Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[A.J.Armitage]

What's In a (Utah) Name?

by Cari Bilyeu Clark

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When my husband and I moved from Utah to the Washington, D.C. area seventeen years ago, we knew nothing of the inadvertent legacy we carried from our four years in Utah. Shortly after we arrived in our new home, we saw a television commercial for a local grocery store chain. The spokeswoman's name was the unusual "Odonna." "She's gotta be from Utah," I said to my husband. "That's a Utah name if I ever heard one."

We eventually learned that Odonna was, indeed, Utah born and bred.

It dawned on us that many names we'd heard during our college careers, and found only mildly remarkable, were indeed unique to the Utah Mormon culture. Thus began our quest to define what makes some names singularly Utahn, and what sets them apart from ethnic names with roots in other cultures, such as Juanita or Shoshanna; or African-American names such as Tawanda and Shaquille; or the newly common, soap-operaesque handles such as Skylar, Tiffany, Raven, and Adrienne. There's a difference, and it's not just the obviously Mormon scriptural names like Mahonri or Nephi or Moroni. Often identifying a Utah name is a gut feeling akin to Justice Potter Stewart's definition of pornography: you know it when you see it.

The quintessential Utah name often has a French-sounding prefix such as Le-, La-, Ne-, or Va-. Often names appear to have genesis in the combined names of the parents--Veradeane or GlenDora, for example. Related is the practice of feminizing the father's name--as in Vonda (dad is Vaughan) or Danetta. Others, such as Snell or Houser, appear to be surnames called into service as first names.

Related is the curious tendency, more common in Utah than elsewhere, for men (women do not seem to do this) to use the first initial, then the full middle name as the given name, such as L. Flake Roberts, who ran for office in Utah County when we lived there. (Come on, you've noticed this habit among the general authorities of the LDS church!) Besides puzzling over why someone would want to be known as "Flake," it makes one wonder just what the "L" stands for.

[Hmmmm. Where have we heard about that before? --A.J.]

So my husband and I entertained ourselves by collecting the often bizarre names we found in Utah publications (including the obituaries, which indicates that this is not a recent fad) and of Utah natives we met. We compiled a list and shared it with our friends, who often as not had a few more to add. We really hit a bonanza when one woman shared our observations with her mother, who worked at a Utah bank and had access to lots of names. She started her own list and began sending the names to us. (My personal favorite, LaNondus, came from this source.) Another friend told us of a set of sisters, all of whose names began with "Ja."

Once my husband had Internet access, he collected more names and corresponded with another couple who amused themselves the same way. They made cleverly categorized lists: "The ward choir director's daughters: LaVoice, Choral, Audia."

It makes you wonder what some parents were thinking when, for instance, they named their baby girl Lanae (la-nay)--and she unfortunately ended up with a big nose (le nez [la-nay] in French means "the nose"). Or the girl named M'Lu--are clever wags endlessly asking her to skip to it? And how the heck do people with apostrophes in their names fill out computerized forms? There's no apostrophe space. The guy I really pity, though, is the one saddled with the unfortunate moniker, Rube.

Of course, parents cannot predict what new interpretations the marketplace will bring to the names they lovingly bestow on their offspring. I once worked at a company which had dealings with a woman named LaPriel (pronounced la-prell). When I told my former roommate about this inexplicable first name, she sardonically replied, "What's her sister's name--LaTegrin?"

With the generally larger-than-average family, often saddled with the very ordinary surnames Smith, Johnson, or Young, it's not surprising that many Utah parents look for unique given names for their children. When you throw in the reverence for family and ancestors forwarded by the LDS Church, it seems inevitable that someone would end up with LaEarl, KDell, Arnolene or Hariella.

Some names, though, seem to defy description--if not pronunciation. While pride of place may have spawned Utahna, how did somebody come up with Wealtha? And while Lloydine's genesis seems plausible, how on earth were Printha or Noy coined? And I have no idea what constitutes the correct pronunciation for Kairle or Tawhnye. (I suspect they may be wildly creative spellings of Carol and Tonya.)

Perhaps the following list (by no means comprehensive) will amuse you. Perhaps it will offend you. Perhaps you will find your name, or the name of a relative, on it. Or perhaps you will be so enchanted by a particular name that you'll want to bestow it upon one of your own offspring. If that is your plan, first do this: go to the back door, fling it open and yell the name at the top of your lungs six or eight times, because that's how it's going to be heard for the next eighteen years. And remember, when little Wynante (boy or girl, you choose) grows up, you'll have to live with the consequences.

