Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[A.J.Armitage]

What's In a (Utah) Name?

by Cari Bilyeu Clark

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When my husband and I moved from Utah to the Washington, D.C. area seventeen years ago, we knew nothing of the inadvertent legacy we carried from our four years in Utah. Shortly after we arrived in our new home, we saw a television commercial for a local grocery store chain. The spokeswoman's name was the unusual "Odonna." "She's gotta be from Utah," I said to my husband. "That's a Utah name if I ever heard one."

We eventually learned that Odonna was, indeed, Utah born and bred.

It dawned on us that many names we'd heard during our college careers, and found only mildly remarkable, were indeed unique to the Utah Mormon culture. Thus began our quest to define what makes some names singularly Utahn, and what sets them apart from ethnic names with roots in other cultures, such as Juanita or Shoshanna; or African-American names such as Tawanda and Shaquille; or the newly common, soap-operaesque handles such as Skylar, Tiffany, Raven, and Adrienne. There's a difference, and it's not just the obviously Mormon scriptural names like Mahonri or Nephi or Moroni. Often identifying a Utah name is a gut feeling akin to Justice Potter Stewart's definition of pornography: you know it when you see it.

The quintessential Utah name often has a French-sounding prefix such as Le-, La-, Ne-, or Va-. Often names appear to have genesis in the combined names of the parents--Veradeane or GlenDora, for example. Related is the practice of feminizing the father's name--as in Vonda (dad is Vaughan) or Danetta. Others, such as Snell or Houser, appear to be surnames called into service as first names.

Related is the curious tendency, more common in Utah than elsewhere, for men (women do not seem to do this) to use the first initial, then the full middle name as the given name, such as L. Flake Roberts, who ran for office in Utah County when we lived there. (Come on, you've noticed this habit among the general authorities of the LDS church!) Besides puzzling over why someone would want to be known as "Flake," it makes one wonder just what the "L" stands for.

[Hmmmm. Where have we heard about that before? --A.J.]

So my husband and I entertained ourselves by collecting the often bizarre names we found in Utah publications (including the obituaries, which indicates that this is not a recent fad) and of Utah natives we met. We compiled a list and shared it with our friends, who often as not had a few more to add. We really hit a bonanza when one woman shared our observations with her mother, who worked at a Utah bank and had access to lots of names. She started her own list and began sending the names to us. (My personal favorite, LaNondus, came from this source.) Another friend told us of a set of sisters, all of whose names began with "Ja."

Once my husband had Internet access, he collected more names and corresponded with another couple who amused themselves the same way. They made cleverly categorized lists: "The ward choir director's daughters: LaVoice, Choral, Audia."

It makes you wonder what some parents were thinking when, for instance, they named their baby girl Lanae (la-nay)--and she unfortunately ended up with a big nose (le nez [la-nay] in French means "the nose"). Or the girl named M'Lu--are clever wags endlessly asking her to skip to it? And how the heck do people with apostrophes in their names fill out computerized forms? There's no apostrophe space. The guy I really pity, though, is the one saddled with the unfortunate moniker, Rube.

Of course, parents cannot predict what new interpretations the marketplace will bring to the names they lovingly bestow on their offspring. I once worked at a company which had dealings with a woman named LaPriel (pronounced la-prell). When I told my former roommate about this inexplicable first name, she sardonically replied, "What's her sister's name--LaTegrin?"

With the generally larger-than-average family, often saddled with the very ordinary surnames Smith, Johnson, or Young, it's not surprising that many Utah parents look for unique given names for their children. When you throw in the reverence for family and ancestors forwarded by the LDS Church, it seems inevitable that someone would end up with LaEarl, KDell, Arnolene or Hariella.

Some names, though, seem to defy description--if not pronunciation. While pride of place may have spawned Utahna, how did somebody come up with Wealtha? And while Lloydine's genesis seems plausible, how on earth were Printha or Noy coined? And I have no idea what constitutes the correct pronunciation for Kairle or Tawhnye. (I suspect they may be wildly creative spellings of Carol and Tonya.)

Perhaps the following list (by no means comprehensive) will amuse you. Perhaps it will offend you. Perhaps you will find your name, or the name of a relative, on it. Or perhaps you will be so enchanted by a particular name that you'll want to bestow it upon one of your own offspring. If that is your plan, first do this: go to the back door, fling it open and yell the name at the top of your lungs six or eight times, because that's how it's going to be heard for the next eighteen years. And remember, when little Wynante (boy or girl, you choose) grows up, you'll have to live with the consequences.

