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SYDNEY, Reuters [WS]: Tissue taken from the frozen body of a teenage male prostitute who died 30 years ago in a St Louis hospital has challenged the theory that HIV came from apes, a U.S. scientist said on Thursday.
Robert Garry, professor of microbiology and immunology at Tulane University, said his findings -- presented to an international virology conference in Sydney this week -- suggested the virus mutated for hundreds of years before becoming a pandemic. ``Current thinking is that the virus came from chimps 50 to 60 years ago,'' Garry told Reuters. ``This evidence shows strains of the virus began mutating in humans a long time before that.''
In 1968, a 15-year-old black male was admitted to St Louis City hospital with mysterious symptoms, later diagnosed as Kaposi sarcoma, a cancer now associated with acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).
Doctors froze tissue samples from the boy that showed evidence of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), making it the earliest case identified in the United States and showing the virus existed there a decade earlier than previously thought. Garry said the virus identified in the boy's tissue suggested that HIV had mutated less quickly than previously thought. He said the findings did not necessarily rule out that the virus had jumped species from the chimpanzee, but that theory was now challenged.
``It might knock on the head some of the most racist notions of what causes HIV,'' added Robin Gorna, executive director of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations. ``It seems to be an interesting part of the jigsaw,'' Gorna told Reuters. But she added: ``How critical it is in the discovery of a vaccine or cure is questionable.''
[Copyright 1999, Reuters]
Bump
And your point is?
My point would be that everyone has blamed the entry of HIV into this country on an airline employee who allegedly brought the infection from Africa in the late 70's. The discovery of HIV in the US nearly a decade earlier, raises some significant questions:
Where and when did the virus really enter the US?
Can a link to the simian virus truly be proven?
The Australian researcher alluded to "racist" theories of AIDS' origin. Can those now be challenged?
That is not accurate. There was wide spread clinical recognition even as early as 1979 that previous elements of the virus had been isolated, particularly one scientist who died in the Netherlands after an assignment in Africa. While ...And the Band Played On gives a reasonably accurate portrait of the disease progression, the author was not perfect, nor was he necessarily as objective as one might wish.
I am unaware of the "racist" assertion regarding the disease.
I am unaware of the "racist" assertion regarding the disease.
Me, too. Anybody know what she was talking about?
From a clinical standpoint, this probably is the earliest documented case in the US. Wonder how many other frozen enigmas are still around?
She might be implying the "racist notions" are the disease was brought into the U.S. from Africa.
Wasn't there evidence of a British merchant seaman having HIV back in the 50s?
I think she was implying a racist connection.. It sure gets muddy..
Yesterday I heard an Arayan Nation theory that blew me completely out of the water. They evidently teach that Eve's sin was her relations with the snake (Satan) that produced Cain (a Negro). I'm still dumbfounded!
I'm still dumbfounded!
And all this time I thought you were astonished.
You never know what sort of wild story the white supremacists will come up with to justify their hatred.
``It might knock on the head some of the most racist notions of what causes HIV,'' added Robin Gorna, executive director of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations.
Liberals don't fully understand the consequences of their degradation of language and words. They apply such words as "racist" for their stigmatizing effect anywhere they desire. But then, as here, they use the word and expect us to know what they're talking about. Gorna could mean anything at all that he's ever disliked.
You never know what sort of wild story the white supremacists will come up with to justify their hatred.
You never know what sort of wild story that kooks (whether white, black, brown, yellow, or little green martians) will come up with to justify their hatred.
You never know what sort of wild story that kooks (whether white, black, brown, yellow, or little green martians) will come up with to justify their hatred.
Well said.
I think I've read about the case you're describing. Two British doctors had a patient who fit the AIDS symptoms perfectly back in the '50s. The problem may be--I don't remember--that there are no tissue samples preserved.
LOL.. that too! Maybe I should changed my screen name.
I was stumped all day yesterday over the term "Christian Identity Group"...Uhhh, what's that again?
Did you notice the camera shots of the Arayan Nation HQ in Idaho or Illinois or wherever? They were flying the Confederate Stars and Bars. Geez.
Thanks for the Aids post. Every little piece in the puzzle is exciting news... even with the stupid racist slur.
In 1968, a 15-year-old black male was admitted to St Louis City hospital with mysterious symptoms, later diagnosed as Kaposi sarcoma, a cancer now associated with acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS).
I would be curious as to whether or not this boy came into contact with anyone from that Greewich Village Hepatitis B vaccine experiment run by Schmuness(sp?) in the mid '60's?
