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The Plot Against Albert Gore Jr. and John F. Kennedy Jr.

Miscellaneous Miscellaneous Keywords: GORE, JFK JR., MENA,
Source: Sightings
Published: 7-20-99 Author: Sherman Skolnick
Posted on 07/21/1999 06:54:05 PDT by stillafreemind

SIGHTINGS What Happened To America's Golden Boy - Pt 2 By Sherman H. Skolnick 7-20-99         The Plot Against Albert Gore, Jr, and John F. Kennedy, Jr.     History will probably record that there were two important Fridays in July, 1999. Here are some details necessary to understand the subject matter:   1. Not widely understood by many, the former U.S. President George Herbert Walker Bush has been closely aligned in espionage and finance with William Rockefeller Clinton. In other articles, I havve raised the issue that Clinton is the illegitimate great grandson of John D. Rockefeller, founder of what some call the infamous Standard Oil Trust.     From time to time, Clinton has visited at George's compound in Kennebunkport, Maine. The two of them, jointly with Ollie North, were instrumental in the CIA's operations in the southern states. Such as, guns to the Contras in Nicaragua, and return flights of dope and other contraband through CIA's operations at the small airport in western Arkansas, at Mena. The ethnic Chinese, the Riady family, reportedly bought the tiny First National Bank of Mena, for the purpose s of laundering the proceeds from the dope traffic up through the markets in Chicago. A transit point was reportedly Garfield Ridge Trust & Savings Bank, a small closely held enterprise owned by apparent criminals in the Bankruptcy Court rackets in Chicago, jointly with Cong. Dan Rostenkowski and one of Hillary Clinton's brothers. Now a defrocked lawmaker and ex-convict, Rosty as he is called was instrumental in doing tax-evasion favors for the money laundry underworld in the Chicago markets as well as part of the aid to Bill, George, and Ollie. According to published accounts, two of Rosty's daughters have been well-paid employes on the Chicago exchanges but reportedly seldom seen on duty there.   Few have raised the questions: Their great fortune reportedly based on worldwide dope traffic and such, big banking through their Lippo Group, why did the Riadys buy a tiny bank in forested western Arkansas?     2. Joining this operation in 1991 was Chicagoan RAHM EMANUEL, an adjunct to covert operations of the American CIA. Trained in espionage and bloody tricks reportedly in Israel, Rahm was no stranger to political assassinations. His father was ostensibly part of the team that assassinated in 1948, UN Advisor from Sweden, Count Bernadotte, in the Palestine Partition controvery that led up to the formation of the State of Israel. Rahm moved to Arkansas for the 1992 Presidential election. He was reputedly an expert in raising campaign funds by extortion and blackmail. He helped jump-start Clinton's presidential campaign with 3 millions dollars that Rahm quickly obtained from a corrupt deal. Calling him a fixer, the Chicago Tribune refers in their Sunday Magazine 11/23/97, page 34 to the three million dollars without calling it as it was, corrupt. This was linked by our documents and research as follows: 58.4 million dollars was parked by a federal agency with Household International and Household Bank. The operation was the successor and alter ego of the defunct CIA proprietary, Nugan Hand Bank. [As to Nugan Hand and CIA, see: "The Crimes of Patriots" by Jonathan Kwitny.] General counsel of Nugan Hand was former Director of Central Intelligence William Colby, also having the same position, unlisted, with Household. Many related details and operations led to the murder of Colby in 1996 disguised as a "boating accident". Colby was assisting a small group of admirals and generals, which I have written about exclusively that have vainly sought since 1995, under the Military Code, to arrest Commander-in-Chief Clinto for treason with the Red Chinese.     The funds were parked to make good the long pending claims of Chicago-area caulking contractor, Joseph Andreuccetti, that a group of banks had swindled him out of many millions of dollars, offenses linked to the Clintons. Of this, a mysterious 50 million dollars was secretly transferred to Little Rock, to cover up a 47 million dollar embezzlement of Madison Guaranty S & L, for which the Clintons could be federally criminally prosecuted and imprisoned. Congressman Dan Burton [R.,Ind.] refers to this 50 million dollar mystery and said Bill Clinton sent the money out of the U.S. to a known dope money laundry center in the Caribbean. [Congressional Record, 5/29/96, pages H-5627-28.] Forty seven million of the loot was needed to cover up the embezzlement, the 3 million dollar difference was reportedly latched onto by Rahm Emanuel to start Clinton's presidential campaign.     Assisting in these transactions with concealed accounts was Harris Bank of Chicago,, a unit now of Bank of Montreal, owned jointly by whiskey-soaked Bronfman family with original Harris Bank owner Peter Fitzgerald, now U.S. Senator from Illinois. The Bronfmans were the successors, starting early in the 1930s, to the Kennedy family booze smuggling business of the 1920s,and early 1930s, called "Prohibition Era", under the U.S. Constitution, 18th Amendment, later repealed.     3. EVENTS LEADING UP TO JULY 9, 1999. Albert Gore, Jr.'s presidential campaign honchoes quietly asked John F. Kennedy, Jr., whether he would be a Vice Presidential candidate on the year 2000 ticket. Kennedy reportedly answered that he originally thought to enter the race, in opposition to Hillary Clinton, for U.S. Senator from New York. But, instead he reportedly informed them that he intended on or about August 1, 1999 to announce that he would run for President, either as a traditional Democrat or, in view of the public mistrust of both Establishment parties, as an Independent on a Third Party ticket. Kennedy urged that the matter be kept as it had been up to that point, as a closely guarded secret. Despite that, finding out about this was George Herbert Walker Bush, former Director of Central Intelligence with vast links to CIA's bloody tricks department. The former President quickly understood that John, Jr.'s plans would flatten out the chances of Presidential hopeful Bush son, George W., now Texas governor.     4. Caroline Kennedy, only other child of Jacqueline Bouvier Auchincloss Kennedy Onassis, found out about her brother's plans to run for President instead of U.S. Senate. She insisted that other members of the Kennedy family impress upon brother John, Jr. the danger of a Kennedy running for the high post of President. Caroline believed that her father, John F. Kennedy, was assassinated by a high-level cabal as was her uncle Robert F. Kennedy. Further, she understood that uncle Edward Kennedy was one of the few survivors of a June, 1964 assassination attempt by way of a sabotaged plane crash.Like her mother, Caroline did not trust the U.S. Secret Service to protect her brother as a would-be presidential candidate. Jackie had married Onassis to be out of the country with her children protected by the ship tycoon swindler's private army in or near Greece, In 1975, Onassis's son Alexander invited his father to go for a ride with the son's airplane. The once pro-Hitler ship boss declined.A few minutes later, the son died in a plane crash. Some of the controls were sabotaged to take the plane down instead of up. [Sound familiar?]     5. Presidential candidate Albert Gore, Jr., could not be counted on to whitewash dirty tricks by the American CIA. As U.S. Senator, he sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and often angered and embarrassed the spy agency community with his demands for data and for answers to his critical questions. They tried to counter him by muttering that his father, Albert Gore, Sr., was a reputed Communist-sympathizer close in business with Armand Hammer, Occidental Petroleum boss, with an office in Red Square, Moscow. Just about the time of the 1996 election, to try to counter Gore, the spy agencies reportedly instigated a book by Edward Epstein about Hammer, outlining the elder Gore's reputed Communist leanings.     6. On July 9, 1999, Air Force Two, with Gore onboard, was flying over the Chicago-area air corridor. Somehow, two or more other planes were vectored, by FAA Air Traffic Control from the suburb of Aurora, that is, directed directly into a path to crash into Gore's plane reportedly. Only one major newspaper, the Chicago Sun-Times, in its print version, not internet version, ran a story about the strange event, delaying the story until July 14, 1999. [A previous article by me on Internet has also dealt with this, 7/15/99.] The newspaper item could have been used to blackmail various folks, such as the Clinton White House, the Pentagon, and others. For you see, among the major owners reportedly of the Sun-Times, are Red Chinese and ethnic Chinese, reportedly implicated in the apparent stealing of U.S. industrial, financial, and MILITARY secrets, with the connivance of Bill Clinton. The FAA could not explain the event.   Sources at the Sun-Times and the FAA confirm there were actually THREE airplanes vectored to Gore's plane. Aviation experts contend two or more such planes thus vectored would have to be intentional. The U.S. Secret Service reportedly did not have, as required, their people on duty at the Air Traffic Control Center while the Gore plane was passing over the Chicago-area.     7. A few days after July 9, 1999, Admiral Engen, former top official of FAA and a known expert on Air Traffic Control was apparently assassinated, when his power glider disintegrated in the air. He was one of several dozen admirals and generals, not identified by me while they were alive, who were the subject of my exclusive stories about how they sought to arrest Commander-in-Chief Clinton, as authorized by the Military Code for his treasonous activities with the Red Chinese and others. These flag officers vowed, to arrest Clinton for treason with sworn enemies of the United States, a charge they had documents to prove. If arrested by Bill for mutiny, if they survived and were not murdered, they were prepared to defend themselves at Courts Martial with their proof of Clinton's treachery. My previous stories named some of those murdered since APril 17, 1995, when a planeload of them perished by sabotage.     SO, JULY 9, 1999, WAS ALMOST A BLOODY FRIDAY. The spy agencies and their forebears, are butchers, experts in ritual murders, on anniversaries of other events, a sort of power to them of Black Magic. A few examples of Friday murders: President Lincoln, Good Friday, April, 1865. President John F. Kennedy, Friday, November 22, 1963. Presidential hopeful, son of an assassinated president, secretly vowing if elected, to avenge his father, Friday, July 16, 1999,, John F. Kennedy, Jr.     8. A preliminary explanation of the disappearance of John F. Kennedy, Jr.'s plane revolves around mostly foul play. And very possibly, according to counter-terrorist sources, a should-mount missile. Of course, more facts have to be developed regarding Friday, July 16, 1999, to be sure of foul play. The disappearance apparently of weather radar reports is one item, regarding the time and place of where the plane was supposed to be. Were there satelitte images kept? In March, 1998, Daniel Potter, a key official at the super-secret National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, in charge of the satellites, was murdered, an unsolved crime. He reportedly had images showing Clinton White House aide Vincent W. Foster, Jr.'s dead body was moved from near the White House to Fort Marcy Park, Virginia, contradicting the official government big lie.     9. Reportedly blaming other members of the Kennedy family, for not stopping John, Jr. from embarking on a certain Death Warrant by a high-level cabal, a Kennedy running for President, Caroline Kennedy apparently does not wish to join the mourners at the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport.   10. Witnesses whose testimony should be required by a grand jury or other inquest as to the foregoing events:     RAHM EMANUEL, and other potentates of the markets in Chicago, interwoven with the bloody tricks of the Bush family, Bill and Hillary Clinton, as to the bloody, dirty business financed in part through the Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange.   GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, and his son, presidential hopeful, GEORGE W. BUSH, who stood to benefit from clearing off the presidential campaign field by the apparently sought-after political assasination of Albert Gore, Jr., a presidential hopeful, and John F. Kennedy, Jr., another Presidential hopeful, son of an assassinated president and vowing, in his heart of hearts, to avenge the death of his struck down family members.     TOP OFFICIALS of the FBI and the NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, as to disregarding and concealing credible witnesses that an apparent missile was seen streaking up to the plane of John, Jr., as was a missile seen streaking up to TWA Flight 800 on the same exact date, three years previous.   You can expect the monopoly press, as ever, to go along with the big lie of what happened to America's Golden Boy.     =============================   For a heavy packet of our printed stories, send $5.00 [U.S. funds] and a stamped, self-addressed BUSINESS size envelope WITH THREE STAMPS ON IT to: Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick, chairman, 9800 So.Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office: 8 a.m. to midnight, 7 days, (773)375-5741. Recorded phone message: (773) 731-1100. e-mail: skolnick@ameritech.net website(still being perfected): skolnicksreport.com NOTE's' after Skolnick.   Sherman Skolnick is moderator/producer of a Chicago public access Cable TV Program, and Chairman/founder Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts SIGHTINGS HOMEPAGE


Sorry if this has been posted already. I know maybe most would not like to see this in print, much less believe that there is a grain of truth in it. I myself would rather sift through and listen to others respond, is this Conspiracy or Corruption beyond words?

1 Posted on 07/21/1999 06:54:05 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Bump to read on the beach.

2 Posted on 07/21/1999 06:58:46 PDT by rubbertramp
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To: stillafreemind

Yeah, this kind of stuff is a conspiracy to ruin my life.

Do we now have a second generation "Who shot JFK" mystery. Jr. running for president? absurd. William Jefferson Blythe Rockefeller Clinton?

Perhaps this should be posted at the Art Bell site?

3 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:06:24 PDT by Klytemnestras_lover
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To: Klytemnestras_lover

Just curious..did you truly read and think about the article or pretty much just blow it off as crap and not read it?

4 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:08:57 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Oh give me a break! This is totally ludicrous! More garbage put out by the White House shills to make GWB look bad. They better d*mn well be able to back up those claims or they are going to be in deep doo-doo! I think I will e-mail a copy to GWB's campaign site so he can get a good laugh too!

5 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:11:56 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: stillafreemind

This is a worhtless piece of garbage from a guy who believes OJ was murderd by the Japanese drug maffia and is in agreement with Lyndon LaRouche that the Queen of England is the spawn of all evil.

