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Posted on 02/22/2003 6:21:37 AM PST by ponyespresso

BIBLE STUDY TIPS AND TECHNIQUES

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you.” Matthew 28:19, 20a

What is Bible study?

“Bible study…is the regular, careful, systematic examination of the Scriptures themselves, with an alert mind and a prayerful, open heart, and with the intent to understand and live God’s Word.”(1)

Daily devotional reading is not Bible study. Neither is Bible memorization or even hearing a verse-by-verse sermon or lecture by a pastor, teacher, or in a group setting.

Why do we need to study the Bible?

The Bible is worth studying. The Bible is God’s special revelation to His people, given so that they may have the knowledge of Him, and of His will, which is necessary first for salvation, then to walk in His will.

“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me.” John 5:39

"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16,17

We study the Bible to become mature believers. A deeper understanding of the Word of God, which is accomplished by the inner illumination of the Holy Spirit along with diligent exploration of the Scriptures, challenges our worldview, changes our nature and strengthens our walk with God.

“For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you have need again for someone to teach you the elementary principles of the oracles of God, and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the world of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.” Hebrews 5:12-14

“We come to the Scripture to be changed, not to amass information.”(2)

“[We study the Bible] to avoid or dispel misconceptions or erroneous perspectives and conclusions about the Bible.”(3)

“The supreme judge by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Spirit speaking in the Scripture.”(4)

The Bible is difficult to understand.

“Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God have him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.” 2 Peter 3: 15, 16 (if the Apostle Peter admitted that Paul was difficult to understand, how much more so us?)

Which Bible should I study?

Use a standard, formal equivalence translation rather than a dynamic equivalence or paraphrasing translation (see appendix I).

I recommend using either a New American Standard Version, New Revised Standard Version, or King James Version. Use the New International Version only as a last resort (i.e. if you do not have access to another translation, or do not have the means to acquire another translation.). You cannot use a dynamic equivalence or paraphrasing translation (i.e. The Message, Contemporary English Version, The Good News Bible, etc) for serious Bible study.

Do not use a Bible that has too many distractions, such as pictures, charts or commentary within the text itself.

Do use a Bible that has a good concordance, colour maps and a topical index if possible.

How do I study the Bible?

We will be looking at what is called the “Inductive Bible Study Method”. “’Inductive’ study is an approach to inquiry in which students learn by examining the objects of the study themselves and drawing their own conclusions about these materials from that direct encounter with them.”(5) There has been a general sense for many years now that too many Christians (whether they be theologians or new believers) spend too much time and effort reading about the Bible and too little time actually studying the Book itself. This method of study attempts to correct this by focusing the majority of work into simply reading the Bible and trying to discover what is there, rather than continually relying on other people’s opinions about what the Bible says. It is also infinitely adaptable to a persons ability or situation; you can use this method to study one small section of Scripture, one chapter or a whole book.

All of this, of course, is utterly useless unless the Spirit opens “the eyes of our hearts” (Ephesians 1:18) and we are willing and able to receive what He has for us.

“For this reason, the first step in Bible study for the Christian is really prayer – prayer that the same Spirit who inspired the writers of God’s Word may inspire and illuminate our minds as we study, prayer for a humble and teachable mind.”(6)

Instructions on the Inductive Bible Study Method

Part One: Observation
(Note: do these steps in order)

Step 1. Observation (1x)

Step 2. Observation (1x)

Step 3. Ask Questions

Step 4. Observations with a map (1x)

Step 5. Note Divisions (1x)

Step 6. Observation (1x)

Part Two: Interpretation

2. Ask questions to find answers

Ask questions to get definition.

After you have devoted a reasonable amount of time to answering the questions yourself, then you may begin to use dictionaries, encyclopaedias, commentaries and other secondary sources. Always refer to at least two different secondary sources so that you will have different points of view to consider.

If you are going to try to devote yourself to serious, continuous Bible study, I would recommend buying an exhaustive concordance and a Bible dictionary or encyclopaedia as the most essential resources for your library. Here are two examples of good resources:

Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, D. N. Freedman, ed. Grand Rapids, Mich. Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2000 (£24.73 from Amazon.co.uk)
Anchor Bible Dictionary (6 volume set), D. N. Freedman, ed, NY, Doubleday, 1992 (£197.84 from Amazon.co.uk)

If you have access to the internet, here are some helpful online sources for information:

http://www.studylight.org
http://bible.gospelcom.net
http://unbound.biola.edu
http://www.bibles.net (best site for just printing out Bible passages)
http://bible.crosswalk.com

Part Three: Application

1. Raise the “So What? Question. What does this have to do with us and with our world?

Living the Word: This is the goal of the entire process. Good Bible study is much more than an academic pursuit. It aims at human transformation by the power of God’s Word and Spirit.”(7)

Tips and Techniques


(1) David L. Thompson, Bible Study That Works (Nappanee, IN: Evangel Publishing House, 1994), p. 16.
(2) Richard J. Foster, Celebration of Discipline (San Francisco: Harper Collins, 1978), p. 69.
(3) Dr. William Klein et al., Introduction to Biblical Interpretation (Dallas, TX: Word Publishing, 1993) p. 19.
(4) Westminster Confession; Chapter I:10.
(5) Thompson, p. 12.
(6) Thompson, p. 20.
(7) Thompson, p. 85. The whole Part Three quotes heavily from Chapter 6 of Thompson.