It seems like all the early cases of Aids presented with Kaposi; while now, the first symptoms are pnuemonia.
In that book the Band Played On, there was a fellow who went to a psychic (this was in the early days before the disease was identified) and she said that he had toxoplasmosis, which was a disease of cats...Do you believe this disease was manufactured from other strains, which is my theory?
It is so nice to have a doctor on the Internet.
Do you believe this disease was manufactured from other strains, which is my theory?
I doubt AIDS is due to a manufactured virus. Nobody has been able to perfect that (yet). It could be highly evolved, though.
Interesting that you mention the early cases presenting with Kaposi's Sarcoma. That was such a rare malignancy that it got a lot of attention. I suspect there was still a lot of Pneumocystis pneumonia but it wasn't recognized.
The big combo these days is drug-resistant TB and HIV. Fortunately, we have fairly effective drugs to treat HIV these days. I have a couple of patients who were at death's door a few years ago and are fully functional now.
It's nice to have a doctor on the Internet
Glad you think so.
Dang, this is old news! I read about it years ago at least. I wonder why the emphasis now.
Let's face it, AIDS 'scientists' just make it up as they go along, and always have. Wonder if anyone has done a retrospective analysis of blood samples from say, 1960, to see if the incidence of HIV in the population has changed at all in the last forty years.
I urge you to read through Wallaby's article on Theory on the Origin of AIDS
I'll be heading over to hospital to talk to the doctor and drop some of the Bloodword off for his review.
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Heads up.
Why indeed?
Please read Wallaby's article. Lots of journalese in there but some seriously stunning cites. The Who What Where has GOT to be updated (ASKEL!!!) but has more than enough information in it at present to sate you.
He does do a good job of reporting the self-serving (and ultimately fatal) reactions of the PR conscious gay lobby and desperate for Factor VIII hemophiliacs that precluded profiling ... the one thing EVERYONE could agree on by November '82, however, was that Prison Blood Plasma was OUT.
Canada had ceased its use in 1971. The American Red Cross followed suit shortly after the CDC conference. Why then did Bruce Babbitt, Bill Clinton, Edwin Edwards and others farm their prison populations through the 80's. Arkansas and Louisiana didn't stop until 1994!!!
This table needs corrections -- particularliy Louisiana (should be Treen, Romer and Edwards, I think) but it gives you some idea.
| State | Known Dates of Prison Plasma Program | Plasma Company | Prison(s) | Governor(s) | Term(s)of Office | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arizona | | Cutter Biological | Arizona State Prison, Florence | Bruce Edward Babbitt (D) | 1978 - 86 | |
| Arkansas | | Pine Bluff Biologicals Health Management Associates | Cummins State Prison, Grady | William Jefferson Clinton (D) Frank D. White (R) | 1979 - 81; 1983 - 93 1981 - 83 | |
| Florida | | Southern Biotech Union |
Correctional Institution at Raiford Avon Park Correctional Institution | D. Robert "Bob" Graham (D) | 1978 - 86 | |
| Idaho | | | | John Victor Evans (D) | 1977 - 86 | |
| Iowa | |
Anamosa Mount Pleasant | Terry E. Branstad (R) | 1983 - 99 | ||
| Louisiana | Sara Inc. (? - 1981) Louisiana Biologicals (1981 - 1994) |
Angola State Prison Hunt Correctional Institute East Baton Rouge Parish Prison | D. Robert "Bob" Graham (D) | 1978 - 86 | ||
| Missouri | | John David Ashcroft (R) | 1985 - 92 | |||
| Nevada |
| Richard H. Bryan (D) | 1983 - 89 | |||
| Tennessee | | Andrew Lamar Alexander (R) | 1979 - 87 |
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You do the good guys a diservice...
Relations among the FDA, CDC and Boards of the Blood Brokers have always been quite cozy. You'll note the (R)'s on the table as well as the (D)'s. Evidently Liddie Dole's too busy memorizing briefing books and weeping over Bob's Albanians to even mention the fact that this TRAVESTY is the PRIMARY reason we taxpayers will be footing the bill for liver transplants and Hep-C, AIDS treatments in our prisons ...
AND IN OUR OWN FAMILIES. Have you not noticed the continual pleas for volunteer donations of blood? Do you not notice the federal management of livers and other organs going on right now? That stench is the smell of tainted blood that's infected the world (and us ... ) and is moving upriver slowly but surely.
The Australian researcher alluded to "racist" theories of AIDS' origin. Can those now be challenged?
