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To: Polycarp; sinkspur; american colleen; B Knotts; Siobhan; Dajjal
I like this article about as much as a dose of haemorrhoids (sp?), but I think sink has a point here.

The only reason that gay agitprops and the rest are able to attack the Church so liberally at this present time is that grave perversions have taken hold in the priesthood and I am certain that the scandals will take their toll of many more "good" men before this is sorted.

While the number of sex-offenders may be relatively small, the numbers involved in the collusion and cover-up have been massive, and in some respects this is the far greater perversion. I can't remember if it was Leo XIII or St Pius X who warned of the consequences for the Church when "good" men stand back and do nothing.

The see-no-evil, speak-no-evil, hear-no-evil culture of clericalism that liberal and conservative clergy alike are immersed in, has allowed no end of depravity to take place while the priests and the Levites have passed by on the other side.

The greater instinctive loyalty among the conservative clergy, as well as fear of ostracism, will have allowed many of them to be sucked in, at least to the point of erring on the side of generosity.

Psychology is at best an inexact science, if indeed it is really a science at all, and its quite likely that Groeschel has screwed up a few times. He has admitted as much in the above post by Colleen, and why not? - he is not infallible after all.

He would come out of it with more integrity if he just admitted to making some bad mistakes in these instances, or challenge the reporters to give some proof if they are lying.
60 posted on 03/02/2003 4:01:36 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
He would come out of it with more integrity if he just admitted to making some bad mistakes in these instances, or challenge the reporters to give some proof if they are lying.

Prosecutors are casting wide nets to snare anybody who had anything to do with advising bishops to return predators to situations in which they could continue to prey. You can bet that if this pitiful little DMN writer has this stuff, plaintiffs lawyers like Roderick MacLeish have it too.

Fr. Groeschel will likely get the chance to confirm or refute these accusations, whether he wants to or not.

63 posted on 03/02/2003 4:13:43 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Tantumergo
Nice balanced post - thanks!

Outta here, familial duty calls.

66 posted on 03/02/2003 4:24:00 PM PST by american colleen (Christe Eleison!)
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To: Tantumergo
I suppose you think it is a coincidence that of all the psychologists and advisors who have screwed up on this stuff, this author chooses to single out Fr. Groeschel?

This is pretty transparent, and pathetic advocacy journalism, with a lot of paraphrasing.

I'm not saying that Fr. Groeschel is beyond criticism; I'm just saying that this is the only article thus far making these accusations (I've searched), and we are oddly not told how many cases he dealt with in which he was successful in preventing future abuse.

Horrible things were done in the past, and every effort to heal those who were abused must be made. That said, we have a pretty good policy on this stuff now, with a lay review board. The primary remaining issue is convincing the bishops to embrace the Church's teachings on sexual morality. This article seems to be an effort to prevent that, by calling into question the competency of those advocating same, and smearing conservatives with the alleged mistakes of one priest. It seems disingenous to me to pretend that the general moral atmosphere embraced by much of the Church in the 60s and 70s wasn't a major part of the cause of the ambivilent attitude some took towards these crimes.

I guess we'll see that Fr. Groeschel has to say, as he will probably respond to this at some point, I'm sure.

68 posted on 03/02/2003 5:02:56 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Tantumergo
The real point is that a homosexual journalist has chosen to target Father Benedict Groeschel, C.F.R. out of all of the psychologists, counselors, and psychiatrists involved -- with intent to hang him by characterizing him as responsible for several notorious and horrific cases. Father Groeschel was chosen deliberately, and these attack pieces by this homosexual journalist are meant to do nothing more than assassinate Fr. Groeschel's character.
78 posted on 03/02/2003 8:42:48 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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