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I will be teaching my home group Bible Study some tips and techniques on Bible Study itself. Most have been Christians for a while but still seem to be on milk, and have not really moved on to the solid food of the Word. I have culled this information from several sources and am posting it for review and advice. Please let me know if there is anything you are concerned with, any suggestions for improvement, anything you would have added or worded differently, or even anything you would suggest that I leave out entirely. Also, I would also like to know if there are any other research tools that you would consider absolutely essential, must have items that I did not include here.

Also, if you think this is good stuff and want to use it for your own study or to share with others, please be my guest (just make sure you keep the notes on the sources that I have quotes, just so we don’t get the glory, lol.)

Again, I understand that there are large tomes devoted to this subject, so don't come down too hard on what I did not include; this will eventually be a simple six or seven page handout for a Bible Study.

I am currently living in England, which is why the price for the books are in British Sterling, not Dollars.

1 posted on 02/22/2003 6:21:37 AM PST by ponyespresso
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To: ponyespresso
This is the Appendix I that I referred to under the heading “Which Bible should I study?” It is a one-page handout that shows the wide variations of different translations. I chose 1 John 3:17 because it was short, fairly self-contained and really brought out how much the various translations of the Bible go astray from the original text. If anyone has any better single scripture, though, I would be open for suggestions.


1 John 3:17 from the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament, 4th ed.

(in theory, the Greek text itself was supposed to go here, but I couldn't make it work. It will be on my handout, though. Here, however, is the word for word translation from the UBS Greek of 1 John 3:17)

now whoever has the (this) life’s possessions of the world and sees the brother of him need having and closes inner affections his from him how [does] the love of God abide in him?

King James Version
But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

New American Standard Version
But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

New Revised Standard Version
How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?

New International Version
If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?

New Living Translation
But if anyone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister in need and refuses to help – how can God's love be in that person?

Contemporary English Version
If we have all we need and see one of our own people in need, we must have pity on that person, or else we cannot say we love God.

The Message
If you see some brother or sister in need and have the means to do something about it but turn a cold shoulder and do nothing, what happens to God's love? It disappears. And you made it disappear.

2 posted on 02/22/2003 6:27:57 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: Wrigley; fortheDeclaration; Corin Stormhands; Jean Chauvin; xzins; RnMomof7; Revelation 911; ...
I don't really have any ping lists as such, so if there is anyone you know that might be interested in this, or would have an opinion about how I could make this better, please ping them and let them know about my article.

Thank you.

pony

3 posted on 02/22/2003 6:35:49 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: ponyespresso; JHavard; Havoc; OLD REGGIE; Iowegian; TrueBeliever9; Prodigal Daughter; Zadokite; ...
I have a ping list..

I did a quick read as I am on my way out...did you mention that when we read scripture we should make certain that our interpretation is always consistant with the nature and attributes of God (that is how the cults get into trouble)

4 posted on 02/22/2003 7:05:34 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: ponyespresso
Inductive Bible study is an excellent method, although it does require a lot of time. But it's worth it!!

I like your suggestion of printing out the text you are going to study to make it "uncluttered". Simple idea, but I had never thought of it!

Also noticed your reference to Anchor Bible Dictionary. I have it on CD and it is one of the best resources I have found!

5 posted on 02/22/2003 7:09:13 AM PST by computerjunkie
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks for the ping Mom.

I tend to use the inductive method a fair amount. I'll read the portion several times before I even dream of cracking open a commentary (unless something shouts out to me.) Before I get to the phrase by phrase exegesis, though, I try to get a feeling for the flow of the book (usually try to come up with a thematic outline).

There are also six guiding questions I try to keep in the back of my mind:

1.) What do you like about this passage?

2.) What do you not like about this passage? (Hey, let's admit it -- we don't like certain things that the Bible teaches. That doesn't make it less true-- so we have to safeguard against that.)

3.) What does this passage communicate about God and His nature? Us and our nature? Our relationship to Him?

4.) What do you not understand about the passage?

5.) How will you apply this passage in your life? In the next week or so?

