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Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")
The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

Posted on 01/24/2003 4:41:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

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To: BibChr
That you consider yourself the "troubler" of a moderately large city in the United States says a great deal about you.

At your next visit, suggest to your therapist that you explore issues surrounding "delusions of grandeur."

You may find a great deal of healing.

251 posted on 01/28/2003 4:16:18 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Delphinium
They say that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that barks the loudest is the one that got hit.

When I was an LDS, I did not look upon those who were trying to show me the error of my ways as being evil, I just thought they were wrong. They did not hate me, in fact, I knew that they actually had my best interests at heart. I had their best interests at heart. We both had the same motives-- to show the other person the error of their ways. Turned out, I was the one that was wrong.

I can only thank God that my heart was not so hardened that I was unable to see the truth when God revealed it to me.
252 posted on 01/28/2003 4:18:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: BibChr
Christians are still Followers of Jesus Christ...

BUT.....

Latter Day Saints are Sanctified in Jesus Christ!

By the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood.

253 posted on 01/28/2003 4:23:27 PM PST by restornu (I am a child of God:)
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To: BibChr
Let me qualify my last statment, I hit Send before I finished my thoughts. It matters how I live Jesus Christ's teachings, that is how I will be judged. I do believe that his gospel has been restored in these latter days, that we have the fullness. I will seek truth and His teachings. I will let Him be my judge.
254 posted on 01/28/2003 4:26:55 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Utah Girl
If by "lived the way he taught" you include subjecting your thinking and beliefs to His word, the Bible, I couldn't agree more!! And that puts the whole matter of spirituality on such an objective plane, just as Jesus Himself says: judge by fruits.

This is how you know that no one can be comfortable in the Mormon cult, and walk with Jesus, at the same time. They call in opposite directions. You can read it in black and white, no indigestion or anything. Praise Him for His wisdom, truth and goodness!

Dan
255 posted on 01/28/2003 4:31:23 PM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: Illbay; drstevej
Nice try. Feel better?

So now, back to the facts...

Still standing untouched:

1. Massive numbers of gods != one God

2. Grace + Faith + Works != by grace alone through faith alone

Dan
256 posted on 01/28/2003 4:35:07 PM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: restornu
<< Latter Day Saints are Sanctified in Jesus Christ! By the power of the Melchizedek Priesthood. >>

Not possible. How can heretics who deny God's fundamental truths be sanctified?

Sanctification is to be found in Jesus Christ alone — and He is outside the Mormon cult (Hebrews 10:10).

Dan
257 posted on 01/28/2003 4:37:05 PM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: BibChr
You must be in your early 20's
258 posted on 01/28/2003 4:37:19 PM PST by restornu (I am a child of God:)
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To: Utah Girl; drstevej
"Restored in the latter days"? If you mean the days of Christ's coming, the Gospel has indeed been manifested (Hebrews 1:1, 2). Since then, it has never been lost; it has always been there, clear as a bell, in 1 Corinthians 15:1ff, and all over His Word.

If by "restored" you mean — as I hope you do not — "restored" in a cult headed up by a mental case which features denying and perverting fundamental Biblical doctrines (the oneness of God, salvation by faith alone through grace alone, and so on ad inf.), then you couldn't be further from the truth.

And in that case Jesus has indeed judged you. He has pronounced you damned, if you continue in a perversion of His good news (Galatians 1:8, 9).

Dan
259 posted on 01/28/2003 4:40:22 PM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: restornu
You must be white.
260 posted on 01/28/2003 4:40:51 PM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: BibChr

We'll see!:)
261 posted on 01/28/2003 4:52:08 PM PST by restornu (I am a child of God:)
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To: BibChr
I am sure that is a negative with you! but the Lord create All kinds of us:)
262 posted on 01/28/2003 4:55:26 PM PST by restornu (I am a child of God:)
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To: P-Marlowe
They say that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that barks the loudest is the one that got hit.

Thats what my pastor always says. Its true. I was lucky that my grandmothers breaking away from the LDS church is what caused my dad to raise us as jack-mormons. When I excepted the Lord, I thought I was a Mormon until I started reading the Bible. I had never been in any other church but the Mormon church, and no one had told me any thing about what church to join, or not join. My mothers, mother had taken us to Mormon church twice a week while we were growing up. I wasn't too interested in religion, but always loved the Lord and knew He was real. When I was 15, I had a wonderful born again experience. It was at a Christian rock concert. I came home, and couldn't get enough of reading the Bible. Before I ever went to a Bible Study, or Church I knew I was not a Mormon just from reading the Bible. I was lucky that my mind was not all clouded with mens religious garbage.