Is he possibly referring to the allegations of a CIA experiment gone awray in Africa to develop a biological warfare agent?
There are good guys out there ... one is Thomas Drees who headed up Alpha Pharmaceuticals, a subsidiary of Japan's GREEN CROSS which was founded by esteemed NIH member and former bio-weopons experimenter at a little bit of Hell on Earth they called "Unit 731" in China during WWII. Dr. Naito liked to use the "murata" or logs that were Chinese and some Americans for his experiments which included LIVE VIVISECTION.
Drees is testifying in Japan right now in the hopes that innocent Japanese sentenced to death by tainted blood will have some reparation from GREEN CROSS who purposefully imported blood until they could come up with their own successful heat treatments for cleansing same.
These are some really evil men.
The Blood Trail is the lynchpin, my friends, to exposing not only the cross-bred corruption among parties, the complicity of the media but ALSO to enjoining AIDS victims, GAYS, women, the gamut of semi-socilist pawns to OUR SIDE. Wouldn't hurt to remind folks of the fact that EVIL and EVIL men still do exists and still do nonchanlantly make a buck on your death and suffering.
Have you read Wallaby's piece ... you are one of the few who can "get" most of the background documentation without a medical dictionary.
Heads up to the rest of you guys as well.
OK_ bump for your good argument. If I knew how to make a smiley, I would.....
Freegards,
In the Who What Where is the story of a octegenarian Japanese who wanted to come here for a Symposium on Human Rights a few years ago. He was summarily stopped by Customs at Chicago. Turns out his name (and the few dozen other survivors of Unit 731, Mukden, et al.) had been added by RENO'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT to "watch lists" issues in 1995 and '96 I think.
Odd, isn't it? But old Dr. Naito and Dr. Kitano were esteemed members of the NIH who traveled freely in and out of the U.S. as they established their million-dollar complex in LA for GREEN CROSS and oversaw the brokering of tainted blood product through Alpha.
Yeah, this poor bastard was sorry and wanted to talk about it. Wanted everyone to know that the Japanese there believed they were superior. That the "Murata" or "logs" on which they experimented, which they froze alive and sawed apart, infected with bio-toxins and vivisected live ... they were subhuman.
THAT'S RACIST ... THAT'S THE TRUTH ... but it's not going to get out without your help.
=) Hey astonished ... trust all is well.
Don't you find it odd, since the articles that you cite make much of the prevalence of Kaposi's sarcoma in Africa, that no transfusion AIDS victim has ever died of that disease? For another view, check out The AIDS dilemna: drug diseases blamed on a passenger virus, Peter Duesberg and David Rasnick, Genetica, volume 104, issue 2, 1998 (pp. 85-132).
> that no transfusion AIDS victim has ever died of that disease?
Of Kaposi's? Please be clearer. A great number of transfusion AIDS victims have died of something.
Of Kaposi's, yes, exactly. See Duesberg and Rasnik's article for more details.
A bump and a drip!
I hope you enjoy the Alberta Report story "The Arkansas Connection"
Has anybody seen my dog?!
"That the "Murata" or "logs" on which they experimented, which they froze alive and sawed apart, infected with bio-toxins and vivisected live ... they were subhuman."
That's "MARUTA." Murata is a common surname. Kanji graphics available if you really need me to go through all that.
Otherwise a good post.
White man askel5 speak truth.
I received the following e-mail 7-23-99:
Quote: "My name is Boyd Graves and I have AIDS. Last September I filed suit against the U.S. for the 'creation, production and proliferation of the AIDS virus.' I submitted to the U.S. federal court, page 129 of U.S. House Bill 15090. It is the U.S. Pentagon's incriminating testimony about creating a new virus (July 1, 1969)."
"NOW we have the 'progress reports' of a hidden federal program entitled 'Special Virus'. The 'Special Virus' program began in 1962 [according to the progress reports]. The program inoculated monkeys with human viruses and then released them into the wilds of Africa. The U.S. owns a primate colony in Uganda. In progress report #8 (1971) we have discovered a paper by Dr. Robert Gallo that is identical to his 1984 announcement of the co-discovery of AIDS. I have been called by the Pentagon and the Center for Disease Control out of Atlanta."
"However nothing compares to the incriminating testimony the Pentagon gave on June 9, 1969. On June 9, 1969 the Pentagon admits that it was doing research on an offensive biological agent that would lead to 'world-wide scourge and black-death type plague in certain geographical areas of the world.'"