6.) What key word or phrase will you take with you to remember this week (for application)?

When they taught us these at Crusade, I must admit that a part of me on the inside scoffed. They seemed overly simplistic, and yet, as I've used them in my studies, they've really helped. It keeps the balance between the theological (questions 3 and 4) and the practical (5 and 6), which is something that before I struggled to keep.
6 posted on 02/22/2003 7:56:52 AM PST by jude24
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To: ponyespresso; RnMomof7
One hint: Never conduct a Bible study by reading a text and then asking your listeners "What does this mean to you?"

Unfortunately, this is how a grat number of so-called "Bible studies" are conducted, and this emphasis on the subjective observations of the group is a poor way to treat the Word.

Who cares what it "means to you"? What is important is what it means to God.

Here is great articleon this subject. (Taken from the May/June 2002 issue of SBC Life.)

Author-Centered Interpretation
by Jeff Robinson

It is washing over evangelicalism like the violent waters from a broken dam and its tepid backwash threatens to leave eternal damage in its wake: the reader-centered approach to interpreting Scripture.

It often begins with innocent intentions, in, say, a Sunday school class or mid-week Bible study. The "teacher" — or perhaps more accurately, facilitator — reads a passage of Scripture. He or she follows it with the question: "Now what does this text say to you?"

And around the room it goes with disjointed responses coming like a merry-go-round off its axis: "This part where Jesus feeds the 5,000 says to me that we should not be stingy and more like the little boy with the loaves and fishes."

Or the textus classicus me-centeredus, "Philippians 4:13 means I have the power to be anything I want to be and do anything I want to do because God gives me that power."

It is against this stream of fanciful subjectivity that Robert Stein has been swimming over the past thirty-two years. Stein, the Mildred and Ernest Hogan Professor of New Testament at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary since 1997, has established a hermeneutics program which he hopes to be his enduring legacy within evangelicalism. (Hermeneutics is the study of biblical interpretation.)

Stein teaches the author-centered approach to Scripture and employs a specific vocabulary in solving the question: "What is the author's meaning?"

"I am really frightened by how many evangelicals are buying into the reader-centered approach," said Stein. "And if you really believe that it's not the author who determines the meaning, then any doctrine of inspiration is ultimately irrelevant.

"If I'm the one that is inspired in reading the text and giving meaning to it then you have to come down real low with a view of inspiration to fit that. But if you believe that what the biblical author — Mark or Paul or John — what they meant is the word of God and they are inspired in writing this, then I want to know what they meant. I want to know what they meant, not treat the biblical text as kind of an inkblot that each one of us, with good imagination, sees something in it. I think that's the key issue we're facing."

Stein is a veteran of the hermeneutical battles. Prior to coming on staff at Southern, the Jersey City, N.J., native spent twenty-eight years as New Testament professor at Bethel College and Bethel Seminary in Minneapolis.

And he has contributed many works — including a dozen books and scores of articles and reviews — to the body of scholarly evangelical literature. Among his best-known books are Jesus the Messiah, published in 1996 by InterVarsity Press; The Synoptic Problem, first published in 1987 by Baker Books; and Playing By the Rules (Baker, 1994), the textbook used in Southern's hermeneutics classes.

Though Stein is troubled by the "reader-is-king" approach to Scripture, he does see encouraging signs of life among evangelical scholars. The pool of quality scholarship among evangelicals has deepened significantly in the past three decades, Stein says, to such a degree that evangelical scholars are now being taken seriously outside of Christian schools.

Stein says he keeps his target audience in mind when writing books.

"I wrote my Playing By the Rules for lay people," he said. "I kept in mind that I was not writing this for other professors of hermeneutics, I was not writing this so that reviewers would know how smart I am, but I constantly thought of the lay reader who would read this.

"I am very much angered by those who want to make hermeneutics so complicated that people don't know how to interpret the Bible. I think hermeneutics should be very down-to-earth and basically very helpful."

Stein's upbringing may have contributed to such conviction. He was reared in New Jersey, the youngest of two sons to German parents who immigrated to America in the roaring 20s. His brother is an attorney. Stein says his parents were uneducated but wise beyond knowledge that could be gained in any school. Their work ethic was such that it instilled in the two boys an integrity and grit that would serve them well in their careers.

"My mom's education is probably up to a fourth-grade level, my dad's up to a sixth- or seventh-grade level," he said. "They had a lot of wisdom — common sense wisdom. They had integrity — they kept their word, which was very special to them. They worked very hard and gave their sons a model of hard work."

The greatest issue that evangelicals will face in the 21st century is the location of the meaning of Scripture, Stein said.