It was later on when I started studying my family history that I found out what Mormonism, and the Mormon doctrine was all about.
263 posted on 01/28/2003 5:32:41 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: restornu
Christians are sanctified by the Blood of Jesus Christ. This is the one, and only way to get to God.
264 posted on 01/28/2003 5:39:16 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium
Thats what my pastor always says.

I think we must go to the same church. Check my profile page and see if your church's website is listed. :-)

I had a wonderful born again experience. It was at a Christian rock concert.

Mine was after a christian concert at a coffee house in Stanton CA in 1971. BTW what group was playing? Are you still into listening to Christian Rock music? Check out my profile page for some awesome Christian music sites

It was later on when I started studying my family history that I found out what Mormonism, and the Mormon doctrine was all about.

I had to leave Mormonism before I was ready to truly accept Jesus (on HIS terms). I left Mormonism after I lost a debate with some Christians that I was trying to convert.

265 posted on 01/28/2003 5:57:11 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Sounds like we have alot in common. I excepted Jesus at a "Jesus People Army" rock concert in a park in Richland, Washigton. It was August 21, 1970 I was only 15, but had been away from home partying with 3 of my wild girlfriends. We went to that park to party. 2 of us were changed. I was, and am again living in Idaho. Yes, I am still listening to Christian rock music. The pastor I was talking about oversees several churches now. He is from California, and has a twin brother who is a pastor in California.His name is Tucker.

Your profile page looks interesting, I will take some time to look over it.

My husband grew up in a Lutheran church. He was converted to Mormonism in the 70's. They sent him on a mission to Salt Lake City. He was completely into it. So much so that he was excommunicated for taking the teachings of Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young seriously. He joined the fundlementalists, and wrote a Mormon book about how the church of today has left the teachings of Smith, and Young. It was while researching, and writing this book that his eyes were opened. He is sensitive to Mormons feelings because he knew how it felt. He doesn't like to see people make fun of them. I agree with him. I just believe that by them seeing, and knowing the truth is the only way to freedom.
266 posted on 01/28/2003 7:00:33 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

Inside these walls I found Jesus.

Fitting name, eh?

It was literally true for me. I was on my way to a fiery eternity and then I met Jesus who rescued me from the flames. A lot of people were rescued from the flames in this place.

267 posted on 01/28/2003 7:34:25 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: BibChr
OK, so explain to me why I will be damned for my beliefs, when others can just say "I'm saved and believe in Jesus Christ" and all their sins are forgiven them, regardless of how they live after that. I live by His teachings, I believe Christ died and atoned for my sins, so what's the difference? BTW, I always get a kick out of all of you saying we members of the LDS church are going to burn in hell. I do believe I would leave that up to the Lord, Jesus Christ.
268 posted on 01/28/2003 8:26:03 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Delphinium
How very interesting. I was born into an LDS family, and had the Bible read to me from the time I was a baby. As soon as I was old enough to read, I given my own Bible stories to read (published by another denomination even.) And then as soon as I was able to understand Bible language (at age 8 or so), I was given my own Bible, as well as Book of Mormon to read from (we were also taught from the Book of Mormon.) I was taught about Jesus Christ, and have always known he was my Savior, from the time I was very small. Sorry, I do not understand people who say that the LDS church doesn't teach about Jesus Christ. I spent four years in seminary, and took Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, and LDS Church History. So for two of those years we studied the Bible.
269 posted on 01/28/2003 8:30:25 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Wrigley; RnMomof7; drstevej; P-Marlowe; Elsie; BibChr
I am so hurt! I want to be on your list! :-)
270 posted on 01/28/2003 8:39:52 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Illbay
N.B. If drstevej, BibChr, RnMomof7, Wrigley, Elsie, and Philip Marlowe dropped dead, there'd BE no more "Mormon-bashing" on FR.

Bill you do not mean that do you?...God is faithfull to raise up witnesses there would just be more to give the Gospel ...and I know you do not wish us harm any more than we do you

271 posted on 01/28/2003 8:49:29 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CARepubGal; Illbay
I am so hurt! I want to be on your list! :-)

That was Illbay's death wish list. You need to ask him if you are worthy.

Just think of my disappointment. I was LAST on his list. :-(

272 posted on 01/28/2003 9:00:05 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
I 'm not worthy! Although after reading William LeBaron's story, I dunno if being on a Mormon death list is a good idea....(LeBaron got saved and has an interesting tale from polygamy)
273 posted on 01/28/2003 9:06:14 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Utah Girl
OK, so explain to me why I will be damned for my beliefs, when others can just say "I'm saved and believe in Jesus Christ" and all their sins are forgiven them, regardless of how they live after that.

