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NYT: Ron Paul for President... of the 'Wackos'? [Birchers, Israel-Haters, etc.]
Editor and Publisher.com ^ | 07/20/07 | E&P Staff

Posted on 07/20/2007 4:27:18 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

NEW YORK A feature piece in this coming Sunday's New York Times Magazine on Republican candidate for president, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, portrays his followers as including a wild mix of "wackos" on both ends of the political spectrum. Paul, a libertarian, has been gaining media and public attention of late.

The cover line reads: "A Genuine Radical for President." The headline inside: "The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Drug-Enforcement-Administration, Anti-medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul."

The article closes with the author, Christopher Caldwell, attending a Ron Paul Meetup in Pasadena. The co-host, Connie Ruffley of United Republicans of California, admits she once was a member of the radical right John Birch Society and when she asks for a show of hands "quite a few" attendees reveal that they were or are members, too. She refers to Sen. Dianne Feinstein as "Fine-Swine" and attacks Israel, pleasing some while others "walked out."

Caldwell notes that the head of the Pasadena Meetup Group, Bill Dumas, sent a desperate letter to Paul headquarters: "We're in a difficult position of working on a campaign that draws supporters from laterally opposing points of view, and we have the added bonus of attracting every wacko fringe group in the country....We absolutely must focus on Ron's message only and put aside all other agendas, which anyone can save for the next 'Star Trek' convention or whatever."

Asked about the John Birch Society Society by the author, Paul responds, "Is that BAD? I have a lot of friends in the John Birch Society. They're generally well-educated and they understand the Constitution. I don't know how many positions they would have that I don't agree with."

The writer concludes that the "antigovernment activists of the right and the antiwar activists of the left" may have "irreconciable" differences. But "their numbers -- and anger -- are of considerable magnitude. Ron Paul will not be the next president of the United States. But his candidacy gives us a good hint about the country the next president is going to have to knit back together."

Among many other things, we learn from the article that Paul had never heard of "The Daily Show" until he was a guest and referred to the magazine GQ as "GTU." It also notes that he was the only congress member to vote against the Financial Antiterrorism Act and a medal to honor Rosa Parks, among many others tallies, based on principle, not politics. He also is praised by liberal Rep. Barney Frank as "one of the easiest" members to work with because "he bases his positions on the merits of issues."


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"Wacko" in the original title for this article.
1 posted on 07/20/2007 4:27:21 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: Alouette; SJackson; Slings and Arrows; Jim Robinson

Ping.


2 posted on 07/20/2007 4:27:54 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked.


3 posted on 07/20/2007 4:32:10 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

They’re just catching up to what most of us already knew..


4 posted on 07/20/2007 4:33:19 PM PDT by xcamel ("It's Talk Thompson Time!" >> irc://irc.freenode.net/fredthompson)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

There are founding members of the Republican Liberty Caucus who are Holocaust survivors or children of Holocaust survivors, who know Paul personally, and none of them have ever spoken against Paul on matters relating to Israel and Jewish American issues as far as I know.


5 posted on 07/20/2007 4:33:38 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/chad-mitchell-trio-the-john-birch-society-lyrics.html

The John Birch Society

by Michael Brown

Oh, we’re meetin’ at the courthouse at eight o’clock tonight
You just walk in the door and take the first turn to the right
Be careful when you get there, we hate to be bereft
But we’re taking down the names of everybody turning left

Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society, help us fill the ranks
To get this movement started we need lots of tools and cranks

Now there’s no one that we’re certain the Kremlin doesn’t touch
We think that Westbrook Pegler doth protest a bit too much
We only hail the hero from whom we got our name
We’re not sure what he did but he’s our hero just the same

Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Socialism is the ism dismalest of all
Join the John Birch Society, there’s so much to do
Have you heard they’re serving vodka at the WCTU?

Well you’ve heard about the agents that we’ve already named
Well MPA has agents that are flauntedly unashamed
We’re after Rosie Clooney, we’ve gotten Pinkie Lee
And the day we get Red Skelton won’t that be a victory

Oh we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Norman Vincent Peale may think he’s kidding us along
But the John Birch Society knows he spilled the beans
He keeps on preaching brotherhood, but we know what he means

We’ll teach you how to spot ‘em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA’s subversive and so’s the FCC
There’s no one left but thee and we, and we’re not sure of thee

Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We’ll use our hand and hearts and if we must we’ll use our heads

Do you want Justice Warren for your Commissar?
Do you want Mrs. Krushchev in there with the DAR?
You cannot trust your neighbor or even next of kin
If mommie is a commie then you gotta turn her in

Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the Right
Join the John Birch Society as we’re marching on
And we’ll all be glad to see you when we’re meeting in the John
The John, the John Birch So- ci- i- teee


6 posted on 07/20/2007 4:34:16 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; George W. Bush; OrthodoxPresbyterian; traviskicks

FReepers siding with The New York Times against a constitutionalist Republican. This should be good.


