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Utah Baby Names (That distinctive name that says, "I'm Mormon.")
The Utah Baby Namer ^ | Wes and Cari Clark

Posted on 01/24/2003 4:41:20 PM PST by A.J.Armitage

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To: Wrigley
Now you are moving the conversation to the Temple instuctions! I don't discuss what happens there!
51 posted on 01/25/2003 1:28:01 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
No I'm not.

This is more of a basic question.

Who does the calling?
52 posted on 01/25/2003 1:28:44 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
You don't know what you are talking about, this is all Temple dialogue!
53 posted on 01/25/2003 1:34:25 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
True or false.

A husband must call his wife after they both die.
54 posted on 01/25/2003 1:35:37 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
Your ride ~ <^> ~ is ready!

Your future wife is inside waiting for you:)

55 posted on 01/25/2003 1:44:47 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
What happens if a husband doesn't accept mormonism after he dies?
56 posted on 01/25/2003 1:46:59 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley; White Mountain; Utah Girl; rising tide; Grig; Rad_J; Illbay
Wrigley, you remind me of Satan in the Garden of Eden trying to beguile Eve!

Very wicked of you!

57 posted on 01/25/2003 2:02:35 PM PST by restornu
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To: Wrigley; restornu; drstevej
Come on you guys, could you ALL just for one thread put the animosity aside? Sheesh.
58 posted on 01/25/2003 2:14:21 PM PST by Grig
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To: restornu
Hold on rest. I am not asking you anything about what goes on in the temple.

My question is to how one progresses. You yourself said you are progressing and will progress over the next eons.

We had a conversation many threads ago about this very subject. IIRC, it was a very good discussion.

Now getting back to my question.

If a mormon woman's husband does not accept mormonism after he dies, how can he call his wife and continue on the eternal progression path?
59 posted on 01/25/2003 2:17:33 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Grig; restornu
No animosity on my end grig. I have no personal bad feelings towards rest.

Do you see me getting nasty with rest? I am just asking some questions that came to me from one of rest's posts.

60 posted on 01/25/2003 2:19:23 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley; Grig
Wrigley

Now you are moving the conversation to the Temple instuctions! I don't discuss what happens there!


51 posted on 01/25/2003 2:28 PM MST by restornu
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I feel you are asking things that are not available to you!

Always remember the Lord is fair and just!
61 posted on 01/25/2003 2:25:08 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
I am not talking about temple procedures or what goes on there. And you know that. You just are uncomfortable with what you know the answer to my question is.
62 posted on 01/25/2003 2:29:12 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
That is your assumption!
63 posted on 01/25/2003 2:32:46 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Pretty accurate too.
64 posted on 01/25/2003 2:33:31 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: A.J.Armitage
When I was a kid growing up Mormon in Alabama--where we have our own unique naming rituals--I wondered where some of the names I heard, those of transplanted Utah Mormons, came from.

One that I remember was a husband whose name was "DeLon," and their first child, a boy, was then named "Deldon."

I have NO IDEA why, but for some reason a guy named "DeLon" should obviously have a son named "Deldon."

Obviously.

65 posted on 01/25/2003 3:44:14 PM PST by Illbay
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To: drstevej
Ignorance personified. That's you.

There is no such thing as a "Harem" in "Mormonism."

Do a little research before you open your friggin' yap.

66 posted on 01/25/2003 3:49:22 PM PST by Illbay
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To: Grig
I come from parents who thankfully gave us boring names. Their only hangup about the names were that we were named what we were going to be called. So I have a sister named Sue, just Sue, not Susan. I worked in a pharmacy and saw firsthand how painful it was to have names that are different. One family named all of their boys after the father (Richard James, Richard David, Richard Mark, etc.) A real pain to submit the insurance forms to be reimbursed for Richard. And our joke is in order to be called to be a General Authority, you must have an initial and a middle name (N Eldon Tanner...)
67 posted on 01/25/2003 5:38:32 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Wrigley
If a mormon woman's husband does not accept mormonism after he dies, how can he call his wife and continue on the eternal progression path?

Simple, he can't. "Neither is the woman without the man nor the man without the woman in the Lord." We are both to be worthy in order to live eternally with our Heavenly Father in the Celestial Kingdom. We are all promised that if we are faithful to our covenants, keep the commandments, believe in Jesus Christ that all the blessings of the kingdom can be ours. I do not know the specifics of how that will be done, but I do believe that those worthy to live in the Celestial Kingdom will have that opportunity, and that they will have righteous spouses to continue their eternal progression together.