But they can't. They have to actually have faith in Jesus, not just say they do. And that faith will produce changes in how they live.

I live by His teachings, I believe Christ died and atoned for my sins, so what's the difference?

The difference is that you don't live by His teachings. If you did, you'd flee from unity with blasphemers.

274 posted on 01/28/2003 9:25:59 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Utah Girl
OK, so explain to me why I will be damned for my beliefs

People are damned for their sins. they are saved solely by the atoning sacrifice of Christ on the cross for their sins. If you think that there is anything you can do to save yourself from your sins or if you think there are additional requisites to forgiveness of your sins, such as "obedience to the laws and ordinances of the (LDS)gospel" or baptism by the LDS Church or anything other than the Blood of Jesus Christ, then you are denying the sacrifice of Jesus for your sins and hence you are still under the condemnation of your own sins.

Now in order to believe in Jesus you need to believe in THE TRUE Jesus and not some counterfeit Jesus. The Mormons believe that Jesus is literally the Brother of Satan and that Jesus was not God from all eternity and that Jesus did not create everything, etc. This is not the Jesus that is revealed in scripture. the Jesus revealed in Scripture is the ETERNAL WORD OF GOD.

Hence if you buy into the Mormon doctrine, then (IMHO) you do not believe in the Jesus that died on the cross and your belief will not be effective in bringing about any atonement for your sins.

275 posted on 01/28/2003 9:37:01 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: A.J.Armitage
You're not my judge, Jesus Christ will judge me and will judge how I lived my life and followed His teachings. I'm not perfect, but I have faith in Jesus Christ and in His power. And since you seem to know all, exactly what teachings do I not live???
276 posted on 01/28/2003 9:40:17 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: P-Marlowe
Um, OK, so you don't believe in baptism? And you contradicted yourself. First of all, you say we don't have to do anything to be saved by Jesus Christ, if that is true, then my beliefs shouldn't condemn me to everlasting hell. Can't have it both ways.
277 posted on 01/28/2003 9:43:22 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: P-Marlowe; A.J.Armitage
I'd love to spar with you guys all night long, but I've been hit with a headache. Talk to you tomorrow. And again, I will let Jesus Christ judge me on Judgement day. His judgement is the one that matters. :)
278 posted on 01/28/2003 9:48:13 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Utah Girl
First of all, you say we don't have to do anything to be saved by Jesus Christ, if that is true, then my beliefs shouldn't condemn me to everlasting hell.

Your beliefs do not condemn you, your sin condemns you. your belief in another Jesus is merely an obstacle on the path to salvation. Just go around that obstacle and accept the sacrifice of Jesus for your sins and Believe on the Jesus that is revealed in the Bible and you will be saved.

The problem is that you refuse to acknowledge that you believe in a different Jesus. You need to simply surrender to the Jesus who can actually save you, not the one that Joseph Smith invented, not the Brother-of-Satan-promoted-to-the-godhead-by-the-council-of-the-gods-on-Kolob Jesus, but the creator-of-everything-there-is-no-God-besides-me-the-first-and-the-last-the-almighty Jesus.

Are you willing to do that?

Are you willing to follow Jesus even if it means following him OUT of the LDS Church?

Or does the LDS Church mean more to you than the REAL Jesus?

279 posted on 01/28/2003 9:58:31 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Utah Girl
You're not my judge, Jesus Christ will judge me and will judge how I lived my life and followed His teachings. I'm not perfect, but I have faith in Jesus Christ and in His power. And since you seem to know all, exactly what teachings do I not live???

An Arian or a Gnostic or an outright pagan could say the same thing.

I'm not judging you. You're right, Jesus will. I'm just telling you that unless you're given the grace to become a Christian, He'll damn you. I'm not singling you out; that's the way it works for everyone.

As for where you aren't following His teachings, I think I already mentioned blasphemy. To affirm the Mormon belief in the plurality of gods and to affirm that God was a mere human on some other world ruled by some other god is to blaspheme. No Christian can ever be a Mormon.

280 posted on 01/28/2003 10:24:15 PM PST by A.J.Armitage
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To: Utah Girl
I don't doubt that you had a Bible.I know that Mormons include the Bible among the books they read. They are very different though. The point I was trying to make was that I never really heard about Jesus.I honestly never heard that Jesus died on the cross for me.I never heard that "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son" I knew all about Joseph Smith, and his vision. Had a picture on my wall of it. It was when I was born again that I understood, and wanted to read the Bible.