"I don't think what the evangelical is going to be struggling with over the next twenty years is going to be how to interpret Genesis or creation or things of that nature. I don't think it's going to be an issue of inspiration. I think that was done in the 1970s and early-80s. I think the issue facing us is the issue of where is the meaning of the text to be found."

7 posted on 02/22/2003 8:06:18 AM PST by Jerry_M (I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
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To: ponyespresso; Wrigley; scripter; RnMomof7; CCWoody
Now the LDS approach is much easier.

"When your bosom glows, you know."

And when it glows no matter what the text actually says in its historical grammatical context you can be sure you are right and you can act superior to all those silly people who use concordances, etc.

BTW, your material looks very useful. Two books I have found helpful.
Mortimer Adler, How to Read a Book
Howard G. Hendricks, Living by the Book
8 posted on 02/22/2003 8:17:25 AM PST by drstevej
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To: Jerry_M
I think the issue facing us is the issue of where is the meaning of the text to be found."

Intriguing. And it absolutely goes to the heart of the question that has been discussed often here: "How does one know that a particular interpretation, or a system of interpretation is the correct one?"

I would be interested in seeing other things that this man has written.

9 posted on 02/22/2003 9:17:25 AM PST by don-o
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To: ponyespresso
We often forget that the apostles were afraid so I like to include the lead-in as well as the follow-up statement to that instruction by Jesus:

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8 The eleven 9 disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had ordered them.
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10 When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted.
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11 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
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Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
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teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."

10 posted on 02/22/2003 9:33:34 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ponyespresso
?We come to the Scripture to be changed, not to amass information.?(2)

(2) Richard J. Foster, Celebration of Discipline (San Francisco: Harper Collins, 1978), p. 69.


Be very careful in your reading of Foster as he supports the Rhema school of belief
contained in the writings of Kenneth Hagin , Kenneth Copeland and others.

Further he is a follower of Agnes Sanford and her book Healing Light.

Agnes Sanford believed "experience comes before theology." She taught various visualization techniques, teaching that one could forgive another's sins through visualization.  The technique of visualization became the key to her inner healing teachings. One visualizes a situation in the past, then visualizes Jesus coming into their circumstance to solve the problem. She stated "I believe imagination is one of the most important keys to effective praying . . . God touches me through my imagination . . . Imagination is one of the keys to the relationship of prayer with God." "Prayer through the imagination . . . picturing the healing." She also promoted Jungian psychotherapy, and believed Jesus became a part of the collective unconscious of the human race.   Sanford called God "primal energy,?  ?the very life-force existing in a radiation of an energy ... from which all things evolved," that ?God ... made everything out of Himself and  He put a part of Himself into everything" and called Jesus "that most profound of psychiatrists."  Sanford's pastor was Morton Kelsey who studied at the C.G. Jung Institute near Zurich, Switzerland, and who became a Jungian psychologist, as did Sanford's son, John Sanford.

He is a practicing Quaker.


If you are going to try to devote yourself to serious, continuous Bible study, I would recommend buying an exhaustive concordance and a Bible dictionary or encyclopaedia as the most essential resources for your library. Here are two examples of good resources:

Eerdmans Dictionary of the Bible, D. N. Freedman, ed. Grand Rapids, Mich. Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 2000 (£24.73 from Amazon.co.uk)
Anchor Bible Dictionary (6 volume set), D. N. Freedman, ed, NY, Doubleday, 1992 (£197.84 from Amazon.co.uk)

For a serious study of the Word of G-d,

You might want to look at this resource : Master Christian Library, V. 8

Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say,
`Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
'" [Psalm 118:26]


Barukh haba b'Shem Adonai
Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord
Y'shua HaMashiach


chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

11 posted on 02/22/2003 9:36:00 AM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: ponyespresso
Re. Bible Study:

Thanks, excellent article. I have saved it in my Documents folder for future, and continuous, reference.

12 posted on 02/22/2003 9:45:30 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a cult of one? UNITARJEWMIAN)
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To: RnMomof7
I have a ping list..

Thank you!

I did a quick read as I am on my way out...did you mention that when we read scripture we should make certain that our interpretation is always consistant with the nature and attributes of God (that is how the cults get into trouble)

I guess I would ask you how exactly anyone arrives at the correct nature and attributes of God unless through Scripture, right? I mean, how did you come to your knowledge of the nature and attributes of God?

13 posted on 02/22/2003 9:46:54 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: XeniaSt
Be very careful in your reading of Foster as he supports the Rhema school of belief contained in the writings of Kenneth Hagin , Kenneth Copeland and others.

OH NO! GOD HELP US! The EVIL Rhema school, AND Kenneth Hagin--AND Kenneth Copeland. GOD SAVE US FROM THESE DEMONS!!!!!!!!!

