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Insight Into Gun Control

Congressional Record--(Extension of Remarks)
May 15, 1989 Hon. Bill Richardson (Currently our Secretary of Energy)

Mr. RICHARDSON. Mr. Speaker, in the past months the issue of semi-automatic weapon ownership and gun ownership have come under very close, if not prejudiced, scrutiny. The Congress, having been inundated with information of varying degrees of accuracy, should take note of testimony delivered before the Senate judiciary committee's subcommittee on the Constitution. The testimony of David B. Kopel offers unique insight into the issues of gun owernship and the proposed banning of semi-automatic weapons. I commend this very informative testimony to my colleagues for their review.

Despite a string of arrests for offenses including robbery, illegal weapons sales, and assault on a police officer, Stockton murderer Patrick Purdy was never imprisoned for more than a few weeks--even after a mental health report warned that Purdy was `a danger to himself and others.' Covering the tracks of failure, California's authorities have sealed Purdy's criminal and mental health records. We urge that the coverup be ended and the records be opened, as the first step in a critical reexamination of the serious flaws of the California and national justice systems.

Purdy's criminal record demonstrated that he already knew how to buy illegal guns. Despite California's strict 15-day waiting period, he bought 5 handguns there. The only control that could have stopped Purdy from finding and using an illegal gun was prison. The tragedy in Stockton must spur the Nation into a hard look at our social control systems which are not controlling criminals. In particular, our underfunded police, prosecutorial, prison, and mental health systems need more resources.

The second amendment does not protect a right to own guns for hunting. It does guarantee an individual's right to own guns for personal defense. With the increasing prevalence of gang violence, citizens need reliable guns with quick-firing capacity.

`A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state,' the second amendment guarantees all members of the militia--all adults--the right to own militia, military-type weapons for national defense. The civilian militia was most recently called to duty in World War II by the Governors of Hawaii, Virginia, and Maryland.

Criminals will easily evade any restrictions on semi-automatic firearms, just as they currently evade restrictions on handguns.

Restrictions or bans on semi-automatics will lead to disrespect for the law, because so many otherwise law-abiding citizens will refuse to obey laws against semi-automatics.

Careful analysis of laws against `assault weapons' shows that they can be used to ban most pistols and long guns, including hunting rifles and shotguns. [Page: E1677]

[The following is a short excerpt from the written testimony presented to the Senate. Space limitations prevent printing the full analysis of all topics mentioned above in the abstract.]

This testimony is offered collectively by four law enforcement professionals, to urge that Congress take a careful, rational look at the highly charged issue of self-loading firearms. We are: Chief Gerald Arenberg, executive director of the National Association of Chiefs of Police; Deputy Sheriff Dennis Ray Martin, national president of the American Federation of Police; retired officer Stephen P. D'Andrilli, a 15-year decorated veteran of the New York City Police Department, currently president of Guardian Group International Corp., a security consulting firm; and David B. Kopel, formerly an Assistant District Attorney in New York City, currently a policy analyst for Guardian Group. [Organizations listed for identification only; we believe it improper for law enforcement executives to claim to speak on behalf of their rank and file without even consulting the rank and file.]

Too much of the debate on self-loading firearms concerns the irrelevant issue of sporting use. The Constitution does not guarantee a right to hunt, or to bowl or to hang glide. Self-loading firearms are often used for hunting or target shooting, but that is not why they deserve Constitutional protection. They deserve protection because they are militia guns--because they are made for personal and national defense.

As law enforcement officers, we have sworn to uphold the Constitution, including the provision which guarantees, in the words of Massachusetts Revolutionary War patriot Josiah Quincy, `a well-regulated militia composed of the freeholder, citizen and husbandman, who take up their arms to preserve their property as individuals, and their rights as freemen.'

As Josiah Quincy's words highlight, the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to armed self-defense. That guarantee remains valid today; a vote of the National Association of Chiefs of Police showed that 84% believe the inability of the police to protect all persons at all times justifies the civilian ownership of firearms.

Self-loading firearms are often essential for self-defense. For example, pleasure boat owners in the Gulf Coast have been stocking up on Uzis. Why? Because drug smugglers commonly pull alongside pleasure boats, murder all the passengers, use the boat to transport a load of drugs to the mainland, and then abandon the boat. The drug runner do their killing with high-powered guns stolen from the military, or bought on the same international black market that supplies cocaine by the pound.

Boat owners who hope to survive an encounter with the smugglers must arm themselves with highly reliable weapons capable of firing at several attackers in quick succession.

Anyone who reasonably fears attack by a gang--such as a store-owner in the middle of a Miami riot--could reasonably conclude that the reliability and rapid-fire capability of an Uzi or an AR-15 is the only effective way to protect his or her family from murder.