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The Cream of the Crop

The Clarks' Favorite Utah Names

Updated 24 January 2003

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The new parents couldn't be happier: Gladell & Delightra (sisters), Luvit, Delecta, Delite, Joyette, Joi, Joyia, Joyellen, Joycell, Hallah Lujah [How about Hallah Back Y'all? --A.J.], Bliss, Joyanne

Cleanliness is next to Godliness: Zestpoole, Sparkle

The Ward Choir Director's Daughters: Aria, Audia, Aurel, Choral, LaVoice, Tonilee, Capella, Chime, Rocksan Violin

Jewels every one: Amulet, Pearlette, Pearlene, Emerald, JewlyAnn, Ahmre Jade, Treasure Tonya, Turquoise Nova, Sequin, Amethist.

Girls you just know have big, floofy hair: Blondeen, Rayette, Faundaree, Shazette, Shasheena, Honilynn, Najestica, Teasa, Shazzanna, Pluma, Bobbette, Blonda, Breezy, Wenderella, Aquanetta, Brinderella, Dazzlyn

Maybe they're in the Klingon Ward: Tchae, Xko, Corx, G'ni, Vvhs, Garn, Ka, Deauxti, Xymoya, Sha'Kira [Her older sister is called Macare'na.], Zy, Xela, Tscharna, Nivek, Zon'tl, Zagg, Xan, Judziah Datz (a female, named after a character in Star Trek), K'lar (ditto), Jarna Nazhalena, Chod, Xarek, Grik, Stod, T'Shara, Tral, Sherik, Curg

[I am Krang the Merciless!! And I'm a Mormon!]

The Worth of a Soul: Cashley

Astronomical: LeVoid, Sunan, Moonyene, Starlene, Sunelly, Luna, Lunia, Solinda, Sunirae, Staryl, Marandastarr, Season, Aries, Starlyn, Cressent, Celestial Starr, Summerlyn, Astrolena

Could only be LDS: Cumorah Hill, Liahonna, Ensign, Nauvoo, Kirtland, Templa, Templer, Tempella, Tempalia, Ziona, Deseret (and Desereta), Tabernacle, Woodruff, Pratt, Tithing, Quorum, Helamans Warrior, Iron Rod, Morona, Manti, Stripling, Nephi Courage, Celestial Glory, Celestian, Brighaminie, Zion, Xione (pronounced "zion")

Parents were BYU math majors: Alpha Mae, Seven, Seavenly, Twenty, Prime, Omega Lee, Jennyfivetina, Tenna [Mormon porn star: Tenna Tameson.], Elevena, Ninea, Eighta

[How would you like to be named after your birth order?]

You can name a kid this, but you shouldn't ingest it: Cola, Vinyl, Orlon, Chlorine, Clorene, Florene, Florine, Lexann, Dow, Tide, Downy, Codiene, Daquari, DeCon, Starbuck, Crayon, Treasure Cocaine

[Classy. Real classy.]

Names inspired by the family car: Audi, Fairlene, Celecta, Pontiac, Vonda, Vonza, Auto, Cherokee, Lexus, Porsche, Skylark, Truckston, Avis, Chevrollette, Chevonne, Caprice, Dodge

["Honey, nothing says class like Lexus. Now go make some jello."]

Wishful thinking: Darlin', Courage, Winsome, Justan Tru, Pictorianna, Paradise Sunrise, Sage, Angelic, Breed, Godlove, Myrth, LaVirgin, DeFonda Virtue, Chastice, Normalene, Lovie Angel, Precious Blessing, Heavenly Melanie, Glee, Mormon Beauty, Pledger, Jentill, Devota, Coy, Fondd, Bridella, Verna Noall, Vervine, Viva, Golden Noble, MarVel, MemRee, Brunette, Merrily, Merry Ann, Celestial, Cherrish, Kash, Cashelle, Teton, Forever, Luvit, Mystiq, Worthy, Truly, Pleasant, Speedy, Hereditary, Shrudilee, Halo, Gentry, Truthanne, Finita, Mavryck, Amen, Merrijane, Marvelous Man.

Dad's hobby is obvious: Justa Cowgirl, Rode O, Hazer, Durango, Rifle, Laker, Jazz, Truck. Granite, Garnet, Gneiss (and other sisters with rock names beginning with “G.”)

