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Lawyers eye former pope's blueprint to shield clergy
Boston Herald.com ^ | Wednesday, July 30, 2003 | Robin Washington

Posted on 07/31/2003 8:21:16 PM PDT by Land of the Irish

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To: sinkspur
In its externals, no, unless you can find in the Gospels where Jesus wore gold.

We progress. You reject as UNCHRISTIAN the EXTERNALS of the Pre-V2 Catholic Church?

Perhaps you have forgotten the following:


[1] Jesus therefore, six days before the pasch, came to Bethania, where Lazarus had been dead,
 whom Jesus raised to life.
[2] And they made him a supper there: and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that were at table 
with him.
[3] Mary therefore took a pound of ointment of right spikenard, of great price, and anointed 
the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
[4] Then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, he that was about to betray him, said:
[5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6] Now he said this, not because he cared for the poor; 
but because he was a thief, and having the purse, carried the things that were put therein.
[7] Jesus therefore said: Let her alone, that she may keep it against the day of my burial.
[8] For the poor you have always with you; but me you have not always.


141 posted on 08/01/2003 7:39:19 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Antoninus
I've had to watch these secret society creeps and weirdo liberals gut the Church like a slaughtered lamb for too long. It p_ _ _ _ s me off to watch any more of this nonsense. The Bishops MUST cleanse the Church of the freaks.
I will not remain silent as long as there is one liberal neo-modernist goofball left misrepresenting the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Look, we could walk into any Catholic institution and point out the weirdo types who needed "watching." Some of them are hardly silent or secretive about their unorthodoxy.
142 posted on 08/01/2003 7:40:14 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Thorondir; sinkspur
Ancient history, but the Good Deacon has posted as if I were hatful from my very first post here. I ought not have dragged that up. Mea Culpa.
143 posted on 08/01/2003 7:40:48 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: sinkspur
The Episcopal Church has everything you have appear to have advocated in this forum: married clergy, bishops elected by diocesan synods, lay government and control at all levels, and a relaxed attitude towards doctrine.

Look what it's gotten for all of that.

144 posted on 08/01/2003 7:41:08 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: sinkspur
If you are right, then Jesus Christ failed until 2,000 years later when a group of men set Him right.

(shaking my head, but not at all surprised)
145 posted on 08/01/2003 7:41:30 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Antoninus
See 139 and 141.
146 posted on 08/01/2003 7:41:41 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Loyalist; Thorondir; Polycarp; sinkspur
I am glad my views are not soley mine then. The Good Deacon needs to either post as if he were Catholic or reinvent himself as an Episcopalian.
147 posted on 08/01/2003 7:43:37 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Thorondir; Antoninus; narses
There are six words that should greet the John Kerry and Ted Kennedy types when they approach Communion: "I cast you out unclean spirit!"
148 posted on 08/01/2003 7:44:35 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: narses
I just didn't know what you were referring to. I must say, again, that the rebukes of a devil are praises heaped upon a good man. Keep up the good work, my friend.
149 posted on 08/01/2003 7:44:36 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: narses
You reject as UNCHRISTIAN the EXTERNALS of the Pre-V2 Catholic Church?

No. I reject some of the externals as not in keeping with the life of Him who had nowhere to lay His Head.

They are, for the most part, now gone. Things like gloves for bishops, lace vestments for priests, gold mitres and jeweled rings.

You still find these things in the SSPX, if you miss them.

150 posted on 08/01/2003 7:45:18 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Boy, watch that knife!'" Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton in "The Searchers")
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To: Loyalist
And don't forget that shiny new gay bishop! The modernists won't even think of going "home" to them, because their mission is to destroy the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.
151 posted on 08/01/2003 7:46:35 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Loyalist
Look what it's gotten for all of that.

I'm not Episcopalian.

152 posted on 08/01/2003 7:47:08 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Boy, watch that knife!'" Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton in "The Searchers")
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Yes, but I would add these six; "...in the name of Jesus Christ!" I would not dare to face demons without the divine power of that Holy Name.
153 posted on 08/01/2003 7:48:32 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
In its externals, no, unless you can find in the Gospels where Jesus wore gold.

Perhaps not gold, but...

Now when Jesus was in Bethany in the house of Simon the leper, a woman came up to him with an alabaster of precious ointment, and she poured it on his head, as he reclined at table. But when the disciples saw this, they were indignant, and said, "To what purpose is this waste? For this might have been sold for much and given to the poor."

But Jesus, perceiving it, said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? She has done me a good turn. For the poor you will have always with you, but you do not always have me. For in pouring this ointment on my body, she has done it for my burial. Amen I say to you, wherever in the whole world the gospel is preached, this also that she has done shall be told in memory of her."

Matthew 26:6-13
154 posted on 08/01/2003 7:49:29 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: sinkspur
Oh? You prefer the cheap druid robes so common in today's Nervous Disorder Messes to dressing to honor the King of all Creation? Remember the man in the Gospel who refused to wear the wedding garment.
155 posted on 08/01/2003 7:51:30 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur
I'm not Episcopalian.

It's probably good that you clarified that, for nobody would have guessed by your posts.

Then again, I would hate for some new lurker to read your posts and think they represented Catholic faith. God forbid!
156 posted on 08/01/2003 7:54:15 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: sinkspur; PFKEY
Really? Jesus dealt with unenlightened men all the time without heaping contempt on them.

So you consider PFKEY "unenlightend"? Why not try enlightening him instead of grovelling before his bigotry? Might be a better tactic.

And, He did, indeed, stand by while ignorant men insulted Him.

Yes He did. But He defends his Church, his Bride. We are commanded to turn the other cheek when someone strikes us. But when someone strikes our bride? I don't recall that being in scripture....
157 posted on 08/01/2003 7:54:30 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: sinkspur
You cloak your contempt ("No. I reject some of the externals as not in keeping with the life of Him who had nowhere to lay His Head.") in faux-piety, ignoring John 12-1, why?

Our Lord was born in a Manger, but had Gold Frankincense and Myrhh brought to Him right THERE!

158 posted on 08/01/2003 7:54:36 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: Antoninus
See 141. :)
159 posted on 08/01/2003 7:55:55 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Carindal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
There are six words that should greet the John Kerry and Ted Kennedy types when they approach Communion: "I cast you out unclean spirit!"

LOL! I just had a vision of some typical AMchurch prelate saying those words and falling back as a legion of demons burst out of him in every direction.
160 posted on 08/01/2003 7:56:46 PM PDT by Thorondir
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