As the Supreme Court declared in U.S. v. Miller (1939), guns that are useful for the militia or for militia training are the only ones that are protected by the Constitution. Thus, it is precisely the Kalashnikovs, Uzis, AR-15s, M-14s and other civilian versions of military guns that are most clearly secured by the right to bear arms.

The Miller Court echoed the founders' clear understanding of the militia: `all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense ... expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.' The modern United States Code follows the Constitutionally-mandated definition, making subject to militia duty all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45.

Arguments that the militia is obsolete fail to consider contemporary history.

Not long ago the last Soviet troops left Afghanistan, driven out by a popular guerrilla army. The mujahedeen made effective use of, among other weapons, AK-47s which they captured from the Soviets, received from the Chinese, or constructed themselves with simple tools. While American Stinger missiles helped devastate the Soviet airforce, the missiles did not arrive until 1986, by which time the guerrillas had fought the mightiest army in world history to a draw for seven years.

During World War II, the Japanese seized several Alaskan islands, and strategists feared more Axis landings. Hawaii's governor summoned armed citizens to man checkpoints and patrol remote beach areas. The Governor of Maryland called on `the Maryland Minute Men,' including `members of Rod and Gun Clubs, of Trap Shooting Clubs and similar organizations,' for `repelling invasion forays, parachute raids, and sabotage uprisings,' as well as for patrolling beaches, water supplies, and railroads. Over 15,000 volunteers brought their own weapons to duty. Gun owners in Virginia were also mustered into home service. Americans everywhere armed themselves in case of invasion.

After the National Guard was federalized for overseas duty, the `militia proved a successful substitute for the National Guard,' according to a Defense Department study. Militiamen, providing their own guns, were trained in patrolling, roadblock techniques, and guerrilla warfare.

It has been more than 40 years since the last invading troops left American soil. No invasion is plausible in the foreseeable future. But Constitutional rights are for all time. Only the most naive believer in American omnipotence or the nuclear umbrella can feel certain that America will never again need the militia.

Further, as the late Vice President Hubert Humphrey explained, domestic dictatorship will aways be a threat: `The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.'

A few weeks ago in the Soviet state of Georgia, the Gorbachev regime confirmed how useful firearms are to freedom-loving people. After ethnic unrest and demands for autonomy, the Communist government used registration lists to confiscate all hunting rifles.

As law enforcement professionals, we have seen that restrictions on lawful gun ownership have no impact on criminal access to guns. The supply of self-loading weapons in the United States is already more than sufficient to supply the criminal market for stolen guns.

Moreover, a competent backyard mechanic can build even a fully automatic rifle. Indeed, Afghan peasants, using tools considerably inferior to those in the Sears catalogue, have built fully automatic rifles capable of firing the Soviet AK-47 cartridge. Illegal home production of handguns is already common; a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms study found that one-fifth of the guns seized by the police in Washington, D.C. were homemade.

The day that semi-automatics become illegal, organized crime will swiftly supply the criminal market with mass-produced illegal guns. Tulane Professor James Wright, author of the National Institute of Justice study of criminal gun use, argues that gun controls are less likely to reduce the pool of criminal guns than to provide organized crime with lucrative new business.

In 1986, the National Association of Chiefs of Police surveyed every major police official in the country: 97 percent believed that a firearms ownership ban would not reduce crime or keep criminals from using guns; 89 percent believed that gun control laws such as those in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and New York City had no effect on criminals; and 90 percent believed that if firearms ownership was banned, ordinary citizens would be more likely to be targets of armed violence.

Even the most severe controls on honest citizens do not stop criminals. Since 1934, anyone who wishes to buy a fully automatic weapon, such as the Thompson Submachine gun, must pass a rigorous licensing process that requires a federal fingerprint check, an F.B.I. background investigation, a letter of permission from the local police chief, a wait of up to six months, and hundreds of dollars in fees and taxes. The system works marvelously; no licensed autmoatic has ever been used in a crime.

And the system does not work at all. Automatic weapons, including the hundreds of thousands of guns missing from U.S. military arsenals, are readily obtainable, even by teenage gang members. A system that cannot control full autos will not work any better on semi-autos.

In Chicago, Washington, and New York City, gun bans have disarmed the citizenry and thereby increased crime. Please do not cause more crime by depriving American citizens of the firearms they need for self-defense in these dangerous times.

Some people contend that because self-loading rifles are more dangerous than the guns in existence in 1789, they are not protected by the Constitution.