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again John 3.3-7

On another thread I answered Grid about you Mormons distancing yourself from the Journal of Discourses. He said there was a clear process to make new scripture, or doctrine. This was my answer, and a very important thing for you to pay attention too.

What is the clear process by which new doctrine and scripture is excepted into your religion? In the Christian faith there is no new doctrine, or scripture.We are warned many times in the Bible not to except any new, or different doctrine. Not to add to, or take from the Bible.We are being warned not to listen to even an angel from heaven, or Paul himself if he tried to change that Gospel. This is a very serious thing. Scriptures worth repeating:

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel, which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an ANGEL from heaven, preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.Galatians 1,6-9

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works@ Cor.11,13-15

No I am not trying to decieve. I honestly believe that what Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young and others taught is very relevant to your religion. How can you except this man made religion without excepting what the the very men that made it have to say about it. CRAZY!! You have to see through your own protest? You want to pick, and choose depending on how socially exceptable their teaching is today.


281 posted on 01/28/2003 10:28:00 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Utah Girl
Hope you feel better soon. Just remember this: LaDell LaDean LaVell LaVerl (Ok silly but so was the person who said this to mock some of the funny Utah names) :-)
282 posted on 01/28/2003 10:28:07 PM PST by CARepubGal (Liberals: what are they good for? Absolutely NOTHING!)
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To: Elsie
Whatever. I suspect that your comparing Jesus Christ to Baal will be brought up in your final interview with Him come judgement day.

Glad not to be in your shoes.

283 posted on 01/29/2003 5:51:24 AM PST by Illbay
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To: drstevej
If you "Christians" would stop pretending to be Christians, the problem would be solved forever.
284 posted on 01/29/2003 5:52:01 AM PST by Illbay
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To: BibChr
Do you ever pretend to be a Methodist? A Catholic? A Presbyterian?
285 posted on 01/29/2003 5:52:55 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Delphinium
The questions are answered. The answers are ignored. They just like continuing to ask the questions.

Something about hearing themselves talk.

286 posted on 01/29/2003 5:53:52 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay; Wrigley; BibChr; Elsie; P-Marlowe; RnMomof7; CARepubGal
***If you "Christians" would stop pretending to be Christians, the problem would be solved forever.***

So I have a choice of: [1] dropping dead - post #229; or [2] stop pretending to be what I am - post #284 ... and you will be a happy camper?

Have you ever considered the real problem might be itchy temple undergarments?

There is a product here in Lousiana that is great for rashes...

BOUDREAUX'S BUTT PASTE is indicated as a diaper rash ointment, but "It's not just for diaper rash anymore"

Abrasions, Heat Rashes, Poison Ivy, Acne, Hemorrhoids, Poison Oak, Chafed Skin, Incontinent Rashes, Psoriasis, Chapped Lips, Jock Itch, Razor Burn, Feminine Irritation, Minor Burns, Rectal Itching, Fever Blisters, Oral Lesions, Shingles, Mormon Whining.

287 posted on 01/29/2003 6:37:24 AM PST by drstevej
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To: Utah Girl; drstevej; Elsie
Responding in reverse....

Oh, you misunderstand: I totally leave it up to the Lord Jesus Christ! As a believer in Jesus, I read what He says, I believe it, I affirm it. I would be an arrogant fool to do otherwise.

And He Himself affirms OT teaching that Mormonism denies — that there is but one God, and He has no equal. And He says through the apostle Paul that anyone, angel or human, no matter how nice — and some of the nicest folks I know have been Mormons — who perverts the Gospel as Mormonism does will be damned.

For me to say other than that those who embrace the teachings of the charlatan Joseph Smith are still under God's damning sentence would be to be arrogant and disbelieving towards God, and indifferent and unloving towards my fellow men.

Secondly, as a Christian, I certainly do not believe that "others can just say 'I'm saved and believe in Jesus Christ' and all their sins are forgiven them, regardless of how they live after that." No Biblical Christian believes that! If it is a heresy to say that we are saved by works (as Mormons do), it is no less a heresy to say we are saved by words. The Bible is crystal-clear on that fact.

We are saved by grace alone through faith alone; and the faith through which we are saved never remains alone. It shows itself in works which are the result (and not the cause) of salvation (Galatians 5:6; Ephesians 2:8-10). Anything that denies either factor is a damning heresy, whether Mormonism or libertinistic antinomianism.

If you do not repent and believe in the true, living Jesus Christ, you will be damned for your sins. Sin includes refusing to do what God says, and refusing to believe what God says. In any of our case, if we do as you do, and trust to any degree to our works, we are lost. I would be no less than you.

