Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")

The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

[CARepubGal]

Mirror much Bill? Please provide figures (monetary, labor hours) that the Mormons exceed even one ministry in charitable service? I suggest taking a look at Samaritan's Purse.

[restornu]

Thank you for answering CA!

My questioning was not to judge you. I have no Idea if you attened a ward or a branch? The purpose for the question is that these things really have nothing to do with physical, or to form an mundane opinion.

It is to help one see how much one has in their spiritual bank account. For this is the fuel that enable one to endur trails and not fall away!

It is something that has to be continually nurtured so one is protected. It is very easy for the oposition to distract and lead one way.

[P-Marlowe]

I have been waiting for a yes or no answer to my question. Instead you found a pro-LDS Web site and cut and pasted an answer. Ok. I guess its too much to ask for just a yes or no answer.

So in response to yours I will post my own cut and paste response:



On the identity of the Mormon Jesus:

Mormon doctrine (from accepted Mormon sources) claims the following:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."
- Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15
(The same was intimated by Apostle Orson Pratt in Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, PP. 62-63)

This derives from the following:

Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan - Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:27-28 (Pearl of Great Price which is considered one of three "inspired" books by Mormons)

And from Ensign (official Church magazine), December, 1980, pp.3-5 we read:

"Jesus of Nazareth", Spencer W. Kimball's, First Presidency Message: "His [Jesus'] trials were continuous. Perhaps his brother, Lucifer, had heard him say when he was still but a lad of 12, 'Whist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?'"(Luke 2:49)

"...Then came the time when Satan thought to trip him. Their encounter in the previous world had been on more equal terms, but now Jesus was young and Satan was experienced."

More proof that the Mormon Jesus is not the Christian Jesus comes from the following Mormon source. The official LDS Church News Archives quoted current Mormon President Gordon Hinckley speaking on the identity of the Mormon Jesus back in 1998.

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do not believe in the traditional Christ.' (He said) ‘No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness (sic) of Times...In this dispensation, the Lord has declared that this Church is "the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth.’"
- LDS Church News Archives, Saturday, June 20, 1998 reporting on Hinckley’s speech to 6,600 missionaries assembled in Paris. (http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_church?dn98&9806210091.)

It should be noted that Mormon apologists try and play down the connection that their "prophets" have made concerning Jesus and Lucifer being what is commonly referred to as "spirit brothers." However, their defense becomes quickly inadequate. To demote Jesus and to elevate Lucifer to such a position begs to question the very person of God and His validity as Creator, Savior and Master of all things. Also, if God is a God of order does He allow chaos to reign between "sons"? Such thinking would mean that at some point (if you follow the Bible's teaching on origins) that Lucifer was even involved with creation! Scripture clearly instructs that he (and all of the other angels) are, were and always will be created beings - no matter what any man may claim (see Ezekiel 28:12-19). The Bible also states that God has but ONE Son. (See John 3:16) Lucifer is NOT NOW, nor EVER has been on par with God. On the other hand, the Bible Jesus IS NOW and ALWAYS has been God, second person of what is commonly referred to as the Trinity - God Almighty!



Notice that Your Living Prophet is not afraid to say that he does not believe in the traditional Jesus, but that he believes in ANOTHER Jesus. Why can't you admit that? Why can't you answer my question with a yes or a no?

[restornu]

Because the LDS does not believe in a different Jesus of the Bible!

It is you folks that embrass the Pagan version of ANOTHER JESUS the one from Consatantine known as the Nicene Creed. Their is no such referance in the Bible called the Nicene Creed.

The NC was never Authorized by a servants of the Lord, that were call as was Aaron!

[P-Marlowe]

The Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.



What exactly is it about the Nicene creed that you don't like, rest? Seems to me that this is pretty much what Utah Girl claims she believes about Jesus. What is the problem? Is it the "catholic" part? I admit I have problems with that, but otherwise it seems pretty "orthodox". Where is your objection?

[restornu]

Bla! Bla! Bla!!

Please you know the different
and you made a choice
that would fit comfortable
with your life style!