James Madison never watched television, or talked on the telephone. Yet the first amendment protects the speech of TV reporters, and the fourth amendment protects the privacy of telephone conversations. The Bill of Rights did not speak of particular technologies, but of categories of rights: the freedom of speech, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to freedom from searches without probable cause. As technology creates new ways to exercise these rights, the Constitution provides a continuing structure for their protection.

Besides, most other Constitutional freedoms are more dangerous now than they were 200 years ago: 60 Minutes or the Miami Herald can instantly destroy a person's national reputation. The publication of leaked national security information during a war could lead to the death of American soldiers minutes later. A national security leak during a superpower confrontation could damage negotiating positions, and lead in the worst case to nuclear war.

Destructive religious cults did not exist 200 years ago. But today, freedom of religion can kill people--as we learned at Jonestown--and can cripple minds--as we see in victims of Sun Myung Moon's 20th century brainwashing techniques.

New technologies such as telephones and automobiles make possible the existence of criminal organizations of vastly greater scale--and harm--than before.

Para-military guns have killed fewer people in the last decade than Jim Jones did in one day. Despite some misinformed claims, we do not face an assault rifle crisis requiring the abrogation of Constitutional rights. Studies by the National Institute of Justice, by the B.A.T.F., and by weapons experts from the New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles police forces confirm that criminals, including drug dealers, only rarely use assault rifles. Criminals prefer the portability and concealability of handguns and sawed-off shotguns.

In these dangerous times when criminal gangs are on the rampage, the government must not infringe the American people's right to keep and bear arms that are essential for self-defense. We do not believe that any of our Constitutional rights should be put aside because it is alleged that those rights are more dangerous now. If the Constitution is obsolete--and we do not believe it is--the proper approach is to amend it, not to flout it.

Constitutional rights are for all time. [Page: E1678]


This is a great record in light of today's goings on. Make sure your Congress-critter is aware of it.

I especially like the remarks regarding a 'leak of nuclear secrets' from our current 'overseer' of Los Alamos.

Bill Richardson, former Congressman from New Mexico and former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.


Posted by:
d14truth
1 06/16/1999 10:50:28 PDT

To: d14truth
Forgot to close
the 'bold'. It's 'all' good, though.
From: d14truth
2 06/16/1999 10:54:14 PDT

To: d14truth
How did this guy get a post in the Clinton cabinet? Slick tends to strongly discourage any ability to think rationally or use logic. This one either slipped through the cracks or has had a lobotomy in the intervening years.
From: exlurker (No_Party_System)
3 06/16/1999 10:55:28 PDT

To: exlurker
"...had a lobotomy in the intervening years."

Must have 'got an offer he couldn't refuse'(or an FBI file with some interesting 'pictures' in it.
From: d14truth
4 06/16/1999 10:59:33 PDT


To: Criminal Enterprise
Learn from history. Tyranny loves 'weapons control'.
From: d14truth
5 06/16/1999 11:16:32 PDT

To: Buckaroo
What type of gun did recommend, again?
From: d14truth
6 06/16/1999 11:23:31 PDT

To: exlurker
"How did this guy get a post in the Clinton cabinet? "

Ex, It was NECESSARY that this man be gotten OUT of Congress into a position where he could be destroyed by the administration. Coordiated stupidity, I don't thiink{?} so. Peace and love, George.
From: George From Brooklyn Park
7 06/16/1999 11:24:19 PDT


To: Cincinnatus' wife
I know you will like this.
From: d14truth
8 06/16/1999 11:24:37 PDT

To: d14truth
Give this guy a medal!! It's a great read, and I sure hope someone who is waffling, or even someone who decided to vote gun-control, listens and wakes up, and votes pro-gun instead in the next few days.

Except for pointing out that armed robbery was up 300% in Australia, a year after their gun ban, he has pointed out nearly everything. Way to go.
From: coloradan
9 06/16/1999 11:26:37 PDT


To: coloradan
This WAS his position 10 years ago. He isn't saying too much today, what with Los Alamos and all.
From: d14truth
10 06/16/1999 11:46:11 PDT

To: All
"Despite a string of arrests for offenses including robbery, illegal weapons sales, and assault on a police officer, Stockton murderer Patrick Purdy was never imprisoned for more than a few weeks--even after a mental health report warned that Purdy was `a danger to himself and others.'" This quote illustrates that the problem with guns in our society is really just a problem of enforcement of existing laws. Until there is strict enforcement of existing law new legislative initiatives must be seen as nothing more than an incrimintal taking of 2nd amendment rights and a "reconstruction" of cultural attitudes towards guns.
From: jawlaw
11 06/16/1999 12:05:50 PDT

To: jawlaw
BUMP!!
From: George From Brooklyn Park
12 06/16/1999 12:09:20 PDT

To: MadAsHell, Ms Lady, & Cincinatus' wife
Another Democrat 2nd Amendment supporter speaks his mind. At least he used to.
From: d14truth
13 06/16/1999 12:36:01 PDT

To: jawlaw
Bump for your 'pick' from the post, and your eloquent statement of the precise nature of the gun-control initiative they are pushing now.
From: d14truth
14 06/16/1999 12:39:37 PDT

To: jawlaw
"...a "reconstruction" of cultural attitudes towards guns."