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The Cream of the Crop

The Clarks' Favorite Utah Names

Updated 24 January 2003

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The new parents couldn't be happier: Gladell & Delightra (sisters), Luvit, Delecta, Delite, Joyette, Joi, Joyia, Joyellen, Joycell, Hallah Lujah [How about Hallah Back Y'all? --A.J.], Bliss, Joyanne

Cleanliness is next to Godliness: Zestpoole, Sparkle

The Ward Choir Director's Daughters: Aria, Audia, Aurel, Choral, LaVoice, Tonilee, Capella, Chime, Rocksan Violin

Jewels every one: Amulet, Pearlette, Pearlene, Emerald, JewlyAnn, Ahmre Jade, Treasure Tonya, Turquoise Nova, Sequin, Amethist.

Girls you just know have big, floofy hair: Blondeen, Rayette, Faundaree, Shazette, Shasheena, Honilynn, Najestica, Teasa, Shazzanna, Pluma, Bobbette, Blonda, Breezy, Wenderella, Aquanetta, Brinderella, Dazzlyn

Maybe they're in the Klingon Ward: Tchae, Xko, Corx, G'ni, Vvhs, Garn, Ka, Deauxti, Xymoya, Sha'Kira [Her older sister is called Macare'na.], Zy, Xela, Tscharna, Nivek, Zon'tl, Zagg, Xan, Judziah Datz (a female, named after a character in Star Trek), K'lar (ditto), Jarna Nazhalena, Chod, Xarek, Grik, Stod, T'Shara, Tral, Sherik, Curg

[I am Krang the Merciless!! And I'm a Mormon!]

The Worth of a Soul: Cashley

Astronomical: LeVoid, Sunan, Moonyene, Starlene, Sunelly, Luna, Lunia, Solinda, Sunirae, Staryl, Marandastarr, Season, Aries, Starlyn, Cressent, Celestial Starr, Summerlyn, Astrolena

Could only be LDS: Cumorah Hill, Liahonna, Ensign, Nauvoo, Kirtland, Templa, Templer, Tempella, Tempalia, Ziona, Deseret (and Desereta), Tabernacle, Woodruff, Pratt, Tithing, Quorum, Helamans Warrior, Iron Rod, Morona, Manti, Stripling, Nephi Courage, Celestial Glory, Celestian, Brighaminie, Zion, Xione (pronounced "zion")

Parents were BYU math majors: Alpha Mae, Seven, Seavenly, Twenty, Prime, Omega Lee, Jennyfivetina, Tenna [Mormon porn star: Tenna Tameson.], Elevena, Ninea, Eighta

[How would you like to be named after your birth order?]

You can name a kid this, but you shouldn't ingest it: Cola, Vinyl, Orlon, Chlorine, Clorene, Florene, Florine, Lexann, Dow, Tide, Downy, Codiene, Daquari, DeCon, Starbuck, Crayon, Treasure Cocaine

[Classy. Real classy.]

Names inspired by the family car: Audi, Fairlene, Celecta, Pontiac, Vonda, Vonza, Auto, Cherokee, Lexus, Porsche, Skylark, Truckston, Avis, Chevrollette, Chevonne, Caprice, Dodge

["Honey, nothing says class like Lexus. Now go make some jello."]

Wishful thinking: Darlin', Courage, Winsome, Justan Tru, Pictorianna, Paradise Sunrise, Sage, Angelic, Breed, Godlove, Myrth, LaVirgin, DeFonda Virtue, Chastice, Normalene, Lovie Angel, Precious Blessing, Heavenly Melanie, Glee, Mormon Beauty, Pledger, Jentill, Devota, Coy, Fondd, Bridella, Verna Noall, Vervine, Viva, Golden Noble, MarVel, MemRee, Brunette, Merrily, Merry Ann, Celestial, Cherrish, Kash, Cashelle, Teton, Forever, Luvit, Mystiq, Worthy, Truly, Pleasant, Speedy, Hereditary, Shrudilee, Halo, Gentry, Truthanne, Finita, Mavryck, Amen, Merrijane, Marvelous Man.

Dad's hobby is obvious: Justa Cowgirl, Rode O, Hazer, Durango, Rifle, Laker, Jazz, Truck. Granite, Garnet, Gneiss (and other sisters with rock names beginning with “G.”)