6 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:15:07 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: ravingnutter

I admit it doesn't flatter Bush..but it doesn't flatter ALOT of people. I guess I was hoping people would take the time to disect this alittle more. As in, if you don't believe a point in this article..refute it with things factual...likewise, if a person does have belief in some or all facets of the article..again, express facts.

7 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:18:37 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

"Just curious..did you truly read and think about the article or pretty much just blow it off as crap and not read it?"

I know it wasn't addressed to me, but, YES.

8 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:20:04 PDT by motzman
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To: JohnGalt

YIKES!! How can he believe OJ was murdered? (Maybe I actually missed news by not watching the big three)

9 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:21:39 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Do you have the URL for this piece of garbage? I could not find it at Sightings.com. Would appreciate it!

10 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:30:09 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: stillafreemind

EXCLUSIVE What Happened To America's Golden Boy? By Sherman H. Skolnick 7-18-99

On his third birthday, he stood and saluted. Do three year olds understand great turning points in history? He stood there as the flag-draped coffin of his father was slowly drawn past. His only son watching the funeral of John F. Kennedy, assassinated 35th president of the United States. He knew as he grew up that it was his mother's wish that for their safety, no statements be made by them contradicting the big lie of the government, that a "lone assassin" blew out the brains of his father, right in front of numerous witnesses. Thereafter, dozens, if not hundreds of material witnesses were themselves murdered, such as the CIA patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, and a long list.

John F. Kennedy,Jr. knew that dark forces opposed the terrible truth. His father was ouraged on going along with a disaster shortly after taking office. The Bay of Pigs fiasco, April,1961. President Kennedy fired Director of Central Intelligence Allen Dulles who reportedly muttered under his breath to JFK, "Traitor". Was there justification for political murder and if so, when,if ever, will the high-level forces go "public"? The President vowed to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter them to the wind.

Too many assassination researchers are busy writing and selling books with conspiracy theories, and videos of the same, or setting up paid lectures and seminars, to go beyond describing what took place in Dealey Plaza. As a non-commercial assassination researcher, when I come to some political assassination seminars I am appalled how I am treated by supposed friends and acquaintances. They hoot and heckle me when I try to ask a question beyond which way the bullets went in Dealey Plaza. When I discuss the rationale of the ultra-rich for this bloody deed:

1. Such as John F. Kennedy and his friend, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., were closet communists, at least the FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover and various Directors of CIA believed that.

2. Although Kennedy once explained he was only nominally a Catholic, there were the controllers of America, if not the world, who believed the U.S. should not have a Catholic President. That has been the prevailing view from the downfall of Al Smith as presidential candidate in the 1920s to this very day. And the same forces opposed Jews on the U.S. Supreme Court and the two that did somehow get on the high court after World War Two who were removed. Justice Abe Fortas was removed by a trumped up scandal. Justice Arthur Goldberg was arm-twisted into resigning from the high court and serving instead on the United Nations. They were perceived as making too "liberal" decisions for the common man.

3. Those who call the shots, who govern us NOT by the consent of the governed, were and are afraid of the Vatican connection. Such thinking was involved in blaming certain factions centuries ago for the Gunpowder Plot in England and the period of great bloodshed with Oliver Cromwell.

4. The strongest justification for blowing out Kennedy's brains in an open car was that his his charm and language, he was causing a bad psychological view to sweep the great unwashed of America: that the era of the common man has arrived, a dangerous and seditious idea to those who rule by deceit and trickery while promising ordinary people a so-called "Bill of Rights". Some loudmouths proclaim a new "Bill of Rights" is needed to smash the "Bill of Wrongs". In federal courts, long-dominated from the early years of this nation by multi-millionaire banker-judges, the U.S. Constitution too often is a mirage and a dead letter. Americans of European lineage say, it is dangerous to bother the people from the high windows.

5. And there are and were some with Jewish surnames, not necessarily followers of Judaism, who believed and still believe. that no Kennedy should occupy the White House. They have put a "blood libel" on the entire Kennedy family: that "Founding Father" Joseph P.Kennedy was pro-Hitler as U.S. Ambassador to London up to 1940,and was viciously anti-Jewish. Using his London office, Ambassador Kennedy brokered a deal between Nazi chemical monopoly I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey. To share the profits of business and this deal was made actually THREE WEEKS AFTER THE ONSET OF WORLD WAR TWO in September, 1939. This unholy arrangement, which went on while ordinary people of U.S. and Germany killed each other, shared the profits by two supposed enemy corporate entities all during the conflict, done by fraudulently backdating the deal with Kennedy's help to several weeks BEFORE the Nazis attacked Poland. (See: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

AND: some pointed to the fact that the Kennedy fortune was built, in part, with mobster aid, by Joe Kennedy supplying smuggled in booze into the U.S. all during Prohibition, done by Joe Kennedy on behalf of British royalty who wanted the profits from their Scottish brands of spirits. This was done through a little known French island in the mouth of the St. Lawrence Seaway. During the war, as shown by little mentioned court records, U.S. ships returning from war-time England after delivering weapons, brought back booze on behalf of Joseph P. Kennedy's liquor distribution network, Somerset Importers Ltd. At the time of the murder of President Kennedy, the Kennedy family booze distribution, Somerset, fell into other hands. Yet, the Kennedy's continued to profit from five out of every eight booze label goods distributed in the U.S. This was admitted to me, on tape, by a Somerset managerial official.

A thinly-disguised, so-called "fictional" movie of such happenings of an Irish patriarch with gangster and espionage links in conflict with his son the President, somehow causes the President to be murdered. The movie "Winter Kills" was suppressed from distribution in the U.S. by the Kennedys, according to a tape interview I did with a major movie producer who produced that film.

6. Further, some with quite an impressive list of apparently documented facts,want to blame JFK's murder on Israel. They point to the fact that Kennedy, as U.S. Senator in 1957, made statements opposing the aspirations of the then new State of Israel. And further, that Chicago gangsters, supposedly Jewish, aided the American CIA, in the Dallas murder. ["Final Judgment" by Michael Collins Piper.]

John F. Kennedy, Jr. grew up, well-educated, having some knowledge of this factual backdrop. He was aware that his uncle Edward Kennedy was nearly assassinated in the summer of 1964, in being one of the few survivors of a sabotaged plane crash. Teddy as a result wears a back brace. John-John as he is called is aware that his uncle Robert F. Kennedy opposed the CIA. In fact, in March, 1967, Bobby touched off a tremendous scandal wherein there were identified numerous foundations, set up by prominent families, as conduits and pass-through of CIA clandestine funds for covert projects. {Thereafter, I and my associates started an on-going, intensive project to find out how it worked and continues to work up to this date.]

John-John was aware, that although publicly agreeing with the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission, uncle Bobby Kennedy secretly vowed, if elected President, he would bring to justice the high-level perpetrators of the Dallas murder. Bobby was himself assassinated in June, 1968, just after winning the important California presidential primary. Supposedly by a "lone assassin".

Like his father and two uncles, John F. Kennedy, Jr., intended to run for president. NOT WAY INTO THE FUTURE BUT IN THE 2000 election! It was supposed to be a deep, deep secret until about August 1, 1999. Like the tragedy with his uncle Bobby, John-John secretly vowed, if elected President, to bring the cabal that murdered his father to the gallows and a national firing squad, a punishment upon guilty verdict to be provided by a special tribunal set up for the purpose.

George Herbert Walker Bush heard about it through his cronies at CIA and vowed to stop John-John. By the way, a little known FBI document shows the elder Bush played some role in the cover up of the murder of JFK. Old man Bush's son, George W.-----could he win in 2000 against a non-scandal scarred John F. Kennedy, Jr.? On the other hand, the campaign camp of Presidential Candidate Albert Gore, Jr. is baffled. Would this tend to flatten out Gore's plans? The very few Democrats trusted to know, or somehow who knew, believed America's Golden Boy, would dispose of all opposition and take the Democrat Party to victory in 2000 and traditional Democrat Party values. After all, some consider CLinton a closet Republican by how he has damaged the Democrat Party.

The Vatican gave its blessings to John-John but promised to stay out of the picture so as not to trigger the traditional bigots in the U.S. John F. Kennedy, Jr., however, was toying with the idea of running as an independent, third party candidate, to deal with the anguish of many Americans unhappy with both political parties.

John-John was worried that the U.S. Secret Service could not and would not protect him. He rightfully believed that what is now called the U.S. Secret Service was complicit in the murder of President Abraham Lincoln. (See: "The Lincoln Conspiracy" by Balsiger.] They were complicit in the murders of President Garfield and McKinley as well as the murder of his father. For the good of the nation, he told his closest confidants, he would risk it. Like his father, he was ready to use his charm and language to give the idea that the era of the common man has arrived.

All this was snuffed out by the apparently ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr., typical of the espionage assassins who do their bloody trick on anniversaries:

July 16, 1999: Anniversary of apparent missile shoot-down of TWO Flight 800, covered up by Bill Clinton in 1996 so as not to interfere with the Presidential election, this with the complicity of the FBI and the National Transportation Safety Board. Two days later is the anniversary of the frame-up of Teddy Kennedy, 1969, regarding Chappaquidick. John Jr.'s uncle Teddy was somehow trapped into getting blamed for the death of a "boiler room" women, Mary Jo Kopecne, one of a group of women keeping records on colored cards, at the 1960 Democratic Convention. Robert Kennedy in charge of the "boiler room" developed a system to indicate what convention delegates could be bought with sex or money and such, so as to make brother John the convention winner for sure. This date in 1989 was when the Vatican's giant soybean operation in the U.S. was destroyed by Archer-Daniels-Midland and Cargill with the aid of directors of the Chicago Board of Trade who bribed five Chicago federal judges to torpedo the aspirations of Ferruzzi, the Vatican's American company. {The confession of bribery by a Board of Trade director made to me and a witness is part of the undisputed federal court record.] More about this in Part Two. The ritual murder of John F. Kennedy, Jr. near the anniversary date of the Ferruzzi debacle, sends a message to would-be justice seekers. But the Vatican has not forgotten or forgiven what was done to their company by the unholy dealings.

And about this date in 1978, John D. Rockefeller 3rd was assassinated near the Rockefeller compound in upstate New York. I was the only reporter to make inquiry of possible foul play. AND about this date in 1996, Amschel Rothschild, about to be designated as the new head of the family worldwide fortune and empire, was assassinated in Paris and written off as a suicide but the Paris police say it was not suicide.

[I and my associates have developed expertise in airplane sabotage inquiries, sharing details with experts worldwide. My book in 1973, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", was greatly opposed by the airline industry that caused the book to be stopped in the printing cycle. No copies of the book are now available.]

11 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:36:05 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

Skolnick makes Michael Rivero look like a piker. Maybe when Rivero grows up he can be just like Skolnick,a real nut case.

12 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:40:16 PDT by Big Ezy
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To: stillafreemind

What Happened To America's Golden Boy - Pt 2 By Sherman H. Skolnick 7-20-99

The Plot Against Albert Gore, Jr, and John F. Kennedy, Jr.

History will probably record that there were two important Fridays in July, 1999. Here are some details necessary to understand the subject matter:

1. Not widely understood by many, the former U.S. President George Herbert Walker Bush has been closely aligned in espionage and finance with William Rockefeller Clinton. In other articles, I havve raised the issue that Clinton is the illegitimate great grandson of John D. Rockefeller, founder of what some call the infamous Standard Oil Trust.

From time to time, Clinton has visited at George's compound in Kennebunkport, Maine. The two of them, jointly with Ollie North, were instrumental in the CIA's operations in the southern states. Such as, guns to the Contras in Nicaragua, and return flights of dope and other contraband through CIA's operations at the small airport in western Arkansas, at Mena. The ethnic Chinese, the Riady family, reportedly bought the tiny First National Bank of Mena, for the purpose s of laundering the proceeds from the dope traffic up through the markets in Chicago. A transit point was reportedly Garfield Ridge Trust & Savings Bank, a small closely held enterprise owned by apparent criminals in the Bankruptcy Court rackets in Chicago, jointly with Cong. Dan Rostenkowski and one of Hillary Clinton's brothers. Now a defrocked lawmaker and ex-convict, Rosty as he is called was instrumental in doing tax-evasion favors for the money laundry underworld in the Chicago markets as well as part of the aid to Bill, George, and Ollie. According to published accounts, two of Rosty's daughters have been well-paid employes on the Chicago exchanges but reportedly seldom seen on duty there.

Few have raised the questions: Their great fortune reportedly based on worldwide dope traffic and such, big banking through their Lippo Group, why did the Riadys buy a tiny bank in forested western Arkansas?

2. Joining this operation in 1991 was Chicagoan RAHM EMANUEL, an adjunct to covert operations of the American CIA. Trained in espionage and bloody tricks reportedly in Israel, Rahm was no stranger to political assassinations. His father was ostensibly part of the team that assassinated in 1948, UN Advisor from Sweden, Count Bernadotte, in the Palestine Partition controvery that led up to the formation of the State of Israel. Rahm moved to Arkansas for the 1992 Presidential election. He was reputedly an expert in raising campaign funds by extortion and blackmail. He helped jump-start Clinton's presidential campaign with 3 millions dollars that Rahm quickly obtained from a corrupt deal. Calling him a fixer, the Chicago Tribune refers in their Sunday Magazine 11/23/97, page 34 to the three million dollars without calling it as it was, corrupt. This was linked by our documents and research as follows: 58.4 million dollars was parked by a federal agency with Household International and Household Bank. The operation was the successor and alter ego of the defunct CIA proprietary, Nugan Hand Bank. [As to Nugan Hand and CIA, see: "The Crimes of Patriots" by Jonathan Kwitny.] General counsel of Nugan Hand was former Director of Central Intelligence William Colby, also having the same position, unlisted, with Household. Many related details and operations led to the murder of Colby in 1996 disguised as a "boating accident". Colby was assisting a small group of admirals and generals, which I have written about exclusively that have vainly sought since 1995, under the Military Code, to arrest Commander-in-Chief Clinto for treason with the Red Chinese.

