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Jesuit University Refers Students to Abortion Mills
see for yourself ^ | 12/04/02 | pseudo-justin

Posted on 12/04/2002 9:51:50 AM PST by pseudo-justin

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usf_health_questions@hotmail.com

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If you are an alumni, withold all your donations!
51 posted on 12/05/2002 12:13:12 AM PST by Salvation
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To: pseudo-justin
Thank you for the ping & the update
52 posted on 12/05/2002 3:13:48 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Diago
I have learned that public humiliation through bad publicity is the only thing that works with these guys.

Absolutely, which is why I support RCF, some here have a problem with them, and in an ideal world their tactics would be over the top, but as spiritual warriors, they fight the necessary fight. V's wife.

53 posted on 12/05/2002 4:07:12 AM PST by ventana
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To: pseudo-justin
<> Good job, Pseudo. I hope this effort bears fruit.<>
54 posted on 12/05/2002 4:43:35 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: pseudo-justin
Hope you're right.

Catholic universities and "reproductive health"
The Saint Louis Post Dispatch proclaimed approvingly that Saint Louis University "does well in reproductive health survey". The story appeared August 14, 2002, after Catholics For a Free Choice announced the results of a survey of all 191 of the nation's four-year Catholic schools commissioned by CFFC in 2000 - with 165 responding.

Post-Dispatch reporter Susan C. Thomson's story, " Saint Louis University provides more sex-related health services than most other Catholic colleges and universities in the United States, a new study reports", said that the survey, called "Student Bodies: Reproductive Health Care at Catholic Universities" reports that SLU's student health center offered services including sexuality education, pregnancy counseling and screening for HIV and sexually transmitted diseases.

Saint Louis University is a Jesuit institution, founded in 1818.

"Like the vast majority of its peers, SLU did not offer students contraception, which is forbidden by traditional Catholic teaching. But unlike most of them, according to the survey, SLU refers students elsewhere for contraceptive services", Thomson wrote.
"SLU was among the 117 of the schools reporting that they did not make contraception available to students for birth control. Of the 16 schools that did, only two offered a full range of contraceptive drugs and devices.

"Twenty-seven schools, SLU included, responded that they referred students to outside sources such as Planned Parenthood for contraceptive advice".

The CFFC study says: "Clearly, the provision of contraception is a contentious issue on Catholic university campuses, with health care providers torn between responsibility to the students' health and well-being and Catholic doctrine". According to CFFC, Catholic colleges in general endanger students by failing "to integrate sexuality education and treatment into their general health program".

SLU officials could not be reached for comment, Thomson reported. (Susan C. Thomson:/e-mail: sthomson@post-dispatch.com/Phone: 314-209-1315)

A story by David Crary for Associated Press, published August 10, "Catholic Colleges Debate Sex Policy", reported on other Catholic schools who participated in the CFFC Survey.

Crary wrote, "With sexually active students on their campuses and the Vatican unswervingly opposed to premarital sex, America's Roman Catholic colleges face difficult choices on such sensitive matters as condom use and unwanted pregnancies".

Following are some responses from Catholic university officials Crary interviewed:

"Our doctors understand they're working on the campus of a Catholic college - we don't fill prescriptions for birth control," said Linda Timm, vice president of student affairs at the all-women's St. Mary's College in South Bend, Ind. "But if a student inquires, we'll sit down and discuss the choices involved in being sexually active. Ultimately it's going to be a student's choice what she decides to do off campus regarding birth control."

Of 133 Catholic colleges responding to a survey about health services, only 16 reported making contraceptives available to students, the group said. When contacted by The Associated Press, three of the 16 denied providing contraceptives.

Officials at others among the 16 didn't dispute the survey listing but said there was no formal policy for providing contraceptives. Instead, campus medical professionals had the option of helping students obtain birth control, they said.

"We protect the integrity of the doctor-patient relationship", said Brad Winkler, dean of student development at Aquinas College in Grand Rapids, Michigan. "In the context of that relationship, a physician can prescribe contraception if requested, through the medical plan".

Winkler said the Catholic school believes unmarried students should be chaste, but noted 40 percent of Aquinas's 2,100 students are not Catholic.

"We want to make sure students are aware of the position of the college and Church", he said. "We also want students to have accurate information, and let them make their own decisions".

Several college officials said medical personnel might help individual students obtain contraceptives without the explicit approval of administrators.

"If there are schools that do provide contraceptives, there would be a problem if it became public knowledge", said the Reverend Robert Friday, a religion professor and former vice president of student life at Catholic University in Washington, DC.

Rosanne Zudekoff, communications director at Albertus Magnus College in New Haven, Connecticut, agreed: "No school is going to want to see headlines saying, 'Catholic college gives out condoms'".

