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Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")
The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

Posted on 01/24/2003 4:41:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

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To: RnMomof7
"You have verfied something I have said frequently and been told is not true.A Mormon woman is alomost blackmailed into being sweet and compliant"

I have verified no such thing. As I said before, God will work out the cases where one spouse is not to blame according to his wisdom.

...the realization that if her husband does not call her she can never get into the celestial kingdom

Read #79, as long as a person (either the husband or the wife) live the gospel as best they can, they lose NOTHING. What their spouse does or doesn't or can't do has no impact on their own exhaltation, so no 'blackmail' is possible.

And do you call it blackmail when God says a person must obey to get to heaven?

101 posted on 01/26/2003 1:00:42 PM PST by Grig
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To: Illbay
Illbay, take a good look at the Beehive House and the Lion House. There were smaller houses for other wives of BY. And while you are at it, a side trip to Colorado City to get a good idea of what life in the Utah territory was like might be instructive. If you are not willing to look at either site, shut your piehole.
102 posted on 01/26/2003 1:01:00 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Grig
***Do you belive a person who dies believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a true prophet and that Mormonism is the true gospel will enter heaven?***

There are two contradictory gospels at play here. Jesus + Joe is a denial of Jesus. Mormonism is another gospel either fabricated by Joe Smith or received from demonic personages. Evidence indicates the former.

Do you belive a person who dies believing in jesus Christ as their Savior and believing that Mohammed is a true prophet and that Islam is the true religion will enter heaven?

Jesus + Joe = denial of Christianity
Jesus + Mohammed = denial of Christianity

103 posted on 01/26/2003 1:03:27 PM PST by drstevej (Jesus + Joe ain't Christianity)
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To: Utah Girl
I met one LaDonna but most folks I knew from big families had normal names. :-) I guess yelling a common name at family reunions can be difficult for a huge family (my friend was 1 of 11 kids with a ton of cousins)
104 posted on 01/26/2003 1:04:27 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: RnMomof7
"How do you know if the dead husband accepted mormonism in the next life?"

Don't know really, but given the situation I would say it is unlikely.

"And would he not be kept out of the celestial kingdom anyway as he was never through the necsessary ordinances??"

We don't really know at what point the line is drawn and God says you had your chance and don't get another in the spirit world. This guy certainly can't claim ignorance, that's for sure.

If you assume he still qualifies for a chance in the spirit world, and if you assume he truely repented, it would still be possible for him to gain full exhaltation (#79), but the woman who was his wife on earth would not be his wife after death. They married 'till death do they part' and she is not interested in being with him any longer than that.
105 posted on 01/26/2003 1:09:06 PM PST by Grig
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To: RnMomof7
"But a woman can not be exhaulted without her husband..would she become the wife of another man?"

I don't know of any official statement saying yes or no to that. Through temple sealings it certainly is possible for her to be sealed to another man after her death but currently only sealings for couples who were legaly married are done, and those still are conditional on the acceptance of both persons.

In the millenium all required temple work for every person who ever lived will be done, so I expect there will be a lot of revelation to reveal the undocumented parts of humanity's family tree and a great sorting out of all the special cases.

What is doctrine is that God will work it out, and in the end a person who falls short in any way will have only themselves and the choices they made to blame, not the actions of any other person, spouse or otherwise.
106 posted on 01/26/2003 1:21:28 PM PST by Grig
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To: drstevej
"There are two contradictory gospels at play here. Jesus + Joe is a denial of Jesus."

Your opinon. We consider orthodox christianity to be contradictory of the gospel Jesus taught. Bottom line: if we are right, even you still has a chance. If you are right, a person can go to hell for being born in the wrong place and time and THAT is a sad theology IMHO.

"Do you belive a person who dies believing in jesus Christ as their Savior and believing that Mohammed is a true prophet and that Islam is the true religion will enter heaven? "

You should be able to tell from my previous answer.
107 posted on 01/26/2003 1:28:04 PM PST by Grig
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What is a piehold? It sound so funny! LOL!!!
108 posted on 01/26/2003 1:30:37 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
piehole = mouth (the hole we shove pie into.)
109 posted on 01/26/2003 1:36:02 PM PST by drstevej (Jesus + Joe ain't Christianity)
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To: Grig
In the millenium all required temple work for every person who ever lived will be done, so I expect there will be a lot of revelation to reveal the undocumented parts of humanity's family tree and a great sorting out of all the special cases.