The funds were parked to make good the long pending claims of Chicago-area caulking contractor, Joseph Andreuccetti, that a group of banks had swindled him out of many millions of dollars, offenses linked to the Clintons. Of this, a mysterious 50 million dollars was secretly transferred to Little Rock, to cover up a 47 million dollar embezzlement of Madison Guaranty S & L, for which the Clintons could be federally criminally prosecuted and imprisoned. Congressman Dan Burton [R.,Ind.] refers to this 50 million dollar mystery and said Bill Clinton sent the money out of the U.S. to a known dope money laundry center in the Caribbean. [Congressional Record, 5/29/96, pages H-5627-28.] Forty seven million of the loot was needed to cover up the embezzlement, the 3 million dollar difference was reportedly latched onto by Rahm Emanuel to start Clinton's presidential campaign.

Assisting in these transactions with concealed accounts was Harris Bank of Chicago,, a unit now of Bank of Montreal, owned jointly by whiskey-soaked Bronfman family with original Harris Bank owner Peter Fitzgerald, now U.S. Senator from Illinois. The Bronfmans were the successors, starting early in the 1930s, to the Kennedy family booze smuggling business of the 1920s,and early 1930s, called "Prohibition Era", under the U.S. Constitution, 18th Amendment, later repealed.

3. EVENTS LEADING UP TO JULY 9, 1999. Albert Gore, Jr.'s presidential campaign honchoes quietly asked John F. Kennedy, Jr., whether he would be a Vice Presidential candidate on the year 2000 ticket. Kennedy reportedly answered that he originally thought to enter the race, in opposition to Hillary Clinton, for U.S. Senator from New York. But, instead he reportedly informed them that he intended on or about August 1, 1999 to announce that he would run for President, either as a traditional Democrat or, in view of the public mistrust of both Establishment parties, as an Independent on a Third Party ticket. Kennedy urged that the matter be kept as it had been up to that point, as a closely guarded secret. Despite that, finding out about this was George Herbert Walker Bush, former Director of Central Intelligence with vast links to CIA's bloody tricks department. The former President quickly understood that John, Jr.'s plans would flatten out the chances of Presidential hopeful Bush son, George W., now Texas governor.

4. Caroline Kennedy, only other child of Jacqueline Bouvier Auchincloss Kennedy Onassis, found out about her brother's plans to run for President instead of U.S. Senate. She insisted that other members of the Kennedy family impress upon brother John, Jr. the danger of a Kennedy running for the high post of President. Caroline believed that her father, John F. Kennedy, was assassinated by a high-level cabal as was her uncle Robert F. Kennedy. Further, she understood that uncle Edward Kennedy was one of the few survivors of a June, 1964 assassination attempt by way of a sabotaged plane crash.Like her mother, Caroline did not trust the U.S. Secret Service to protect her brother as a would-be presidential candidate. Jackie had married Onassis to be out of the country with her children protected by the ship tycoon swindler's private army in or near Greece, In 1975, Onassis's son Alexander invited his father to go for a ride with the son's airplane. The once pro-Hitler ship boss declined.A few minutes later, the son died in a plane crash. Some of the controls were sabotaged to take the plane down instead of up. [Sound familiar?]

5. Presidential candidate Albert Gore, Jr., could not be counted on to whitewash dirty tricks by the American CIA. As U.S. Senator, he sat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and often angered and embarrassed the spy agency community with his demands for data and for answers to his critical questions. They tried to counter him by muttering that his father, Albert Gore, Sr., was a reputed Communist-sympathizer close in business with Armand Hammer, Occidental Petroleum boss, with an office in Red Square, Moscow. Just about the time of the 1996 election, to try to counter Gore, the spy agencies reportedly instigated a book by Edward Epstein about Hammer, outlining the elder Gore's reputed Communist leanings.

6. On July 9, 1999, Air Force Two, with Gore onboard, was flying over the Chicago-area air corridor. Somehow, two or more other planes were vectored, by FAA Air Traffic Control from the suburb of Aurora, that is, directed directly into a path to crash into Gore's plane reportedly. Only one major newspaper, the Chicago Sun-Times, in its print version, not internet version, ran a story about the strange event, delaying the story until July 14, 1999. [A previous article by me on Internet has also dealt with this, 7/15/99.] The newspaper item could have been used to blackmail various folks, such as the Clinton White House, the Pentagon, and others. For you see, among the major owners reportedly of the Sun-Times, are Red Chinese and ethnic Chinese, reportedly implicated in the apparent stealing of U.S. industrial, financial, and MILITARY secrets, with the connivance of Bill Clinton. The FAA could not explain the event.

Sources at the Sun-Times and the FAA confirm there were actually THREE airplanes vectored to Gore's plane. Aviation experts contend two or more such planes thus vectored would have to be intentional. The U.S. Secret Service reportedly did not have, as required, their people on duty at the Air Traffic Control Center while the Gore plane was passing over the Chicago-area.

7. A few days after July 9, 1999, Admiral Engen, former top official of FAA and a known expert on Air Traffic Control was apparently assassinated, when his power glider disintegrated in the air. He was one of several dozen admirals and generals, not identified by me while they were alive, who were the subject of my exclusive stories about how they sought to arrest Commander-in-Chief Clinton, as authorized by the Military Code for his treasonous activities with the Red Chinese and others. These flag officers vowed, to arrest Clinton for treason with sworn enemies of the United States, a charge they had documents to prove. If arrested by Bill for mutiny, if they survived and were not murdered, they were prepared to defend themselves at Courts Martial with their proof of Clinton's treachery. My previous stories named some of those murdered since APril 17, 1995, when a planeload of them perished by sabotage.

SO, JULY 9, 1999, WAS ALMOST A BLOODY FRIDAY. The spy agencies and their forebears, are butchers, experts in ritual murders, on anniversaries of other events, a sort of power to them of Black Magic. A few examples of Friday murders: President Lincoln, Good Friday, April, 1865. President John F. Kennedy, Friday, November 22, 1963. Presidential hopeful, son of an assassinated president, secretly vowing if elected, to avenge his father, Friday, July 16, 1999,, John F. Kennedy, Jr.

8. A preliminary explanation of the disappearance of John F. Kennedy, Jr.'s plane revolves around mostly foul play. And very possibly, according to counter-terrorist sources, a should-mount missile. Of course, more facts have to be developed regarding Friday, July 16, 1999, to be sure of foul play. The disappearance apparently of weather radar reports is one item, regarding the time and place of where the plane was supposed to be. Were there satelitte images kept? In March, 1998, Daniel Potter, a key official at the super-secret National Reconnaissance Office, NRO, in charge of the satellites, was murdered, an unsolved crime. He reportedly had images showing Clinton White House aide Vincent W. Foster, Jr.'s dead body was moved from near the White House to Fort Marcy Park, Virginia, contradicting the official government big lie.

9. Reportedly blaming other members of the Kennedy family, for not stopping John, Jr. from embarking on a certain Death Warrant by a high-level cabal, a Kennedy running for President, Caroline Kennedy apparently does not wish to join the mourners at the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport.

10. Witnesses whose testimony should be required by a grand jury or other inquest as to the foregoing events:

RAHM EMANUEL, and other potentates of the markets in Chicago, interwoven with the bloody tricks of the Bush family, Bill and Hillary Clinton, as to the bloody, dirty business financed in part through the Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange.

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, and his son, presidential hopeful, GEORGE W. BUSH, who stood to benefit from clearing off the presidential campaign field by the apparently sought-after political assasination of Albert Gore, Jr., a presidential hopeful, and John F. Kennedy, Jr., another Presidential hopeful, son of an assassinated president and vowing, in his heart of hearts, to avenge the death of his struck down family members.

TOP OFFICIALS of the FBI and the NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD, as to disregarding and concealing credible witnesses that an apparent missile was seen streaking up to the plane of John, Jr., as was a missile seen streaking up to TWA Flight 800 on the same exact date, three years previous.

You can expect the monopoly press, as ever, to go along with the big lie of what happened to America's Golden Boy.

13 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:40:40 PDT by infovector
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To: ravingnutter

Yes, I do. Try www.sightings.com I know this works as I just tried it before passing it on. I do want to say..I did not post this to enrage people. I truly do ` seek truth and that seems to be an ever increasingly hard thing to find. I am a conservative and I found this article to be unflattering to both democrat and republican party leaders. I wish I could believe the media...then maybe I would not have these honestly troubling questions.

14 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:41:50 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: infovector

Thanks for fixing up my post...my first one and I just knew it wasn't going to come out great. Thanks again.

15 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:46:04 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Yes. I read the whole thing. I even gave it some thought. Not much, but some. I have one question.

Where is metalbird1 and what have you done with his body?

16 Posted on 07/21/1999 07:55:43 PDT by logos (logos@searnet.com)
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To: stillafreemind

I am not angry with you, but with the author. I have e-mailed GWB's campaign site and informed them of this blatent smear attempt by Sightings. They have already got one lawsuit going against another website that was smearing him with total lies. Actually, I'd like to thank you for pointing this out to me! And thanks for the URL, I mistakenly was looking for the title that was in bold at the top instead of the one at the beginning of the article, duh. It has been a rough morning, can't seem to get my head on straight today!

17 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:02:19 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: stillafreemind

NP

18 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:02:31 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

oops---guess I had that coming.

He wrote Ron and Nicole were murdered by the Japanese drug mafia and OJ was a patsy.

19 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:08:14 PDT by JohnGalt
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Thereafter [after JFK's assasination], dozens, if not hundreds of material witnesses were themselves murdered, such as the CIA patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Oswald's murderer, Jack Ruby, and a long list.

Is this true?

20 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:09:05 PDT by infovector
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To: JohnGalt

He wrote Ron and Nicole were murdered by the Japanese drug mafia and OJ was a patsy.

Really? Can you substantiate that claim?

21 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:10:51 PDT by infovector
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And about this date in 1978, John D. Rockefeller 3rd was assassinated near the Rockefeller compound in upstate New York. I was the only reporter to make inquiry of possible foul play. AND about this date in 1996, Amschel Rothschild, about to be designated as the new head of the family worldwide fortune and empire, was assassinated in Paris and written off as a suicide but the Paris police say it was not suicide.

Is this true?

22 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:16:58 PDT by infovector
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In other articles, I have raised the issue that Clinton is the illegitimate great grandson of John D. Rockefeller.

huh?

23 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:20:02 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, and his son, presidential hopeful, GEORGE W. BUSH, who stood to benefit from clearing off the presidential campaign field by the apparently sought-after political assasination of Albert Gore, Jr., a presidential hopeful, and John F. Kennedy, Jr., another Presidential hopeful, son of an assassinated president and vowing, in his heart of hearts, to avenge the death of his struck down family members.

So, we are to believe that George, Sr. and George W. had something to do with the plane mishaps of both gore and JFK, Jr.? Where's the evidence? He accuses by saying Bush would benefit by not having gore and JFK, Jr. in the field...ok, that's true...but to raise suspicion with zero facts, only conjecture and opinion, is beneath contempt.

Also, did anyone notice that the author did not accuse clinton of trying to clear the way for his boy, gore? I have heard many reasonable Freepers denounce this writer in the past as an nut-case. Sounds about right to me.

24 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:29:09 PDT by Wait4Truth
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To: ravingnutter

Hey, fellow Bush supporter. Could you email me, please? I'd like to talk to you. B2K!

25 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:32:32 PDT by Wait4Truth (Wait4Truth@aol.com)
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To: Klytemnestras_lover

I read it carefully. I was amused. The same kind of amusement I felt after visiting the Pyramids at Giza two years ago and remembering all the books I had read about the supernatural nature of them.

Myths make money. Humans, for some reason, need to make more out of things than there really is. That is the the secret of the Pyramids.

26 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:41:51 PDT by Klytemnestras_lover
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To: Wait4Truth

I am listening to you...and hopefully others will respond. I guess part of the point to posting this is media...tv..magazine..what have you. What is any worse about this article and the media that tells us lies and/or untruths every night at supper hour? If you don't like seeing these untruths...and you want to clean them up....is there a way to "force" the nightly news, for example, to tell us the whole truth and nothing but the truth? In my opinion, such as it is, if you let the nightly news get away with the stuff they do....you beg these kinds of articles to be written. Does anyone understand what I am trying to ask? Or do I need more coffee?

27 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:42:54 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

No one can blow this off who has studied the assassinations over the last 40 years. It has all the earmarks of a time-proven MO and has both Bush and Clinton deja vu phantom fingerprints on it. Thanks for the post. The ritualistic aspects are a dead giveaway. The same dates say it all. Airplane crash scenarios harken back to Mena and Ron Brown. They are experts at this manner of whack. This appears the ongoing CIA cover-up and revenge on a President who threatened to splinter the bastards into 1000 pieces. Bush wanted a return to some vauque satanic "1000 points of light." Keep up these great posts. Thanks again.

