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Good morning. Today, I am ending my lifelong membership in the Republican Party, and my campaign for its nomination; and I am declaring my intention to seek the nomination of the Reform Party for the presidency of the United States.
This decision was not made without anguish and regret. I will forever cherish the memory of having been perhaps the only Goldwaterite in the Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University in 1961. Nor will I ever regret my nine years of service to Richard Nixon, from his comeback campaigns of 1966 and '68, to our 49-state triumph of '72, through the final days of Watergate. I was with Nixon in China. And I also had the high honor of being Ronald Reagan's second in the Panama Canal debates, and at his side when that great president refused to give up missile defense and walked out of the summit at Reykjavik in Ronald Reagan's finest hour of the Cold War. From the thunderous reception we got at Houston in 1992, when I told the Buchanan Brigades we had to come home and stand beside George Bush, to the ovations at Ames, Iowa, last summer, when I faced off with his son, the Governor, the Republican party has been good to me. And I have tried to be loyal to it. But, as John F. Kennedy said, Sometimes party loyalty asks too much. And today it asks too much of us.
Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey. On foreign and trade policy, open borders and centralized power, our Beltway parties have become identical twins. Both supported NAFTA and GATT and the surrender of our national sovereignty to the WTO. Both supported the extension of nuclear war guarantees to the borders of Russia. Both supported the illegal war on Serbia. Both support IMF bailouts of corrupt regimes. Both vote for MFN trade privileges for a Communist Chinese regime that today targets missiles on American cities. The appeasement of Beijing is a bipartisan disgrace, and we will not be a part of it.
Neither party speaks for the forgotten Americans whose jobs were sent overseas to finance the boom market of the 1990s that the rest of us enjoy. Both parties are addicted to soft money. Both write laws with lobbyists looking over their shoulders. Both embrace the unprincipled politics of triangulation.
And neither fights today with conviction and courage to rescue God's country from the cultural and moral pit into which she has fallen. The day of the outsider is over in the Beltway parties; the money men have seen to that. Never again will our political establishment permit a dissident to come as close to capturing a nomination as we did in 1996. They have rearranged the primary schedule and rigged the game to protect the party favorites.
Candidates of ideas need not apply, as both parties seek out the hollow men, the malleable men, willing to read from teleprompters speeches scripted by consultants and pollsters for whom the latest print-out from the Focus Group is sacred text.
We choose not to play our assigned role in their sham election. My friends, this year is our last chance to save our republic, before she disappears into the godless New World Order that our elites are constructing in a betrayal of everything for which our Founding Fathers lived, fought, and died.
Only the Reform Party offers the hope of a real debate and a true choice of destinies for our country. "If we don't go now, Pat," I have been told by loyalists all across America, "every cause for which we fought for seven years will die." Well, we can't let those causes die, because they are America's cause. So let me say to the money boys and the Beltway elites who think that, at long last, they have pulled up their drawbridge and locked us out forever: You don't know this peasant army. We have not yet begun to fight.
So, let me lay out our Patriots' Road for America. With the Cold War over, we shall craft a foreign policy for a new century rooted in the great tradition of Washington, Jefferson and John Quincy Adams who wrote:
Wherever the standard of freedom and independence...shall be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her prayers be....But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.
I pledge to you: I will never send an American army to fight in a foreign war, unless our country is attacked or our vital interests are imperiled. They call us "isolationists." Well, if they mean I intend to isolate America from the bloody territorial and ethnic wars of the new century, I plead guilty. It is the first duty of a statesman: to keep his country out of wars that are not his country's quarrel. And the junk yards of history are strewn with the wreckage of republics and empires that failed to learn that lesson.
We intend to dust off an ancient document and restore it to its rightful place as the altar piece of American government. You may have heard of it. It's called the Constitution of the United States. Under the Constitution, before America goes to war, the Congress must declare war. By my reading of the Constitution, the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines who take an oath of loyalty to the United States, are never to be used as the imperial troops of anybody's New World Order. We will bring our soldiers home where they belong; and rebuild our military might and morale so no nation will dare attack us.
And the first step to restore that morale is to evict from the Bully Pulpit of the Oval Office, our own Elmer Gantry, Mr. Clinton, whose desecration of that temple of our civilization, and squalid behavior, render him unfit to serve as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States.