Which millenium?

110 posted on 01/26/2003 1:36:28 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej
Than we could have chiphole, snack hole, donut hole? backhoe oh that is a tractor! keyhole, rabit hole, mousehole,cubbyhole......
111 posted on 01/26/2003 2:01:11 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu; drstevej
LOL!!! Rest, you really do have a great sense of humor!!
112 posted on 01/26/2003 2:11:27 PM PST by computerjunkie
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To: restornu; computerjunkie; Wrigley
***Than we could have chiphole, snack hole, donut hole? backhoe oh that is a tractor! keyhole, rabit hole, mousehole,cubbyhole...... ***

I am speechless.

A cubbyhole could be another name for the home team dugout at Wrigley field.
113 posted on 01/26/2003 2:27:53 PM PST by drstevej (Jesus + Joe ain't Christianity)
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To: drstevej
In years past the Cubs deserved a cutie pie name like that. But now we have Dusty Baker.

Spring Training, 4 weeks away.
114 posted on 01/26/2003 2:30:18 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0125/1498861.html

Just watch Ward explode in LA.
115 posted on 01/26/2003 2:37:41 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej; Wrigley
ROFL! The sportscasters here call the Cubs the Cubbies. The other teams get a bit more respect: Da Bears, Da Bulls.....

Go Padres
116 posted on 01/26/2003 2:52:14 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Wrigley
Houston trades are a career advance! Biggio will do fine in center, however.
117 posted on 01/26/2003 2:53:35 PM PST by drstevej
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To: CARepubGal; Wrigley
For years it was the Lastros, but they have been better recently. Playing in Enron Field isn't exactly an omen of great things to come!

Padres, yeah they do have a mjaor league team as I remember...
118 posted on 01/26/2003 2:56:31 PM PST by drstevej (just kidding)
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To: Wrigley
The 1000 years after Christ returns.
119 posted on 01/26/2003 4:36:12 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
I have verified no such thing. As I said before, God will work out the cases where one spouse is not to blame according to his wisdom.

So then all your temple ordinances and doctrine are useless if God just works "around them" ..either they are true or they are not...

Can a woman ever be a godess if her husband does not call her? Can she be in Gods presence in the highest level of the celestial heaven???

120 posted on 01/26/2003 5:32:53 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Grig
If you assume he still qualifies for a chance in the spirit world, and if you assume he truely repented, it would still be possible for him to gain full exhaltation (#79), but the woman who was his wife on earth would not be his wife after death. They married 'till death do they part' and she is not interested in being with him any longer than that.

That is interesting...so a temple worthy mormon woman who had a non mormon husband. , even if he converted after death would not be his eternal wife? I thought they sealed people after death??

121 posted on 01/26/2003 5:36:20 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: drstevej; Wrigley
About a half step above AAA but the Padres is considered a major league team. They sometimes play like one too.
122 posted on 01/26/2003 5:48:35 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: CARepubGal
1984 is still seared in my mind.
123 posted on 01/26/2003 6:16:33 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: CARepubGal
They had one of my favorite player in Tony Gywnn.

124 posted on 01/26/2003 6:19:12 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
Yup! That was a good year. And the Raiders are Loooosing! :-) Happy days down here!
125 posted on 01/26/2003 6:20:59 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Wrigley
I went to his last game. It was a class act (Mrs Gwynn was a piece of work but Tony is a very cool classy dude). He is coaching the Aztec baseball team this year. Jim Dietz handed the team over to Tony.
126 posted on 01/26/2003 6:22:16 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: CARepubGal
I think I was still in shock when Spring Training rolled around in 1985. That was a great Cub team that shouldn't have lost.

Fortunatly I've learned not to take the game so seriously.

Peter Ueberoth still stuck it to the Cubs that year...