Conversational: Whisper, Chat

Indications of possible birthplace: Arizonia, Floria, Montania, Utah, Utahna, Idahana, Idaho, Mauntana [Flunk spelling, name you kid Mauntana. Study hard!], Michigan, Nevadna, Okla, Vermont, Wyoming, Wyoma, Cache, Jordana, Payson, Vernal, Boise, Brookelynn, Lexington, Demoyn, Fredonia, Leremy, Platte, Salina, Seattle, Takoma, Tulsa, Tustin, Vail, Lundyn, Londyn, Irelynd, Irelan, Madrid, Manila, Cairo, Damascus, Tyre, Desert, Shahara, Trinidad, Houston, Cachelyn, D'Asia, Edon, Takoda, Orem, Shannon doah, Davenport Shore

No man (or woman) is an island - exceptions: Oahu, Irlanda, Tonga, SeaBreaze, Tiki Lou

Possible conception placenames: Hilton, Nafeteria, Bridges, Castle

Indications of possible birthdates: Juneth, Junola, LaJune, Julyn, Halloween, Novella, Summerisa, Winnter, Christmas Holiday, Merrienoel, Kris Miss, Tuesdee, Aprella

The day dawn is breaking: Dawnae, Dawnia, Dawnel, Dawnelle, Dawnene, Dawnalyn, Dawnette, Karadawn, RaDawn, Keturah Dawn, SheriDawn, LuDawn, LaDawn, Le Dawn, El Dawn, Dawnetta, Dawnese, Mistidawn, Berva Dawn, Celestial Dawn, Bodawn, Honey Dawn, Sunrise, Dawny, Yodawn, Dawnika, Dawnray, Denverly Dawn, Sunni Dawn, Dusty Dawn, Taradawn, Twyla Dawn, Georgia Dawn, Iva Dawn, Marva Dawn

Dad was a plumber: Valva, BeDae, Latrina, La Jonne, Digger

Dad worked for the postal service: Mailene

Dad's a lawyer: Justicia

Dad had a hernia: Truss

Less is more: La, Oa, NB, T, M, Q, JJ

I hope the computer will accept apostrophes in the name fields: D'Ann, D'Aun, D'Bora, D'Dee, D'Elise, D'Loaf, D'Shara, E'all, L'Deane, L'orL, Ja'mon, J'Costa, J'dean, J'Leen, J'net, J'Shara, J'Vonna, La'Donis, Me'shell, M'Jean, M'Kaaylie, M'Kenna, Mi'Lara, M'Lisa, M'Liss, M'Lu, M'Recia, O'lea, R'dell, R'lene, Shan'l, Young'n, B'andra, De'lys, D'Dree

["And the called her... O'Lestra. She had the runs a lot."]

Future names of prescriptions: Lyravin, Monalaine, Nyleen, Merlaine, Monease, Naquel, Ronalene, Nylan, Rolayne, Tyron, Lexine, Lyrin, Mikatin, Artax, Xtrin, Tylene, Qedrin, Tamrin, Denilyn, Kevrin, Nicolin, Xylan, Tolex, Zylan, Daycal, Falycid, Zerin, Davon, Sydal

Wow! What a Babe!: Wavie, Zhalore, LaTanna, Tressa, LaDreama, Amourette

Fluid-related: Thermos, Soda, Logan River, Jordan River, Susquehannah, Canteen

When simple alphabetic characters aren't enough: K-8 (pronounced "Kate," I guess)

[Kids: that's happens when you're illiterate. Stay in school!]

Politically incorrect: Sambo, Aryion

[Maybe they weren't thinking "Aryan", but "Arian". Heretics gotta stick together!]

Heard chanted in the Salt Lake airport: Ara-Om

Has food connotations: Dianarea, Dicey, Vindalu, Blenda, Strawberry, Sugarlee, Beena, Pork Chop, Sesami, Jar, Karmel, Kresent, TaffiLyn, Chipo

Had breathing problems in the hospital nursery: Azure, Syrullean

You might find in a forest: Wrendie, Jilbear, Timber, Oaks, Pixie, LaFawnduh, Fawn-Dew, Ember, Bird, Magpie, Serenity Fawn, Paradi, L'Aire, Brookelle, Sylvan, Fawna, Lawn, Rain, Gazelle, El Fawn ["El" makes it masculine, "Fawn" makes it girly-poofy. El Fawn: expressing pride from Salt Lake City to San Francisco.], Aspen, Acacia, Panda, Briar, Rhodendra, Fernnola, Birdene, Hummingbird, Disney, Chinchilla Zest, Haven, Glade

No doubt about it, this kid's in charge: Rexina, Rexine, Queenola, Dominee, Ruger, Messiah Angel, Oden, RexDee, Navy, Jentry, Czar, LeeMaster, Quintessa, Marquessa, Leviathan, Captain.