28 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:42:58 PDT by rangergrunt
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To: stillafreemind

Stop apologizing. It's a great post.

29 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:43:55 PDT by rangergrunt
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To: Klytemnestras_lover

Home Page

Sherman H. Skolnick Email: skolnick@ameritech.net

PLOT TO ASSASSINATE VICE PRESIDENT GORE?

PLEASE NOTE: the first sending of this story on Wednesday, July 14, 1999, WAS APPARENTLY BLOCKED BY THE E-MAIL COMPUTER OF AMERITECH.NET. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? CENSORSHIP. Apparently, the Establishment did not want this discussed on the same day as the Chicago Sun-Times Story, 7/14/99.

Also please note: Admiral Engen, expert on Air Traffic Control, former head of FAA, was murdered just after the apparent assassination attempt on Gore. The press fakers said his glider somehow fell apart in the air, killing him. Some believe he was among the small group of admirals and generals that have since 1995 sought to arrest their Commander-in-Chief Clinton for treason. If Clinton arrested them for mutiny, they intended, if they survived and were not assassinted, to defend themselves at Courts Martial charging HIM with documented treason which they had. We are about the only ones writing about these very brave flag officers, and about certain murder plots. Savvy historians compare the current dark period of American history with that of Caligula in Roman times.POST THIS STORY FAR AND WIDE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. Sherman H. Skolnick 7/15/99.Message-ID: <378D009A.51ED350F@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:26:50 -0700 From: Sherman Skolnickone X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-AIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: skolnick@ameritech.net Subject: Plot to Assassinate Vice President Gore? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PLOT TO ASSASSINATE VICE PRESIDENT GORE? by Sherman H.Skolnick, moderator/producer, public access Cable TV Program "Broadsides" in Chicago and chairman/founder, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts

Two or more airplanes were all headed reportedly for a crash with Air Force Two carrying Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., as his plane flew over the Chicago area. The incident apparently occurred July 9, 1999, but was kept embargoed, that is, delayed or suppressed, until an eleven paragraph story ran in the Chicago Sun-Times, July 14, 1999. So far, others in the mass media have steered clear of the story? Why? Like the murder of President Kennedy, were the mass media either informed in advance or ordered how,if at all, to run the story?

One of two major newspapers in Chicago, the Sun-Times is owned by British tough-nose financier Conrad Black jointly with reportedly mysterious Red Chinese and ethnic Chinese billionaires who have an unpublicized armlock on the Chicago markets. Their fortunes based reportedly on dope smuggling into the U.S. primarily through Chicago, of high purity heroin called "China White", clandestine weapons deals, and the harvesting of human body parts sold to U.S. hospitals. The body parts, sold as casually as auto pieces, are from political prisoners in mainland China arbitrarily condemned to death as the orders come in for hearts, livers, kidneys, and such. [So as not to damage the human body parts, the political prisoners are not shot but rather, beheaded.] The illicit funds are a massive river of loot reportedly laundered on the Chicago Board of Trade, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and the Chicago Board Options Exchange. Although an open secret, major newspapers, such as the Sun-Times, and other financial papers like the Wall Street Journal, publish virtually nothing about the Chinese and the Chicago money laundries. The Chinese funds are disguised as soybeans and foreign currency trading.

Are the Chinese through the Sun-Times story blackmailing Clinton into silence about nuclear secrets sold or given to the Chinese? Under a a headline "Quirk of radar jars VP's plane", the Sun-Times had details such as "Gore was in the government 747 traveling from Seattle back to Washington when the pilot received urgent instructions from air traffic controllers to make a jarring 60 degree turn to avoid a crash. Radar showed a second plane 25 miles away--only a couple of minutes apart--at the same 33,000-foot altitude and in conflict with the vice president's aircraft. Air Force Two was traveling about 600 m.p.h." According to other sources, the FAA and the Sun-Times are reportedly concealing that yet a third plane likewise almost crashed into Gore's plane.

Aviation sources familiar with air traffic control say they never heard of a situation where two or more airplanes were all headed for a crash with another plane. Foul play, they contend, should rightfully be suspected when two OR MORE airplanes were all somehow steered into a possibe crash with the Vice President's plane.

Here are some other factors that assassination researchers would consider: 1. Reportedly fronting for the Chinese in Chicago in the reputed clandestine deals as well as blackmail and extortion, is Rahm Emanuel, for many years Clinton White House Senior Advisor and now a heavy-hitter with Wasserstein & Perrella, Chicago unit of a New York based financial services firm that reportedly handles deals for the Red Chinese. Described as a campaign fund "fixer" and expert in blackmail, Rahm Emanuel in recent statements seems cold to the idea of supporting Gore as Presidential candidate in the 2000 election. {By the way, with more expected dirty tricks like the apparent aircrash scenario, there is no guarantee that the 2000 election will be conducted just as usual.] 2. The Gore presidential campaign has, or is about to obtain, a reputed picture clearly showing presidential hopeful George W. Bush, now Texas governor and son of the elder Bush, snorting cocaine with Bill Clinton. More and more people, of course, are becoming aware that Bill has been a cocaine user whose nose is rodded out from the same. But it might come as a campaign surprise, helplful to Gore, to show George W. with Clinton. The picture, supplied by government agents, would open the whole question of George Herbert Walker Bush and his sons, Jeb, Neal, and George W., being involved with Clinton and others in dope smuggling through the southern states including through the Mena, Arkansas airport arranged by CIA. According to European publications, Jeb Bush, with his Columbia-born wife, are reportedly implicated with known criminals in Spain and elsewhere laundering dope and other clandestine funds through European banks. Neal Bush narrowly escaped jail in the downfall of his Silverado Savings & Loan Association of Denver, reportedly used by CIA to wash domestic assassination funding. A Chicago lawyer, Jay Steinberg, and others with Hopkins & Sutter, Chicago, reportedly whitewashed the Silverado mess. 3. Gore campaign pundits apparently have advised Gore to distance himself from Clinton who, generally unknown to the public, has been very close to the elder Bush. Gore can probably rightfully claim he was, prior to "the picture", unaware of Clinton's dope connection to the younger Bush. Some believe Gore, to have any chance of winning the presidential election, would have to demonstrate that he is not interwoven in the numerous Clinton scandals, financial and sexual. At a post-election party in the past, Bill Clinton reportedly got Tipper Gore, Albert's wife, drunk, and raped her, that is, had some form of sex with Tipper NOT consenual. A member of the Gore circle, when confronted with these details, urged an independent-minded journalist not to go with the story but said it most likely did happen. Bill Clinton, according to his secret medical records, penetrated by savvy hackers, is reportedly HiV positive. Thus, if the records were revealed, numerous women messed over by Bill, would have to come forward to be examined for AIDS. Two newspapers have the documents, reportedly the Baltimore Sun and the Chicago Tribune, but whose lawyers have advised against publishing the same, as the newspapers might be drawn into liability of Federal Tort Claims actions brought by the women.

So, there are numerous reasons for the possible political assassination of Gore. Although a horrible matter to consider, it must candidly be discussed. Long ago it was said, "To kill the king, you need the aid of the Palace guards". Prior to the 1996 re-election, the Secret Service reportedly all disappeared from guarding Gore at a political rally. In assassination research jargon, this is a "security vacuum", making it easy for a would-be assassin, aided by the Secret Service, to blow away a high official. Remember, the head of what is now called the U.S. Secret Service, Lafayette C. Baker was part of the plot to murder President Lincoln. {See: "Lincoln Conspiracy" a compilation in paperback.] The Secret Service failed to fire back a single shot in protecting John F. Kennedy in Dealey Plaza. Questions: Did the Secret Service, as required, have one of their top people supervising the radar when Gore's plane flew into the zone of the Air Traffic Control in Aurora, the FAA facility just west of Chicago? [Some say the answer is no.] Or, at that moment, was there an Air Traffic Controller on duty with, as required, topmost security clearance? [Again, some say the answer is no.] This is a developing story. More details as they are available.

30 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:47:28 PDT by infovector
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..or, in view of the public mistrust of both Establishment parties, as an Independent on a Third Party ticket. ...

Had this actually occured, all of you who say a third party couldn't win, would have dined on crow as JFK jr would walk the dog on any nominee, let alone the twin (gag) frontrunners.

31 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:48:29 PDT by Russell (onlyafooltrustsaliar)
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To: stillafreemind + knarf + ALL

Skolnick's piece requires a response. I do not believe JFK Jr. was intending to run for president. He did not have the political experience to do so; thus, regardless of his name, I'm doubtful it would have held sway with the people.

As an unnamed friend of J-J's only very recently stated, he did not intend to run for the senate seat from New York and oppose Hillary but did intend to run for something. That friend, then, did not only not say run for WHAT but also not WHEN.

Here's the windup: Gore's people contacted JFK Jr. last Friday morning and asked him to be Gore's running mate. This might well have cost Dubya the election.

There is much more to this story, which includes interplay with both Clinton and Dubya--as well as others; doubtless more will surface in the near term.

32 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:49:27 PDT by metalbird1
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To: infovector and rangergrunt

I do try to keep an "open" mind, and I don't let anyone (media) tell me what to think. I read these articles and I am incensed that no one in authority seems to dare look into them. Or if they do it seems they are either hampered on their investigations, killed or things are done half-a**ed so as NOT to be taken seriously. I'm saying even ANY of this is true..people should be raising all kinds of heck. My gosh, this shows that neither party affiliation saves you from the "powers that wish to be". I'm also saying that people here and other places hammer hard on those that wish to "defect" from the republican party....how much of this stuff can be read and not have it affect the vote you submit?

33 Posted on 07/21/1999 08:59:03 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: metalbird1

Actually, in a way, it seems he stepped on both parties. By running as Gores veep..I believe he would have brought in a boat load of votes. And if by some chance of imagination he ran independantly, he could have nailed both parties hard. I think the mere thought that he MIGHT get into high government office made the "chosen few" scared.

34 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:04:10 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: metalbird1

The only way I could POSSIBLY believe there is that kind of discord within the adminstration and between the elites of both parties is if Gore REALLY did receive and maintain some Hammer link to Russia and all of this was turmoil between the pro-China and pro-Russia fellow travelers and globalists at the top.

That seems quite the stretch, IMHO.

How could there possibly be so much discord within the administration and among the elites of both parties? Why?

35 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:05:00 PDT by Askel5
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To: stillafreemind

July 16, 1999: Anniversary of apparent missile shoot-down of TWO Flight 800

Skolnick wants everything to fit---JFK's plane crashing on a Friday AND the anniversary of TWA 800. But TWA 800 crashed on July 17, not 16. So he can have the Friday, which fits with the ritual murder thing, OR he can have the TWA anniversary, but not both.
Just out of curiousity, does anyone, according to Skolnick, ever die an accidental death?
Still, it makes for interesting reading and probably contains at least 50% fact. The trouble is, which 50%?

36 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:07:17 PDT by giotto
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To: giotto

If 50% is fact....I'm thinkin' we're all in deep doo-doo!

37 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:10:18 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Your posted piece illustrates one of the areas which will yield great understanding for those seeking the truth...bloodlines.

Why is it that so many Freepers who think they're enlightened fail to realize that skullduggery and manipulation like this happen every day?

38 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:27:57 PDT by babylonian
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To: babylonian

I guess people only want to dig into bloodlines if it suits their own needs. Seeing this kind of stuff on someone you are heralding could be rather un-nerving.

39 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:33:21 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: Askel5

Your first hypothetical is quite the stretch, as you have written; why write it then? It has no relevancy to anything at hand.

40 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:40:16 PDT by metalbird1
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To: logos

Where is metalbird1 and what have you done with his body?

l.,

LOL...and thanks.

Cordially...

41 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:48:23 PDT by Adroit
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To: all

Skolnick's Home Page

Sherman H. Skolnick Email: skolnick@ameritech.net

BACKGROUND DATA ON SHERMAN H. SKOLNICK

Since 1958 he has been a court reformer. Since 1963 he has been the foundr/chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, a public interest group researching and disclosing certain instances of judicial bribery and political murders. Since 1971, his comments have been on a recorded phone message he calls HOTLINE NEWS, on 24 hours per day and it is a regular phone call, not an expensive one: [773] 731-1100. Since 1991 he has been a regular participant and producer, and since 1995 he has been producer/moderator of "BROADSIDES", a one hour weekly taped public access Cable TV Show on IN CHICAGO each Monday evening, 9 p.m., Channel 21 Cable. The program reaches some 400,000 viewers each Monday night and outpulls three local commercial TV Programs. His comments have appeared on various websites that can be located on Internet through a good search engine. There are about 70,000 references to him and his work on Internet, some, of course, replications.

In 1973, Mr. Skolnick wrote a book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", a heavily documented book dealing, among other things, with the sabotaged plane crash December, 1972, in Chicago, one month after Nixon was re-elected President. Twelve Watergate figures died when the United Air Lines plane pancaked just short of Midway airport. Dead in the crash zone were Mrs. E. Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar and others linked to the Watergate Affair. She had in her possession over 2 million dollars in valuables obtained by blackmailing Nixon on his role in the 1963 political assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Skolnick's group "liberated" the entire unpublicized file of the National Transportation Safety Board, some 1300 pages of documented reports and pictures showing sabotage. Skolnick brought a suit against the NTSB contending sabotage cover-up. The NTSB re-opened their public hearings on the crash but continued to contend it was caused by "pilot error". Skolnick who was the star-witness at the re-opened hearings demanded that the NTSB panel disqualify themselves since most were financially tied to the airlines industry and that Rockefellers, owners of all three News Networks, and major owner of United Air Lines, wanted the matter censored. The NTSB panel refused to disqualify themselves and entered a whitewash report,condemning Skolnick and his associates. Thereafter, Rockefellers' lawyers harassed the publisher so that Skolnick's book was stopped in the printing cycle and no copies are now available.