127 posted on 01/26/2003 6:27:08 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: CARepubGal
I remeber the first time I heard an interview with Tony. His voice was not even close to what I would have thought.
128 posted on 01/26/2003 6:28:37 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Grig
That's right. I forgot you Mormons are wrong about the millenium too.
129 posted on 01/26/2003 6:32:24 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
We have the best luck when there is a baseball strike. The Padres have the potential but fall apart at critical points. I had NO problem with the '84 World series. I wonder why.....
130 posted on 01/26/2003 6:40:22 PM PST by CARepubGal (Go Buccaneers Go!)
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To: Wrigley
He does have an unusual voice. But he seems like a good guy.
131 posted on 01/26/2003 6:41:00 PM PST by CARepubGal (Go Buccaneers Go!)
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To: RnMomof7
Follow the thread back, I was talking of a specific case where after the non member husband died, the wife REFUSED to be sealed to him and instead married a faithfull member in the temple some time later.

She could have chosen to have a proxy sealing done for them in the temple if she wanted. If she did and if he repented in the spirit world then they might have been eternal companions, but in reality his actions in life cost him whatever love and respect she once had for him and she was glad to be free of him forever.
132 posted on 01/26/2003 6:55:03 PM PST by Grig
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To: CARepubGal
1. Why don't YOU look up "harem" and do a little study on what life in a real "Harem" was like. There was a very good documentary on the History Channel a week or so ago; look it up on their website.

2. Get it through your thick, bigoted skull that what is going on in the "polygamy" colonies in Utah and Arizona bears ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE to "life in Utah during the plural marriage days."

It is the abject ignorance--celebrated ignorance--of people such as yourself that convinces me your "concern" is a sham.

133 posted on 01/26/2003 7:43:34 PM PST by Illbay
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To: drstevej
drstevej = Denial of Jesus Christ. And O, what a weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth there will be on that day...
134 posted on 01/26/2003 7:45:00 PM PST by Illbay
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To: RnMomof7; Elsie; White Mountain; CubicleGuy; Utah Girl; rising tide; Grig; Edward Watson; Rad_J; ...
Can a woman ever be a godess if her husband does not call her? Can she be in Gods presence in the highest level of the celestial heaven???

R7 I say to you as I said to wrigley

"You are LIKE satan in the Garden of Eden try to beguild the LDS!"

I don't know how many time the LDS have told you we do NOT think about being god or godess even in the Temple. Our focus is on doing Heavenly Father will and our families! It is you who is preoccupy and try to claim that is what we think about, it is you who has impure thoughts about plural marriage. It is you who bring these fruits to the LDS door steps.

They are a prime ingredients to tarish the LDS from the spiritual ignorance of the things from God. It is you and other who would change the definition sacred from God to secret. Now you folks try to lower the bar more call LDS occult!

It you trying to beguild with demands that LDS cast their pearls to anti-LDS swine!

Sadly there are wonderful treasures you children will never know or see because you are so consumed with destroy at all cost!

I can tell you now it will never happen that you or others will ever bring down the "House of the Lord" in this final dispensation! Some of us LDS may faulter, but the WORK of the Lord will NEVER!

I say this humbly!

135 posted on 01/26/2003 8:26:19 PM PST by restornu
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To: Illbay; Wrigley
***drstevej = Denial of Jesus Christ. And O, what a weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth there will be on that day...***

Back at 'ya...


136 posted on 01/26/2003 8:29:09 PM PST by drstevej (Jesus + Joe Smith = heresy)
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To: Grig; drstevej
Dr. Steve: "There are two contradictory gospels at play here. Jesus + Joe is a denial of Jesus."

You, reaching I assume to the deepest depths of your thinking: Your opinon [sic]

Well, it's your opinion that it's his opinion.

It's my opinion that he's just stating the facts, just telling you what the Bible says. (He is.)

As I have often said, I would have much more personal respect for the Mormon who said, "Oh, no doubt about it: you can't believe what the Bible teaches, taken by itself, and Mormonism at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. I just like Joe." (I feel the same about JW's and RC's, for the record; just change the source authorities.)

You up to that sort of honesty? Or are you beating the "Yep! Yessir! There is and only can be but one God — AND one day we'll ALL be Gods! Yep! Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone on the basis of the finished work of Christ alone — AND I have to add my good deeds to it in order to be saved" drum?

Dan
Biblical Christianity web site

137 posted on 01/26/2003 8:39:10 PM PST by BibChr
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To: Illbay
what is going on in the "polygamy" colonies in Utah and Arizona bears ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE to "life in Utah during the plural marriage days." ?

I'll admit to being ignorant....


What's the differences?

What's the similarities?