14 posted on 02/22/2003 9:48:48 AM PST by Ff--150 (Praying in the Holy Ghost)
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To: computerjunkie
Inductive Bible study is an excellent method, although it does require a lot of time. But it's worth it!!

I see these things like "The 5 minute Bible Study" or some such crap and I just think that, IMO, there is no way they anyone using stuff like that is getting the solid food of the Word of God.

All this stuff, study, meditation, fasting, praying, worshiping, they ALL take up a lot of time. Good. What else do we have to do with our lives but spend it knowing and loving our Saviour, right?

Sorry, it's a tangent. Didn't mean to take it out on you, lol.

I like your suggestion of printing out the text you are going to study to make it "uncluttered". Simple idea, but I had never thought of it!

Actually, what I've been doing is making folders for the book that I am studying. For example, I am working through Numbers, so I print out the whole book; that way I can scribble all over it with notes and thoughts. Then, when I get to words or things I want to research (like the concept of redemption in Numbers chap. 3) I photocopy the articles from secondary sources (or what I have downloaded from the internet) and keep them in the folder.

Ideally I will have 66 really full folders at the end of it (which, at the rate it is going, will be in about 35-50 years.)

15 posted on 02/22/2003 9:58:39 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: jude24
Good questions. I think I might to try to incorporate some of those ideas; espically the one about what key word or phrase will you take with you this week? It has an immediacy that I like.
16 posted on 02/22/2003 10:02:04 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: Jerry_M
One hint: Never conduct a Bible study by reading a text and then asking your listeners "What does this mean to you?"

Unfortunately, this is how a grat number of so-called "Bible studies" are conducted, and this emphasis on the subjective observations of the group is a poor way to treat the Word.

Who cares what it "means to you"? What is important is what it means to God.

Scary stuff. Do you think the lesson plan I've posted encourages such subjective obervations? Or, should I include a stronger warning about sticking to what the text is saying, rather than how you *feel* about the text?

17 posted on 02/22/2003 10:05:39 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: drstevej
BTW, your material looks very useful. Two books I have found helpful.
Mortimer Adler, How to Read a Book
Howard G. Hendricks, Living by the Book

How to Read a Book; read it, loved it, will strongly consider including it in my resourses because several other people have suggested it to me as well.

Living by the Book; honestly never heard of it before, but will try to find it here.

thanks

18 posted on 02/22/2003 10:08:45 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: Ff--150
XS>Be very careful in your reading of Foster as he supports the Rhema school of belief contained in the writings of Kenneth Hagin , Kenneth Copeland and others.
XS>OH NO! GOD HELP US! The EVIL Rhema school, AND Kenneth Hagin--AND Kenneth Copeland. GOD SAVE US FROM THESE DEMONS!!!!!!!!!

14 posted on 02/22/2003 10:48 AM MST by Ff--150 (Praying in the Holy Ghost)

I pray that you understand the difference between Rhema ( the word itself as spoken by man) and Logos( the Word of G-d).

Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the
Thessalonians, for they received the message with great
eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if
what Paul said was true.

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

19 posted on 02/22/2003 10:08:49 AM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: ponyespresso
Howard Hendrick has taught Bible Study Methods at Dallas Seminary for decades and has taught thousands of seminarians (including yours truly) inductive Bible study. This text is the core of his course. It is very readable and has lots of examples.
20 posted on 02/22/2003 10:14:45 AM PST by drstevej
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To: Salvation
I chose not to use the lead in (dispite my harping on about context, lol) because I wanted to show the emphasis on teaching that Jesus uses. The church I am in now is really missionary and outreach focused, which is great, but not so hot at actually making disciples and teaching them the ways of the LORD.

Which, sad truth be told, is the failing of a majority of evangical Protestant churches these days.

21 posted on 02/22/2003 10:14:51 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: XeniaSt
Be very careful in your reading of Foster as he supports the Rhema school of belief contained in the writings of Kenneth Hagin , Kenneth Copeland and others.

My quote is from his book "Celebration of Disipline" which is one of those rare books that not only changed the way I view the world (and my role in it) but physically changed the way I live my life. I have read nothing else by him, or of the others you mentioned.

Of the total man, I know little (except, yes that he was a Quaker, which was fine since I used to be Brethren in Christ/Mennonite) but of this one work, I and many others consider it a modern Christian must-read.

Have you ever read "Celebration of Discipline"?

22 posted on 02/22/2003 10:20:34 AM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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To: ponyespresso
I guess I would ask you how exactly anyone arrives at the correct nature and attributes of God unless through Scripture, right?

Cat chasing his tail?

23 posted on 02/22/2003 10:30:46 AM PST by don-o
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To: ponyespresso
should I include a stronger warning about sticking to what the text is saying, rather than how you *feel* about the text?