Conversational: Whisper, Chat

Indications of possible birthplace: Arizonia, Floria, Montania, Utah, Utahna, Idahana, Idaho, Mauntana [Flunk spelling, name you kid Mauntana. Study hard!], Michigan, Nevadna, Okla, Vermont, Wyoming, Wyoma, Cache, Jordana, Payson, Vernal, Boise, Brookelynn, Lexington, Demoyn, Fredonia, Leremy, Platte, Salina, Seattle, Takoma, Tulsa, Tustin, Vail, Lundyn, Londyn, Irelynd, Irelan, Madrid, Manila, Cairo, Damascus, Tyre, Desert, Shahara, Trinidad, Houston, Cachelyn, D'Asia, Edon, Takoda, Orem, Shannon doah, Davenport Shore

No man (or woman) is an island - exceptions: Oahu, Irlanda, Tonga, SeaBreaze, Tiki Lou

Possible conception placenames: Hilton, Nafeteria, Bridges, Castle

Indications of possible birthdates: Juneth, Junola, LaJune, Julyn, Halloween, Novella, Summerisa, Winnter, Christmas Holiday, Merrienoel, Kris Miss, Tuesdee, Aprella

The day dawn is breaking: Dawnae, Dawnia, Dawnel, Dawnelle, Dawnene, Dawnalyn, Dawnette, Karadawn, RaDawn, Keturah Dawn, SheriDawn, LuDawn, LaDawn, Le Dawn, El Dawn, Dawnetta, Dawnese, Mistidawn, Berva Dawn, Celestial Dawn, Bodawn, Honey Dawn, Sunrise, Dawny, Yodawn, Dawnika, Dawnray, Denverly Dawn, Sunni Dawn, Dusty Dawn, Taradawn, Twyla Dawn, Georgia Dawn, Iva Dawn, Marva Dawn

Dad was a plumber: Valva, BeDae, Latrina, La Jonne, Digger

Dad worked for the postal service: Mailene

Dad's a lawyer: Justicia

Dad had a hernia: Truss

Less is more: La, Oa, NB, T, M, Q, JJ

I hope the computer will accept apostrophes in the name fields: D'Ann, D'Aun, D'Bora, D'Dee, D'Elise, D'Loaf, D'Shara, E'all, L'Deane, L'orL, Ja'mon, J'Costa, J'dean, J'Leen, J'net, J'Shara, J'Vonna, La'Donis, Me'shell, M'Jean, M'Kaaylie, M'Kenna, Mi'Lara, M'Lisa, M'Liss, M'Lu, M'Recia, O'lea, R'dell, R'lene, Shan'l, Young'n, B'andra, De'lys, D'Dree

["And the called her... O'Lestra. She had the runs a lot."]

Future names of prescriptions: Lyravin, Monalaine, Nyleen, Merlaine, Monease, Naquel, Ronalene, Nylan, Rolayne, Tyron, Lexine, Lyrin, Mikatin, Artax, Xtrin, Tylene, Qedrin, Tamrin, Denilyn, Kevrin, Nicolin, Xylan, Tolex, Zylan, Daycal, Falycid, Zerin, Davon, Sydal

Wow! What a Babe!: Wavie, Zhalore, LaTanna, Tressa, LaDreama, Amourette

Fluid-related: Thermos, Soda, Logan River, Jordan River, Susquehannah, Canteen

When simple alphabetic characters aren't enough: K-8 (pronounced "Kate," I guess)

[Kids: that's happens when you're illiterate. Stay in school!]

Politically incorrect: Sambo, Aryion

[Maybe they weren't thinking "Aryan", but "Arian". Heretics gotta stick together!]

Heard chanted in the Salt Lake airport: Ara-Om

Has food connotations: Dianarea, Dicey, Vindalu, Blenda, Strawberry, Sugarlee, Beena, Pork Chop, Sesami, Jar, Karmel, Kresent, TaffiLyn, Chipo

Had breathing problems in the hospital nursery: Azure, Syrullean

You might find in a forest: Wrendie, Jilbear, Timber, Oaks, Pixie, LaFawnduh, Fawn-Dew, Ember, Bird, Magpie, Serenity Fawn, Paradi, L'Aire, Brookelle, Sylvan, Fawna, Lawn, Rain, Gazelle, El Fawn ["El" makes it masculine, "Fawn" makes it girly-poofy. El Fawn: expressing pride from Salt Lake City to San Francisco.], Aspen, Acacia, Panda, Briar, Rhodendra, Fernnola, Birdene, Hummingbird, Disney, Chinchilla Zest, Haven, Glade

No doubt about it, this kid's in charge: Rexina, Rexine, Queenola, Dominee, Ruger, Messiah Angel, Oden, RexDee, Navy, Jentry, Czar, LeeMaster, Quintessa, Marquessa, Leviathan, Captain.