More highlights of the work of the Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts. Their work in 1969, touched off the biggest judicial bribery scandal in U.S. history,the collapse of Illinois' highest court, the Illinois Supreme Court. As the head of his group, Skolnick directly accused the high court judges of bribery involving a banker who owned a bank right across the street from the high court's Chicago offices. Facing jail and on appeal to their court, the banker, the former Illinois Director of the Department of Revenue, Theodore J.Isaacs, won his criminal appeal by bribing most of the high court judges with stock in his nearby bank. Outraged by Skolnick's direct confrontation with them, the high court judges demanded that Skolnick disclose to the high court judges how he and his associates went about investigating the high court. When Skolnick refused to disclose, the high court judges had Skolnick, a paraplegic invalid in a wheelchair, hauled off to prison for "contempt of court". The imprisoning of Skolnick touched off a public commotion and the chief justice and an associate justice of the high court resigned, and a third accused high court judge suddenly died in the ruckus and Skolnick was vindicated. Caught up in a further mess involving the same bank was the former Illinois Governor by 1969 he was a federal appeals Judge in Chicago. Skolnick accused that judge, Otto Kerner,jr., of bribery as well. Kerner held press conferences and on all the local media called Skolnick a "liar". Despite his denials, Federal Appeals Judge Kerner was prosecuted and sent to prison, the highest level sitting federal judge sent to prison in U.S. history. Also imprisoned was Kerner's crony, former chief state tax collector Isaacs. Kerner died an ex-convict.

The work of Skolnick and his group touched off a series of bribery scandals by which from 1983 to 1993, 20 local judges and forty lawyers were sent to jail for bribery. Including: the Chief Judge of the Traffic court who said Skolnick with his accusations of bribery was "imagining" things. That Chief Judge was sent to prison for bribery and died an ex-convict.

In 1991, one sizeable conservative paper was the only one that dared run the story how Skolnick and his associates were the only journalists to attend a federal appeals court hearing in Chicago in a case involving suppressed bank records of the Chicago branch of Italy's largest bank,Banca Nazionale Delavoro, owned in part by the Vatican. The suppressed records, ordered so by state and federal regulators involved the secret private joint business partner of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein. After the hearing, in the back of the Federal Appeals Court, Skolnick interviewed two hearing participants who admitted to Skolnick that the suppressed bank records involved Saddam Hussein's private business partner, George Herbert Walker Bush, the then U.S. President. Sources had earlier informed Skolnick of that, and Skolnick, to be careful, asked the same question about that THREE times and each time, the answer was the same: Bush was the private business partner of Saddam Hussein in billions of dollars of oil-kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein by the weak sheikdoms in the Persian Gulf. Skolnick is one of the only ones to have the more or less complete record on appeals in the case including the Affidavit of the CIA General Counsel, that revealing these matters would violate national security. The hearing participants said that revealing all this would cause a run on the banks worldwide and for that reason had to be suppressed.

In 1991, likewise published in that newspaper, "Spotlight", was Skolnick's exclusive story about the mysterious Bank of Credit and Commerce International: How the Bank of England for 30 days only had as a public record that BCCI bribed 25 per cent of both Houses of Congress, 108 Congressmen and 28 U.S. Senators. Although Spotlight did not publish Skolnick's list of bribed lawmakers, other authors claiming they got such details by other means, published some of the names thereafter in Media Bypass Magazine. It was basically the list of names, supplied to Spotlight but omitted from the published article.

Since 1995, Skolnick has put on Internet, exclusive details of the small group of highly--patriotic admirals and generals have repeatedly but unsuccessfully sought, as authorrized under the Military Code, to arrest their Commander-in-Chief Bill Clinton on their documented charges of treason. If he arrested them for mutiny,they were prepared, if they survived, to defend themselves at Courts Martial with their documents proving he sold top nuclear secrets to sworn enemies of the United States, including Red China. Clinton has met from time to time in the White House with Wang Jun, the reputed head of the Red Chinese Secret Police. Such matters have not been discussed in the mass media as they would embarrass and finger suupposed "Independent" Counsel Kenneth W. Starr. Wang Jun is Starr's PRIVATE law client. Also, Starr is the UNREGISTERED foreign lobbyist for the Red Chinese Government. Meaning that Clinton's Justice Department can whenever they wish prosecute and jail Starr as an UNREGISTERED foreign lobbyist. Wang Jun is also the head of the Red Chinese Government operation, Poly Technologies, that makes and markets AK-47 submachine guns and has reportedly attempted to sell them to U.S. inner-city narco-terrorist gangs. Were the Red Chinese hoping to instigate shoot-em-ups with local police all over the U.S. The following is a short-list of the U.S. flag officers assassinated becaused they opposed Clinton and under the Military Code sought to arrest Clinton, their Commander-in-Chief:

April 17, 1995, a planeload of top U.S. Military brass, assassinated when their plane blew up by sabotage near Alexander City, Alabama,including Clark Feister, an assistant Secretary of the Air Force, close friend of the then Secretary of Defense Perry; Major General Glenn Profitt II, director of plans and operations for the Air Education and Training Command at Randolph Air Force Base, San Antonio, Texas. Also the one who had been head of a super-secret military agency that was called Army Security Agency. They had on onboard, to confront Clinton and the Pentagon with lies, a live POW, supposedly not supposed to exist, from Southeast Asia. They were prepared to show how top U.S. officials, also cronies of Clinton, were in the dope traffic from S.E. Asia, "the Golden Triangle", including George Herbert Walker Bush, retired Pentagon official General Colin Powell, and former Pentagon official Richard Armitage. Also assassinated to prevent a military coup: The highest naval officer in uniform, Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jeremy Boorda, assassinated in his office with several caliber weapons and disguised in the press as a "suicide". Also: General David McCloud, head of the Alaska Military District, site of the Early Warning System of missile attacks; murdered by way of a sabotaged air crash. Giving aid and assistance to these flag officers planning to arrest Clinton,was the former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby, assassinated near his vacation home and falsely written off as an alleged "boating accident". Colby had been general counsel of the CIA's bank proprietary, Nugan Hand Bank and their successor and alter ego, Household International and Household Bank. Household has their world headquarters in the Chicago suburb of Prospect Heights, Illinois. Parked with Household was 58.4 million dollars of federal funds to make good the long-pending claims of Chicago-area caulking contractor, Joseph Andreuccetti, that a series of banks, including Household, perpetrated a massive swindle on him. 50 million dollars of that was secretly transferred to Little Rock, Arkansas to try to cover up the embezzlement of 47 million dollars from Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, for which Bill and Hillary Clinton are subject to being federal criminally prosecuted and sent to prison for misappropriation. S & L owner Jim McDougal was murdered in jail the night before his testimony about all this. His ex-wife Susan has been repeatedly harassed to shut her up on what she knows about all this. Cong. Dan Burton [R., Ind.} started to put the details of the mysterious 50 million dollars and Clinton into the Congressional Record, 5/29/96, pages H5627-28. Was it blackmail, threats, or what? that stopped Burton from putting in ALL the details.

Skolnick's Home Page

42 Posted on 07/21/1999 09:53:52 PDT by infovector
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To: Adroit

Here's the windup: Gore's people contacted JFK Jr. last Friday morning and asked him to be Gore's running mate. This might well have cost Dubya the election....metalbird1

And just when I thought this place couldn't get any more bizarre.......

43 Posted on 07/21/1999 10:00:36 PDT by sinkspur
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To: infovector--from his website

You want to believe this garbage, fine by me. I find it ammusing.

Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 6 Num. 21

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("Quid coniuratio est?")

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MORE ABOUT THE O.J. SIMPSON AFFAIR

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By Sherman H. Skolnick

Is there a link between the Japanese mafia and the O.J. Simpson affair? Some say yes.

Called the YAKUZA, it has installed top government officials in Japan, including prime ministers, controls the loading of ships and trucks, has an armlock on who appears in movies and on TV there, and with the aid of the American CIA, has been a violent force against the formation of unions in Japan. Major corporations there have to pay hush money to the Yakuza who threaten to disrupt stockholder meetings.

More numerous than the traditional Italian and Sicilian mafia, the Japanese underworld is an even larger force in the dope traffic. The Yakuza own major hotels and dominate real estate in Hawaii. Experts point out the Yakuza have major bases of operations in the U.S. in California and own one-half of the high-rise buildings downtown Chicago built in the 1980s.

In California, the Japanese with large percentage Yakuza, own most every bank headquartered in the state, including reportedly WELLS FARGO BANK, and BANK AMERICA once Vatican-owned. According to Italian press reports, Vatican-owned CONTINENTAL BANK of Chicago is a criminal money laundry now owned by Bank America. Wells Fargo is interlocked with HOUSEHOLD INTERNATIONAL and their units HOUSEHOLD BANK, successor to the CIA-linked NUGAN-HAND BANK of Australia.

Jointly with ultra-rights, the Yakuza are pressing for Japan to again be a top military power in the world.

Background: in the book "Yakuza", by David E. Kaplan and Alec Dubro.

Seldom mentioned: The Japanese underworld controls the dope traffic in California. When NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON divorced from O.J., she extracted a considerable portion of his fortune including the reported ownership of fast food stores including chickens. Corrupt police got into the picture as reputed owners/operators, and it became a device for laundering dope loot -- further washed through California-headquartered banks dominated by the Yakuza.

O.J. Simpson was reportedly no stranger to gangsters in the sports field being closely aligned with some in Buffalo, New York (headquarters of a firm with reputed mob links, in the sports stadium concessions industry).

A recent girlfriend of O.J.'s from Florida had reported close ties to dope traffickers. She has been closely aligned with President Clinton's pal DON TYSON and his CHICKEN processing firm. The company has been accused in undercover drug agents reports of being a major narcotics operation.

Some drug enforcement officials contend they *know* that the double murder for which O.J. was unsuccessfully accused was done by a dope hit gang, the butchering being a Yakuza specialty. Did O.J. stumble on the scene but for the safety of his children is silent? A friend of Nicole was deeply in debt to dope traffickers -- and just prior to her death Nicole was trying to persuade ex- husband O.J. to put up the pay-off or else.

Was the double murder a message to O.J. to shake him down? Does O.J. still have a financial interest in the tainted fast food stores and related businesses? Does he understand what it is all about? Some think so.

Against this backdrop, is it just a coincidence the O.J. trial judge was of Japanese descent? And is it just a coincidence Judge KEN ITO's wife, MARGARET YORK, is a top official in L.A. Police in charge of investigations of corruption in the police department -- such as Yakuza dope traffic?

Judge Ito could claim *he* does not know what this is all about. Certainly his wife knows.

So the jury released O.J. on reasonable doubt, but the O.J. SIMPSON AFFAIR may not be finished. It could be one of the large scandals of American history, reaching all the way to the CLINTON WHITE HOUSE.

44 Posted on 07/21/1999 10:10:28 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: infovector

The Gore presidential campaign has, or is about to obtain, a reputed picture clearly showing presidential hopeful George W. Bush, now Texas governor and son of the elder Bush, snorting cocaine with Bill Clinton.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.....

Skolnick's a certifiable nutcase! I think he's the one on drugs!

45 Posted on 07/21/1999 10:45:48 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

PLEASE EMAIL ME. THANKS.

46 Posted on 07/21/1999 10:54:56 PDT by Wait4Truth (Wait4Truth@aol.com)
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To: stillafreemind

I enjoy reading about conspiracy theories. I read the above information on Sightings and on Skolnick's web page. I like to get as much information as possible before I make up my mind.

Sherman Skolnick's website

47 Posted on 07/21/1999 10:57:43 PDT by mjp
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To: Wait4Truth

You should have mail!

48 Posted on 07/21/1999 11:28:14 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: JohnGalt

Thanks. I'll check it out.

49 Posted on 07/21/1999 11:57:04 PDT by infovector
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To: Russell

I agree. He would have easily won.

50 Posted on 07/21/1999 11:59:59 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

I advise you do. His stuff about the English crown is straight from Lyndon LaRouche's playbook.

51 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:01:53 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: stillafreemind

Thank God there's still a free mind!

This was an interesting article and I for one am not eager to just dismiss it abruptly, for while everyone's attention is being focused on what is taking place off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, Clinton is getting away with treason and country continues to decline.

Parts of it do contain truth. While interesting, I would have to source much of it though before I could consider it credible. However, it attempts answers some questions that I have had like why would JJ even attempt to fly on a night like that; why did the initial reports state that the plane had a rapid decent and today they are saying he dropped altitude suddenly by 3,000 feet then recovered, then descended to his death; why did the first reports report that there was a flight instructor onboard and suddenly he doesn't take the flight; why wasn't the satellite data available - they are capable of taking pictures of a car license plate from a satellite, why not a missing plane; why the conflicting information about the wife not wanting to fly versus the wife insisting they fly; why is Caroline in Long Island instead of at the Kennedy compound; why is Ted Kennedy and two sons going out on a Coast Guard ship to "claim" the body versus the body being turned over to the examiner in a typical fashion then turned over to the family (I think NTSB has jurisdiction over it now); why the story of the burial at sea for someone who never served at sea; why is Clinton telling the Coast Guard how to run their operation? (After all, we have quite a few hot spots on the globe at the moment and I would think Clinton's attention would be better spent there instead of directing the Coast Guard.