7 posted on 07/20/2007 4:34:19 PM PDT by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: xcamel

His threads should be labeled buffoon alert


8 posted on 07/20/2007 4:36:51 PM PDT by italianquaker (When will pelosi ask congressman ellison to apologize for his 9-11 remarks?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Just about “paranoid fantasy” of the Birchers has come to pass in modern America.


9 posted on 07/20/2007 4:37:10 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: All

Saving this one for a Bircher friend. He is going to blow his lid...LOL.


10 posted on 07/20/2007 4:38:17 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (If You Support America - Thank a Soldier; If You Support Al-Qaeda - Thank a Democrat!)
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To: JTN

Ron Paul is the Lyndon LaRouche of the right.


11 posted on 07/20/2007 4:39:13 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This whole thing stems from Rep. Paul voting against aid to Israel, something he routinely does with all foreign aid, on Constitutional principle. He is no antisemite, and I challenge anyone making that claim to back it up with something other than innuendo. Innuendo and slander is all there is, to this sort of thing. Ron Paul is the sole member of either House of Congress, who has consistently voted in a manner that is always Constitutional, over a period of decades. He may or may not be your ideal presidential candidate, and I sincerely doubt he has any chance at all, but please remember this, before you go and attack the man.


12 posted on 07/20/2007 4:39:21 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: JerseyHighlander

Do they know about Paul’s stance on Iran?


13 posted on 07/20/2007 4:39:54 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Fun stuff. Fun stuff indeed. The E&P is being taken seriously. Course it has to be. Anything to discredit the one candidate who isn't for continuing the same ol', same ol' in DC. Give a good stump speech yes but when you get to Washington you better be prepared to grow government, waste money, and get involved needlessly abroad. Why it's the 'conservative' way....

Although you know I didn't see anything about 'Israel haters' in the original title. Never mind, we can let that go eh? Always good to continue a slur that has no basis in reality.

Now tell me as a good 'conservative' which Republican should I really vote for that's going to waste my tax dollars here and abroad?

14 posted on 07/20/2007 4:40:11 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: JTN
FReepers siding with The New York Times against a constitutionalist Republican. This should be good.

It is an eye opener, isn't it?

15 posted on 07/20/2007 4:40:41 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Allegra; jdm


The Paulbearer nuttery factor for this thread is
Berry

16 posted on 07/20/2007 4:42:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The Antiwar, Anti-Abortion, Anti-Drug-Enforcement-Administration, Anti-medicare Candidacy of Dr. Ron Paul."

They forgot Anti-American
17 posted on 07/20/2007 4:42:16 PM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: RegulatorCountry

This stems from Paul voting against supporting Israel and condemning Hezbollah last year and actually equivocating the two.

It stems from Paul voting against condemning Iran’s president for denying the Holocaust because he thought it was “neocon” propaganda.

I don’t think he is an anti-Semite but he isn’t pro-Israel or a friend to the Jewish community in the least.


18 posted on 07/20/2007 4:43:01 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: Petronski
Is that higher or lower than average?
19 posted on 07/20/2007 4:47:47 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists, FairTaxers and goldbugs so bad at math?)
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To: billbears
Although you know I didn't see anything about 'Israel haters' in the original title.

Please tell me you're not so toweringly, achingly stupid as to be unaware of what"[ ]" are, and what they're commonly used for; and that you're just play pretending.

20 posted on 07/20/2007 4:48:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: processing please hold
I’m always seeing ‘the Birchers’ catching flak, why? What is it with the Birch Society that has everyone up in arms? I’ve seen this so many times but never asked.

I'm with you. What little I know is that they were opposed to 1960's civil rights legislation that got them branded as racists.

21 posted on 07/20/2007 4:49:47 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Toddsterpatriot

They’re all equal. Only the flavor changes.


22 posted on 07/20/2007 4:50:34 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
don’t think he is an anti-Semite but he isn’t pro-Israel or a friend to the Jewish community in the least.

Are you sure you're not confusing Ron Paul with James Baker?

23 posted on 07/20/2007 4:50:40 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The more the Slimes concentrates on RuPaul, the less resources they’ll have to after viable conseratives. Let him be a lightning rod if wishes.


24 posted on 07/20/2007 4:53:08 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("You can't strengthen a zero, it will always equal zero." --Avigdor Lieberman)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I'm glad it's not just me. :)

Do you know if Birch articles are allowed on FR? Just for S&G I'd like to post some, watch panties get twisted. lol

25 posted on 07/20/2007 4:54:07 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
Birchers are the proto-typical conspiracy theorists. Although they were ardent anti-Communists, they tended to believe in things like The Protocals and to sympathize with fascism. A Bircher might tell you, "Well, maybe Hitler wasn't so bad, afterall?" Also, they were radical isolationists, thus, the pro-Axis Charles Lindberg is a Birchite icon.
26 posted on 07/20/2007 4:54:51 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: Petronski
LOL! They still can't afford Kool-aid yet, can they? :O)
27 posted on 07/20/2007 4:57:41 PM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm

Budgets are tight.