[Illbay]

I suggest if YOU looked at Samaritan's Purse, you'd find among the largest donors is the LDS Church.

[drstevej]

P-Marrlowe printed the Nicean Creed, which you consider the watershed, and asked you to explain your problem. You respond with a chorus line of animated gifs and an incoherent comment about P-M's lifestyle.

You need rest, rest. You need to rest in the One who is the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

[Wrigley]

Its good to see you're opening up.

I know your profit. He is yesterday what Benny is today. A charlatan. By their works I know them.

Had you lived in the days of the Savior's walk on this earth, you WOULD have eagerly cast the first stone.

I would have followed Him as he choose me first.

[Wrigley]

You really have been on a roll the past couple of days.

You are like the spoiled child who knows he's wrong and hates the correction. Lashing out, connecting not.

Repent of your God mocking religion so that you may be saved.

[Wrigley]

Do you think she's lying?

[Wrigley]

What are you hiding illbay?

Are you padding your expense account and feeling guilty about it?

Are you getting some renumeration on the side that no one knows about?

[Elsie]

(Clones are homeless!)

Spirit babies are homeless, too!

Also bodiless!!!

[Elsie]

Because the LDS does not believe in a different Jesus of the Bible!

What IS it about 'official LDS sources' (ref #463) that causes you to recoil so violently from them?

Is it the realization that perhaps the thing you so wish to be true and pure, has warts, errors and a crumbly foundation?

[Elsie]

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

 

GAG!  We choke on THIS,

 

 

 

 

Lucifer, our elder brother who desired the glory for himself, stood up and proposed his own plan - Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:27-28 

Moses 4:1    AND I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the begining, and he came before me, saying--Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will I all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.

 

  

And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.

 "Jesus of Nazareth", Spencer W. Kimball's, First Presidency Message: "His [Jesus'] trials were continuous. Perhaps his brother, Lucifer, had heard him say when he was still but a lad of 12, 'Whist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?'"(Luke 2:49)

 

 

 

But THESE we swallow smoothly, as if honey.

 

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--generic LDS dude

[drstevej]

***that one soul shall not be lost,***

Interesting that in LDS theology (mythology) Lucifer wants to save everybody, whereas 'LDS Jesus' presents a plan where potentially nobody is saved.

[CCWoody]

I think I'd worry less about Joseph's sins, and more about your own. Joseph has his reward, and will be judging YOU one day. You'd better worry about what he has to say. After all, he's in charge of YOUR dispensation. Be very, very, very afraid. ~ Illbay

Question: What's the difference between God and Joseph Smith?

Answer: Well,... God doesn't think He's Joseph Smith.

Woody.

[CCWoody]

Had you lived in Christ's time, you would have screamed for Barrabas. That's just a FACT. ~ Illbay

In point of fact, I do freely confess that before the Lord created in me a new heart, I would have had the murderer. I free confess that I would have enjoyed murdering even the Lord Himself. I was wicked.

Ahh, but then my hope is that the Lord didn't sacrifice Himself for a better sort.


• Luk 18:11 The Pharisee [Mormon] stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
  
  And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
  
  I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other....

Woody.

Boast on O mighty righteous one!

[P-Marlowe]

I suggest if YOU looked at Samaritan's Purse, you'd find among the largest donors is the LDS Church.

Illbay, I suggest that you look around the Samaritan's Purse Website and see if you find any references to the LDS Church's allegedly massive donations. Check it out.

Samaritan's Purse exists to carry out the Great Commission and to spread the Gospel that Billy Graham and Franklin Graham preach -- The REAL Gospel -- not the False gospel that Joseph Smith preached.

Now if you can provide us with some evidence that the LDS Church has made massive official donations to Samaritan's Purse that would indeed be interesting.

[CCWoody]

Sorry, UG, but my God is not a man from Kolob, or whatever fantasy star it is where you god was made. He does not fornicate with mortals and He is not part of a pantheon of gods.

My God is the First and the Last and beside Him there is no God.