Just takes the problem back one step.

If you only allow "what the text is saying," then ten people can have eleven different opinions.

If you stick with "feelings" each should only have one.

24 posted on 02/22/2003 10:36:02 AM PST by don-o
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; babylonian
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost
they caught the last train for the coast
25 posted on 02/22/2003 10:44:00 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: ponyespresso
**Which, sad truth be told, is the failing of a majority of evangical Protestant churches these days.**

And has been a major failing of the Catholic church as well. Hopefully that is getting turned around despite all the negative publicity about sexual abuse.

The challenge (and secret) is to keep the Bible Study focused on faith and truth and not religion!!!!
26 posted on 02/22/2003 10:49:56 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ponyespresso
The church I am in now is really missionary and outreach focused, which is great, but not so hot at actually making disciples and teaching them the ways of the LORD.

Actually, the ministries of Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland might not be a bad place to investigate, in spite of this other individual's feelings. They teach to take the Bible as God's Word, and apply It to one's everyday life for everyday things.

For instance, I have cancer; have had it for a long time. Should have died eight years ago and was bed-ridden for years. But I took God at His Word, as taught by Gloria Copeland, Kenneth's wife, saying over, and over, over and over, and over, etc. Isaiah 53: 5 and 1 Peter 2:24 "By whose stripes I am healed." God got me out of my death bed--it took a while, believe me! I still have this problem, but God is going to finish what He began, so I continue with my faith. Anyway, this is more of what Rhema is, rather than visualization, I guess that other poster was suggesting Rhema was?

Anyway, Rhema.org or kcm.org is where you could look.

27 posted on 02/22/2003 11:14:47 AM PST by Ff--150 (Praying in the Holy Ghost)
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To: ponyespresso
Have you ever read "Celebration of Discipline"?

22 posted on 02/22/2003 11:20 AM MST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)

It was recommended to me by a friend. I bought it. I have also done some research on Foster.

My greatest concern is in Chapter one on Meditation.

I draw your attention to page 30 third paragraph from the bottom, which includes

" Till your whole New Testament is all over autobiographic of you"

Tehillim (Psalm) 19:14 May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart
be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer

chuck <truth@YeshuaHaMashiach>

28 posted on 02/22/2003 11:26:27 AM PST by Uri’el-2012
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To: ponyespresso; All
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29 posted on 02/22/2003 12:10:57 PM PST by ppaul
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To: ponyespresso
Since i have a Greek font that i know works, i will attempt to repost your comparrison.

This is the Appendix I that I referred to under the heading “Which Bible should I study?” It is a one-page handout that shows the wide variations of different translations. I chose 1 John 3:17 because it was short, fairly self-contained and really brought out how much the various translations of the Bible go astray from the original text. If anyone has any better single scripture, though, I would be open for suggestions.

1 John 3:17from the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament, 4th ed.

o^ß d` a[n e[ch/ to;n bivon souÖ kovsmou kai; splavgcna aujtouÖ, pwÖß hJ ajgavph touÖ qeouÖ mevnei ejn aujtw/Ö;
now whoever has the (this) life’s possessions of the world and sees the brother of him need having and closes inner affections his from him how [does] the love of God abide in him?

King James Version

But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

New American Standard Version

But whoever has the world's goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him?

New Revised Standard Version

How does God's love abide in anyone who has the world's goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help?

New International Version

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?

New Living Translation

But if anyone has enough money to live well and sees a brother or sister in need and refuses to help – how can God's love be in that person?

Contemporary English Version

If we have all we need and see one of our own people in need, we must have pity on that person, or else we cannot say we love God.

The Message

If you see some brother or sister in need and have the means to do something about it but turn a cold shoulder and do nothing, what happens to God's love? It disappears. And you made it disappear.

30 posted on 02/22/2003 1:01:02 PM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (Once more dear friends into the breach, Once more~)
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To: drstevej
To: ponyespresso; Wrigley; scripter; RnMomof7; CCWoody

Now the LDS approach is much easier.

"When your bosom glows, you know."

Even when the BOM contradicts LDS doctrines(plurality of gods, plural wives, etc), they still rely on an esoteric experience instead of objective Truth.

Too bad JR caved in to Mormon whining.

31 posted on 02/22/2003 1:17:28 PM PST by Isaiah_66_2
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To: Ff--150
To: ponyespresso

The church I am in now is really missionary and outreach focused, which is great, but not so hot at actually making disciples and teaching them the ways of the LORD.

Actually, the ministries of Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland might not be a bad place to investigate, in spite of this other individual's feelings. They teach to take the Bible as God's Word, and apply It to one's everyday life for everyday things.

The problem there is that Kenny Copeland and Hagin interpret the Bible through occultic metaphysical constructs that ammount to nothing more than witchcraft.

