002 11:53:07 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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I've been on list servers, bulletin boards, chat rooms, etc... - the ones dealing with religion tend to be some of the most exasperating, and I'm not entirely sure why.

I'm a Reformed Baptist, committed to the doctrines of grace and the resulting priority of making disciples, building strong Churches featuring Biblical fellowship and accountability, loving the saints and impacting all things in the culture for the sake of His Name.

I'm not always convinced that these forums accomplish any of these things. So many of the arguments are circular, and since very few people online seem to be interested in following any kind of fair debating principles, one's skill at presenting truth isn't really honed either.

What I think an online forum CAN be useful for, is for like-minded believers to be able to encourage one another in truth, share burdens and otherwise enjoy one another's friendship. Now, ideally, all these things happen in the local church, and this or a similar forum shouldn't be seen as a replacement for THAT, but it can be an enjoyable supplement to it. I do believe that in these dark times, an emerging remnant is beginning to stand out as a bright lamp, espousing many of the themes I mention above. I think the Net is a useful tool in that regard, helping a lot of people network and share helpful teaching tools. Some have been able to find Biblical churches they didn't know existed, as a result.

I would much prefer to interact on here with other like-minded individuals in a collegial manner, rather than to get into just another pointless argument with some Arminian or rabid dispensationalist with his brain switched off.

Is there any forum here or otherwise available for THAT?
58 posted on 09/10/2002 12:17:06 PM PDT by Federalist#34
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To: F16Fighter
Was this done to prevent "controversial" religion-based threads off the main board in order for FR to not be perceived on the outside as "extreme far-right Christian" website? Arguably so IMO.

I agree ...it was a PC move...Funny though I USED to read almost every thread..no more. I come to the getto now that is about it unless I am flagged or decide to go uptown (to the BIG time News Forum) for a visit

I note a real loss of diversity on that forum when I go and some pretty dumb "news" articles. I think the expression is " dumbed down"

ya know the folks that post on the religious forum are some pretty smart folks...This is not a forum of "backwater illiterates"...some Biblethumpers that know nothing else

Most of the posters on the Religion forum are well informed and highly motivated citizens...( that now post alot less on the news forum:>)

59 posted on 09/10/2002 12:36:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: 11th Earl of Mar; L,TOWM
What happens is people see what they THINK they believe misstated or not understood...so they do web searches and get in their bibles and look where they have not looked in years..

Was the council at Trent a food fight?Dort?

Men met and discussed and hammered out doctrine..Today the ordinary man can do that on the internet..

I think it is awesome and a time of reflection and growth..

Any time someone is moved to pick up the word of God it is an opportunity for the Holy Spirit to work...

60 posted on 09/10/2002 12:44:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: jude24; xzins; fortheDeclaration
A sign of the Apocalypse???? ;-)

Is that a Pre mil or Post mil...(They think it has all ready happened..a mil ago) *grin*

This proves that the doctrinal differences that seperate " Protestants" (although xzins and dec are NOT a protestant) are no where near as deep as they look to "outsiders"

Jude that are WRONG on election and predestion.....but still family......but they are shhhhh

slow

61 posted on 09/10/2002 12:50:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: xzins; jude24
rn is tring to be the dark horse and stay out of the way...she is too ignorant to have anything of substance to say on the end time theories...BUT I do know who is loose and who is NOT bound..geeeeeeeeee ...
62 posted on 09/10/2002 12:54:00 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Federalist#34; jude24
Hey Fed I didn't know you were Reformed **Baptist**..would you pray for the start up Reform Baptist Church I have been attending? There are NO Reform Churchs in the area other than a Bible Presbyterian in a nearby town..

As for the usefulness??? A year ago Jude and I were Arminian...the circular argument drew us in ..and after hearing the same thing over and over it finally sunk in .........God REALLY IS IN CHARGE ....what an awsome realization.....Than you to the hard noses that kept at it

63 posted on 09/10/2002 1:01:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I'm an Rb who attends a PCA church, btw. :-)
64 posted on 09/10/2002 1:14:37 PM PDT by Federalist#34
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To: RnMomof7; jude24; xzins
This proves that the doctrinal differences that seperate " Protestants" (although xzins and dec are NOT a protestant) are no where near as deep as they look to "outsiders" Jude that are WRONG on election and predestion.....but still family......but they are shhhhh slow

Hey! that was just what Xzins and myself were thinking about you guys! :>)

65 posted on 09/10/2002 2:13:30 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; RnMomof7; jude24
Hey, ftD.

I don't mind being called ugly anymore :>)

I looked in the mirror and I IS UGLY!! LOL!


Jesus loves ugly people too.
66 posted on 09/10/2002 3:37:14 PM PDT by xzins
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To: RnMomof7
"I note a real loss of diversity on that forum when I go and some pretty dumb "news" articles. I think the expression is 'dumbed down'".

That's the way the "enlightened" 'elite' FR corp prefer it -- and it keeps the 'posse ping-ees' from having to think too much for themselves ;-)

" Ya know the folks that post on the religious forum are some pretty smart folks...This is not a "forum of "backwater illiterates"...some Biblethumpers that know nothing else...Most of the posters on the Religion forum are well informed and highly motivated citizens...( that now post alot less on the news forum:>)

I agree with your assessment 100%....

With all due respect to JimRob, to embrace PCism by essentially alienating and ostracizing folks who happened to be amongst the most clear-thinking FReepers was illogical as well as "cutting off the nose to spite the face" IMO. Maybe he was advised by the "darker-side" of FR that those unsophisticated "bible-thumpers" might somehow be a "liability" problem?? ;-)

67 posted on 09/10/2002 4:16:06 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Is The Religion Forum Working? No, in my opinion it's becoming not much more than a propaganda tool for the Pope. IOW's, too many "isn't the Pope great" threads.
68 posted on 09/10/2002 4:55:04 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
No, in my opinion it's becoming not much more than a propaganda tool for the Pope. IOW's, too many "isn't the Pope great" threads.

LOL...now tell us what you REALLY think. :)

BigMack

69 posted on 09/10/2002 4:59:11 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Iowegian
Post something ...we can not complain that it is used too much by others if we do not use it ourselves....
70 posted on 09/10/2002 5:10:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Yeah, I know, but I was just making an observation. The sheer volume of those type of threads is startling, and most by the same poster.
71 posted on 09/10/2002 5:23:50 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
I know I have noticed ...
72 posted on 09/10/2002 5:26:36 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I love lively debate, minus ad hominem insults and oversensitive knee jerk reactions.
73 posted on 09/10/2002 7:33:12 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Commander8
I see your a Independent Fundamentalist Baptist, so am I, not too many of us on here. :) Have ya ever been to the Never Ending Story threads? If not come on by and join in, there is group of us there that have been posting for almost 2 years now, we know each other pretty well and like each other, but it does get heated at times, but we say were sorry and start over, we have catholics, baptists, 1 Jew, pretreist, and some we don't know what they are yet :)

Come on over were there most every day, its kinda slow for the summer and some have a heavy work load, but it goes every day, on a normal day we get up to 350-450 posts, 500-600 on a heavy day, we could use some fresh input. Oh yeah my wife post under PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain also and signs her name, Becky, and there is another Independent Fundamentalist Baptist, ksen there also, so come on by and jump in any time.

BigMack

74 posted on 09/10/2002 7:49:45 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: xzins
Jesus loves ugly people too.

He doesn't look at the outward appearance, but at the heart!

75 posted on 09/11/2002 2:08:03 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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