Philosophical Problems with the Mormon Concept of God

Christian Research Institute ^ | Francis J. Beckwith

[bonfire]

"He will most certainly have some say-so in the judgement of those who lived in the latter days."

You finally answered the question about the OTHER names of the gods. Well, at least one.

[Illbay]

So, was Jesus Christ off-track when he declared to the Jews of His day, that they were answerable to Moses for their salvation? (John 5:45-47)

I realize this passage may not be part of "Bible-Prime" and so not accepted by you, but the fact remains that, as in the case of Moses, who was the Prophet to whom the Jews of that day had to look for the keys to salvation, Joseph Smith holds the keys of THIS dispensation.

Since you do not believe in Joseph, and excoriate him, you would have done the same with Moses, and you would have done the same with Jesus Christ. This is FACT.

That is why you and others like you are actually "clever" anti-Christs, not just anti-"Mormons."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is THE Church of Jesus Christ, period. You fight against the church, you fight against Christ.

This you will learn to your sorrow one day. Or maybe NOT to your sorrow, because it may well be before the end, you will curse God and die, along with all your hellish lot.

[Illbay]

You curse yourself, with every word you utter against the Lord's annointed.

There is only one reason why there are so many hellions like yourself who are obsessed with the Church: Because it is true, and because you serve your master, Satan, in fighting against it.

And it is YOUR CHOICE. This will be manifest to all on the day you are confronted with the truth, and on that day you may well drop all pretense and curse your God to His face.

At least on that day, the truth will finally be established.

[Wrigley]

BTW- NOT even the LDS has a gaurantee even me, ONLY those who are WORTHY? All- It is so comforting to know that Joseph Smith has holds your recommend.

How can you have any comfort? No matter how hard you work, someone other than Christ Himself controls your salvation.

I have the qaurantee of my ultimate Salvation. My salvation is qauranteed by Christ alone. He is my only comfort in life and in death. He is the Ultimate Comfort. I am gaurranteed.

You have just admited you have no guarantee. Look at that rest, and know from your own words the futility of Mormonism. Its right there, you admitted it yourself.

[Illbay]

My salvation is qauranteed by Christ alone.

No. Your damnation is assured. This is true because you fight against His gospel, against His prophets and apostles, and against His Church.

You are doomed unless you repent.

Doomed.

[Wrigley]

If your eyes are ever opened, you will see just how wrong you are.

[Illbay]

You can interpret it however you wish, but the fact is that there were prophets anciently, and there are prophets now. There were apostles anciently and there are apostles now.

There have ALWAYS been representatives of Christ here on the Earth, who speak with His voice and His authority. The only time this wasn't so is when He Himself was here. When the prophets and apostles hid themselves, the Church was not there, no matter how rich, magnificent and lavish the buildings, the costumes and the other trappings might have been.

Because your dead, stinking "churches" long ago lost any authority, and became churches of men without any shred of Christ to be found in them save for empty rhetoric that the practitioners long since forgot the meaning of, you think that they aren't needed, but they will ALWAYS be neeeded.

You can deny it, you can deny it till you're blue in the face, and in the end it won't matter because there they will be, and their witness will condemn you.

You will find yourself with the goats, wondering what the--ahem--"hell" happened.

[Illbay]

You have never been baptized. You have never received the the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You have never accepted the truth of Christ's gospel.

You have nothing, except the potential to repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost and begin to learn what you must do to have eternal life.

If you don't avail yourself of those opportunities, you are damned.

[JesseShurun]

You blaspheme Jesus and His followers, while insisting that your misguided selfworship and the false prophet Smith are now the only way to heaven. You have shown by your silence to my query of last week that you do not consider Christ as the one and only door to salvation. You think "your church" will save you. Just who is of the antiChrist? It ain't Wrigley.

[Wrigley]

You're right.

I haven't been baptized into the Mormon cult.

That is the only thing you are correct on in your post.

[Illbay]

My eyes were opened long ago. I know very little in the eternal scheme of things, but next to you I am a genius. I don't even mean that personally; it is simply the difference between someone who has partaken, and tasted of the fruit, and one who continues to refuse it.

It is the difference between one who consented to follow the counsel of the living prophet, and look up and live, and one who insists on denying the truth altogether.

I hope and trust that you repent before it is too late. And I hope that your pride will not prevent it, and ensure your damnation. So many fall because of pride. I hope it is not your fate.

[Illbay]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. You do not have it. In fact, you fight tooth and claw against it.

It is really rather sad. Like those in Moses' day, who had but to look up, and live, but refused to do even that simple thing because they had not the faith.

When you reject Christ's apostles and His prophets, you reject Christ. It is as simple as that.

[Wrigley]

Pride?

I'm a Cub fan.

Your eyes are closed. Your mind is clogged with man-worshipping madness.

[Illbay]

You can call it a cult, just as the Jews called the followers of the true Messiah "a cult", all you wish.

In the end, you will be damned, when you could have been saved.

What a miserable pity.

[bonfire]

You are so lost and I am so sorry.

[Illbay]

Again with the smokescreen and subterfuge.

So long as you excoriate and curse Christ's apostles and prophets, you curse Christ Himself. Had you lived in the day of His mortal ministry you would have done the same, and claimed you "had Abraham to your father."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Condemning yourself to damnation simply because you are too prideful to humble yourself and call upon His forgiveness for rejecting Him. Sad.

[JesseShurun]

Yes, you reject Christ and His prophets. You seem to have gone over the edge here. I think the cliff is in site, but behind you.

[drstevej]

***Since you do not believe in Joseph, and excoriate him, you would have done the same with Moses, and you would have done the same with Jesus Christ. This is FACT.***

Actually, it isn't fact. You are sure persistent in telling me what I believe and yet are consistently wrong. Is this Mormon logic? I do agree with you first phrase, however.

Joseph has no more prophetic claim than Mohammed AND just so you won't draw the wrong conclusion... I reject both Mohammed and Joseph as true prophets.

[Illbay]

If I am lost, it is because I do not live up to my covenants. That is not your concern.

If you are lost, it is because you were never found. How sad to see the true gospel of Christ rejected, by someone who claims that He is the way to salvation, when in fact they have faith only in dead "Creeds" that came from the corruption of the mind of men and not of God.

How sad to see damnation made sure, just because of pride in clinging to the dead corpse of that which was never alive to begin with.

[Illbay]

Funny. I accept Christ and ALL His prophets. I don't arrogantly decide I will follow some and not others. I don't arrogantly toss out parts of the Bible that can't be explained by my man-made "creeds". I don't reject the message of salvation because I might lose something earthly in the bargain.

That is you and all who are like you.