Smells: Cachet, Reaka, Violeet, Avon, Budla

Faux ethnic: Laddie, Walkasheaqua, Bsjonet, Hishla, Chilnecha, Forthilda, Kaltighanna, Alainka, Chip-wa, Pawnece America, Zem Saxon, O'Ann, WaThene, Sheighlagh, Valliere

Commemorating something or another: Welcome Exile, Confederate American, Southern Justice, Liberty Lulu, Young Elizabeth, Genesis, MistiNoele, Imagine, Thankful Flood, Friends Forsaken, Joyous Noel, Tennyson, Knight Train, Miracles Precious One, Sunday's Hoseana, Disney, Blessing Ream, Stormy Shepherd, Denim Levi, Vernal Independence, Sincere Devotion, Mothers, Elvoid, Noah-Lot, Mormon Miracles, MyLae, Nightrain Lane, Zion Anakin, Jeopardee, Statehood, Denim Levi

Let's hope not: Rube, Sleeza, Nymphus, Golden P., Burns, Hydra, Non, Malis, Talon, Beefea, Patches, Storm, Slayer, Sterile, Slaughter, Jynx, Hyde, Prynne, StormiAnn, Sham, Apathy, DeRail, Dull, Gamble

In a class of their own (In fact, I'm not sure I believe these but we asked for details and a confirmation and got convincing replies, so here they are): NaLa'DeLuhRay, Phakelikaydenicia, Zaragrunudgeyon ("Zarg," for short), Jennyfivetina, Tiarrhea, Nudity, VulvaMae, DaLinda LaDale, Tugdick, Saunsceneyouray, and, yes... Clitoris.

["Well, it sounded pretty when the doctor said it, and my wife Placenta likes it."]

Teletubbies: Laalaa

Guaranteed to get last place on our list (or anyone else's): ZZkora

I can't think of anything clever to write but these must be mentioned: Barbeli, Revo Cram, Feramorz, Glint, LaNondus, Wynante, Camera, Lecoya, AureJudd, NaNon, Bimberly, DavidO, Leumas ("Samuel" backwards), Ralphene, Shimber, T-vive, Synthi, CoJane, Nona-rene, Gaylawn, Txanton, LaZello, Daycal, Sancie D'Wan, RaVoe, Zenus, Gatobon, LaEarl, Trystal, AndiOdette, Serenity-Tabitha-Ann, Alexavier, X Y Zella, Bonquisha, Musser Cenia, Jubeltine, Oryeon, Shlori, Danlonaga, Zedwain, Casualeen, Young'n, Shambertine Crille, Canon, Malique, LeeWitt, Jazzeri, DeRaunz, Teru, Aaro, Divid, Cimemthymia, LaDonnaJosephrania, LaDeeDee, deRalph, MaddLynAlain, Vyquetoriya, Falycid, Rophis, Mick BonScott, Kaysional Tempest, Darianlelo, DeLaVerne, BoChe', Minnet, Kandle, Seena Tawnya, Dwodger, J Thoral, Xanderrick, Abcde, KNikkol, Demeatrice, LLean Shanalyn, Scytha Solena, HiDee

[Illbay]

In this case, you simply have no concept what you're talking about. This is why modern revelation is so essential, for the scriptures are not for personal interpretation.

"Paradise" is not heaven. Rather, it is a place where spirits go to await final judgement. How "Chri$tian$" can simultaneously believe in the day of Judgement, and in "instant judgement" (as in the thief on the cross) is but another example of the mass of confusion you're forced to swallow because of hundreds of years of benighted orthodoxy.

In short, Christ NEVER told the thief that He was to have "eternal life" (that is, life eternal in the place were His Father dwells) but that he would be with Christ in the place of the Spirits, when "also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" (Chri$tian$ ignore that scripture; they can't understand it, so they resort to the subset of the Bible called their silly "orthodoxy") "...Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." [1 Peter 3:19-20).

In short it isn't that Christ was a liar, but that you and most of the rest of Chri$tendom don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss. In your case and the case of millions of other darkened minds, it is hell.