"The major press in the U.S. refuses to view the Pentagon testimony or the progress reports of this 'hidden' federal program. Even the U.S. federal court set aside the direct evidence and ruled this to be 'frivolous.'"
"The world needs to view this testimony from June and July 1969, and the progress reports of the U.S.'s 'Special Virus' program. These are the 'missing links' in that they provide the data, experiments and contracts that concocted the HIV enzyme."
"This evidence is SELF-EVIDENT. It is their work."
"The people of the world need for this information to come out. The progress reports are absolutely extraordinary and astonishing in proving the culpability of the United States of America." Signed: Boyd Graves, Director--AIDS Concerns, Common Cause Foundation. E-mail: bgra365527@aol.com. Tel: 216-397-0801. Address: 1008 Elbon Rd., Cleveland, OH 44121-1429
"I have a couple of patients who were at death's door a few years ago and are fully functional now."
I've heard those drugs are expensive. What are they doing about the indigent?
I've heard those drugs are expensive. What are they doing about the indigent?
They're hideously expensive. Uninsured and indigent patients have access to the drugs through M'caid or through several indigent drug programs. Don't know too much about the latter, the Social Workers handle it.
Are we now allowed to finally quash the theory that the CIA developed this virus, was experimenting with it in Africa and it got away from them? And if so...who gets to tell Rep. Maxine Waters, the Rev. Al Sharpton etc. and the rest of the race hustlers?
Here's the party line on KS and HIV
From: Sande and Volberding: Medical Management of AIDS, 5th ed., Copyright 1997 W. B. Saunders Company
Kaposi's sarcoma (KS), once a rarely reported malignancy, is the most common neoplasm affecting HIV-infected individuals. It is seen primarily in homosexual men and has only rarely been reported in IV drug users or other risk groups. [109] [142] The proportion of AIDS patients with KS as the initial AIDS diagnosis has changed since the first cases were reported in 1981. [22] In New York City, KS was the initial AIDS diagnosis in 50% of non-IV-drug-using homosexual men diagnosed between 1981 and 1983. Between 1984 and 1987, however, this proportion had fallen to 30%. Similar trends have been reported from San Francisco. [141] However, in a study of infectious diseases and cancers among persons dying of HIV infection, national multiple-cause mortality data showed no significant trend in the prevalence of KS between 1987 (10.4%) and 1992 (12.1%).
The pathogenesis of KS in HIV-infected patients remains uncertain. The decline in the incidence of KS in the homosexual male population during a period of time when sexual practices were changing and the nearly exclusive confinement of this neoplasm to the homosexual male population support the concept of another sexually transmitted agent's being involved in the pathogenesis of KS.
Although KS is usually not a direct cause of death in HIV-infected patients, the morbidity associated with more advanced disease can be significant.
Treatment
Because most patients do not die as a direct result of KS, it would seem unlikely that therapy directed toward this neoplasm would have a significant impact on survival. Although the data are retrospective, a review of 194 cases of KS by Volberding et al [171] suggests that this is, in fact, the case. There was no significant difference in survival time between the group of patients treated with chemotherapy (or alpha-interferon) and those who received no treatment.
Truth is KS usually doesn't cause death. But CAR's right. Most cases of KS occur in gay males not transfusion related patients. Don't know if I'd go so far as to say it NEVER occurs though.
Are we now allowed to finally quash the theory that the CIA developed this virus, was experimenting with it in Africa and it got away from them?
Don't know if I should go there. As some posters in the conspiracy threads say - My clearance doesn't go that high.
Foil hat on but mind open.
Can you help me understand why HIV would be an effective biologic warfare agent since even in the untreated state it takes months to years to incapcitate and kill? There are plenty of bacterial and viral agents already in nature that incapcitate and kill in hours to days.
To name a few: Anthrax, Botulism, Cholera (my personal favorite for obvious reasons), Dengue, Ebola...Plague, Typhoid.
Biologic agents must quickly incapacitate the enemy's troops or civilian population and overwhelm his medical infrastructure in order to be effective
OTOH HIV could have been developed not as a warfare agent but as a genocide agent.
But my clearance doesn't go that high..
Well, I guess there's a little anachronism with Boyd's dates for the inception of the program and tissue samples from 4 years previous to that in an I-am-my-own-grandpa sort of way.
Actually, though the article at the head of this thread says 1968, the story I read several years ago gave the year as 1958.
This was in 1968. I believe I read some years ago about a homosexual British sailor who died in the 1950's of something that now sounds, from the symptoms, like AIDS. If my recollection is correct, not only did that sailor spend time in Africa, but later analysis of his remains showed the presence of the HIV virus. Does anybody else remember this?