We all know what this administration is capable of. There are too many oddities going on and the media remains too focused on it. That's why these types of questions are raised and why people write these type of articles. We should seek the truth and not dismiss them totally, but weigh all of the evidence before making a decision. I'm still a free mind too (wink).

52 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:09:14 PDT by PatriotNow
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To: mjp

I feel the same way. Thank you so much for the site. I have not been on there before. Stay a free mind!!

53 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:13:13 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: JohnGalt

Interesting. Most of the info about the Yakuza is accurate. I lived in Japan for 4 years. In Japan they are pretty mellow (especially to gaijin (foreign barbarians is a good translation)). They don't go around murdering people. I remember a case a few years ago in Osaka where a dentist in a restaurant was killed in the crossfire during a hit on a rival gang. The Japanese police hassled the Yakuza all over Japan for a few weeks. But it wouldn't surprise me if they were nastier outside of Japan.

But I guess it's kind of an article of faith for you that OJ is guilty. I assume that's why anything diverging from that conclusion seems crazy or nutty?

I have no idea whether OJ killed his wife and the drug dealer. I don't have an opinion on the matter and admit that I haven't looked into it.

54 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:16:36 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

I assume you're familiar with J. Orlin Grabbe's Web Site ?

55 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:18:24 PDT by infovector
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To: PatriotNow

Thanks PN..just heard that they put a three mile radius of security up around that ship now. No helicopters or planes allowed to fly over within those three miles now. This gets stranger as we go.

56 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:18:40 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: metalbird1

Pretend I didn't write it, then.

Normally I follow along behind you guys as best I can when things seem logical but this sort of maneuvering by Gore or animosity among frontrunners fighting for the "middle ground" totally stumps me this time.

Have you got a scheme I can hold on to while I read this thread? Just asking for help, that's all.

57 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:18:57 PDT by Askel5
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To: PatriotNow

they are capable of taking pictures of a car license plate from a satellite

As far as I know that's not true.

58 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:20:49 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Yep! Hope others take advantage of your kind posting of it...can there be too many sources when looking for the truth??? I think not! Thanks infovector.

59 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:23:58 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: JohnGalt

I don't know much about LaRouche [sp?]. He's the one who publishes EIR isn't he?

60 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:25:45 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

You say that Lincoln was a victim of the Secret Service. Wasn't the Secret Service established after Lincoln was assassinated? John Jr. had no track record in politics, why would anyone vote for him, especially the Democrats? He went on record saying that if he ever were president, he'd lower taxes. The Democrats wouldn't stand for freeing the taxpaying slaves.

61 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:28:08 PDT by aparso2 (aparso2@emory.edu)
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To: infovector

Although a horrible matter to consider, it must candidly be discussed.

LOL! We're nothing if we're not candid!

Love, Pangloss.

62 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:43:49 PDT by alcuin
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To: JohnGalt

Conspiracy Nation says LAPD detectives Mark Fuhrman and Nathan Arnold accidentally killed Goldman when he surprised them during questioning of Nicole (of course she had to go too), and that it was filmed. Somebody's conspiracy theory is wrong.

63 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:55:17 PDT by jedediah smith
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To: stillafreemind

Fox News: All three bodies are being removed from the sea as I write. All found and recovery in process.

64 Posted on 07/21/1999 12:58:59 PDT by AKA Elena
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To: ravingnutter

They'll have to do a lot of suing--Skolnick is carried on a lot of websites. He's been around along time.

65 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:03:04 PDT by Ada Coddington
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To: sinkspur & Nita Nuprez

And just when I thought this place couldn't get any more bizarre....

ss,

You just have to stop thinking that way. Watch: if Junior indeed gets buried at sea, the usual suspects will take that as further evidence of coverup. Oh yes, there'll be alleged eyewitness accounts of mysterious .45 cal. bullet holes in the head, gaping wounds, missing brains...Dallas Redux.

Nita, I address you because of your expressed concerned about the happy band of anti-kooks which appears so routinely.

Speaking only for myself, of course, it's just an effort to keep FR somewhat serious...like it was a year ago. It appears that a good number of rational, informative and entertaining posters have semmingly or definitely decamped, while the kook quotient slides toward critical, laffing-stock mass.

When I check in to hoot, it's because I do give a hoot about FR. Too much Rivero, Ian Goddard and this Skolnick stuff on this thread, and it may as well become Foilhat&Straightjacket-dot-com.

I realize this type of sentiment invites suggestions that I not let the doorknob hit me where the good Lord split me, but taking up such an invitation would only accelerate this unhappy "cleansing."

Cordially...

66 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:04:07 PDT by Adroit (reedrick@aol.com)
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To: Wait4Truth

A question for those in the Chicago area.

I used to live in Aurora, and would hear occasional blurbs on the news about a councilman named Sherman Skolnick, is this the same guy, a wierd looking guy in a wheel chair. As I remember he was ultra liberal.

67 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:04:33 PDT by DaiHuy
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To: DaiHuy

"I used to live in Aurora, and would hear occasional blurbs on the news about a councilman named Sherman Skolnick, is this the same guy, a wierd looking guy in a wheel chair. As I remember he was ultra liberal."

Surely it is, although I don't remember him being elected to anything. We used to call his "hotline" from work for chuckles. Sherman's never met a conspiracy he didn't like - and embrace. I'm surprised he's not yet positing a "one propeller" theory on JFK Jr's. demise. See, this big propeller came bouncing off the grassy knoll and hit Carolyn Kennedy in the wrist, passed through it, and then went on to hit JFK Jr. in the back of the head and then. . .

http://www.michaelmbates.com/

68 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:11:51 PDT by mikeb704 (mikeb704@aol.com)
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To: DaiHuy

His theories are straight out of LaRouche's camp and LaRouche is a neo-Marxist.

69 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:12:05 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: infovector

I'll try to find a website for you; in the meantime, the point is to question the source and not settle for a middle of the road explanation like, "well, maybe he is right occasionally..."

70 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:15:16 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: AKA Elena

Thanks for the update Elena. No matter what did or did not bring this aircraft down...three young people lost their lives and many family members and friends are in pain. I thank God that they found them all and hope for peace of mind for them all. It does not matter what I think politically or personally....tragedy is tragedy ...and loss is loss. I continue to pray that the media will let some dignety be retained...I realize I am asking alot there.

71 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:15:30 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

Even a semi-rational thinker would have a tough time buying this one! Without access to his "documents and research" this piece is nothing but bad fiction.

72 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:18:03 PDT by trig
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To: trig

Just curious...what loads have you bought lately without documents and research in front of you? I have no idea if the guy is a nut or a spare tire..but some of this stuff sounds like stuff we've heard forever and KNOW is true. I'm not understanding what it is you are not buying... the story..the source..the Bush end of it...what? I wanted people to disect this more..not just yep yep or no way.

73 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:23:27 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: aparso2

I just posted the article. I didn't write it.

74 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:28:00 PDT by infovector
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To: ravingnutter

AND: some pointed to the fact that the Kennedy fortune was built, in part, with mobster aid, by Joe Kennedy supplying smuggled in booze into the U.S. all during Prohibition, done by Joe Kennedy on behalf of British royalty who wanted the profits from their Scottish brands of spirits. This was done through a little known French island in the mouth of the St. Lawrence Seaway. During the war, as shown by little mentioned court records, U.S. ships returning from war-time England after delivering weapons, brought back booze on behalf of Joseph P. Kennedy's liquor distribution network, Somerset Importers Ltd. At the time of the murder of President Kennedy, the Kennedy family booze distribution, Somerset, fell into other hands. Yet, the Kennedy's continued to profit from five out of every eight booze label goods distributed in the U.S. This was admitted to me, on tape, by a Somerset managerial official.

This is the only part of this whole diatribe that makes any sense to me.

I've been scratching my head these past few days wondering why every time I turn on the cable channels some newsreader is choking up over the unfortunate death a very stupid and reckless young man.

Guess it still runs in the family.

If I were the father of the Bessette girls I would be seeking a posthumous involuntary manslaughter charge against Kennedy.

75 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:33:44 PDT by JimVT
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To: Adroit

You mean like this ?

76 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:33:57 PDT by infovector
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To: JohnGalt

So is Klinton...

77 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:35:03 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Just curious: Doesn't the anti-semitism in this post violate the no racism rule?

Not pointing fingers, just curious if anyone else is offended by claims that people with "jewish surnames" are out to kill all Kennedy's who are potential candidates.

Besides, JFK had more than enough enemies from EVERY ethnic group.

78 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:35:11 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: jedediah smith

No doubt.

79 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:36:13 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

i-vec,

Quite.

Cordially...

80 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:39:29 PDT by Adroit
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To: DaiHuy

Probably the same guy. But who isn't an double ultra liberal nowadays, eh?

81 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:39:38 PDT by infovector
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To: sharktrager

I assume Skolnick must be one of those self-hating jews in your opinion?

82 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:43:04 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Maybe it's not his real name. Could be Liddy using an alias. Makes as much sense as the rest of this.

83 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:44:54 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: infovector

No, just a self-promoter.

84 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:45:54 PDT by JohnGalt
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To: stillafreemind

I take answer b--I just blew it off as a piece of crap.

85 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:50:43 PDT by basil
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To: stillafreemind

P.S. I possibly would have read more of it, had it been posted in the proper form. Hard to read something that runs together like that! However, I still think it's a piece of crap.

86 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:52:44 PDT by basil
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To: infovector

Nah!

He's just Libby using a fake name. That makes as much sense as what's written up there.

87 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:55:56 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: sharktrager

Good one. But I do agree that if one is exposed to the mainstream US media for, say, 10 or more years, then anything radically inconsistent from it will make no sense and will seem crazy.

The US media is much more effective than any totalitarian one. In a totalitarian system most people know that the government is feeding them lies. In our system we have a narrow spectrum of accepted opinion, with ostensible disagreements, the purpose of which is to embed the presuppositions accepted by both parties. (Of course this is only a first approximation. It's not quite like that). Anything falling outside of those presuppositions will seem unthinkable or crazy or nutty.

88 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:00:13 PDT by infovector
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To: JohnGalt

If he believe's what he's writing do you blame him?

89 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:02:39 PDT by infovector
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To: basil

Hey, give stillafreemind a break: it was his first time posting. How's he supposed to know where to put all the <...>'s.

90 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:04:36 PDT by infovector
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To: nitpickers

opps, 'believes'

91 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:06:27 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

I don't get my news from the mainstream press, so I totally understand what you're saying.

It gets down to this in my mind, though. If they were willing to kill JFk, they'd hav no problem taking out anyone who wrote that, and I have troble buying the whole "they ignore him because people think he's crazy" argument that's always used. If anyone made enough noise, they'd take him out just in case.

That's not to say that I believe the warren Comission though...

92 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:07:55 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: Ada Coddington

They will probably sue him directly and force him to retract.

93 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:11:17 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: sharktrager

That's true. It wouldn't be hard "to take out anyone who wrote that". Skolnick has received many death threats in the past. But with the mainstream media marching in lockstep, why bother? It's more important to "take out" actual eye witnesses. That might be happening as we speak.

94 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:13:34 PDT by infovector
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To: Russell

Wake up people -- JFK, Jr. was too young to run for President! Duh! This article is total disinformation and should be ignored.

95 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:15:13 PDT by ravingnutter
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To: infovector

Could be, but I'd have to ask how come the Clinton backers can't come up with anything besides plane crashes?

96 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:16:36 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: metalbird1

I wonder who is happiest about the 'muddy waters'?

97 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:18:41 PDT by CHAPITA
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To: sharktrager

You've gotta be kidding. You haven't seen The Clinton Body Count ?

98 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:23:06 PDT by infovector
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To: Big Ezy, Jim Robinson

Skolnick makes Michael Rivero look like a piker.

Hey Rivero, your relief is here, we're sending you down to single A ball!

Maybe when Rivero grows up he can be just like Skolnick,a real nut case. What makes you think he's a nut case? Look what he posted! Just a small sample (Any comments will be in italics

" John-John was worried that the U.S. Secret Service could not and would not protect him. He rightfully believed that what is now called the U.S. Secret Service was complicit in the murder of President Abraham Lincoln. (See: "The Lincoln Conspiracy" by Balsiger.] They were complicit in the murders of President Garfield and McKinley as well as the murder of his father. For the good of the nation, he told his closest confidants, he would risk it. Like his father, he was ready to use his charm and language to give the idea that the era of the common man has arrived....

"John-John... rightfully believed... for the good of the nation... like his father... charm... the era of the common man"
Not only does it read like bad fiction, it was purposely written like bad fiction to mock.

"[I and my associates have developed expertise in airplane sabotage inquiries, sharing details with experts worldwide. My book in 1973, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", was greatly opposed by the airline industry that caused the book to be stopped in the printing cycle. No copies of the book are now available.]..."

My associates... was greatly opposed... no copies..are available.. (Geeeeeentlemen, he is poking fun at you.