Smells: Cachet, Reaka, Violeet, Avon, Budla

Faux ethnic: Laddie, Walkasheaqua, Bsjonet, Hishla, Chilnecha, Forthilda, Kaltighanna, Alainka, Chip-wa, Pawnece America, Zem Saxon, O'Ann, WaThene, Sheighlagh, Valliere

Commemorating something or another: Welcome Exile, Confederate American, Southern Justice, Liberty Lulu, Young Elizabeth, Genesis, MistiNoele, Imagine, Thankful Flood, Friends Forsaken, Joyous Noel, Tennyson, Knight Train, Miracles Precious One, Sunday's Hoseana, Disney, Blessing Ream, Stormy Shepherd, Denim Levi, Vernal Independence, Sincere Devotion, Mothers, Elvoid, Noah-Lot, Mormon Miracles, MyLae, Nightrain Lane, Zion Anakin, Jeopardee, Statehood, Denim Levi

Let's hope not: Rube, Sleeza, Nymphus, Golden P., Burns, Hydra, Non, Malis, Talon, Beefea, Patches, Storm, Slayer, Sterile, Slaughter, Jynx, Hyde, Prynne, StormiAnn, Sham, Apathy, DeRail, Dull, Gamble

In a class of their own (In fact, I'm not sure I believe these but we asked for details and a confirmation and got convincing replies, so here they are): NaLa'DeLuhRay, Phakelikaydenicia, Zaragrunudgeyon ("Zarg," for short), Jennyfivetina, Tiarrhea, Nudity, VulvaMae, DaLinda LaDale, Tugdick, Saunsceneyouray, and, yes... Clitoris.

["Well, it sounded pretty when the doctor said it, and my wife Placenta likes it."]

Teletubbies: Laalaa

Guaranteed to get last place on our list (or anyone else's): ZZkora

I can't think of anything clever to write but these must be mentioned: Barbeli, Revo Cram, Feramorz, Glint, LaNondus, Wynante, Camera, Lecoya, AureJudd, NaNon, Bimberly, DavidO, Leumas ("Samuel" backwards), Ralphene, Shimber, T-vive, Synthi, CoJane, Nona-rene, Gaylawn, Txanton, LaZello, Daycal, Sancie D'Wan, RaVoe, Zenus, Gatobon, LaEarl, Trystal, AndiOdette, Serenity-Tabitha-Ann, Alexavier, X Y Zella, Bonquisha, Musser Cenia, Jubeltine, Oryeon, Shlori, Danlonaga, Zedwain, Casualeen, Young'n, Shambertine Crille, Canon, Malique, LeeWitt, Jazzeri, DeRaunz, Teru, Aaro, Divid, Cimemthymia, LaDonnaJosephrania, LaDeeDee, deRalph, MaddLynAlain, Vyquetoriya, Falycid, Rophis, Mick BonScott, Kaysional Tempest, Darianlelo, DeLaVerne, BoChe', Minnet, Kandle, Seena Tawnya, Dwodger, J Thoral, Xanderrick, Abcde, KNikkol, Demeatrice, LLean Shanalyn, Scytha Solena, HiDee

[Utah Girl]

Sorry, it has taken me a bit to get back to you. Here is the Jesus Christ I believe in:

Latter-day Saints, unlike many other Christian traditions, do not accept the definitions of God as created by the Greek philosophers. Our beliefs about the Godhead "are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]." (The Holy Bible, Ephesians 2:20)

Using the apostolic and prophetic teachings as our base, Latter-day Saints believe in the Jesus who was the preexistent Word of the Father; that was the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; that was the God of Abraham , Isaac, and Jacob; that was the Only Begotten Son of God who was born to the virgin Mary in the town of Bethlehem; that was baptized by John; that healed the sick and raised the dead, that walked on water, multiplied loaves and fishes, and performed many other miracles; that set a perfect example for mankind to emulate and that all men and women are commanded to follow his teachings and example in all things.

We believe that Jesus suffered in the garden and on the cross, until he finally died as a willing sacrifice for mankind in order to bring about an infinite atonement through the shedding of his blood. After his death, we believe that he was physically resurrected and that he ascended into the heavens, from which he will come at the end of this world to establish his kingdom upon the earth and eventually to judge both the living and the dead. We believe Jesus is and was the Holy Messiah, the Savior and Redeemer of the world and all those who will follow him. Finally, we believe in the Jesus who is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations.