We Americans are a good and generous people. Our tradition of being first at the scene of natural disasters, providing food and shelter for the victims, is rooted in deep our hearts. That tradition we shall maintain. But IMF bailouts of deadbeat dictators must end; and we must phase out foreign aid and start looking out for the forgotten Americans right here in the U.S.A.
It is time for a New Patriotism, where America's sovereignty is wholly and fully restored. And if, as Secretary General Kofi Annan has threatened, we will lose our vote in the United Nations, if we don't give him the billion dollars he says we owe him, I would give Mr. Kofi this word of advice: Sir, don't go there. Because if our vote in the UN is in jeopardy, your lease on Turtle Bay is in jeopardy.
As for America's immense trade deficits, even Mr. Greenspan is now alarmed, as they approach four percent of our entire economy. Because of NAFTA and GATT, America's industrial base has been hollowed out, our manufacturing workers, who support families on a single wage, have been forced to compete with sweatshop labor abroad; and our country has been left dependent on imports for the vital necessities of national life.
We must cut out these cancerous trade deficits and make America a self-reliant nation again. And to those who prattle on about out duties to the Global Economy, let me say it again: I'm not running for president of the world; I'm running for President of the United States.
But of all the needs of this nation, none is greater for our peace and happiness than racial reconciliation. The backsliding toward hyphenated-Americanism must end. Let us abolish quotas and set-asides, these un-American devices that reward individuals based on what color they are, or what continent their kinfolk came from. Let us abandon a sterile and futile politics of victims-and-villains, and rediscover what brings us all together as one nation and one people. All of us must learn our English language. All of us must come to know our common history, heritage, and American heroes, so we can get our great Melting Pot working its magic again. Any man or woman from any continent or any country can be a good American. We know that. But it takes time to assimilate the thirty million who have come in the last thirty years. And we need time. Indeed, we need a time-out on legal immigration, to ease the downward pressure on workers' wages and to defeat the forces of separatism that threaten us and nations all over the world.
This land is our land; it belongs to all of us, immigrant and native-born alike; and it would be unpardonable ingratitude if we, the children of pioneers and patriots of every color, continent, and creed, lost this last best hope of earth, because we could not learn to live with one another, and could not learn to love one another.
If America stands for anything in this world, it is freedom. Yet today America is among the most over-taxed, over-regulated, and over-governed societies in history. Our Federal Government collects a fifth of all the wealth we produce and controls perhaps half of it. Can anyone name a single regulation that has been repealed in ten years, or a single agency that has been abolished? Even the National Endowment for the Arts soldiers defiantly on.
We need to restore the old constitutional division of labor in government. Defense and foreign policy are the province of the federal government, but welfare and education are the business of state and local governments. And in children's education, parents come first, teachers second, and federal judges not at all.
Mr. Bush says his Department of Education will write tests for fourth grade children in Idaho. But if I am elected president, the bureaucrats at the Department of Education are not going to be testing kids; they're going to be testing the magic of the market place. And all federal money for the school children of America will be sent back to the school districts of America, where accountability begins and authority belongs.
We need a new Supreme Court where only constitutionalists need apply, a court that will respect both states rights and human rights, that will begin to undo the damage done this nation by judicial aggressions, beginning with that abomination they call Roe v. Wade.
We need a President and a Congress that will pick up the whip the Founding Fathers left in Article III of the Constitution-to herd the justices back into the narrow stalls to which they were first consigned by Hamilton and Madison.
What is a self-governing people doing, waiting meekly each week for nine jurists to tell us how we may govern ourselves? As our fathers threw off a tyranny of kings, let us throw off this tyranny of judges-and let America be America again!
As for our IRS tax code, it is an insult to a free people, the product of an endless series of corrupt bargains between lobbyists and legislators. Let us rip this weed out by its roots, cut taxes to the lowest level in modern history, eliminate taxes on savers and small business, and shift the burden where it belongs, on a transnational elite that has no loyalty to any country.
For every tax on manufactured goods that are made in the U.S.A, let us put an equal tax on foreign goods dumped in the U.S.A. For every tariff China puts on us, let us put an equal tariff on them. That way, Mr. Clinton's campaign contributors down at the Chinese embassy can start contributing to the upkeep of the Seventh Fleet.