I just ran a search of the world's AIDS literature using the keyword "british seaman/sailor" and got no hits. Several other posters mentioned the same type of case. If anyone can find a link, I'll appreciate it.
However, I did find an article that showed a marked increase in Kaposi's Sarcoma in Israel starting in the mid-sixties. One wonders if this steep rise was due to HIV infection that wasn't recognized?
If the 15 year old boy mentioned in the top article died in 1968, he had to have been infected several years earlier say 1965. Where did he get it? St. Louis is not exactly an international crossraods, although TWA is headquartered there.
"They're hideously expensive. Uninsured and indigent patients have access to the drugs through M'caid or through several indigent drug programs. Don't know too much about the latter, the Social Workers handle it."
IOW, the taxpayer's picking up the tab?
BINGO!
Shouldn't that give the taxpayers some right to insist that proper procedures (whatever epidemiology determines them to be) be applied to slow the spread of the disease?
"You never know what sort of wild story the white supremacists will come up with to justify their hatred."
Uh--you might want to read some of the similar stuff published by the BLACK racists. According to some of them, white people are the offspring of space aliens, and it goes downhill from there.
Racists of ANY "color" are not nice folks. Or do you subscribe to the theory that only whites can be racist????
Shouldn't that give the taxpayers some right to insist that proper procedures (whatever epidemiology determines them to be) be applied to slow the spread of the disease?
I guess so. Unless you're thinking quarantine, internment or sewing up certain orfices.
Racists of ANY "color" are not nice folks.
Agreed.
Or do you subscribe to the theory that only whites can be racist????
Of course, racists of other colors are referred to as "activists."
< /sarcasm>
Thank you for your information on KS.
I have been following Aids since a dear friend died of it way back in'74.
My theory is that the initial test cases had a high degree of KS. The ones who were involved in the initial Hep B protocol all seemed to have this symptom. Later the disease spread through the gay community (in this country) and as the retrovirus mutated and became more established in its host, KS was not as prevalent.
The reason this disease was used as a biological weapon IMO is that there is a stigma attached to homosexuality and if one has this disease, one can be discredited. There are two ways to get this disease, sex and injection, yet the sexual aspect has been played up. In socialist countries, such as USSR in sixties, (Schmuness was a soviet trained Hungarian), there was much discrimination against homosexuals and denial of homosexuality's occurrence. This group was deliberately targeted in the Hep B protocol. Since then, we have learned that there are biological warfare designs which have targeted certain genetic groups.
This is what I believe happened. Of course, the Hep B vaccine was exported to African neonates...where Aids is a heterosexual disease.
Social workers can't spin money out of thin air....otherwise, they would be so rich that they wouldn't need to work. Gays are a big lobby, so many times medicaid does cover their needs. Many indigent groups with serious illness are not so lucky. The real benefactors of Medicaid are insurance companies...as Johnny Carson once said..they don't name those big downtown buildings after Mother Theresa.
As a Libertarian, I believe in giving to a reputable charity. My favorite is the Salvation Army. They always deliver the goods. That is if you really care and are not just beating your gums.
I have been following Aids since a dear friend died of it way back in'74.
Sorry about your friend. If it was in 1974, don't guess anybody called it AIDS since that term wasn't coined until about 82. Out of curiousity, what did the doctors say caused your friend's death?
"I guess so. Unless you're thinking quarantine, internment or sewing up certain orfices."
Well, I'm not a trained epidemiologist, but isn't it the case that people with highly contagious diseases are usually quarantined? Are not TB patients quarantined even today?
What other means would you suggest? I doubt that we could get them to walk around ringing a bell and shouting "unclean."
Initially, I remember his making a remark that just about everyone had Hepatitis B (which wasn't the case in my circle) and then he got pnuemonia and KS. I remember seeing the purple spots on his skin but I wasn't privy to a diagnosis. He wasted away fairly quickly.
The group he travelled with were well-to-do artists, extremely talented. By around '85 all those fellows were dead of Aids.
I remember the funeral..opera singers, artists, actors. What a waste. They were all world-travelers, wealthy, handsome young men..all gone.
Well, I'm not a trained epidemiologist, but isn't it the case that people with highly contagious diseases are usually quarantined?
Usually only when the disease is contagious through airborne spread and only until treatment is begun.
Are not TB patients quarantined even today?