Now that we have established the identity of the Jesus Christ in whom Latter-day Saints believe, may I ask who is the Jesus in whom you believe?
Taken from Do Mormons believe in a different Jesus?

[Illbay]

Your disgorgement of a bunch of **** from YAAMWSTSTLI (Yet Another Anti-Mormon Website Spewing The Same Tired Lies, Inc.) is just that: parrot droppings. Not a single word you've written is true. Even the duck is a caricature.

Not surprising, given the shallowness of your intellect and the callowness of your soul.

[Illbay]

What we need answers for:

What YOU need answers for is HOW to begin the repentence process. Your Lying-In-Wait-To-Deceive game is taking you farther and farther down the road to hellfire, and were I you, I'd turn about quick.

Worry less about the great work of Christ's ONLY true Church on the face of the earth, and more about your own dark, dirty, filthy works.

The former has no effect on you at all. The latter will damn you for eternity if you do not repent.

[CARepubGal]

That is without a doubt the biggest pile of HORSE HILLARY! I have seen to date on this site. For starters, Gordon Hinckley flies everywhere on John Huntsman's private jet. He and the other 14 members of the Quorum of the 12 apostles are paid for their full time jobs and do not have to spend a cent on business trips, being put up by some Stake President or Mission President at the expense of these gentlemen. And the Jesus Mormons claim is NOT repeat NOT the Jesus of the bible. Mormonism is a false church founded on lechery and lies. Repent Illbay and learn who the real Jesus is. You are in the heart of Baptist country: have a chat with a local pastor about the nature of God.

[drstevej]

***Christ's ONLY true Church on the face of the earth***

Actually, your arrogance here is far more honest than many of the FR LDS folks who pretend that Mormonism is a variety of Christianity.

[CARepubGal]

$25 Million for the San Diego Temple. $0 to the poor 45 minutes south or the working poor in San Diego for that matter. Nice fruits of Mormonism. Hinckley takes home $400K + in non taxable income. Steve or Woody: Do either of you have take home pay in that league? And why is it that the Mormons will not disclose their financials? In fact, they have not disclosed any financial information since 1959. All non Mormon churches make this information accessable. What logic is there to the Mormons not disclosing the money going in and out of the organization?

[restornu]

Mormonism is a false church founded on lechery and lies

CA what did you hear during Sunday School, Gospel Doctrine, and Relief Society even Sacrament?

Were you able to honor fast Sunday?
Were you consistence in prayer and reading your scriptures daily?
Really CA how many years did you endur?

I think these are reasonable questions?

[Illbay]

And the Jesus Mormons claim is NOT repeat NOT the Jesus of the bible.

Wow, what an interesting and ORIGINAL claim!

How convenient for you anti-Christ "nitwits". When you run out of ideas, you just start and the beginning and go all over again!

The fact that you appear to be "going all over yourself" to the casual observer, of course, is inconvenient, but don't let that stop you (especially when you have other religious-incontinents standing by to tell you that your Urine makes the best lemonade they ever tasted).

[Illbay]

You have not one scintilla of an iota of a smidgen what you're talking about.

NO OTHER RELIGIOUS DENOMINATION ON EARTH, expecting only the Roman Catholic Church, does more charitable work, gives more in terms of money, goods and services, than the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Your ignorance does you great service; it reveals you for the smarmy antiChrist you are.

[CARepubGal]

Since the evidence you seek will lead in your mind to the conclusion that:

1. I sinned my way out of the LDS churhc
2. I was offended by someone
3. I was lazy
4. I never really had a testimony.

As for what I heard, false teachings reinforced by conditional friendship and love. Guilt heaped up higher and higher. And as for any bible reading, church attendance and other temporal requirements, any lacks therein are between me and the Lord. My Pastor does not track my attendance at church, what I volunteer for at church, how much I give in the offering and what I do in my daily life outside church. Frankly, he is putting his family first and Boundaries (book that explains what Boundaries are and why they are so very critical) are respected. It is nice being treated as an adult. I pray Rest you can find a real relationship with the Lord.

[CARepubGal]

Mirror much Bill? Please provide figures (monetary, labor hours) that the Mormons exceed even one ministry in charitable service? I suggest taking a look at Samaritan's Purse.

[restornu]

Thank you for answering CA!

