The Question of God

There is enough credit and blame for protestant and Catholic concerning the Jewish Question.

Einstein left Germany in December 1932, a month before the Hitler takeover.

Arthur C. Cochrane, The Church's Confess ion under Hitler (Philadelphia: The Westminster Press, 1962)

Wilhelm Niemoller in Kampi und Zeugnis der bekennenden Kirche - Struggle and Testimony of the Confessing Church

Simon Wiesenthal Center Multimedia Learning Center Online From the Protestant side, the basis for opposition to nazism was developed in the 1934 Barmen Theological Declaration approved at the first synod of the United Evangelical church (or Confessing Church) in Germany. Its aim was to counteract the errors of the so called "German Christians" (those Christians who positively identified themselves with the Nazi programs on religious grounds) and the Reich church government.

The Confessing Church in Germany also provided temporary asylum for Jews, becoming, in effect, stations on an underground railway leading to the safety of neutral Switzerland.

Despite the different interpretations, a few directions seem clear: (1) an overwhelming majority of Christian clergy acquiesced in the destruction of European Jews; (2) church leaders were unable to mount a successful effort against the Nazis. This bears serious reflection for the continuing struggles which the churches face in the contemporary world; (3) the church's self- understanding and its own sufferings under the Nazis were far too isolated from the sufferings of non-Christians, Jews in particular, to whom suffering meant death. Why did the churches raise the issue of Nazi murder of "baptized" Jews to the exclusion of the Jewish people at large?; (4) the churches were far too connected with the dynamics of German society to really stand in Judgment against it; (5) the Jewish Question could not be adequately addressed because of the long-standing theological tradition of anti-Judaism in the churches. This tradition must be obliterated once and for all by the post-Holocaust Christian community; (6) the churches, which will never regain the kind of control over society they once had, must reflect anew on how to combat totalitarian power. Where are their primary resources in such a context?; and, finally, (7) the churches' fear of communism blinded them to all other forms of totalitarian oppression. Is there danger of repetition in our day? Our Secularist Democratic Party (Long, Important Analysis)

Also see:CATHOLIC LEAGUE Pius XII and the Holocaust

<> With all due respect, I think it rather an iffy proposition to expect a Church to stop Hitler.

The Pope's record re WW2 is remarkable.

I leave it to others to engage in presentism in moral casuistry re culpability/complicity concerning the Pope during WW2.

The record of the Pope is clear. Atempting to "blame" him re Hitler is despicable.

ALL Popes, since Pentecost, have been crystal clear re sexual morality and I have yet to see the world pay heed to their Teaching authority.

Iffy INSANE proposition to expect a Church to stop Hitler

'Upon this Rock I shall build my church'

The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail

This curious statement is found in Matthew 16:18,

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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Germany had no church; and/or Hitler was not equivalent to "the gates of hell."
Germany had an apostate church and Hitler was equivalent to "the gates of hell."
- It is not an INSANE proposition to expect a CHURCH to preclude a Hitler.
1. Are we precluding Killary Klinton? Our Secularist Democratic Party (Long, Important Analysis)

Germany had no church; and/or Hitler was not equivalent to "the gates of hell."

<> There was a Catholic Church in Germany. It was not run by the Govt.<>

Germany had an apostate church and Hitler was equivalent to "the gates of hell."

<> THe Catholic Church in Germany was faithful.Individual members of that Catholic Chuch were not<>

It is not an INSANE proposition to expect a CHURCH to preclude a Hitler.

<>. It IS insane to expect a Church to stop a Hitler...Free Will....Judas betrayed Jesus. Besides, Hitler was not a Catholic. To be Catholic, one must maintain the Bonds of Unity in Worship, Doctrine, Authority. Hitler rejcted all three. Hitler was not a Christian. <>

It was not run by the Govt

Didn't have to be to PRECLUDE Hitler.

THe Catholic Church in Germany was faithful

Just like the Confessing Church was in PRECLUDING...United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Homosexuality and the Nazi Party, REVIEW

These men were viciously anti-Jew and anti-Christian because of the injunctions against homosexuality inherent in the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.