Typically not. Once they are started on medication and not seriously ill anymore, they can go home. I usually suggest that they stay home for a couple of weeks or wear a mask when they go out.. The TB Sanatoriums closed in the late 60s. Most patients with TB don't have to be hospitalized at all if they're not in respiratory distress or severely malnourished.
I was referring to some comments on other threads about AIDS patients being rounded up, and shipped to internment camps. Or worse.
Wow. Sad story. A lot of talented people died from AIDS.
Guess it didn't reach the Deep South till the 80's. I didn't see anything that remotely resembled AIDS until '83. Then I started seeing lots of it.
This group lived in Boston and traveled a lot by plane to both coasts because of their art and show business ties. It shows how silent and insidious this form of biowarfare can be...if that is what it is.
It shows how silent and insidious this form of biowarfare can be...if that is what it is.
I'm very skeptical about the biowarfare thing. Doesn't make military sense or economic sense.
Larry Flint did chickens, who's to say anything is new. Gays going native for little black boys is hardly new either.
The kind of KS which shows up in gay males and was the original 'signature disease' of AIDS tends to be associated with the upper body, frequently starting in the lungs. It seems likely, given the fact that a massive, federally-funded wild-goose chase for viral causes of cancer turned up few, if any, oncoviruses of any clinical significance, that the recent claim by the AIDS orthodoxy that gay Kaposi's is the result of yet another sexually-transmitted virus is simply an ad hoc rationalization, just like the rationalizations which have lead them to postulate ever longer 'latent periods' for the HIV virus (what is it supposed to be now, 15 years, 20 years?). A more plausible explanation is that the rise in incidence of this type of KS is the result of the recent popularity of extremely carcinogenic nitrate inhalants, the "poppers" which were ubiquitous on the gay party scene in the seventies.
Even if you accept the new viral hypothesis regarding KS, it ought to make you wonder whether the early construction of AIDS as a single disease was valid. It may be that, as Duesberg and others have argued for more than ten years, the surge in the levels of a variety of both immunity-related and non-immunity related diseases among gay men and drug addicts in the 1980s simply tracked the massive increase in the use of psychoactive drugs, steroids, and antibiotics in these groups in the preceding decade, much as lung cancer and emphysema, previously rare conditions, became commonplace a few decades after cigarette smoking took off earlier this century. The misidentification of a harmless retrovirus, HIV, as the causative agent, Duesberg suggests, lead to a disastrous expansion of the 'epidemic' through the administration of highly toxic DNA chain-terminators such as AZT to a vast body of people who, in many cases, might be perfectly all right if they just got some rest, watched their partying, and ate properly.
I am unaware of the "racist" assertion regarding the disease.
Me, too. Anybody know what she was talking about?
The contention that AIDS was a US government plot to wipe out African-Americans is a robust conspiracy theory in
some parts of the black community. I don't know the origins, but I suspect that The Nation of Islam has
something to do with the origin or propagation of this theory.
Just yesterday, I heard Al Rantel on KABC radio here in Los Angeles discussing how people are no longer
conscientiously using "protection" as they think the AIDS crisis has passed. He AIDS was a plot to wipe out the black
man. Of course, he couldn't explain why so many white gay men, some women and children had to die.
The misidentification of a harmless retrovirus, HIV, as the causative agent, Duesberg suggests, lead to a disastrous expansion of the 'epidemic' through the administration of highly toxic DNA chain-terminators such as AZT to a vast body of people who, in many cases, might be perfectly all right if they just got some rest, watched their partying, and ate properly.
I don't think babies born with HIV party much. But they'll sure die quick if they're not treated.
The article I posted about KS alludes to some cause in addition to HIV.
Duesberg's wild guesses would have much more credibility if they had been published in a mainstream US journal and been peer-reviewed.
Interesting link on HIV origin. Don't know if it's legit but it is informative.
Here
How do you explain AIDS arising concurrently in Haiti and Africa, where it occurs in rural families...mothers and babies primarily? These are clean living people who resorted to UN methods of innoculation.
It doesn't make military sense or economic sense....like Anthrax vaccinations?
I probably can't convince you, but to certain people, homosexuals and negroes are considered expendible. If you perceive that the world is overpopulated with 'useless eaters', vaccination is a fool-proof way to remedy that under the guise of medicine. Doctors would not know what is in each batch of vaccine and by the time the public at large caught on..it would be twenty years down the road, if at all.
It is difficult to think like a sociopath.
How would you go about limiting the impact of bio-warfare to only homosexuals or people of any specific gender or enthnicity?
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