My questioning was not to judge you. I have no Idea if you attened a ward or a branch? The purpose for the question is that these things really have nothing to do with physical, or to form an mundane opinion.

It is to help one see how much one has in their spiritual bank account. For this is the fuel that enable one to endur trails and not fall away!

It is something that has to be continually nurtured so one is protected. It is very easy for the oposition to distract and lead one way.

[P-Marlowe]

I have been waiting for a yes or no answer to my question. Instead you found a pro-LDS Web site and cut and pasted an answer. Ok. I guess its too much to ask for just a yes or no answer.

So in response to yours I will post my own cut and paste response:



On the identity of the Mormon Jesus:

Mormon doctrine (from accepted Mormon sources) claims the following:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."
- Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15
(The same was intimated by Apostle Orson Pratt in Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, PP. 62-63)

This derives from the following:

Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan - Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:27-28 (Pearl of Great Price which is considered one of three "inspired" books by Mormons)

And from Ensign (official Church magazine), December, 1980, pp.3-5 we read:

"Jesus of Nazareth", Spencer W. Kimball's, First Presidency Message: "His [Jesus'] trials were continuous. Perhaps his brother, Lucifer, had heard him say when he was still but a lad of 12, 'Whist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?'"(Luke 2:49)

"...Then came the time when Satan thought to trip him. Their encounter in the previous world had been on more equal terms, but now Jesus was young and Satan was experienced."

More proof that the Mormon Jesus is not the Christian Jesus comes from the following Mormon source. The official LDS Church News Archives quoted current Mormon President Gordon Hinckley speaking on the identity of the Mormon Jesus back in 1998.

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.' (He said) ‘No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness (sic) of Times...In this dispensation, the Lord has declared that this Church is "the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth.’"
- LDS Church News Archives, Saturday, June 20, 1998 reporting on Hinckley’s speech to 6,600 missionaries assembled in Paris. (http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_church?dn98&9806210091.)

It should be noted that Mormon apologists try and play down the connection that their "prophets" have made concerning Jesus and Lucifer being what is commonly referred to as "spirit brothers." However, their defense becomes quickly inadequate. To demote Jesus and to elevate Lucifer to such a position begs to question the very person of God and His validity as Creator, Savior and Master of all things. Also, if God is a God of order does He allow chaos to reign between "sons"? Such thinking would mean that at some point (if you follow the Bible's teaching on origins) that Lucifer was even involved with creation! Scripture clearly instructs that he (and all of the other angels) are, were and always will be created beings - no matter what any man may claim (see Ezekiel 28:12-19). The Bible also states that God has but ONE Son. (See John 3:16) Lucifer is NOT NOW, nor EVER has been on par with God. On the other hand, the Bible Jesus IS NOW and ALWAYS has been God, second person of what is commonly referred to as the Trinity - God Almighty!



Notice that Your Living Prophet is not afraid to say that he does not believe in the traditional Jesus, but that he believes in ANOTHER Jesus. Why can't you admit that? Why can't you answer my question with a yes or a no?

[restornu]

Because the LDS does not believe in a different Jesus of the Bible!

It is you folks that embrass the Pagan version of ANOTHER JESUS the one from Consatantine known as the Nicene Creed. Their is no such referance in the Bible called the Nicene Creed.

The NC was never Authorized by a servants of the Lord, that were call as was Aaron!

[P-Marlowe]

The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.



What exactly is it about the Nicene creed that you don't like, rest? Seems to me that this is pretty much what Utah Girl claims she believes about Jesus. What is the problem? Is it the "catholic" part? I admit I have problems with that, but otherwise it seems pretty "orthodox". Where is your objection?

[restornu]

Bla! Bla! Bla!!

Please you know the different
and you made a choice
that would fit comfortable
with your life style!

[Illbay]

I suggest if YOU looked at Samaritan's Purse, you'd find among the largest donors is the LDS Church.

[drstevej]

P-Marrlowe printed the Nicean Creed, which you consider the watershed, and asked you to explain your problem. You respond with a chorus line of animated gifs and an incoherent comment about P-M's lifestyle.

You need rest, rest. You need to rest in the One who is the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

[Wrigley]

Its good to see you're opening up.

I know your profit. He is yesterday what Benny is today. A charlatan. By their works I know them.

Had you lived in the days of the Savior's walk on this earth, you WOULD have eagerly cast the first stone.

I would have followed Him as he choose me first.

[Wrigley]

You really have been on a roll the past couple of days.

