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To: BlackElk; sandyeggo; american colleen; Polycarp; Siobhan
Your argument relies rather ridiculously on the premise of "the author is a fag, we won't believe him". What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

I am going to point out that in the past few months, the uber Catholics of FR have pretty much destroyed a previously thriving and pleasant Catholic Caucus that had a lot of participants and several non-Catholic defenders. Think about it - how many Catholics want to post and hear the endless screams of "you're not Catholic enough" from those of you who are more theologically pure than the Curia? Already, only a handful of you post in order to pat one another on the back, you are occasionally joined by a very few SSPX folks, and sinkspur is about the only person on here who has the wit and the patience to put up with this nonsense on a routine basis.

You want to know why your Church is in crisis? Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

106 posted on 03/03/2003 10:51:17 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; BlackElk
Look in a mirror, and ask yourself how you treat all around you.

Go back to your nude cruises, you moral degenerate.

You are in no position to lecture us Catholics here.

107 posted on 03/03/2003 10:57:47 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What are you going to do when you embarrassedly realize that the facts stated were correct? Just how will you spin that one?

Groeschel has counseled literally hundres of priests. If he had a recidivism rate of 3 out of several hundred, that's not too damn bad.

Go back under your rock, troll.

109 posted on 03/03/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Polycarp
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Are you offereing your criticism as an ambassador for the Dark Side of the Force or as an Eastern Orthodox layman or as a 'clothing optional' enthusiast?
110 posted on 03/03/2003 11:01:40 AM PST by Siobhan (Saint Joseph, pray for us.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; Siobhan; sinkspur
Why don't you stop harrassing this poor priest? He is a sick man. You are wrong for what you are doing to him.

I doubt whether Fr. Groeschel said exactly what is quoted and remember we do not know how long they talked and what Mr. Serrano was doing to "harrass". But for the sake of the argument say the quote is accurate.

What would our opinion of Father be,if as a priest and/or confessor and/or psychologist he had said,"It's healthy to continue harrassing this poor priest. He is a sick man and you are right in doing what you're doing to him"?

After all "Vengeance is mine said the Lord". And,in the natural world as well as the supernatural,at a certain livel of understanding everyone agrees that is futile and self defeating to carry hate,anger and venom on the journey home.

And I say this while not a particular fan of Father G.,who is too saintly,gentle and kind to be my cup of tea. However,I think the writer of the article is a person with an agenda,and that agenda does not call for finding that an active homosexual clergy is for the most part responsible for the current scandal.

120 posted on 03/03/2003 12:37:42 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Just can't keep away from the Catholic threads, can you?

It's like an illness with you.

121 posted on 03/03/2003 12:38:02 PM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Polycarp; ninenot; Antoninus; Siobhan; american colleen; Campion; ...
With a first name like Brooks, the author may be a fag, may be a lesbian, may be a transsexual or any of the rest of the exotic flora and fauna cultivated by those who resist Western Civilization but the author is definitely a newsie with an agenda, else why even belong to much less lead the faggot/lesbian propagandists organization of Texas, no less.

It would be just as bad as if the author of the propagandistic hit piece were, say OPH nude cruising with a barrel of Margaritas.

CP or OPH or whomever or whatever you may be, you are apparently still operating under twin delusions: the delusion of competence and thge delusion that your opinion matters. Time is ticking and your eternal flaming future awaits. If you are not a Catholic, the business of Holy Mother the Church is none of your business.

As to the "Catholics" whom you disingenuously defend, if they are not Catholic enough, they are not Catholic. Got it?

126 posted on 03/03/2003 1:02:59 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Antoninus; ninenot; Siobhan; american colleen; sandyeggo; Campion; ...
If the Church happens to be in crisis (when was it not?) that is simply because it is the Church which Satan deems worthy of attack. The one with the Mass, the sacraments and no silly pretensions of becoming part of God when we die; the one founded by Jesus Christ Himself and guaranteed for all time by him.

You and Brooks can stuff your criticisms. You are in no position to offer us the cities below and, if you were, we would not be accepting the offer any more than Christ did. The gates of hell will not prevail and that includes you and Brooks.

128 posted on 03/03/2003 1:09:37 PM PST by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I am going to point out that in the past few months, the uber Catholics of FR have pretty much destroyed a previously thriving and pleasant Catholic Caucus that had a lot of participants and several non-Catholic defenders.

Only in your deluded, petulant little mind. Any "thriving, pleasant Catholic Caucus" did not include you, in any of your incarnations. You are a constant grouser, a Church-hater, and it is utterly impossible to have a reasonable conversation with you.
150 posted on 03/03/2003 7:24:04 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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