Dan
How Can I Know God?

288 posted on 01/29/2003 6:37:48 AM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: CARepubGal; drstevej
I am so hurt! I want to be on your list! :-)

LOL! Keep trying, I'm sure there's room for you!

But just think of the agony of being #2!! So near, yet so far! They say the worst prize in a beauty contest is second place!

Dan

289 posted on 01/29/2003 6:39:04 AM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: Illbay; drstevej; Elsie; CARepubGal
Do you ever pretend to be a Methodist? A Catholic? A Presbyterian?

Are you a circus knife-thrower? You ought to be able to turn your skill at missing into something profitable.

In fact, I don't pretend to be a Roman Catholic any more than I pretend to be a Mormon, and for the same reason.

I affirm that I am a Christian as surely as any saved Methodist or Presbyterian, because we agree on the fundamental teachings of the Bible.

We don't deny and twist them, as Mormonism does.

It is only stupidity or dishonesty that would lead one to disgrace himself by suggesting that Mormonism is just another Christian denomination, like Presbyterianism or Methodism.

One God?

Salvation by grace alone through faith in Jesus alone?

Your cult forces you to embarrass yourself. Lose the date, lose the shame.

Dan

290 posted on 01/29/2003 6:45:58 AM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: Illbay; BibChr
I really think Dan (Bib Chr) needs consideration for first place on your "I wish they were all dead" list.

***Are you a circus knife-thrower? You ought to be able to turn your skill at missing into something profitable.***

You gotta admit, he has a way with words. I will switch places with him on the list if it is OK with you. Otherwise, he will just be incessant in seeking to out do me, and I know how hard that will be on you.
291 posted on 01/29/2003 6:51:34 AM PST by drstevej (the compassionate Calvinist)
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To: drstevej
You honor me, far beyond my accomplishments.

If elected, however, I will serve.

(c8
292 posted on 01/29/2003 6:53:17 AM PST by BibChr (Jesus -- not our feelings -- is the truth!)
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To: Illbay; Jean Chauvin
I also think you have slighted Jean by leaving him off the gift list for a free copy of...


293 posted on 01/29/2003 7:03:35 AM PST by drstevej (the compassionate Calvinist)
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To: Wrigley; drstevej
Evidently, the Mormons forget that CCWoody is still around.
294 posted on 01/29/2003 7:07:48 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: Illbay; CCWoody
Illbay, now you've aroused CC Woody.

Don't think that was wise.
295 posted on 01/29/2003 7:11:09 AM PST by drstevej (the compassionate Calvinist)
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To: Utah Girl
Have I lived the way he taught in the New Testament? That is what counts.

UG, that sounds an awful lot like it depends on WHAT you are DOING will determine your fate, instead of what HE has ALREADY done.



NIV John 4:37-39
 37.  Thus the saying `One sows and another reaps' is true.
 38.  I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor."
 39.  Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony, "He told me everything I ever did."
 
NIV John 5:39-40
 39.  You diligently study  the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
 40.  yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
 
NIV John 6:27-29
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." (Simple!)
 

296 posted on 01/29/2003 7:21:37 AM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Illbay
Whatever.

Whatever!

This is the best you can come up with to a reasoned reply, Whatever?


I'm not TOO worried!

KJV Matthew 12:31-32
31. Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

I would REALLY worry if I attributed something to the Holy Ghost, and it turned out not to be Him at all.

297 posted on 01/29/2003 7:28:00 AM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Illbay
Whatever. I suspect that your comparing Jesus Christ to Baal will be brought up in your final interview with Him come judgement day.

(you need to re-read MY #238 to see to what I was responding. I think you'll find that I did NOT compare Jesus to Baal.)

298 posted on 01/29/2003 7:34:15 AM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: drstevej
Actually, right now, I'm still quite busy with the pastors conference by day and the church conference at night. However, I'd be more than happy to see if I can get nominated for the "Mormon death wish list" just as soon as I'm done playing with the Pentecostal holy babblers (yes, there actually was a babbler) & Methodists & Baptists & Church of Christ & others.
299 posted on 01/29/2003 7:36:39 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: BibChr
BibChr and other Bible-thumpers, translation by Illbay:

As a believer in Jesus, I read what He says several hundred years' worth of pseudo-Christian demagogues say that Christ said, I believe conform to it like a good little minion, I affirm it (so they won't hurt me). I would be an arrogant fool show some actual guts and fortitude to do otherwise--and I just don't got what it takes.

300 posted on 01/29/2003 7:49:51 AM PST by Illbay
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