No-Kneeling Rule Sparks Widespread Outcry

National Catholic Register ^ | Sept. 29-Oct. 5, 2002 | JOHN BURGER

[Notwithstanding]

Polycarp,

#4 is an infantile post and I hope you will ask the moderator to remove it.

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[sockmonkey]

My parish uses kneeling at the Communion rail and it's not Anglican use.

IMHO, you are fortunate. I am guessing that more Catholic Churches don't use them than do, or have yanked them out altogether...
And don't get me started on the Churches that yank out the Holy Water during Lent, and replace it with kitty litter, or little cactus gardens.

[Irisshlass]

And don't get me started on the Churches that yank out the Holy Water during Lent, and replace it with kitty litter, or little cactus gardens.


What????

[Irisshlass]

Oh Good Grief!!!

[sockmonkey]

#4 is an infantile post and I hope you will ask the moderator to remove it.

I agree, but as an FYI, that is an actual photograph of the Episcopal Bishop of the US, taken in 1997, and here is the caption which went with it:
photo by Bernard Thomas, The Herald-Sun
The Rev. James Gary Gloster (left) and his consecrators, including the Rt. Rev. Edmond Browning (behind Gloster), presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church in the United States, sport red clown noses during a ceremony at Duke Chapel to ordain Gloster as Suffragan Bishop. Gloster, who has used a clown in his ministry, has spoken on the importance of laughter and play in faith.

[Catholicguy]

How many versions of your normative Mass are floating about these days? They seem to vary quite immensely on all levels: parish, diocese, archdiocese, country, etc. Are they all legitmate and equally pleasing to God, except for that dreadful, so consistent Indult that you hope the next Pope abolishes?

<> I don't think the 1962 Roman Missal dreadful nor do I think it impeccable. I do think the Indult will be withdrawn by the next Pope. If that happens, I think many will fall into the private judgement lairs the schismatic recruiters have dug all around their schismatic camps.

Wander too close to these nuts and one will find themselves severed from the Body of Christ and isolated in an insane abattoir of an imaginary "eternal Rome," whatever the hell that means.<>

[Desdemona]

And don't get me started on the Churches that yank out the Holy Water during Lent, and replace it with kitty litter, or little cactus gardens.

Excuse me: WHAT?

Holy Water isn't supposed to be removed until Good Friday.

[groans] Lord, Jesus Christ, we your people need help.

[Notwithstanding]

I apologize - for I presumed it HAD to be a doctored photo that was done to mock members of the clergy.

Given the fact that these men chose to act so foolishly in public - while vested - I think it is actually a good thing to publicize how foolishly some clerics (Catholic or not) behave.

Polycarp, I apologize.

[narses]

How grotesque. They MOCK the Church. GRRRRRRRRRR........

[sockmonkey]

What???
Holy Water isn't supposed to be removed until Good Friday.

Oh, those crazy Liturgists, and Priests:
HOLY WATER DURING LENT: as you will have noticed the water has been removed from the holy water fonts and been replaced with sand. This symbolizes our journey in the desert during Lent and our hope of the Ressurection at Easter.

My Parish would never do this, but it seems the rest of them around here sure do.

[Desdemona]

This symbolizes our journey in the desert during Lent and our hope of the Ressurection at Easter.

Somebody's been reading way too much early 20th century American Lit.

Arbitrary symbolism drives me crazy.

[sockmonkey]

Arbitrary symbolism drives me crazy.

Depriving people of powerful Sacramentals drives me crazy.

[american colleen]

I always think these agents of change have far too much time on their hands. I also think the "collegiality" of the Cardinals and Bishops through the USCCB has been a detriment to the faith. Too much bureaucracy and too much time on their hands, too. All the $$$ doesn't help, either.

[Dusty Rose]

I'm for all options as well. Jesus said "Take and eat," not "Kneel," or "Put our your tongue," or "Make the sign of the cross." Teaching about the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist needs to be clear and central wherever Catholics gather. Then, with true heartfelt and humble belief, reverence in receiving the Eucharist will be there, undeniably, whether a person stands or kneels.

On a personal note, my mother (like many others) has arthritis. It's very difficult for her to walk up for Communion, and to kneel would be excruciating if not impossible. I would not want her to feel any less reverent because she cannot kneel while others can. As for promoting reverence for the Divine Presence, we need to request and participate in Divine Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, to kneel and to adore and to pray for however long we desire, at anytime day or night.

[american colleen]

I do think the Indult will be withdrawn by the next Pope.

My gosh, I hope you are wrong. What makes you think the Indult will be withdrawn?

[Desdemona]

Too much bureaucracy and too much time on their hands, too.

What I want to know, is why any of us, if we are really living as Catholics, have so much time on our hands? I have a job right now where I don't have a lot to do, just by it's very nature, so I can sit here and talk to all of you. But, away from here, in my other life, there's not nearly so much. Too much to do.

[Catholicguy]

My gosh, I hope you are wrong. What makes you think the Indult will be withdrawn?

<> I think it evident it leads to an elitist and superior attitude. "I go to a real Mass" is a typical remark made by Indulties (Remnant's disparaging sobriquet) and that evinces a dangerous mindset; that the 1962 Roman Missal represents a real Mass and the Pauline Rite reprsents a pretend Mass.

I think it leads others down the thought path that ends up in Fantasy Park where folks think the Pauline Rite will be abandoned, Vatican II repudiated, and the "glory" of the pre 1962 Church restored.<>

[Catholicguy]

"The Eucharist is the heart of the Catholic faith," said parishioner Bobby Ryan, 40, who finds it hard to give up the devotional kneeling he has learned since he became a Catholic in 1995. "For people who have knelt all their lives, and a bishop saying you shouldn't kneel, there's something wrong. … I'd think it would make a bishop happy to have people in his diocese who want to kneel."

<> There was a time when folks only stood. When the norm to kneel was introduced, folks were similarly upset and it took a LONG time for folks to become comfortable with that.

Personally, I have noticed a dimunition of Faith in the Eucharist nor the reverence with which I receive.<>

[FBDinNJ]

I doubt that will happen. If Bishop Fellay could ever get Bishop Williamson under control then the Pope would be happy to give the SSPX an Apostolic Administration where they'd be free from Ecclesia Dei and local Bishops. The Pope already gave an AA to the SSJV down in Campos, Brazil.

Of course that's a big "if" because recently Bishop Williamson has been off the wall. He recently hosted a conference of SSPX Priest in Paris about Vatican II where he blamed the council on Jews, Communists, and Freemasons.