68 posted on 01/25/2003 5:43:00 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: A.J.Armitage
Thanks for posting the article, it was very funny. I know several Goldens, a LaDawn, and a Sherlyn (her parents are Sherman and Linda.)
69 posted on 01/25/2003 5:44:12 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Grig
My name is real boring: Karen.
70 posted on 01/25/2003 5:45:33 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Grig
My cousin and his wife named their children after their respective ancestors. Willie Solomon, Mordecai George, etc. That's a very Utah Mormon thing to do also.
71 posted on 01/25/2003 5:47:02 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Wrigley
"True or false. A husband must call his wife after they both die."

I see no reason to think that the husband MUST call her, or that if called, she MUST comply.

Couples who do not maintain love and respect for eachother in this life can not expect to have it after death. God will work out the cases where one spouse is not to blame according to his wisdom, His counsel to us is focused on not becoming such an exception, so that is what we focus on.

My mother-in-law knew a lady who was married to a non-member. For ages she tried to help her husband gain a testimony, but he had no interest in participating in ANY religion. He died in a car accident and later someone said to her 'at least now you can go to the temple and be sealed to him' to try and cheer her up. She replied 'no, he had his chance'. A couple years later she met and married a faithfull member in the temple and was never sealed to her first husband.
72 posted on 01/25/2003 5:57:24 PM PST by Grig
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To: Utah Girl
Mulitple sealings.
73 posted on 01/25/2003 6:22:06 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
How about all the men who died in wars over the centuries without being married?
74 posted on 01/25/2003 6:31:24 PM PST by Utah Girl (Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!!!)
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To: Utah Girl
Tough luck for him I guess. In the world of the LDS, he would either get the terrestial or tellestial heaven. Which isn't as good at the Celestial heaven.

My original point was a specific case of a non mormon husband who died before his mormon wife. The Mormon wife has the non-mormon husband proxy baptized. The late husband does not accept the teaching of the Lds church in the spirit world. And therefore doesn't call the Mormon wife when she dies. In this case, the hope of the Mormon woman to progress to the ultimate spot, hangs on the husband. If she is not called, she's done.
75 posted on 01/25/2003 6:47:58 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
Just got back from officiating at a wedding. We didn't check reccommends at the door. In fact we let anyone in who was interested in sharing the couple's special day.

Probably quite a few non-believers present who heard the gospel message. It was a sacred but not secret event!
76 posted on 01/25/2003 6:57:34 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Wrigley; Grig; Utah Girl
My original point was a specific case of a non mormon husband who died before his mormon wife. The Mormon wife has the non-mormon husband proxy baptized. The late husband does not accept the teaching of the Lds church in the spirit world. And therefore doesn't call the Mormon wife when she dies. In this case, the hope of the Mormon woman to progress to the ultimate spot, hangs on the husband. If she is not called, she's done.

That is NOT true there still are OPTIONS which you really are not interested! Your only to purpose is to think you might have fodder! So I don't need to discuss temple issues with you! Since you think we are pagans anyway! You mock our prophets and I should share this with you!

BTW there are ways to know if the husband accepts and it is none of your business!

You been have been beating this horse ever since my husband pass away!

I personally choose not to share all of my pearls with anti-LDS!

77 posted on 01/25/2003 7:16:26 PM PST by restornu
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To: Wrigley
I also find this so hypocrisy You and your co-heart blast me for motivating you to get married and have a family! Yet it is ok for you to get personal! You are so lacking in doing good! at least I had good intentions!
78 posted on 01/25/2003 7:25:12 PM PST by restornu
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To: Wrigley
"Tough luck for him I guess. In the world of the LDS, he would either get the terrestial or tellestial heaven. Which isn't as good at the Celestial heaven. "

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/137

When a person has REJECTED and refused something, and doesn't repent of it all their life, they have to live with the eternal consequences of it. If circumstances prevented them from some required ordinance durring life, they still will have the chance to recieve those through temple work.

People who die young, or have some other circumstance preventing them in life are not automaticly cut off, only those who have set their heart against it and WON'T or wouldn't even if they could are.

"In this case, the hope of the Mormon woman to progress to the ultimate spot, hangs on the husband. If she is not called, she's done."

Not so. A person's exhaltation can not be stopped by anyone but themselves.

President Snow: "There is no Latter-day Saint who dies after having lived a faithful life who will lose anything because of having failed to do certain things when opportunities were not furnished him or her. In other words, if a young man or a young woman has no opportunity of getting married, and they live faithful lives up to the time of their death, they will have all the blessings, exaltation, and glory that any man or woman will have who had this opportunity and improved it. That is sure and positive"

President Benson said: "I assure you that if you have to wait even until the next life to be blessed with a choice companion, God will surely compensate you" http://library.lds.org/nxt/gateway.dll/Magazines/Ensign/1988.htm/ensign%20november%201988.htm/to%20the%20single%20adult%20sisters%20of%20the%20church.htm

A valid question would be, how did this situation come about? If the LDS woman was LDS before the wedding and made the choice to marry a nonmember, then SHE knowingly put her exhaltation at risk and is not blameless. I can not find any official statement that indicates that this is a mistake that cuts the person off from full exhaltation no matter what. I assume she can repent of it (and when forgiven, God would treat her situation the same way as for a single sister), but she will still have to live with all the conflicts that arrise from having an interfaith marriage.