32 posted on 02/22/2003 1:22:59 PM PST by Isaiah_66_2
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To: Isaiah_66_2; Illbay; White Mountain
Steve you are still alive?

33 posted on 02/22/2003 1:24:26 PM PST by restornu (If the Lord has confidence in you, preserve it, and take a course to produce more.)
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To: drstevej
Can you give me an update on Dr. H's health these days?
34 posted on 02/22/2003 1:28:47 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Isaiah_66_2
The problem there is that Kenny Copeland and Hagin interpret the Bible through occultic metaphysical constructs that ammount to nothing more than witchcraft.

All right. Now we are getting somewhere.

So Copeland and Hagin are out, because of their approach to Biblical interpretation.

Gonna need a scorecard to keep up here.

35 posted on 02/22/2003 2:34:14 PM PST by don-o
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; ponyespresso
o^ß d` a[n e[ch/ to;n bivon souÖ kovsmou kai; splavgcna aujtouÖ, pwÖß hJ ajgavph touÖ qeouÖ mevnei ejn aujtw/Ö;

Unless the audience has the same font, this won't work. Try transliterating. Transliterated, it would read:

hos d' an echE ton bion tou kosmou kai theOrE ton adelphon autou chreian echonta kai kleisE ta splagchna autou ap' autou, pOs hE agapE tou theou menei en autO
(Note that capitalized vowels represent "long" vowel sounds, such that O represents an omega, while o represents an omicron; and E represents an eta instead of e, epsilon.)
36 posted on 02/22/2003 5:52:04 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: ponyespresso
Again, I understand that there are large tomes devoted to this subject, so don't come down too hard on what I did not include...

While I am sure this is something you will emphasize when you have your Bible Studies, it is the one essential, without which no method of Bible study works.

Because, "... the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him ..." (1 Co 2:14), but, since, "... the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, .... (1 John 2:27), it is necessary, first to be a child of God, because it is the Spirit of God that provides the understanding of the Scriptures, and "... if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom. 8:9)

Now Paul did not rest in that fact that his converts were endowed with the spirit, but said, he did not "Cease ... to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints.

Our Lord expects us to ask for His blessings in prayer, and, promises all who seek understanding and wisdom will receive it:

Jas. 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

To summarize, to understand God's Word one must be a child of God and sincerely seek in prayer for His wisdom to understand His Word. Prayer is no doubt the most neglected and most necessary "tool" for understanding God's Word.

Just a couple of other suggestions:

1. If ever you believe you have discovered a contradiction between one portion of Scripture and another, you have made a mistake in the interpretation of one of the passages, or both.

2. The truth of Scripture will never be revealed to those who do not sincerely desire to obey whatever requirements those Scriptures might require of the Child of God. The promise is, "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine...." (John 7:17) Let no man suppose God reveals His will or His Word to those who are only curious or come to it with the attitude, "well, Lord, show me your will, then I'll decide if I'M willing to do it." The only attitude to which God reveals His will is, "Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him...." (Job 13:15)

God bless you in your endeavors to encourage others to study God's Word.

Hank

37 posted on 02/22/2003 6:29:28 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
"Prayer is no doubt the most neglected and most necessary "tool" for understanding God's Word."

Amen.

Also - learning how to "Pray the Scriptures" making our prayers coincide with God's Word - not in a cultic way but because God's Word is LIVING and truly does not return to Him Void but accomplishes that for which it was sent.

God sent His Word to heal all their destructions. (Did you know that? I didn't until just recently.)

God's Word is powerful - and Jesus Christ is God's Living Word - who has all authority in heaven and on earth!

Praise His Holy Name!!!

By the way - I met Agnes Sanford and witnessed her healing prayer for a suicidal young man who was instantly delivered of demonic forces and went away with his face beaming - totally and completely delivered and healed!

You know - God works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform. If more of us took His Word seriously - and acted upon us - we would turn the world upside down in short order.

I am more guilty than any others for not allowing God's Word to abide in me and myself abide in Him.....asking whatever I will and it will be done unto me. Because when God's Word ABIDES in us - seeps into our minds and deeper into our spirits - ministered there by HIS HOLY SPIRIT - it transforms our thinking - taking every thought captive unto Jesus Christ - so that we think the very thoughts of HIM who is our Lord and Savior. THEN enemies are routed and HIS KINGDOM brought into being right here in this sin filled world.

I witnessed just a few moments of God's healing power but am aware of many more as done legitimately through those who belong to Him and who simply take God at His Word.

Jesus is the ONE who heals - and it is through weak - but yielded human vessels - that He sovereignly ordains His work be done. Praise His Holy Name forever!