[Illbay]

I think the Lord only expects 10%; a "tithe" as it were.

Here you go again, calling Christ "a liar" when He said "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect." [Matt. 5:48]

Ah, but I know that Chri$tians will say that you only have to be "perfect" the last few seconds of your life.

What darkened minds. It staggers the imagination.

[Illbay]

Amazing how little YOU know that "Mormons" believe.

In the case of your sermon, the thought is correct.

In the case of official Chri$tendom, however, you can sit at home reading a porn magazine, but SAY that you're going to go down to the water "real soon now."

When the heart attack strikes, you can state out loud that you had every intention of going to the beach, but this darn ol' death thing has interrupted you.

Then you'll be with the Lord in "Paradise" (wherever that is; you people certainly don't have a clue).

[Illbay]

Are you willing to follow Jesus wherever he leads you -- even if he leads you out of the LDS Church?

You've already demonstrated that you are unwilling to follow him. Some flashy Chri$tian minister, perhaps, with gold rings on his fingers and his own TV station, but not Christ.

If you were willing to follow him, the last thing you'd be doing is persecuting His Church.

I PROMISE, I will try hard NOT to laugh on that day! I really will! (I am sure thankful that repentence is possible!)

[Illbay]

Keep this in mind, I had the same testimony of the truthfulness of the LDS Church that you have. But the Jesus that saved me from my sins led me away from the LDS Church.

[Illbay]

It appears to me that your hope and faith is in the LDS Church and not in Christ.I have to laugh at this. Here I sit in the armpit of Chri$tianity, with three "Megachurches" within five miles of me, prominently displaying the name of their learned, vaunted pastors (who are local celebrities who live the lives of the modern American celebrity), and you have the twittitude to preach to US about "following a Church instead of Christ"?

You are your own parody.

[P-Marlowe]

Salvation, Illbay, is not to be found in a Church. Any church. Not mine. Not yours. Not Dr Steve's, not Wrigley's. It is to be found in trusting and believing in the ONE TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

It is clear from your posts and those of your LDS buddies that you have placed your faith and trust in the visions of Joseph Smith and in the institution of the LDS Church and you have no true desire to follow the Christ who is revealed in scripture. If there is a contradiction between what the LDS Church teaches and what the scriptures reveal about Jesus, you will follow the teachings of your present church authorities without question.

I find it most telling that you will not answer the question I have posed. Why is that?

I have stated that as a matter of fact the Jesus that saved my soul and the Jesus that I worship led me away from the LDS Church and has revealed to me that the LDS Church teaches blasphemy.

Now can any of you guys answer a "yes or no" question? Here it is: In light of the facts stated above, do you and I believe in the same Jesus?

[Elsie]

All one has to do who makes Covenants with the Lord is to Keep His Commandments,

to do the best we can and the Lord will Cover the differents!

 

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Galatians 4:21-31
 21.  Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?
 22.  For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman.
 23.  His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
 24.  These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar.
 25.  Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
 26.  But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
 27.  For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."
 28.  Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
 29.  At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 
 30.  But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
 31.  Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

 

 

 

Hebrews 7:18-19
 18.  The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless
 19.  (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

 

 

Hebrews 8:6-13
 6.  But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.
 7.  For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
 8.  But God found fault with the people and said : "The time is coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
 9.  It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them,  declares the Lord.
 10.  This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
 11.  No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, `Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
 12.  For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."
 13.  By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear. That is if you are NOT a member of the LDS organization.  The OLD Law, the one that brings DEATH*, is STILL in force there.

 

*2 Corinthians 3:3-17
3. You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
4. Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God.
5. Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God.
6. He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant-- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was,
8. will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
9. If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!

 

If you won't believe these words, but WILL believe something else, what does that mean?

 

 

[Elsie]

We can't do it all but we sure can learn how to exercise and strengthen the Spiritual muscle!

But we sure WISH we could!

[Elsie]

Bark for us!

"By their FRUITS you shall know them"

[Elsie]

Here I sit in the armpit of Chri$tianity, with three "Megachurches" within five miles of me,

Ok, let's get out the financial records and we'll divide the cost of the buildings by the number of attenders to see how much per person was spent, if YOUR organization will do the same for your fabulous Temples!

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[CCWoody]

The boat is the destination. Do you know what scripture makes me say that?