Michael James, assistant director of the Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities, suggested any variance with Vatican doctrine was being initiated discreetly by health professionals.

"I'm not aware of any school taking this on with some kind of bravado", he said. Most students at Catholic colleges expect policies that conform with Catholic teaching, he added. "I don't think any student comes to a Catholic campus thinking this is their forum to change the Church".

However, Catholic and non-Catholic students at Georgetown University have formed Hoyas for Choice, which is pressing the school to distribute condoms and be more open about sexual issues.

"The biggest problem is that sex isn't talked about", said Marlo Huang, 21, of Los Angeles, who will be a senior this fall. "It's ridiculous to pretend that college students don't have sex".

Sources: St. Louis Post-Dispatch; Associated Press.



55 posted on 12/05/2002 7:08:50 AM PST by cebadams
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To: cebadams
Thanks for the article. SLU knew about the CFFC report last August, and there is still to be any deep change. There is simply spin control at this point.

Also, now I got the new Association of Students at Catholic Colleges getting involved. The newly formed organization holds promise for being active in these sorts of things. Their new website (not yet complete) is here:

http://www.catholiccollegestudents.org

56 posted on 12/05/2002 7:17:54 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: cebadams
Winkler said the Catholic school believes unmarried students should be chaste, but noted 40 percent of Aquinas's 2,100 students are not Catholic.

Gee, sorry. You go to Catholic schools, you play by our rules. No one's forcing you to be there.
57 posted on 12/05/2002 7:22:15 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: cebadams
GREAT find. This sentence irritates me to no end: "Clearly, the provision of contraception is a contentious issue on Catholic university campuses, with health care providers torn between responsibility to the students' health and well-being and Catholic doctrine".

Catholic doctrine DOES protect a students' "health and well-being". Why do they think that a promiscuous lifestyle with all the wonderful things that go along with it like STD's, emotional turmoil, unplanned pregnancies, etc, promotes "health and well-being". If you follow Catholic doctrine, you won't have to worry about AIDS and dying, you won't have to worry about getting pregnant out of wedlock, and a host of other things.

Such bias!

58 posted on 12/05/2002 9:12:43 AM PST by Gophack
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To: cebadams
Winkler said the Catholic school believes unmarried students should be chaste, but noted 40 percent of Aquinas's 2,100 students are not Catholic.

So? Everyone who chooses to attend a Catholic school should abide by the Catholic doctrines, and chastity is among them.

59 posted on 12/05/2002 9:13:53 AM PST by Gophack
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To: Gophack; cebadams; Desdemona; Polycarp; Salvation
Mark shea has now included the cause on his blog "Catholic and Enjoying It" http://www.markshea.blogspot.com/

It was from Shea's blog that I first learned of USF's depraved activity.

Hopefully, more people will keep writing in.

60 posted on 12/05/2002 11:03:16 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: pseudo-justin
I received these comments from a friend who forwarded my letter to a Catholic email list:

Similarly, the Benedictine-run College of Saint Scholastica in Duluth, Minnesota, has a cozy relationship with the local Planned Parenthood goons:

http://members.wri.com/billw/blog/archives/000483.shtml

From a promotional page (!) at their website, we have "What can I do with an undergraduate degree in psychology from St. Scholastica?":

Mary Poepping ('94), Regional Manager for the Central Region of Planned Parenthood in Brainerd.

And lucky psych undergrads at St. Scholastica can do an internship at the local abortuary as a "Sexuality Educator/Health Care Assistant".

61 posted on 12/05/2002 11:33:30 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Thanks Polycarp for the info.

If anyone else can gather similar nonsense about "Catholic" Colleges and Universities, please send it to me. Your research efforts will payoff...

62 posted on 12/05/2002 11:50:06 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: pseudo-justin
It's one thing to get one of these Colleges to remove an offensive link from their web pages and quite another to get them to change their attitudes.

I am glad to see all the involvement from so many people to do the former. But we must not think we have won anything until the later is accomplished.
63 posted on 12/05/2002 12:29:58 PM PST by cebadams
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To: pseudo-justin
Just to let you know, Mark Shea posted a link to this thread on his weblog. Hopefully the mention will garner more e-mail.

Thanks for the alert... I've e-mailed the parties you mention.

64 posted on 12/05/2002 12:35:14 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
see #60, and thank you
65 posted on 12/05/2002 1:06:32 PM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: BlackElk
Great job, all, on the USF e-mail campaign. Would like to post a correction, however, as a Boston College loyalist: BC does not make abortion referrals or send students to Planned Parenthood from its health services website.
66 posted on 12/05/2002 1:22:16 PM PST by moropus
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To: BlackElk
Actually, the SJ is being replaced (IMVHO), by the Legionaires of Christ .