38 posted on 02/22/2003 7:51:35 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: don-o
"How does one know that a particular interpretation, or a system of interpretation is the correct one?"

I've never had to much of an issue with the interpretation of passages as to which is correct.

Rarely, if ever does the Bible only speak of something one time.

If my reading/interpretation does not fit/jive/reinforce what the other passages on the same subject seem to be saying then it is more than likely that the passage in question is being interpreted incorrectly.

My approch to Bible study is to use a concordence and to read all the passages that deal with a particular theme/topic.

Take baptism as an example.

You really do need to read all relevant sightings of baptism to understand its meaning and significance.

39 posted on 02/22/2003 10:11:43 PM PST by PFKEY
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To: ponyespresso
Well for instance it says clearly that God is not a man that he can lie...but there are cults that say he was a man...there are many that think God does lie(or change his mind after he has said something) ..Making God a man removes his omnipresence..if he lies it not only makes Him a sinful God but it removes his omniscience
40 posted on 02/23/2003 6:20:54 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Jerry_M; jude24
Never conduct a Bible study by reading a text and then asking your listeners "What does this mean to you?"

I use the inductive style personal study..I always ask who, what, where etc...

I cross reference alot and I then ask what is God telling me about Himself..THEN how do I apply that to my life (that is how I became a Calvinist:>))..

41 posted on 02/23/2003 6:34:56 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation
Great idea..We tend to forget they were men much like us..
42 posted on 02/23/2003 6:36:57 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ff--150; XeniaSt
Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland have some doctrianl views that would be considered outside professing Chriatianity (I say this as one that listened to then for years and "missed" it till it was pointed out)Sometime error is easily missed and that is when it is the most dangerous. We can see the error of the Mormons and the JWS and the Armstrong folks easily..but it is when the wolf looks like a lamb that we are most vunerable.

Take this and pray about it

http://www.apologeticsforchristians.homestead.com/FaithMovement.html
43 posted on 02/23/2003 6:43:29 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Ff--150
  Ecc 3:1   To every [thing there is] a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
  
  Ecc 3:2   A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [that which is] planted;


God knows your days and has numbered them..that is in His word too...
44 posted on 02/23/2003 6:49:12 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Yikes!How could you stand looking at Copeland? The man is just down right(yes I know I'm really shallow)ugly.
45 posted on 02/23/2003 6:55:19 AM PST by Codie
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To: Codie
As a new Christian I read and listened to everything with VERY little discernment..I actually liked his wife better than him

The faith movement seeks to manipulate God and Gods will..For every "story " like repeating the mantra over and over healed me (occult huh??) there are the silent ones that died with it on their lips

I really believe God measures our days.That does not mean I do not believe in prayer or medical treatment .God has already considered what we will do in the numbering of our days IMHO...

I ended up leaving the first protestant church I went to because it became a very name it claim it church..

46 posted on 02/23/2003 7:15:13 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
>i>As a new Christian I read and listened to everything with VERY little discernment

Yea I know,I did the very same thing.Watched alot of TBN too.That's where I saw Copeland and Hinn,as well as Jan and Paul.I remember asking God if I accepted him,did I have to act like those fools!

Graciously he said no. ;)

47 posted on 02/23/2003 7:35:10 AM PST by Codie
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To: RnMomof7; ponyespresso
Revelation 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of G-d.

48 posted on 02/23/2003 7:37:40 AM PST by Jeremiah Jr
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To: Codie
LOL..great line:>))

I have read that Copelnad is not even a trinitarian..I would have to source it..

We are told to "try the spirit" ..I think that is because God know like a baby sticks his finger in the socket ..Christian babes just soak in every thing that "sounds" christian..no discernment...that come with age

49 posted on 02/23/2003 8:10:30 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: PFKEY
My approach to Bible study is to use a concordance and to read all the passages that deal with a particular theme/topic.

You know, I have kind of a problem with that type of approach. When I was a new Christian, someone told me to do that sort of concordance search with the word "church" so I could better understand what church was all about. What happened was, I completely missed Acts Chapter 2 which even if you are not close to being a pentecostal, you must admit is a foundational event in the life if the Christian church. But the Greek word for "church" is nowhere to be found in that whole chapter.

Likewise a term like "baptism". If you merely search a concordance for that word alone, then would hit Romans 6:3,4 but, if you were only looking for the verses, you would miss the entire rest of Romans 6 which elaborates tremendously on the idea behind baptism. Or, a concept like sanctification or regeneration are often elaborated on without even using those specific terms, so a simple concordance search would be useless.

So, for proper names, like Moses or Jerusalem, maybe, but for a subject search I have serious reservations about that method.

50 posted on 02/23/2003 12:54:50 PM PST by ponyespresso (I know that my Redeemer lives)
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