Friends, ours is truly the best of times and the worst of times. With our miraculous advances in medicine, science, and technology, none of us would want to go back to yesterday. But something good has been lost from those years as well: The old patriotism, a popular culture that undergirded the values of faith, family, and country, the idea that we Americans are a people who sacrifice and suffer together, and go forward together, the mutual respect, the sense of limits, the good manners; all are gone. My life has been spent in the great and good vocations of politics, journalism, and government. None commands the respect it once did; all today are in disrepute.
I cannot think of a time since Watergate, so poisoned with rancor and hostility, and I don't know if any president can change that, the way Ronald Reagan infused his time with his spirit and unabashed love of country. But I do know this: I will try.
America needs a Government of National Unity and Reconciliation that draws from the best of all parties, and I promise you: I will create that kind of government. And if we build it, they will come.
My friends, all the great empires of Europe that began our century so full of swagger and bombast came crashing down to ruin. All are now surrendering their identities and their independence to a super state that pays homage to the god of Mammon. America alone still endures, independent and free. The great questions before us are these: Shall we, too, yield to their temptation, follow their path, and suffer their fate? Is the call to empire irresistible? Is a world government inevitable? Or can America remain forever a light unto the nations, an example to mankind of how a free people should govern themselves, a republic above whose sovereignty stands the sovereignty of God alone.
That is our cause. And so it is that in the name of the Founding Fathers, we go forth to rescue America, and we will not quit this fight as long as there is breath within us.
God save the Republic, and God bless America.
Read and learn!
Read and learn
Are you going to wrap my knuckles with a ruler if I don't?
There's an exception for Bush Cultists. Bush Cultists are required to be ignorant.
Me wrote: Read and learn.
You wrote: Are you going to wrap my knuckles with a ruler if I don't?
Dane - this was for 'The Character Assassins'. Evidently you consider yourself to be one.
Thanks for being honest.
Great speech, but we need to prepare for the media spin. I have to agree with what someone else said on another thread. The media are going to ignore the whole speech and focus on the very good idea that we should be one nationa and one people. They will say that is what Hitlker said, neglecting the additional and crucial "Ein Fuhrer," they will twist this and run with it.
So all you brilliant folks who seem to be able come up with good photos (like the GIF of Pizza the Hutt for a thread about the new Pizza Hut "Big New Yorker" ad camapign) and quotes and bits of historical truth, you need to find quotes from other great American leaders who have made the quite obvious point that we should be one nation and one people.
Except for the unfortunate protectionism this is a far more anti-big government speech than GWB could have ever given. So much for the Bushite claim that Buchanan is a socialist!
I cannot think of a time since Watergate, so poisoned with rancor and hostility, and I don't know if any president can change that, the way Ronald Reagan infused his time with his spirit and unabashed love of country. But I do know this: I will try.
This is funny. A Buchanan presidency would be nothing BUT rancor and hostility.
This is funny. A Buchanan presidency would be nothing BUT rancor and hostility.
How typical - forget about what IS and talk (A LOT OF) nonsense about what we say will be.
And... if he doesn't say what we want him to say, then pretend that we know exactly what he THINKS when he doesn't say it.
Bush Cultists thrive on rancor and hostility. It's their way of trying to keep people ignorant, and a person has to be ignorant to support Bush.
"Pat Buchanan is a highly intelligent man with a very strong historical sense….." -- Sir John Keegan, Military Historian
Character Assassins
Please tell me how you consider me a "character assassin"? I just made an observation about your "Read and learn!" comment. I was just trying to point out your hyperbole. Obviously, you don't like anybody who disagrees with you. Oh well your loss.
PS: Gain a sense of humor.
more like realism and honesty
This should be a happy day for the Brigadiers, but, no, like cornered animals, the long knives are still out.
On a day of joy, there is defensiveness.
See, what did I tell you. Rancor and hostility. It's already started.
Bush Cultists are required to be ignorant.
That's right, support Pat or you're ignorant!! Just because he's an egotistical jerk doesn't matter. He's our guy.
