Posted on 02/24/2003 9:12:32 AM PST by Frumanchu
No, but it does look like a post I made sometime back, but I cannot remember who it was.
You really are cracking up aren't you! LOL!
Charis "Seminary"????
$30 per class???????
Hey Woody, I think you found your Cracker-Jack Theology Degree! Also found this: "Distinguished" Alumnus of Charis "Seminary":
The "Reverend" Lisa Berry-Dockery
Host of the weekly "Person to Person" on AM 1430 KCOH
Associate Pastor of St. Agnes Baptist Church
She is an alumnus of Houston Baptist University and Charis Theological Seminary (source)
"The station also happens to have community-minded personalities, the likes of Lisa Berry Dockery, who openly supports Quannel X (New Black Panthers) and the Black United Front" (source)
Perhaps rdb3 can enlighten us as to the positions of these groups.
Jean
Oh c'mon Jean. I know nothing of the Charis Seminary folks. Never heard of 'em before tonight.
But it's a cheap shot to question them because of how much they charge, or don't charge. That has nothing to do with their validity.
Nope. Sorry. Sweeps week is over. I'm going back on my diet in the morning.
Good luck in the ratings.
...our old pal.
Classical Hank, so deep nobody gets you. :)
As I understand it, God made the created world, including the seen and the unseen, out of Himself. When the physicists "discover" that the mysterious black matter of the universe is really light, call me. Always a delight to see your mind at work. JS
So? What was wrong with Polycarp?
Also, wasn't Custance a Calvinist? (I believe he is deceased now)
It looks like Custance's "calvinism" is irrelevant.
It appears they like him for his goofy 'Gap-Theory' of Creation:
Historical Evidence of The Gap Theory
Pre-Geologic Age Almost without exception, the Gap theory is credited to Dr. George Chalmers of Edinburg University in 1814. Supposedly Dr. Chalmers introduced this theory in an attempt to harmonize the Genesis account with the vast periods of time demanded by uniformitarian geologists. It is then claimed to have been elaborated by George H. Pember in his work (Earth's Earliest Ages) in 1876, and finally popularized in the footnotes of the Scofield Reference Bible beginning in 1917. Today, it is said that only pinheads and nitwits of dubious scholastic background maintain a belief in the "Gap Theory". If, as it is today asserted, the theory can only be traced back to Dr. Chalmers, then the statement of its reason for introduction should not be discounted. On the other hand, if the theory antedates both Dr. Chalmers and any uniformitarian geologist, then it should and indeed must be investigated by any serious student of scripture to determine why such a Gap exist.
Mark E. Howerter, in his work "Creation VS Evolution: The Gap Theory Explained", follows the now accepted view when he wrote:
Uninformed Christians have propagated two theories that have tried to reconcile the Bible with evolution. They have done this because from kindergarten through graduate school it is taught that evolution is a proven scientific fact. Christians have swallowed this hook, line and sinker. They have tried to get God out of a bind, so to speak, because the Bible is in direct contradiction with the theory of evolution. People who take the Bible seriously and literally have introduced two theories to explain how the Bible and evolution can be reconciled. These theories are commonly known as the Gap Theory and the Day-Age Theory.Again, the above statement is typical of the majority view of the "informed" world of Christian theology and treats anyone who holds to the Gap Theory as being a child like uninformed Christian. It is further and again insinuated, that the theory was developed in order to reconcile the Bible and evolution. However, D. F. Payne, in his paper published by Tyndale Press entitled, "Genesis One Reconsidered", makes a brief statement which alludes to a different view than that of the majority: "The 'gap' theory itself, as a matter of exegesis, antedated the scientific challenge, but the latter gave it a new impetus". The right question to such a statement should have been, 'by how long did it antedate the scientific challenge, and how explicit are the earlier references.' Arthur C. Custance, rightly asserts in the book entitled "Without Form And Void." "If its antecedence can be established with any certainty, one then has to find some other reason than the threat of Geology for its having arisen".
It seems fair to state that if the Gap Theory was an accepted view held by earlier Christian commentators, it was presented without any intention of refuting a geological challenge to the veracity of the Holy Scriptures. It must therefore have arisen either because of a careful study of the original text of Scripture itself had given intimations of it, or perhaps due to some ancient tradition about the after-effects of the catastrophe itself. Why then has modern Christianity continued to assert that the Gap Theory is of modern origins? But, lest we get ahead of ourselves, let us continue our search backwards to find the true origin, if any, of the Gap Theory.
History records that during and after the Babylonian Captivity, the Jewish people began accumulating the comments and explanations of their best-known teachers of the Old Testament. These teachings were gathered together and are called the Midrash, the oldest pre-Christian exposition of the Old Testament. Louis Ginsberg, in his work entitled, "The Legends of the Jews," recorded this excerpt from the first chapter of Genesis:
from the Charis "Seminary" website
Jean
I once was, but left because of differences on certain issues.
I was recently asked to come and teach a apolgetics class, which I agreed to do.
I do not regard myself as part of the 'seminary, which to be frank, is a seminary in name only.
Amen!
As I understand it, God made the created world, including the seen and the unseen, out of Himself.
I don't expect everyone to "get" me, but obviously you have no problem.
In this case, what I said is very close to what you said yourself. I almost agree with you. (Most theologians, I think, would be upset at the expression, He made everythint "out of Himself." I like it, because it neatly does away with the ex nihilo notion, because certainly God is not nothing.
My only problem is I believe to say God exists is logically meaningless if nothing else exists, for two reasons: 1. by way of analogy, since God is not limited by material space and time, for anything to exist it must exist "somewhere" (what I call the supernatural realm) in "some form" (what I call God's nature; and 2. Since God's nature is eternal, and one aspect of that nature is creator, it is impossible that there was ever a state where God had not "created."
I take the verse in Ecclesiates 3:14, "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him." to mean "eternal," in the sense of without beginning or end:
(By the way, do you know how long it took man to discover the law of conservation of matter and energy? ...and here it was all along.)
Psalms 102:12 But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
Certainly God endures "for ever" without beginning or end.
Psslms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Again, God's righteous judgements did not have a beginning.
John 12:34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
So Christ abides forever, that is, eternally, without beginning or end.
Rom. 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Chirst is certainly "God blessed" eternally.
Often "for ever" means, "from now on and never to end," but, except where that meaning is clear, it usually means, "eternally, without beginning or end."
Hank
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