I would get fund raising letters from them complaining about their "vocations crisis" . They didn't have enough room to handle all their applicants .
67 posted on 12/05/2002 3:35:19 PM PST by dadwags
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To: Gophack
Have Youall considered "Home Scholing" ? Of course, that requires a super dedicated stay at home mother , and access to home-school web sites .
68 posted on 12/05/2002 3:39:34 PM PST by dadwags
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To: dadwags
I have seriously considered home schooling, but I work full-time and right now we can't afford for me to quit. We're working on it, though, because we're expecting a baby in the spring.

However, I have been pleased with the quality of education and the school is non-profit, and almost as inexpensive as the Catholic School (though the Catholic School is further away). My older daughter is exceptionally bright and is thriving in school, and placed in an advanced class. While I'm pretty bright and got straight A's in school, I'm not a very good instructor and I don't have a lot of patience with some things (for example, homework time is very difficult in my home!) I have far more patience for loud, playing kids, messy rooms, and water fights than making kids sit down to do homework!

My second daughter is incredibly social and thrives in school as well. She has a speaking part in the Christmas play, and those kind of things we would miss out on if I homeschooled.

Anyway, it's in the back of my mind and I'm still considering it. I have many friends who homeschool, some who still do and some who quit for different reasons. And, even if I am able to quit my regular job, I'll have to take in work to my home to make ends meet.

I commend all mothers (and fathers!) who homeschool. They are doing a great service for their children. But I'm happy with the education at my kids' school -- I just want to make sure I keep them grounded in their Catholic faith so they don't get indoctrinated by Protestant untruths.

69 posted on 12/05/2002 6:55:47 PM PST by Gophack
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To: pseudo-justin
Thanks! They'll all be hearing from me.
70 posted on 12/05/2002 8:49:04 PM PST by lara
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To: lara; Diago; BeforeISleep; cebadams; Desdemona; Polycarp; Salvation; american colleen; patent; ...
Well folks, we have something of a victory -- go check out the USF site now. The links have been removed and they have posted a note saying "This site is currently under review"

http://www.usfca.edu/shep/pregnancy.htm

We shall see how long this lasts...and where it goes, but at least the links are removed for now. They are feeling the heat.

Much thanks to all who contributed.

A member of the Association of Students at Catholic Colleges writes to me this:"Last night I e-mailed Fr. Privett, told him that any referrals in the direction of abortion were unacceptable, and gave him a list of about six pro-life pregnancy help centers in San Francisco, San Jose and Oakland. He responded today, saying that the university fully agrees with the Churches teachings on abortion and that he would have the head of student services look into it."

I thought that was a good idea, to show them that there are a number of ways to achieve the same ends without using evil means.

Nonetheless, please have people continue to e-mail the leadership in San Fran...the more heat the better.

71 posted on 12/06/2002 8:15:07 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: pseudo-justin
Thanks for the update
72 posted on 12/06/2002 8:35:50 AM PST by firewalk
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To: pseudo-justin
Nonetheless, please have people continue to e-mail the leadership in San Fran...the more heat the better.

Good news. Do you know how to reach any student prolife organization at SFU? We should be including them on our correspondence to the administration staffs.

73 posted on 12/06/2002 12:15:08 PM PST by cebadams
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To: cebadams
Do you know how to reach any student prolife organization at SFU? We should be including them on our correspondence to the administration staffs.

I do not have the addresses myself, but I am sure that the USF members of the ASCC are on it...that they have been in touch with those groups, if there are any.

74 posted on 12/06/2002 12:28:52 PM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: ThanksBTTT
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75 posted on 12/06/2002 6:22:39 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Maximilian
Thanks for making clear that connection.
76 posted on 12/06/2002 6:41:13 PM PST by Askel5
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CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY WEBSITE REMOVES ABORTION REFERRAL LINK AFTER LIFESITE
STORY
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/dec/02120601.html
SAN FRANCISCO, December 6, 2002 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Just hours after
LifeSite released the story on the Catholic Jesuit University of San
Francisco website links to abortion services, the webpage in question was
altered.

The pregnancy website aimed at students, which had linked to a Planned
Parenthood abortuary, now says: "This portion of the web site is currently
being reviewed. For pregnancy information or resources, please contact the
Student Health Education Program at 422-6702 or the Counseling Center at
422-6352."

Prior to the LifeSite release of the story, LifeSite alerted the California
Pro-Life Council a California affiliate of National Right to Life and other
pro-lifers who notified the university of their displeasure. Hilary White of
Campaign Life Catholic commented to LifeSite saying: "It is important for
organizations using the name Catholic to remember that pro-life activism has
an effect and therefore they must live up to the high moral standards
demanded by the faith the name stands for."