While the neo-pagans were busy attacking from without, liberal theologians undermined Biblical authority from within the Christian church. The school of so-called "higher criticism," which began in Germany in the late 1800s, portrayed the miracles of God as myths; by implication making true believers (Jew and Christian alike) into fools. And since the Bible was no longer accepted as God's divine and inerrant guide, it could be ignored or reinterpreted. By the time the Nazis came to power, "Bible-believing" Christians, (the Confessing Church) were a small minority.

It is in this campaign against Judeo- Christian morality that we find the reason for the German people's acceptance of Nazism's most extreme atrocities. Their religious foundations had been systematically eroded over a period of decades by powerful social forces.

The probable reason for Hitler's attack on Christianity was his perception that it alone had the moral authority to stop the Nazi movement. But Christians stumbled before the flood of evil. As Poliakov notes, "[W]hen moral barriers collapsed under the impact of Nazi preaching...the same anti-Semitic movement that led to the slaughter of the Jews gave scope and license to an obscene revolt against God and the moral law.

<>I find your Christian-baiting despicable.

There is not a single Synagogue, Church, Mosque, existing, or that ever existed that PRECLUDES the existence of those who desire to act as their Will dictates.

Ping God and ask Him why He didn't PRECLUDE Hitler.... or Stalin (he killed more'n Hitler).....or Mao (He killed more'n Hitler and Stalin).

I challenge you to find a SINGLE Magisterial Document, Catechism, Encyclical, Ecumenical Council Document that supports ONE of your bigoted charges.

I have already said some INDIVIDUAL Christians acted atrociously. Did some Jews also act atrociously in re Hitler?<>

Oh, calm down.

I find your Christian-baiting despicable.

I'm not baiting or debating you.

PRECLUDES the ~~existence~~ takeover, via elections, of democratic societies and governments.

What do Priests for Life Index and American Life League - Life Issues advocate? Same thing Anti Abortion and Pro Life group 'Jews For Life' advocates, which is stopping the present holocaust Death as Deliverance: Euthanatic Thinking in Germany ca. 1890-1933 Writing in 1989, the late Cardinal John O'Connor of New York City, an ardent pro-life advocate, predicted that euthanasia would "dwarf the abortion phenomenon in magnitude, in numbers, in horror." and attempting to PRECLUDE it's logical progression - euthanasia.

Abortion as "Shedding Innocent Blood" & Lessons Toward Repentance ... claims ALL Protestants, Catholics and Jews are not converted/committed to the pro-life cause. World quotes R.C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries: "One of the greatest travesties of the church is its silence on abortion, particularly the evangelical church."

A collection of quotes from the Founding FathersThe Importance of Morality and Religion in Government indicates that Christians should practice what is preached and in so doing be the Salt and Light (Matthew 5:13-16) of society.

Imagine the state of this nation 5 years from now, if you exiled/expelled all the social conservative Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox Jews today.

Sept. 2, 2000 ,Volume 15, Number 34 WORLD ON THE WEB, Marvin Olasky

Perhaps the most observant current viewer of Christophobia is not a Christian but an Orthodox Jewish rabbi. Daniel Lapin wrote in his book, America's Real War, "The educational bureaucracy expects the state to accommodate every possible bizarre cultural mutation and lifestyle, but finds prayer at graduation an intolerable and fatal compromise of state neutrality toward religion." Why else would such illogic reign if fear were not involved?

Some Jewish leaders would point to the Holocaust to say that their fear has an objective basis, yet the faith that animated Hitler was not Christianity but a racist version of Social Darwinism's emphasis on survival of the fittest. And the reason Hitler could put his faith into practice is because of a powerful government apparatus; although the left hates to admit it, National Socialism was one type of socialism.

That's why Rabbi Lapin's fearless statement makes sense: "Those of us who venerate freedom, be we Jewish or Christian, be we religious or secularized, have no option but to pray for the health of Christianity in America. No other group possesses both the faith and the numbers sufficient to hold back the ever-encroaching, sometimes sinister, power of the state."

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