From guns can be good and people can be bad, to people are good and guns are bad. That's the 'feel good', about yourself, emotional 'reconstruction'.

Let me say--

Guns can be good, people can be bad;
Try to take away guns, and you'll make me mad!
From: d14truth
15 06/16/1999 12:45:41 PDT


To: d14truth
My my my, what ten years can do to a nation. Funny thing that you don't see this kind of testimony these days from either side of the aisle. To say there is no agenda is either a foolish statement or a lie.
From: Paul Bendell
16 06/16/1999 13:00:50 PDT

To: Paul Bendell
I have a few remarks about this red hot issue. First, it is first and foremost in the public eye due to the Columbine massacre. I thoroughly believe the following items about Columbine, whether true or untrue we may never know: First: Kleybold and Harris had help obtaining the weapons and making the bombs. Almost no one disputes this. (Someone with a lot of dough.) How could someone lace an entire school with bombs and other weapons and not a single soul see anything ahead of time? Second: Kleybold and Harris carried out the attack, at least the majority of it. Third: Kleybold and Harris may not have had intentions of committing suicide. Fourth: Several witnesses stated during and immediately after the shootings that there was a third gunman. These claims were quickly dismissed by the media and later dismissed by the police, at least publically. Fifth: When the police arrived, only two people had been killed. Eleven more were killed as the SWAT teams loafed around for some reason. Sixth: The third gunman was there to ensure Kleybold and Harris did not leave the building alive. The gunshot wound to Kleybold was on the left temple, he was right handed. This massacre was (I believe) carried out in order to shock the American people into okaying more gun laws. However the intent of these gun laws is for them to fail, resulting in the confiscation of all firearms in America. This is a requirement of all nations which enter the New World Order (note Europe). The purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that the people have adequete individual protection from an imperialist government. To the NWOites, the 2nd Amendment is one of their greatest obstacles.
From: flair2000
17 06/16/1999 13:29:20 PDT

To: flair2000
"...there was a third gunman."

The FBI guy's son or the FBI guy or ???.
From: d14truth
18 06/16/1999 13:35:10 PDT


To: MsLady
..spaced out, Ms_Lady, when last I tried get your attention on Sec. Richardson's 1989 2nd Amendment position.
From: d14truth
19 06/16/1999 13:42:14 PDT

To: flair2000
"This massacre was (I believe) carried out in order to shock the American people into okaying more gun laws."

I aggree. Just as OKC was used to get damning of innocents "anti-terrorism" legislation passed, just as Hitler burned the Rieishtag
From: Paul Bendell (bendell@earthlink.net)
20 06/16/1999 14:00:26 PDT


To: d14truth
"...there was a third gunman."

Hmmmm, yes indeed. And just why do you suppose the surveilance video was never released by the FBI? There is too much conflicting "evidence" with this and many other like occurences. The technique is ages old. Thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis. Problem/reaction/solution. It is known as the Hegelian dialecta.
From: Paul Bendell
21 06/16/1999 14:09:22 PDT


To: JeanS
Not only the 'founder's words on guns, but the Secretary of Energy's(and guardian of Los Alamos) as well.
From: d14truth
22 06/16/1999 19:43:18 PDT

To: 2nd Amendment
bttt
From: d14truth
23 06/16/1999 22:54:48 PDT

To: Hubert H. Humphrey quote
Further, as the late Vice President Hubert Humphrey explained, domestic dictatorship will aways be a threat: `The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.'

There are Democrats and then there are Liberal/Socialist/Communists.
From: d14truth
24 06/18/1999 08:13:55 PDT


To: d14truth

Further, as the late Vice President Hubert Humphrey explained, domestic dictatorship will aways be a threat: `The right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.'

What happened to the honest Constitutional Democrats? Hope Bill Richardson still espouses the same ideals. A good re-read.

25 Posted on 12/18/1999 12:47:48 PST by brityank (NSQ, PA)
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To: brityank

"What happened to the honest Constitutional Democrats?"

They keep getting beat out by the Social Liberals and the Communists/Marxists in the Democratic primaries.

26 Posted on 12/18/1999 14:07:56 PST by d14truth
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To: All

Bump

27 Posted on 12/19/1999 21:10:11 PST by orlop9
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