(I'm aware of the official LDS organization statement that the 'rebel' groups are NOT to be mentioned as LDS, Mormon, fundamental, etc.)
138 posted on 01/26/2003 10:37:27 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Elsie
Off topic:
What WAS the product that Donnie & Marie were advertising during the game tonight?
139 posted on 01/26/2003 10:40:03 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Elsie
Pepsi!
140 posted on 01/26/2003 10:46:07 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Hi Sweetie!

What are YOU doing up this late??

141 posted on 01/26/2003 11:05:23 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Elsie
what about you your out late! did you win?
142 posted on 01/26/2003 11:17:52 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Did you see my thread on Easier Thread Search?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/830184/posts
143 posted on 01/26/2003 11:21:37 PM PST by restornu
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To: Elsie
forgot to flag

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/830184/posts
144 posted on 01/26/2003 11:25:10 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
sign off!
145 posted on 01/26/2003 11:26:57 PM PST by restornu
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To: Grig
Come on you guys, could you ALL just for one thread put the animosity aside? Sheesh.

But the animosity is the whole reason I posted the thread. Or do you think I wanted to celebrate Mormon "culture"?

146 posted on 01/27/2003 12:15:24 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Illbay
Ignorance personified. That's you. There is no such thing as a "Harem" in "Mormonism." Do a little research before you open your friggin' yap.
har·em   Audio pronunciation of "harem" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (hârm, hr-)
n.
  1. A house or a section of a house reserved for women members of a Muslim household.
  2. The wives, concubines, female relatives, and servants occupying such a place.
  3. A group of women sexual partners for one man.


[Turkish, from Arabic arm, forbidden place, from arama, to prohibit. See rm in Semitic Roots.]

No such thing in Mormonism, eh?

147 posted on 01/27/2003 12:29:54 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Illbay
Who's the one saying God was once a mere human on another world ruled by another god?

Mormonism is blasphemy any way you cut it.
148 posted on 01/27/2003 12:49:36 AM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Elsie; restornu
Your #139: What WAS the product that Donnie & Marie were advertising during the game tonight?

Pepsi Twist. (There was also a Diet Pepsi commercial.) Seems to be the favorite commercial of the news recaps and of the online poll below.

Did you notice how young Donny and Marie looked and how old Ozzy Osbourne looked? Must be that clean living.


Which ad that aired during Super Bowl XXXVII was your favorite?

30% Pepsi Twist: Ozzy & the Osmonds 68,809
15% Reebok: Terry Tate, office linebacker 35,651
10% Budweiser: Clydesdales play football 23,024
8% Sierra Mist: monkey 19,190
6% Budweiser: Clown 14,703
5% Fedex: 'Desert Island' 12,265
3% Gatorade: Michael Jordan vs. himself 7,336
3% Visa: Yao Ming 6,491
3% Dodge: choking co-worker 6,338
2% 'The Matrix' sequels 5,553
2% H&R Block: Willie Nelson 3,695
2% Trident: squirrel and dentist 3,662
1% Diet Pepsi: mud festival 2,875
1% Budweiser: Tim McGraw drives 2,798
1% Visa: the Barber twins 2,411
1% White House National Drug. Control: teen pregnancy 2,309
1% 'The Hulk' trailer 1,603
1% Sony: moon trip 1,529
1% Chrysler: Celine Dion 1,415
1% McDonalds: father and son 1,413
1% Monster: truck driver 1,259
1% Pizza Hut: Stuffed Crust Gold Pizza 1,232
1% 'Terminator 3' trailer 1,202
0% Cadillac: time traveler 745
0% AT&T Wireless: 'mLife' 670
0% KFC: ice fishermen 471
0% Quiznos: Chef Jimmy 468
0% 'Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle' 440
0% HotJobs: rainbow connection 406
0% White House National Drug. Control: subway 393
0% 'Daredevil' trailer 371
0% Levi's: Type 1 stampede 309
0% Subway: shrinking Jared 274
0% George Forman Grill 237
0% Cadillac: running of the bulls 186
Total votes: 231,733

NOTE: Poll results are not scientific and reflect the opinions of only those users who chose to participate.

149 posted on 01/27/2003 4:32:56 AM PST by White Mountain (Jesus said, "... come, follow me." Luke 18:22)
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To: White Mountain
Does clean living include divorces?

150 posted on 01/27/2003 4:42:15 AM PST by Wrigley
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