See the LifeSite coverage:
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANCISCO PROVIDES ABORTION REFERRALS ON WEBSITE
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/dec/02120503.html

See the altered website:
http://www.usfca.edu/shep/pregnancy.htm

77 posted on 12/06/2002 8:30:53 PM PST by victim soul
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The new phone number is for the person who put up the links to abortion clinics in the first place, Melissa Kendrick. I don't think her personal phone advice to women in crisis pregnancies at USF will be any different from those she would refer people to. Ms. Kendrick also is responsible for recruiting and educating health education student "peers" on campus who are likely educated to spread her and Fr. Privett's disdain for human life.

Another shocking link at USF, fully and publicly supported by Fr. Privett:

www.usfca.edu/allies

USF will train you as an ally of the lgbt community to despise the church's teaching on homosexuality and battle heterosexism (download training manual). Also, helpful links for lgbt and questioning students including gay pick up places, porn, info on the best way to get a sex change and a listing of age of consent in various states and foreign countries.
78 posted on 12/06/2002 9:42:08 PM PST by fogcutter
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Everybody call the number on the site, ask for Melissa Kendrick and ask hard questions. Thanks for the link to the "Allies" group...Let's get to work on that next. E-mail Bishop Levada & Privett... ask why they do not have a "Courage" group on campus.

Thanks for battling for our "Catholic" Universities.

79 posted on 12/07/2002 9:52:34 AM PST by pseudo-justin
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To: pseudo-justin
Update:

SFU [Catholic] removes abortion referral link after lifesite

80 posted on 12/07/2002 10:18:55 AM PST by Salvation
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To: pseudo-justin
Update:

SFU [Catholic] removes abortion referral link after lifesite

81 posted on 12/07/2002 10:19:15 AM PST by Salvation
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To: pseudo-justin
Sorry about the double update!
82 posted on 12/07/2002 10:19:57 AM PST by Salvation
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Pope Says Universities that Flout Church Teaching on Abortion Are Not Catholic

83 posted on 12/07/2002 9:23:42 PM PST by Salvation
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To: Maximilian
As a matter of secular argument, the societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective sacrifice to pagan idols.

But isn't it nice, that as an atheist who sees abortion as ritual murder, I can debate the topic within the Republican party and actually have a voice on the issue? This would not happen in the Demo-rat party, where I would be forced into a lock-step with the annointed to support their idolatry of ritual murder on a pagan altar...
84 posted on 12/09/2002 8:59:09 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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Surprised to see you pop up on this thread. I read some of your Halloween posts which were giving the Christian trick-or-treaters fits. Let me say that my children didn't celebrate Halloween this year for the first time, and those threads were one contributing factor. Also read the fascinating post regarding the history of your namesake.

as an atheist who sees abortion as ritual murder

Your earlier posts gave me the impression that you might view abortion as ritual murder from the point of view of supporting it. Wasn't Sir Francis Dashwood involved in all sorts of occult activities, if my memory of your post serves me correctly?

But isn't it nice, that as an atheist who sees abortion as ritual murder, I can debate the topic within the Republican party and actually have a voice on the issue?

I have to question the idea that it's "nice" to debate ritual murder. One would think that it's the kind of thing that you're either for or against. Like worship of Beelzebub. I wonder if "debate" is really called for.

85 posted on 12/10/2002 11:45:47 AM PST by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
Let me say that my children didn't celebrate Halloween this year for the first time, and those threads were one contributing factor.

Good. You're a thinking man. One reason I visit this place is for those who can think. Why poison the young mind and body with comic book pop-culture mentalities of prime time television and garbage food? (Plato's Cave Allegory?)

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Your earlier posts gave me the impression that you might view abortion as ritual murder from the point of view of supporting it.

Adolf Hitler used ritual mass murder, why would any sane person support that? Hitler was a Teutonic pagan, his idolatry was an idea of a master race. Every person murdered was a sacrifice to that pagan totem. Abortion is no different.

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I have to question the idea that it's "nice" to debate ritual murder.

Nice to have the opportunity to debate it within a political party and advocate ending the grisly practice. Societal summary execution is in no man's best interest, atheist or not.

As for my "namesake," it is irrelevant to the issue. Just an interesting tid-bit of history, if you like Ben Franklin. What would you call an "occult" practice?

I am glad you chose to comment here. Both of the issues are analagous on an existentialist and materialist level.

You should also note, that although I am an atheist, I used two Christian philosophers to support my position(s):

1. Kierkegaard, Søren. The Sickness Unto Death. Trans. Alastair Hannay. New York : Penguin, 1989.

2. Hobbes, Thomas. Leviathan: with selected variants from the Latin edition of 1668. Ed. Edwin Curley. Indianapolis: Hackett, 1994.

I encourage you to do an in forum search of my screen name and visit my FR homepage or this thread Ethereal Explorations. I welcome literary criticism.

86 posted on 12/10/2002 8:46:12 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood
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