28 posted on 07/20/2007 4:59:00 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: processing please hold
"The John Birch Society believes that cabals and conspiracies throughout the world have significantly shaped history, and it seeks to expose and eliminate their claimed control in government in the modern era."
29 posted on 07/20/2007 4:59:09 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I resent the implied insult to Star Trek fans.


30 posted on 07/20/2007 4:59:37 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I better start going to their site then. Do you have a link.


31 posted on 07/20/2007 5:01:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: RegulatorCountry

No. I’m talking about Ron Paul.

He was the only Republican to vote against supporting Israel last summer and voted alongside Kucinich in not condemning Iran’s president for Holocaust denial.


32 posted on 07/20/2007 5:02:14 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: processing please hold
I almost never see JBS stuff posted, so not sure if they are frowned upon. Like I said, I know little about the whole JBS thing, except that my Mom was a one time member back before I was born. She was also a hard core feminist/ERA supporter in the 1970’s. She is easily swayed by pop culture.
33 posted on 07/20/2007 5:02:57 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: processing please hold

Google is your friend. ;) http://www.jbs.org/


34 posted on 07/20/2007 5:03:23 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: attiladhun2

Hmmm...I’m not a member and never have been but although JBS is big on conspiracy theories regarding the CFR/ World Government/NWO, all its literature is clearly anti-Hilter/anti-facist.

I think JBS got a bad rep long ago when it’s founder wrote a book that seemed to allege that Eisenhower was a commie agent.


35 posted on 07/20/2007 5:05:54 PM PDT by nvcdl
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To: attiladhun2
sympathize with fascism. A Bircher might tell you, "Well, maybe Hitler wasn't so bad, afterall?"

I don't go there.

pro-Axis Charles Lindberg is a Birchite icon.

Don't go there either.

The Protocals

Don't go there either.

Damn, I like the government conspiracy part though. Anyone who trust their government 100% is in for a surprise, imho.

36 posted on 07/20/2007 5:05:55 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Petronski

how were you able to post the picture? - I have tried but no success—help- simple approach


37 posted on 07/20/2007 5:06:58 PM PDT by EdArt (free to be)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

I haven’t seen any posted here that I can remember. I don’t know much about it either. I might check it out to see what the hullabaloo’s all about.


38 posted on 07/20/2007 5:08:30 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Thank you. I click it and bookmark it for later reading.


39 posted on 07/20/2007 5:09:17 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

I click it...oops, I’ll click it.


40 posted on 07/20/2007 5:11:05 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: billbears
You mean the one presidential candidate that has agreed with 70 democrats to cut off funding to our troops on the battlefield, so they can not eat or have ammunition to fight al Qaeda that attacked us on 9/11? You are talking about that candidate, paulnut?
41 posted on 07/20/2007 5:13:05 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: EdArt
If the picture is online, post this:

<img src=http://home.alltel.net/petronski/wylers.jpg>

Except, of course, use the internet address of YOUR picture of choice. If it shows up in preview, you've got it.

42 posted on 07/20/2007 5:14:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Just say no to Rudy McRomney.)
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To: nvcdl

Officially, the JBS is anti-Hitler and anti-facist, but the membership of that org. tend to have those sympathies. I have known several Birchers in my day, and they were to a person anti-Semite and racist. What idealogy does that sound like?


43 posted on 07/20/2007 5:20:27 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Wikipedia? That’s really fair and balanced.
44 posted on 07/20/2007 5:21:26 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room. - Churchill)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

45 posted on 07/20/2007 5:25:12 PM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender Monkey for GOP nominee.)
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To: processing please hold

A person can’t be Conservative and support the WOT and be a Bircher at the same time.


46 posted on 07/20/2007 5:27:04 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: JTN
"FReepers siding with The New York Times against a constitutionalist Republican."

Nice try at diversion, but that sophmoric trick works only on forums for idiots.

You can't ignore the gigantic elephant in the room.

Ignoring the fact that Ron Paul is a tool for 911 conspiracy kooks, and himself aligning with Rosie O'Donald and Cindy Sheehan should be highly suspect of any member of Freerepublic.

47 posted on 07/20/2007 5:31:33 PM PDT by lormand (Ron Paul - Surrender Monkey for GOP nominee.)
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To: scan59

Here’s your ping!


48 posted on 07/20/2007 5:31:34 PM PDT by scan58 (Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals.)
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To: SoCalPol

I’ll go to their site and check them out when I can find the time. Just by clicking on their link and bookmarking the site, I didn’t see anything nefarious in their article titles.


49 posted on 07/20/2007 5:32:39 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Please tell me you're not so toweringly, achingly stupid as to be unaware of what"[ ]" are,

LOL name calling? That's just pitiful....

50 posted on 07/20/2007 5:34:00 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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