You are like the spoiled child who knows he's wrong and hates the correction. Lashing out, connecting not.

Repent of your God mocking religion so that you may be saved.

[Wrigley]

Do you think she's lying?

[Wrigley]

What are you hiding illbay?

Are you padding your expense account and feeling guilty about it?

Are you getting some renumeration on the side that no one knows about?

[Elsie]

(Clones are homeless!)

Spirit babies are homeless, too!

Also bodiless!!!

[Elsie]

Because the LDS does not believe in a different Jesus of the Bible!

What IS it about 'official LDS sources' (ref #463) that causes you to recoil so violently from them?

Is it the realization that perhaps the thing you so wish to be true and pure, has warts, errors and a crumbly foundation?

[Elsie]

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

 

GAG!  We choke on THIS,

 

 

 

 

Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan - Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:27-28 

Moses 4:1    AND I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the begining, and he came before me, saying--Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will I all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.

 

  

And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

 "Jesus of Nazareth", Spencer W. Kimball's, First Presidency Message: "His [Jesus'] trials were continuous. Perhaps his brother, Lucifer, had heard him say when he was still but a lad of 12, 'Whist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?'"(Luke 2:49)

 

 

 

But THESE we swallow smoothly, as if honey.

 

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--generic LDS dude

[drstevej]

***that one soul shall not be lost,***

Interesting that in LDS theology (mythology) Lucifer wants to save everybody, whereas 'LDS Jesus' presents a plan where potentially nobody is saved.

[CCWoody]

I think I'd worry less about Joseph's sins, and more about your own. Joseph has his reward, and will be judging YOU one day. You'd better worry about what he has to say. After all, he's in charge of YOUR dispensation. Be very, very, very afraid. ~ Illbay

Question: What's the difference between God and Joseph Smith?

Answer: Well,... God doesn't think He's Joseph Smith.

Woody.

[CCWoody]

Had you lived in Christ's time, you would have screamed for Barrabas. That's just a FACT. ~ Illbay

In point of fact, I do freely confess that before the Lord created in me a new heart, I would have had the murderer. I free confess that I would have enjoyed murdering even the Lord Himself. I was wicked.

Ahh, but then my hope is that the Lord didn't sacrifice Himself for a better sort.


• Luk 18:11 The Pharisee [Mormon] stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
  
  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
  
  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other....

Woody.

Boast on O mighty righteous one!

[P-Marlowe]

I suggest if YOU looked at Samaritan's Purse, you'd find among the largest donors is the LDS Church.

Illbay, I suggest that you look around the Samaritan's Purse Website and see if you find any references to the LDS Church's allegedly massive donations. Check it out.

Samaritan's Purse exists to carry out the Great Commission and to spread the Gospel that Billy Graham and Franklin Graham preach -- The REAL Gospel -- not the False gospel that Joseph Smith preached.

Now if you can provide us with some evidence that the LDS Church has made massive official donations to Samaritan's Purse that would indeed be interesting.

[CCWoody]

Sorry, UG, but my God is not a man from Kolob, or whatever fantasy star it is where you god was made. He does not fornicate with mortals and He is not part of a pantheon of gods.

My God is the First and the Last and beside Him there is no God.

[LiteKeeper]

Amen, and well said. "You can know the truth, and the truth will set you FREE."

[restornu]

Clones are homeless!)
Spirit babies are homeless, too!

Also bodiless!!!

Spirit babies live with Heavenly Father in heaven. clones evolve from a test tuble and when they expire they they no longer exist not even in the spirit world, and are NOT resurrected on Judgement Day!

[LiteKeeper]

Who do the LDS believe Lucifer is/was?

[P-Marlowe]

Spirit babies live with Heavenly Father in heaven. clones evolve from a test tuble and when they expire they they no longer exist not even in the spirit world, and are NOT resurrected on Judgement Day!

Is that official LDS Doctrine? Or just your own bizzarre theories?

[CCWoody]

Spirit babies live with Heavenly Father in heaven. clones evolve from a test tuble and when they expire they they no longer exist not even in the spirit world, and are NOT resurrected on Judgement Day! ~ restornu

Well, I guess that according to the Mormons, since human clones aren't really people, we could fully grow them and then kill them to get their organs.

So, what about other test tube babies. Are they expendable according to Momon doctrine?

Woody.

ROTFLMAO! about that one. [humming to tune "if I only had a brain] If I only had a spirit....

[LiteKeeper]

NOTE: "catholic" is an old word that means "universal" - thus referring to the Body of Christ - a universal manifestation of our Lord.