This is funny. A Buchanan presidency would be nothing BUT rancor and hostility.
I'm sure you see it that way. Buchanan's committment to ending our slide toward world government and the use of our military to beat up a defenseless country like Kosovo will be treated with rancor. No doubt, his unwavering stand on abortion will arouse a lot of hostility. His insistence on fair and balanced trade will cause a lot of controversy. His intent to abolish the Department of Education will be denounced by such "conservatives" as Dubya. His call to limit immigration will be denounced by a lot of hyphenated Americans. His plan to send all welfare back to the states will be hated by millions of parasites.
Yes there will be rancor and hostility, as you said. The elite has already treated with rancor and hostility everything that this country has always stood for. The elite has real rancor against patriots who still know what America should be. And patriots certainly feel some rancor against those shadowy NWO leaders and organizations which undermine our sovereignty and our ability to choose our own destiny. The elites provide "responsible leadership" by embracing corrupt lobbying and election processes and standing by while our president sells out our national security to foreign powers like China and give them control of the Panama Canal.
Yes, I'm sure you'll see it as rancor. I see it as the stand of a patriot, the principles which Patrick Buchanan still stands for.
Buchannon 2000!
Pat Buchanan, the candidate for those whose IQ is less than their shoe size....... I wonder, will all you idiots support the Deformed Party candidate if Pat should lose? Would you support the "Donald" or Lenora Fulani????????
Try as I might, I just can't imagine what in the world the Reform Party platform would look like. Would it be more like Buchanan's populism, or Fulani's communism?
Nothing about this passion play makes sense to me...except I can figure out that Pat's pissed at the RNC. But the Reform Party as a better home for his conservative principles? I don't think so...
LOL! Forgive me, had a late night and just woke up! LOL!
Go Pat Go!!!
I gotta say it...Go Pat Go!!!!
When I read this, I could feel the patriotic blood surging thru my veins...YES!!!
Whether or not ya like Pat, the man is a MAGNIFICANT writer and thinker. I can't wait to vote for him....
Gotta go change my voter registration ... right NOW !!!
Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey.
Is a vulture considered a bird of prey?
Thanks! A great speech by a great man!
Sorry it took so long to reply to your incoherent post. I was busy donating $100 to Buchanan online. Now, as for your remarks:
Get an education. Get a job.
Stupic italics.
"Buchannon 2000!"
Has someone else entered the race? If you're going to support the man, at least spell his name right!
Well, I think those great big, red, 22 inch shoes that all the reformed party members have to wear as part of their traditional bonzo uniform will really do a lot to bring Pat's appearance into line with his intellegence, his love of country, and his ego.
This should be a happy day for the Brigadiers, but, no, like cornered animals, the long knives are still out. Animals with knives?
It's Halloween; so I used a mixed metaphor.
I wonder, will all you idiots support the Deformed Party candidate if Pat should lose? Would you support the "Donald" or Lenora Fulani????????
What can I say? I'm not surprised to find here the typical 'lemming-like' (or should I say 'sheep-like'?) 'thought' pattern that seems to be the characteristic of most mind-numbed GOP supporters.
Limbaugh began his show asking if we Brigade members would support the Reform Party candidate if Buchanan fails to get the nomination. I'm sure all the sycophants thought it was a brilliant question, so we'll undoubtedly hear it over and over again. The answer is a simple one, well, simple to anyone who isn't a party hack. If the Reform Party's candidate's policies are good for America we'll support him or her, if not, we won't.
God Save Our Constitutional Republic!! Death to the "New World Order"!!!
GO PAT GO = GO GO!!!!!!
Limbaugh began his show asking if we Brigade members would support the Reform Party candidate if Buchanan fails to get the nomination
It's not a bad question, even though I have reasons to suspect that it was asked in a rhetorical context.
The answer is, of course, IT DEPENDS - I expect to actually THINK about it WHEN and IF that time comes. I suppose this is hard to figure out.
By the way, even if no longer a GOP guy, I may very well support Republicans if they deserve my support. In fact, I do expect to vote for Santorum in 2000.
"I see it as the stand of a patriot, the principles which Patrick Buchanan still stands for."
It is one thing to have strong convictions and believe in what you believe in.