If she converted after marriage and he did not, or if he fall away from the church, then she is not to blame and will not be made to suffer for it. She will be no more cut off from full exhaltation than the single sisters President Benson was talking to.

The same holds true for men, the actions of their wife can not prevent them from reaching full exhaltation, only their own choices.
79 posted on 01/25/2003 8:44:07 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
If I die believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that Mormonism is heretical where do I wind up in your theological understanding?
80 posted on 01/25/2003 8:49:37 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Wrigley
"You been have been beating this horse ever since my husband pass away!"

Wrigley, your attempts to use a personal and sensitive situation of rest's as some kind of club are truely disgusting.

If you didn't intend it that way the decent thing to do is to tell her you are sorry about doing it.
81 posted on 01/25/2003 8:51:07 PM PST by Grig
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To: drstevej
"If I die believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that Mormonism is heretical where do I wind up in your theological understanding? "

In the Spirit World, the prison half of it. After that I can't really say.

Where you go from there depends on what you knew in life and what choices you make in the spirit prison. I think it's safe to say that someone who is believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior is not a son of predition, so I'll only narrow it down to one of the three kingdoms of glory.
82 posted on 01/25/2003 9:01:51 PM PST by Grig
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To: Grig
So believing in Jesus as my Savior is good enough for spirit prison with early release for good behavior?

Sad theology.
83 posted on 01/25/2003 9:13:31 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej; Grig
Your #80 to Grig: If I die believing in Jesus Christ as my Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that Mormonism is heretical where do I wind up in your theological understanding?

If you die believing in Jesus Christ as your Savior, and that belief has led you to repent of your sins and keep His commandments, loving God and doing good to others, being meek and humble and childlike, teaching all these things to your children, being a good example of holiness and righteousness to them, and to all, you will be found among the righteous in the next life. You will not be found among those who have to go to hell because they would not repent.

If you die believing in Christ, but that belief has not led you to repent of your sins or keep His commandments, are you really a believer?

Most Christians are somewhere between the two right now, and we will let God, who is both just and merciful, help them learn the lessons of life that they have not learned yet, and judge them when the time comes according to their individual behavior towards God and towards others. It is for us to exhort all to faith in Christ, repentance, holiness, righteousness, keeping the commandments, and so forth.

Now, you added something else. What if you believe in Christ, but reject those He sends to you to speak and act for Him?

Obviously, it would a serious thing to reject Peter, Paul, Isaiah, Moses, and Abraham since you know that Christ has sent them. It would be tough to convince anyone that you believe in Christ if you reject the words He spoke through Peter and Paul, who were sent to speak for Him.

When you come to know by the witness of the Holy Spirit that Jesus also sent apostles in your day, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and their successors, that changes things. But right now, you don't have that witness, and right now, God does not hold you responsible for that.

He does hold you responsible for doing what you already know from the Bible that you should do, as summarized above -- study the Bible and live accordingly.

A vital part of that is receiving the apostles and prophets whom Jesus has sent, and being willing to receive whomever Jesus may choose to send, because you cannot claim that God can no longer speak to you, nor would you say that you will not hear if He does.

In other words, leaving your personal feelings against Joseph and Brigham out of it for the moment, God can do what He wants, and you are willing to let Him. He has raised up apostles and prophets in the past, to speak to His people, to organize them, to lead them, to direct their labors in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to guide and direct the preaching of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is His way of doing things. He can do it again anytime.

Perilous times are prophesied before the Second Coming. The world has gone through much in the last 100 years, and surely there is more to come. The Lord said He wants to gather His people often. He does so by sending prophets and apostles to them:

Matthew 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

They probably said in their hearts that they were already gathered. Weren't they living right there in Jerusalem? But they did not receive those whom Jesus sent to them, nor did they receive Jesus Himself when He came in person, nor His apostles after His earthly misson was complete.

Can you say in your heart, that whatever God does, you will support it, so long as you are able to know that God is doing it? That is the purpose of the witness of the Holy Spirit. Ask of God, that you may know what God is doing today, and whom He has sent to lead, guide, and organize those labors, as the Second Coming draws nigh.

84 posted on 01/25/2003 11:09:13 PM PST by White Mountain (Jesus said, "... come, follow me." Luke 18:22)
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To: restornu
BTW there are ways to know if the husband accepts and it is none of your business!