NOTE2: The catholic church is all believers in Jesus Christ. As the Mormons prefer being called LDS, so the church with its assumed head being the Pope is rightly referred to as the ROMAN Catholic Church, i.e., that part of the universal church with its leadership in Rome, Italy. There is a significant difference.

Therefore, I have no problems using the word "catholic" in the Nicene Creed.

P.S. - you probably knew this, so I simply make the information available to others who may have missed that part of Sunday School.

Grace and peace

[RnMomof7]

UC ..Please do not misread me..I have no problem with Church leaders being paid. I do have a problem with condeming others for giving a salary to their Pastors ..and calling their leaders salary an "allowance"..I do have a problem with the lack of accountability..but it is your dime and if you guys do not care that is your business ..but to PRETEND that somehow you are 'holier" or more righteous because you do not use the word 'salary' is hypocricy

BTW most Christian missionaries do NOT get a salary..they come back to the states to raise money by visiting churches and finding sponsers..so your dad did well...

I compared your prophet to the pope and that stands..he lives very well with no numbers being given to the people that pay the bills...

What is it to you if people like a full time 24/7 Pastor and are willing to give him a living allowance so he can be there for them?

When my grandson died the pastor spent 5 days with us.,other than to sleep he was never away..he even drove the body south in the church van..

I think the fact that your President came from "humble" beginings makes it more suspicious looking at his suits and travel..he certainly is not spending "old family money" (except YOUR family money) .

Again I think that is fine but a bit of hyprocicy on bills part not to see the log in the Mormon$ eye on this one

[restornu]

So in your logic Marlowe
you think that Clones
go to Heaven
for they are predestian:)

[RnMomof7]

We do NOT have a paid clergy.

Yea they just get "allowances". I will remember that

BTW who makes a profit on the sale of the underwear ..that is handled by the local bishop right? What other things is he the middle man for? Does he have a credit card for fuel etc?

In a christian church that all would be in the yearly report

[RnMomof7]

That we have expenses reimbursed in money or (as is mostly the case) in kind is far, far, far different from Chri$tianity Incorporated's lucrative financial empire.

LOL I knew it..so you get and "allowance " huh??..Hyprocity

[Wrigley]

when they expire they they no longer exist not even in the spirit world, and are NOT resurrected on Judgement Day!

Interesting idea. Do have mormon scripture on that, or a new revelation? Or is it your own opinion?

[Wrigley]

I step away from the computer for a while and I see rest makes an interesting comment.

LOL for sure.

[LiteKeeper]

Check out Luke 10:7 and 1 Corinthians 9:9

[P-Marlowe]

If God is willing to breath life into the soul of a test tube baby, then that person has the same obligation to God and the same opportunity to accept the Gospel and obtain everlasting Life that you have.

So why don't you take this opportunity and accept the True Gospel? Say the sinner's prayer and from this day forward follow the TRUE and LIVING Christ (not the Brother-of-Lucifer-counterfeit, but the ALMIGHTY GOD original). Then perhaps you can meet some of these clones in heaven.

[CCWoody]

I note restornu's response to your question. Evidently, this is why "Adam God" had to come down and fornicate with Mary. Otherwise, there would not have been any little spermies to fertilize the egg if it had been the Mormon "holy spirit god". Evidently, you just can't have a real person unless the bed sheets get a good workout.

[Wrigley]

BTW most Christian missionaries do NOT get a salary..they come back to the states to raise money by visiting churches and finding sponsers..so your dad did well...

My older brother spent 8 months in Kenya working for Africa Inland Missions. He spent a lot of time raising the money needed to cover his expenses. He sure didn't do it to get rich.

He spent the time there setting up an accounting system for them. It wasn't what he thought he was going there for, but it was where God lead him.

[RnMomof7]

That we have expenses reimbursed in money or (as is mostly the case) in kind is far, far, far different from Chri$tianity Incorporated's lucrative financial empire.

Ummmmmmmmmm I do not think they give to "Catholic Charities" either (if they do someone needs to speak to the bishop there about it)...

Isn't considered a virtue to lie for the sake of the "gospel "in the LDS belief system?? Sorta like "falling up"

[Wrigley]

Its very difficult to be equally yoked with the Mormons.

[RnMomof7]

I just heard a missionary from Chili Sunday..up here to raise funds..No living allowance ..just some begging..

[Wrigley]

My Aunt and Uncle had to do the same thing while they were in the Philippines. Spent 8 years there.