"Like his father and two uncles, John F. Kennedy, Jr., intended to run for president. NOT WAY INTO THE FUTURE BUT IN THE 2000 election! It was supposed to be a deep, deep secret until about August 1, 1999. Like the tragedy with his uncle Bobby, John-John secretly vowed, if elected President, to bring the cabal that murdered his father to the gallows and a national firing squad, a punishment upon guilty verdict to be provided by a special tribunal set up for the purpose."

"a deep, deep secret" (not just a deep secret mind you, but a deep, deep secret)..."bring the cabal that murdered his father to the gallows" (the "gallows", har har har)...punishment upon guilty verdict.... special tribunal....

"some consider CLinton a closet Republican..." har har har

"Presidential candidate Albert Gore, Jr., could not be counted on to whitewash dirty tricks by the American CIA...."
stop, please stop, I can't take anymore

"the possible political assassination of Gore" I'm going to wet my pants - who would notice, who would care!!!

"Prior to the 1996 re-election, the Secret Service reportedly all disappeared from guarding Gore at a political rally....
Harharhar, harharhar
End of excerpts

For anyone who thinks he is laughing at the above poster - he too is laughing at you. This little dialectic is an exercise in the degradation of nation and leaders, and a mocking of conspiracy theorists for extra measure. That some truths are splashed here and there demonstrates that the author has a little talent.

Regards,

99 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:23:45 PDT by Royalist
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To: ravingnutter

I thought one had to be 35 to run for President. How old was JFK junior?

100 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:24:27 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Yeah, and I think there's something to it, but, if you cast a wide enough net, it'll always come up fishy.

101 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:25:57 PDT by sharktrager (john@cbnm.com)
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To: Royalist

Like I said, neither me nor stillafreemind wrote the stuff. Sherman Skolnick wrote it. We just posted it. Next time try reading the whole thread before replying.

102 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:27:41 PDT by infovector
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To: basil

Hey basil..thanks for the short but sweet..dah.it's a piece of crap...I can see it was a thought provoking frenzie goin' on ... I am sorry about the post..Infovetor straightened it out farther down for me...maybe you'll go read some more of it...huh? Is there a practice day or something for us technically challenged people to try and get this posting right?

103 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:29:31 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: infovector

I was not so naive to believe that you were the author of the above piece. I meant author, but am not always as careful as I should be when reviewing my posts. Apologies, no hard feelings I hope, and thanks for the laughs. Whoever the author is, he has a wicked sense of humor and is quite talented.

104 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:33:40 PDT by Royalist
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To: Royalist

Check one more time, I think you'll find a short autobiography in one of the posts.

105 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:35:21 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Again, apologies for my carelessness.

106 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:36:24 PDT by Royalist
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To: stillafreemind

Would suggest that some HARD RETURNS be put in, but, then again, anything by Sherm "baby" is generally not worth reading.

Stuff just keeps you up at night thinking dark thoughts about the way the internet can be abused!

107 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:38:16 PDT by Muawiyah (Muawiyah@hotmail.com)
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To: infovector

Thanks for helping me out...gotta correct one itsy bitsy thing though...that's she not he. I do understand when someone hasn't read any thing on any of these subjects that they might have a glazed look on their face...but for the life of me..soome of these people read this stuff day after day and article after article and never respond to any of the info in them, nor give a good hearty defense of their point of view. I truly was hoping for more.

108 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:39:49 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: infovector

38

109 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:42:50 PDT by sharktrager
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To: Muawiyah

Actually his [Skolnick's site] has been up for only a few days. But he has been using a typewriter and telephone since 1963.

110 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:45:11 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. A lot of Skolnick's paragraphs could be starting points for discussion and analysis threads.

111 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:48:47 PDT by infovector
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To: sinkspur

Well, I see you and Bob..er, excuse me, I mean Adroit have cozied up. Guess there's no need introducing you two, eh?

112 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:51:05 PDT by metalbird1
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To: stillafreemind

First, you MUST learn to use the < p > to format your posts. It's virtually unreadable this way. Immediately above your message box (where you type your messages) is a simple HTML code that will permit you to easily stick in the paragraph command, breaking that long unreadable string into paragraphs. "Copy and paste" simply won't work when formatting articles.

Second, after speed-reading this trash, your post is just another conspiracy theory, unworthy of reply.

113 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:51:40 PDT by
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To: stillafreemind

It'll happen. Just give it time. Free Republic is both fast and slow.

114 Posted on 07/21/1999 14:51:45 PDT by infovector
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To: Klytemnestras_lover

If you're interested in the pyramids of Giza, I recommend this book .

115 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:01:05 PDT by infovector
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To: stillafreemind

I guess I was less than lucid. But, you have me at a disadvantage, you say, “some of this stuff sounds like stuff we've heard forever and KNOW is true." I saw nothing in the article which I knew to be true, or factual or rational or believable. There must at least be a probability of the truth for me to be convinced? Other than names and places in the article I did not see that truth quotient met. For example, starting from the top, we have the alleged plot against JFK Jr. and Gore, where are the facts? Then we have the relationship between GHWB and the illegitimate great grandson of John D. Rockefeller. Please! Then we have the two of them joining up with Ollie North, running guns to the Contras in Nicaragua, and returning with dope and other contraband through CIA's operations at the airport in Mena, Arkansas. There may be a grain of truth in that, (the airport may have been used to smuggle drugs and guns) but the rest of it I do not find probable. The Riady family reportedly buys the First National Bank of Mena, for the purpose s of laundering drug money. The entire piece goes on and on.....and everything I saw I could and would question!

116 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:02:05 PDT by trig
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To:

I may have this little old web tv that cuts and pastes..and if it's hard on you to read it..take my apologies and run with them. But if I were going to be as critical as you..I would spend a weeeeee bit more time proofing what I was posting...you'll win no awards for your posting, your rudeness or your small mind with small ideas.

117 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:03:47 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: sharktrager

Look. If I was running the NWO, and didn't hesitate to blow up TWA 800 to get someone on the plane, or the Swiss Air flight not long ago over Nova Scotia, or murder hundreds to get my way, this is what I'd do:

Kill Sherman. Sorry, but when the Freepers start believing him, he's got to go.
Break into JimRob's server closet, get the names of all the Freepers posting here today, and target for extreme prejudice measures.
Keep montioring Free Republic until all the conspiracy talk was relegated to the tin foil hat wearers, exterminating any who may post CREDIBLE conspiracy stuff.

Gosh, maybe we should just let this thread die????

118 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:12:14 PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: trig

There's a lot of stuff that could be checked for accuracy. Names, dates, corporations, deaths, deals... But I do agree that a fair bit, say, 20-30 % is conjecture based on information that Skolnick has and we don't. He's been at it since 1963. There is no search engine that will dredge up the info that he has received over the years. Well, there probably is a big database about Skolnick (at the FBI and NSA and ...) but I certainly don't have access to it. Check his autobiography again. Is any of it innacurate in your opinion?

119 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:14:23 PDT by infovector
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To: Alas Babylon!

Kinda paranoid aren't we? Watch out for the skeet throwing machine on my porch on the way in.

120 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:16:38 PDT by infovector
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To: metalbird1

mb1,

Bob?

Cordially...

121 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:20:07 PDT by Adroit
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To: sinkspur + all

What exactly is "bizarre" about Gore asking JFK Jr. to be his running mate? Gore has been consistently running behind Dubya in the polls. J-J, personally, had no taint about him [even those on this site express he was a decent guy] and thus that would have sent the clear message of Gore splitting from the Clinton machine. I believe the disenchanted Dem's having moved to Dubya would have reversed course and come back into the Democratic fold. You say "bizarre", I say brilliant strategy, at least by some strategist in the Gore camp. The Dem's would be a united party again, while the pubbies would still have to contend with their third party split [or splits]. Result: Dubya loses.

Sinkspur, you are either very naive, not all that bright, have a need to dismiss this for some reason.

122 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:22:04 PDT by metalbird1
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To: metalbird1

Clearly, what ever he [sinkspurt] is, it includes "not all that bright".

123 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:29:59 PDT by infovector
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To: Jim Robinson

I'd say about half of them still don't get it. Incredible.

124 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:32:57 PDT by Royalist
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To: stillafreemind

This explains EVERYTHING. I can see clearly now.

People who write this and believe in it are f'ing sick.

125 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:33:41 PDT by Stew Padasso
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To: aparso2

What I believe Skolnick did say was that who was guarding Lincoln was comparable to what the Secret Service is today.

126 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:34:02 PDT by metalbird1
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To: metalbird1

"[has]a need to dismiss this for some reason"

sinkspurt has a need to dismiss anything that goes outside the narrow confines of what he has assumed for all these years. Oh, and I guess the stuff could be construed as an affront to the good name of Bush.

127 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:34:28 PDT by infovector
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To: Jim Robinson

"Despair all ye who enter here."

128 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:36:07 PDT by Royalist
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To: Royalist

Get what? Your posts are confusing. Please elaborate.

129 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:37:49 PDT by infovector
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To: Stew Padasso

Now now, watch the language. I did help stillafreemind by re-formatting it. Doesn't mean I believe all of it. I have an open mind. The more divergent viewpoints or conjectures the better I can form an opinion about something. Nothing is certain. What's so shocking about any of this? I've been on Free Republic for a year reading about Clinton and the dixie mafia ... . What's so strange about the possibility that JFK junior was assasinated?

130 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:43:49 PDT by infovector
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To: Stew Padasso

That's as dumb a statement as the article you all profess to detest. Why bother, why not just "click" on by?

131 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:45:18 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: DaiHuy

Skolnick ultra Liberal? Seems I read a piece of his recently taking a very strong stand against gun control. His game is not Left or Right, or Liberal versus Conservative. Look no further than this post. Skolnick is coming down hard on both Clinton and the Bushes, as well as Dem's and Repub's. Skolnick's focus is on corruption.

I wasn't aware that he is a councilman, but he is in a wheelchair.

132 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:48:22 PDT by metalbird1
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To: infovector

Yes, it is. I can't recall the names of investigative reporters who covered the numerous deaths surrounding Kennedy's assassination by Oswald who was assassinated by Jack Ruby. Whoever sanctioned Kennedy's death also took out many key witnesses/people associated with the case. I remember reading news articles at the time.

One has to remember that our society today is different than it was in the 60's. Kids were actually better educated back then, better read, and were able to deduce conclusions on their own from the facts presented. We didn't let the media think for us. We didn't have spinmeisters back then either. Reporters actually went after the truth in a story and were zealous about ferreting out corruption wherever it resided.

I think people had brains back then.

Emotions came later.

People today are Pollyanna's and don't know politics begets corruption. People think we geezers are making things up or are kooks. This idea is far from the truth. I realize that some persons have trouble with the concept of parallel realities, i.e. what's going on on the surface and what's going on underground. To these persons I suggest reading up on biographies/autobiographies/exposes etc. to get an idea of what's going on OUTSIDE their own worlds.

Maybe then we'll get our country back.

133 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:53:26 PDT by JusticeLives
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To: JusticeLives

Good post!

134 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:55:10 PDT by infovector
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To: anyone

If Gore and Kennedy were on a ticket...would they or would they not have a great chance of getting in? Remember this mythical Kennedy thing that's been goin' on for years..dare I say almost cultish? Add to that all the rumors that John was going to dig up and into anything and everything that was connected to his father's and his uncle's deaths. People have been killed for a whole lot less marbles...right?

135 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:56:32 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: anyone

If Gore and Kennedy were on a ticket...would they or would they not have a great chance of getting in? Remember this mythical Kennedy thing that's been goin' on for years..dare I say almost cultish? Add to that all the rumors that John was going to dig up and into anything and everything that was connected to his father's and his uncle's deaths. People have been killed for a whole lot less marbles...right?

136 Posted on 07/21/1999 15:57:55 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind

A Gore and Kennedy ticket would have been an easy win. Kennedy running as an independent would have been a probable win.

137 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:00:43 PDT by infovector
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To: JusticeLives

Excellant Justice...

138 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:02:15 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: infovector

Turning Gore down was bad enough..but implying that if he ran it would be as an independant .... hoolah ..the republicans had to be doing head counts of moderates crossing over...IF this is true...John certainly stepped on both parties toes.

139 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:06:30 PDT by stillafreemind
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To: stillafreemind and all

Let's not forget Chip Tatum's allegation that George Bush ordered him to neutralize Perot in 91. I can dig up the information if anyone wants. Draw your own conclusions about what Bush would have thought of a Gore/Kennedy ticket.

140 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:07:26 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

O.J. Simpson was reportedly no stranger to gangsters in the sports field being closely aligned with some in Buffalo, New York (headquarters of a firm with reputed mob links, in the sports stadium concessions industry).

This is true. The company is Delaware North. The concessions business I believe is SportService. Totally mob. Built the business on concessions at mob race tracks. Worked there briefly in 1994. There was a huge safe in the basement with 6' thick walls. One day I walked by and saw the door was open. The only thing in the safe was a conference table and chairs. I don't have any idea what this would have to do with OJ.

141 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:12:51 PDT by NCLou
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To: NCLou

Not much (directly).

142 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:24:23 PDT by infovector
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To: old currency to be confiscated?

Skolnick's Home Page

Sherman H. Skolnick Email: skolnick@ameritech.net

Blackmail And Emergencies - And The Paper Money Scam

By Sherman H. Skolnick

The role of blackmail and orchestrated emergencies is approaching fever pitch in the U.S. Capitol and a few other places.