Are you seeing a medium?

85 posted on 01/26/2003 4:37:22 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: restornu
Yet it is ok for you to get personal!

Who says I'm talking about you? Its a generic situation that has to come up.

86 posted on 01/26/2003 4:40:17 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Grig
Yes, I grief for rest's salvation. I really believe rest is a sincere and faithful woman. And knowing that what Mormoninsm teaches, her eternal fate is in jepordy.

I have tried to keep the discussion away from personal situations. I know this is a very sensitive area for rest. And I have kept that in mind as I asked my questions. To be totally honest, I felt uncomfortable asking them. But it is an important area to look into.

I'm looking at your 79 closely. I have a lot of questions.
87 posted on 01/26/2003 4:55:30 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: A.J.Armitage
IMHO, Of all the names in the Cream of the Crop,...are merely Mohammed by any other name. ....At least Muslims keep to one false name.
88 posted on 01/26/2003 5:26:16 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Wrigley
Chuckle! ya! ya! Sure Wrigley as you use the back door:)
89 posted on 01/26/2003 5:30:53 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
Well, it was open.
:)
90 posted on 01/26/2003 5:34:14 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: Wrigley
You have a rascally nature!
91 posted on 01/26/2003 5:47:09 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu; Wrigley
Now you are moving the conversation to the Temple instuctions! I don't discuss what happens there!

Aren't there some general teachings on these things outside the temple ordinances?

I do not think he was asking you to reveal any great secrets..but just what is the LDS general understanding of this

Have a good Sunday Rest

92 posted on 01/26/2003 6:04:19 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Utah Girl
I come from parents who thankfully gave us boring names

Thank them really big

Did you see the article that Black kids with rare names often do not get an interview?..I read years ago that teachers have a bias againt odd names..Best to go with the trendy or old names..

BTW I have a son that has always been called by his middle name so he uses his inital first...so some non Mormons do that too

93 posted on 01/26/2003 6:10:36 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Utah Girl
I love the name Karen..that was the name of my best friend in HS..I have not heard it in a long time..I wonder why it is not more popular..
94 posted on 01/26/2003 6:12:10 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Grig
Couples who do not maintain love and respect for eachother in this life can not expect to have it after death. God will work out the cases where one spouse is not to blame according to his wisdom, His counsel to us is focused on not becoming such an exception, so that is what we focus on.
I see no reason to think that the husband MUST call her, or that if called, she MUST comply.

You have verfied something I have said frequently and been told is not true..

A Mormon woman is alomost blackmailed into being sweet and compliant ...the realization that if her husband does not call her she can never get into the celestial kingdom is enough to keep any woman in line (and to put her on prozac for the stress)

He died in a car accident and later someone said to her 'at least now you can go to the temple and be sealed to him' to try and cheer her up. She replied 'no, he had his chance'.

How do you know if the dead husband accepted mormonism in the next life? And would he not be kept out of the celestial kingdom anyway as he was never through the necsessary ordinances??

95 posted on 01/26/2003 6:18:09 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Wrigley
Could you not picture us in the CK, I being a Pranster and you a Rascal:)

I pray by than much will have been elevated in our deportment!

96 posted on 01/26/2003 6:19:39 AM PST by restornu
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To: Grig
If she converted after marriage and he did not, or if he fall away from the church, then she is not to blame and will not be made to suffer for it. She will be no more cut off from full exhaltation than the single sisters President Benson was talking to.

But a woman can not be exhaulted without her husband..would she become the wife of another man?

97 posted on 01/26/2003 6:20:55 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Some times you let that wildy spirit you listen to blow thinks way out of the realm!

It is not an either or thing that is your religion.

In the LDS we must be justified by the Lord, he knows the Laws that need to be satified better than you are I. Man part is to believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and to repent, be baptized, and receive the Holy Spirit to guild us through the mindfilds of life. Most of all "Keep the Lords Commandments!"

We can only recieve from the Lord if we do our part! Else wise we have no promise!

98 posted on 01/26/2003 6:29:44 AM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
It is an amusing imaginary picture.
99 posted on 01/26/2003 8:27:40 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: drstevej
"So believing in Jesus as my Savior is good enough for spirit prison with early release for good behavior? Sad theology."

Do you belive a person who dies believing in Jesus Christ as their Savior and believing that Joseph Smith is a true prophet and that Mormonism is the true gospel will enter heaven? You've made it clear that you think not, so spare me the hypocracy. I at least say you would still have a chance.

Those who truely do know and love Christ will come to follow his true prophets. Those who claim to belive in Christ and reject his prophets are only kidding themselves.
100 posted on 01/26/2003 12:45:07 PM PST by Grig
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