[CCWoody]

"Paradise" is not heaven. Rather, it is a place where spirits go to await final judgement. How "Chri$tian$" can simultaneously believe in the day of Judgement, and in "instant judgement" (as in the thief on the cross) is but another example of the mass of confusion you're forced to swallow because of hundreds of years of benighted orthodoxy.

In short, Christ NEVER told the thief that He was to have "eternal life" ... ~ Illbay

This is what you get from wallowing in the vomit of Satan, instead of beholding the Beauty of the Lord:


• John 5:24
  "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

In short it isn't that Christ was a liar, but that you and most of the rest of Chri$tendom don't have the foggiest notion what you're talking about. ~ Illbay, turning Christ into a Liar

"In short", if you would just get out of Satan's vomit it would be possible for you to be saved. The key to the passasge I cited is that you must actually hear His word, not some wormwood of Satan that your false-prophets and demons have told you.

"In short", I already have eternal life; I have passed from death into life; I have already been given a verdict and shall not come into judgment. Today, right now, I reign with the risen King in the midst of His enemies.

Repent for when my Lord comes, He will be revealed from heaven "in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God." Moroni & Mormon & Nephi et al. and all the temples and every single one of you who has not repented of your Mormonism will be utterly destroyed. You will be "punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes."

Woody.

"... it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation..."

[CCWoody]

Ah, but I know that Chri$tians will say that you only have to be "perfect" the last few seconds of your life. ~ Illbay

I have already been perfected forever. HA!

Woody.

Keep clinging to that false hope of Mormonism and you will only see the perfection of the Lord (Revelation 14:10), you will never enjoy experiencing the perfection of the Lord (Hebrews 10:14).

[P-Marlowe]

Gosh Woody. Don't sugar coat it. Tell us what you really think.

[CCWoody]

Gosh Woody. Don't sugar coat it. Tell us what you really think. ~ P-Marlowe

Most people are put off by the actual words of the Scriptures. They find such passages as 2 Thes 1 rather offensive. Isaiah 63 is even more "bloody" and offensive to the unsaved and fleshy minds. Of course, you and I know that the Bible is a grown up book for a grown up person, not for people who are self-washed (2 Pe 2:22).

Nevertleless, "we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish. To the one we are a savor of death unto death; and to the other we are a savor of life unto life" (2 Cor. 2:15, 16).

It remains only to be seen if to these Mormons we are a savor of death unto death or a savor of life unto life. Now, back to exposing the poisoned well of Mormonism.

Woody. ;-)

[Illbay]

And he also said "if ye love me, keep my commandments."

Swallowing the Chri$tian lie means ignoring SOME things Christ wrote in favor of others.

And FWIW, those who profess Christ AND seek to keep His commandments, including the dictum to "be perfect" (meaning as perfect as we are able to be given our level of knowledge) are able to have eternal life, which is life EXACTLY LIKE our Father has.

In that case, the LDS knowledge does not discard faith, but realizes that faith is NOTHING (that is, "dead," as James states) without the effort to obey the commandments.

Go ahead, pick and choose. In most cases, you will have the opportunity for enlightenment at some future time. But those who fight against God, as the "Chri$tian$" that infest these threads, will suffer for their own sins. God will NOT be mocked, by you or any other.

[Illbay]

I can't figure out if you're just innocently blind, or if you are one of the wolves in sheeps' clothing the Savior warned us of.

Not having His wisdom, I cannot judge. But if the former, I pray you will someday gain the wisdom you obviously lack.

If the latter...as I've said, in my weakness I VOW not to laugh at the expression on your face on that day. I will try SO HARD.

[RnMomof7]

You've already demonstrated that you are unwilling to follow him. Some flashy Chri$tian minister, perhaps, with gold rings on his fingers and his own TV station, but not Christ.

Bill this would be funny if it was not so sad...You have a "prophet" you treat like a pope..Bet he flys in a "church owned "jet (or at least with all expensed paid.).bet there are tons of none "taxable" perks " with the job..and to go one more step you have one "minister" (prophet) that you can not get into heaven without ...

Open your eyes man.. these LDS prophets get plenty of "perks" ..lots more than a pathetic Christian Pastor 's salary....

MOST Christian Pastors are bi vocational or are paid so little they could not afford to visit Salt Lake city

[Wrigley]

And FWIW, those who profess Christ AND seek to keep His commandments, including the dictum to "be perfect" (meaning as perfect as we are able to be given our level of knowledge) are able to have eternal life, which is life EXACTLY LIKE our Father has.

So, we all have the ability? Just some aren't smart enough?