Item: Vice President AL Gore, Jr. contends to confidants that the report by the House Committee headed by Christopher Cox [R-47th, CA] is a blackmail device. Parts of the report have apparently been leaked out to the New York Times and members of the French Press. It deals with serious national security violations in respect to top nuclear secrets given to the Red Chinese.

Reportedly directly implicated bought-and-paid-for treason are President William Rockefeller Clinton , with a somewhat lesser role by V.P Gore. Knowledgeable sources contend, based on this in items even beyond the Cox Report and other data, there are sufficient reasons available to force from office the President, the Vice President, and the current Secretary of State Madeleine Albright who although 5th in line of Presidential succession is not eligible as non-U.S. born.

If Clinton and Gore are forced to the wall, set to become acting President would be Speaker of the House, J. Dennis Hastert [R-14th, Ill.] Hastert became Speaker when Speaker-Designate Bob Livingstone [R-1st, LA] was reportedly scandal-fingered with the crooked aid of ABC newsfaker Cokie Roberts. [Her father, Cong. Hale Boggs of Louisiana, started to go public with his regrets about his role on the Warren Commission proclaiming a lone assassin, not the CIA, assassinated President John F.Kennedy. As Boggs started to go public with his misgivings, he was murdered by way of a "disappeared plane" scenario in Alaska, one month before the re-election of President Nixon who was implicated in the Dallas JFK murder.

The Clinton Justice Department is quietly, not in open Court, seeking a reported injunction or other Court remedy to stop the circulation of a new book, "Betrayal--How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security" by Bill Gertz. The Justice Department contends the book is revealing forbidden national security secrets as to Clinton, Gore, and others. So far there seems to be no comment from the publisher, Regnery Publishing, Inc., P.O. Box 97199, Washington, D.C. 20090-7199.

item: Clinton's handlers and controllers are prepared to set in motion an orchestrated financial emergency, a gimmick so far set for Summer, 1999. Clinton, as puppet, is preparing to announce the use of his Emergency Powers, by way of the War Powers Act of 1917, never withdrawn or rescinded, to force all Americans to turn in all 20, 50, and 100 dollar denominated paper currency that does not have the new metal-like strip embedded in the newer-issued currency.

Americans would have one-week to turn in their old currency, after which, for the first time in U.S. history, the older currency would be void. Unlike the U.S., in Europe for centuries the central governments profit by outlawing the old paper money after a certain quick cut-off date to turn it in. Those with large quantities of the older paper purported U.S. money [actually, Federal Reserve notes backed by nothing but hot air, no gold, no silver, nothing] are subjecct to being grilled by federal authorities as to how and where they got and have so much paper money.

Questions to be asked, with demand for quick, documented answers: [1} Did you report this on your state and federal income tax returns and pay tax on this as income? [2] If not, where else did such a quantity of paper money come from? Can you prove that it did not come from illicit transactions, dope, gun smuggling, bribery?

Upon being unable to give quick, on-the-spot answers with documentation suitable to the inquisitors, your older paper money may be confiscated, without a receipt being issued and without legal recourse to having it turned in for the new paper money. And will the new paper money be issued, dollar for dollar, or will you lose because of a devaluation, such as 50 of the new dollar paper money for each 100 denominated of the older paper money?

Quietly, the federal gestapo is seeking to refit metal-type detecting apparatus in airports, and to be installed in major train and bus stations so as to be able to detect if your luggage and you are carrying the currency with the metal-like strip. Some overly clever folks with tweezers have pulled out the strips from their 100 dollar bills, thus making them subject to confiscation.

The monopoly press seldom finds it necessary to mention the emergency Anti-Hoarding Acts of 1933, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt banned large quantities of paper money following the shut-down of all banks during the Bank Holiday of March,1933. By early 1934, FDR by proclamation made everyone turn in all their gold coins and gold bullion bars. The ultra-rich had shipped their gold out of the U.S. in February, 1933 prior to the Bank Holiday.

To deter Americans from helping themselves by buying gold now, the conspiratorial Federal Reserve jointly with super-secret procedures of foreign central banks, are artificially forcing down the price of gold by supposedly dumping, announcing the dumping, or pretending to be dumping, large quantities of their gold reserves on the world markets. [The London bankers, the Rothschilds and others, set the price of gold, conveniently called the "Gold FIX" twice each day. On the other hand, the Rockefellers are the major importers into the U.S. of Gold supposedly for gold jewelry manufacturing centered in Rhode Island. All this as if paper money is a better idea than holding gold.] Throughout history, governments have sooner or later renounced their bonds, their debts, and other paper instruments leaving the ordinary folks without inside information holding the paper bag.

Since 1958, Mr. Skolnick has been a court-reformer. Since 1963, he has been founder/chairman, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, disclosing judicial bribery and political murders. Since 1991 producer, now moderator of "Broadsides", a popular, one-hour weekly, public access Cable TV Show in Chicago reaching some 400,000 each Monday evening, 9 p.m., Channel 21 cable. For a heavy packet of his printed stories send $5.00 and a stamped, self-addressed BUSINESS sized envelope with 3 stamps on it, to Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, 9800 So. Oglesby Ave., Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office, 7 days 8 a.m. to midnight, [773]375-5741. CALL FIRST FOR FAX [773]375-5742. Recorded phone message: [773]731-1100. e-mail: skolnick@ameritech.net website[late May, 1999]: skolnickreport.com

143 Posted on 07/21/1999 16:39:29 PDT by infovector
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To: infovector

Good Post?

Why don't we post Carl Sanburg's 10 volumns of Abraham Lincoln or War and Peace on one thread and see how many can read it in one session at the keyboard?

144 Posted on 07/21/1999 17:08:43 PDT by the irate magistrate
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To: the irate magistrate

Get cable or DSL.

145 Posted on 07/21/1999 17:11:09 PDT by infovector
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To: Royalist, Adroit

Dear Roy and Ad,

I believe you two would be much happier over at Lucianne.com.

Since you need an imprimatur on everything you read...go there.

Skolnick may not be the pope but he is colorful and has an interesting slant.

Condescendingly,

Tramp

PS. Readers of Skolnik are able to weigh his columns with discernment. They don't have to be spoon fed any party line. Let your mind go naked. Take off your mind manacles.

146 Posted on 07/21/1999 18:51:07 PDT by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp

Take off your mind manacles.

r-tramp,

Hope you had a nice vacation.

What's all this naked and mind-manacle stuff? Kinky, but then I do "discern" a parallel to monkey-spanking in Skolnick.

Cordially...

147 Posted on 07/21/1999 19:11:56 PDT by adroit
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To: rubbertramp

Take off your mind manacles.

r-tramp,

Hope you had a nice vacation.

What's all this naked and mind-manacle stuff? Kinky, but then I do "discern" a parallel to monkey-spanking in Skolnick.

Cordially...

148 Posted on 07/21/1999 19:12:03 PDT by adroit
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To: infovector

He was 2 years old Nov 22, 1963, That makes him >>>>35, now, 36 in the election year, and eligible for president.

149 Posted on 07/21/1999 20:00:09 PDT by enigma
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To: enigma

Re-do your arithmetic.

150 Posted on 07/21/1999 20:09:22 PDT by metalbird1
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To: Adroit

And just when I thought this place couldn't get any more bizarre....

ss,- 'ss'? - Is this a secret code signal to your nefarious unknown handlers?

You just have to stop thinking that way. Watch: if Junior indeed gets buried at sea, the usual suspects will take that as further evidence of coverup. Oh yes, there'll be alleged eyewitness accounts of mysterious .45 cal. bullet holes in the head, gaping wounds, missing brains...Dallas Redux. Of course there will.. How else can you have a good conspiricy[?], you ninny!

Speaking only for myself, of course, it's just an effort to keep FR somewhat serious...like it was a year ago. It appears that a good number of rational, informative and entertaining posters have semmingly or definitely decamped, - Entertaining I'll grant you.. But most of those who were last kicked out, like you, were irrational & pedaled disinformation.. - while the kook quotient slides toward critical, laffing-stock mass. - Ya got me there. I agree... Even, you may be surprized to know, to the rest of your statements..

When I check in to hoot, it's because I do give a hoot about FR. Too much Rivero, Ian Goddard and this Skolnick stuff on this thread, and it may as well become Foilhat&Straightjacket-dot-com. I realize this type of sentiment invites suggestions that I not let the doorknob hit me where the good Lord split me, but taking up such an invitation would only accelerate this unhappy "cleansing." Cordially...

66 Posted on 07/21/1999 13:04:07 PDT by Adroit (reedrick@aol.com) [ Reply | To 43

151 Posted on 07/21/1999 20:09:32 PDT by retyered
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To: retyered

ss=sinkspur. Secret code, indeed.

152 Posted on 07/21/1999 20:48:59 PDT by Taliesan
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To: stillafreemind

Who really cares anymore? The Kennedys squandered their time in the political spotlight on booze, broads, and corruption -- and they paid the price for their moral intemperance. Fortunately, it looks like they're running out of family members to sacrifice on the altar of their hubris and, I predict, America will be a better place in the absence of their so-called "aristocracy" -- bought and paid for with gin smuggling.

153 Posted on 07/21/1999 20:54:36 PDT by Bush2000
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To: Taliesan

A bit humor impaired tonite, --- are we??

Either that, or stike humor...

154 Posted on 07/21/1999 22:10:24 PDT by retyered
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To: retyered

To retyered: Does pornography exploit women?

155 Posted on 07/21/1999 23:27:04 PDT by theophilus
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To: Bush2000

I agree with your post if you substitute the name Bush for Kennedy and "gin" for "cocaine".

156 Posted on 07/22/1999 03:12:13 PDT by rubbertramp
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To: ravingnutter

Usually not a good idea. Gives Skolnick a day in court to present evidence and to draw attention to his charges. And what if the jury sees things Skolnick's way?

157 Posted on 07/22/1999 03:26:15 PDT by Ada Coddington (ACoddington)
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To: adroit

Had a wonderful vacation.

When I use the word "mind", you think of another part of your anatomy. Hmmm. Interesting. I wonder what Freud would say about that. That's why I think you definitely need a keeper to tell you how to think.

Skolnik is "out there" and "on the edge" but he is an original. He is also politically incorrect. He is definitely a vacation for the socialist programming that is taking place in this country.

158 Posted on 07/22/1999 03:36:19 PDT by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp

When I use the word "mind", you think of another part of your anatomy.

r-tramp,

Well, after "naked" and "manacles," I wondered if you passed your vacation in The Company's wonderful de-programming spa.

Did you see the little de-clawed cat-fight 'tween M. Rivero and metal over on the Yeltsin thread? Pretty funny, but they made up quick and resumed grooming each other.

Cordially...

P.S. Skolnick needs rest, as Clarity would say.

159 Posted on 07/22/1999 08:41:09 PDT by Adroit
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To: theophilus

Are you some sort of crazy stalker? You asked me that same stupid guestion a couple of times on another thread & I ignored you...

FYI, -- JR has been urging us all to use the abuse button for this type of harrassment... I think its a bit of overkill to fink you out at this point.. But keep it up & I may reconsider..

160 Posted on 07/22/1999 09:04:28 PDT by retyered
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To: stillafreemind

Some new links

161 Posted on 07/22/1999 09:27:49 PDT by infovector
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To: retyered

Ya got me there. I agree... Even, you may be surprized to know, to the rest of your statements..

r-bud!

Great to hear from you again! Back in April & May, I was too busy measuring trajectories, Zapruder frames & toothpick angles in Dealey Plaza to notice the thunder of the Great FR Civil War. Some personal favorites, I know, got banned; others have quit in disgust.

Sorry you believe that sustaining my opinions with facts is "peddling disinformation," but that's all in the fun of FR.

When you agree with me, though...I have to re-examine my premises. ;-)

Cordially...

162 Posted on 07/22/1999 11:10:41 PDT by Adroit
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To: Adroit

Actually, I stole the term "mind manacles" from William Blake, a nineteenth century Romantic poet....I like the sound of it.

I declined the Company spa this year. They are letting all sorts of boring people in, like that Posner chap.

163 Posted on 07/22/1999 13:30:00 PDT by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp

They are letting all sorts of boring people in, like that Posner chap.

r-tramp,

Vladimir sashaying around in Phil Donohue's dress is not boring.

Ridiculous, not boring.

Cordially...

164 Posted on 07/22/1999 14:08:33 PDT by Adroit
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To: Adroit

It IS well you re-examine all your premises.. Not just the ones you see while spanking your monkey... And posting porno sites here at FR..
Also, it's good to hear that you have been busy improving your mind...Big job...

PS.. Was that BobJ you were addressing earlier?

165 Posted on 07/22/1999 18:36:55 PDT by retyered
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To: retyered

stike humor?

166 Posted on 07/22/1999 18:50:10 PDT by Taliesan
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To: rubbertramp

r-tramp, If Blake had a mind manacle or two he wouldn't have seen fairy funerals under leaves in his garden. But, I suppose, a fitting bard to preside over a congregation of fantasists.

167 Posted on 07/22/1999 19:05:41 PDT by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan

Dense as well as humorless? - Add an 'R'..

Or, it may be that correcting spelling is a fun passtime for you... If so, my sympathies...

168 Posted on 07/22/1999 20:03:58 PDT by retyered
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To: retyered

Was that BobJ you were addressing earlier?

r-bud,

Doesn't ring a bell, but my brain's full anyway.

Good to see you've stopped rallying to the side of kookdom. Have an epiphany?

Cordially...

169 Posted on 07/22/1999 20:38:46 PDT by adroit
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