It is entirely another to accuse anyone and everyone that does not agree with your stand as being ignorant, unpatriotic, uninformed, etc. Civil discussion can only take place between people who respect the person they are conversing with. Mr. Buchanan's supporters do not seem to have an iota of respect for anyone that disagrees with their point of view.
That is why I'm glad to see Buchanan and his "Brigade" depart from the Republican Party. Bon voyage!
An outstanding speech with a message that will resonate in the hearts and minds of millions and millions of patriotic Americans. At least for me, I can't wait to get into the voter's booth and pull the lever for a president who will put an end to the suffocating status quo in this former Republic. Quite unlike my dread and distaste in voting for Dole in '96.
C'mon patriots of America. Join the Buchanan Brigade and don't miss your chance to put a foot in the rear of the New World Order! A glorious day indeed!
""My friends, this year is our last chance to save our republic, before she disappears into the godless New World Order that our elites are constructing in a betrayal of everything for which our Founding Fathers lived, fought, and died.""
All we need ask ourselves is: "Do I share this man's courage, integrity and honor?"
Any answering "No" simply need not apply.
;-/
Pat Buchanan, the candidate for those whose IQ is less than their shoe size....... I wonder, will all you idiots support the Deformed Party candidate if Pat should lose? Would you support the "Donald" or Lenora Fulani????????
These are Rush's talking points today. The answer is obviously NO. No Brigadeer that I know would support Trump or Fulani. Now would you support Shays, King, or Whitman if they were the Republicrat nominee?
""See, what did I tell you. Rancor and hostility. It's already started.""
Oh, come on now. You started your self-fulfilling campaign of rancor and hostility a long time ago... and you know it.
So do we.
;-/
All we need ask ourselves is: "Do I share this man's courage, integrity and honor?
What happened to Buchanan's principled stand on social issues? Looks like Pat traded his integrity for a shot at the Reform Party nomination.
Bets on the date when we hear, "Well, Larruh, th' volunteers are tellin' me that they-all jes cain't vote fur Buchannen, so I jes hav' to run agin...."?
That wasn't a speech Pat gave. It was a political suicide note. Pretty soon now, we won't see Pat no more.
Yeah, Buchanan should be able to recognize "rancor and hostility", he's full of it.
Reform = Perot
No Thank You.
We patriots have, with Pat Buchanan, a first class leader with whom to pin our hopes on. His sense of history and his resultant analysis of it is inspiring. He did the right thing leaving the Republican party. It's been quite a while since I first started to reply to GOP requests for money with a simple "NO WAY, JOSE!!". I took Haley Barbours requests and wrote out all the reasons I felt betrayed by the GOP. Now, I can do more than refuse them money. I, like others will go out and switch my party affiliation to Reform Party so I can vote in the primary. On the subject of the "Reform Party".....The Reform Party will become what Buchanan wants it to be...I don't care who they have in it..they'll be inconsequential when Nov 2000 rolls around. Anybody know what Haley Barbour is doing these days? When you find out, you'll have one of the reasons I am leaving the Republican Party. Fellow patriots...get your wallets out and write the next President of the United States a check. GO PAT GO
What happened to Buchanan's principled stand on social issues? Looks like Pat traded his integrity for a shot at the Reform Party nomination.
This is Buchanan's first speech as a Reform Party member. Did you read it? Note the following references to conservative "social" issues:
"And neither [party] fights today with conviction and courage to rescue God's country from the cultural and moral pit into which she has fallen."
"Can anyone name a single regulation that has been repealed in ten years, or a single agency that has been abolished? Even the National Endowment for the Arts soldiers defiantly on."
"And all federal money for the school children of America will be sent back to the school districts of America, where accountability begins and authority belongs."
"We need a new Supreme Court where only constitutionalists need apply, a court that will respect both states rights and human rights, that will begin to undo the damage done this nation by judicial aggressions, beginning with that abomination they call Roe v. Wade."
"But something good has been lost from those years as well: The old patriotism, a popular culture that undergirded the values of faith, family, and country, the idea that we Americans are a people who sacrifice and suffer together, and go forward together, the mutual respect, the sense of limits, the good manners; all are gone."
This is Buchanan's first speech as a Reform Party member. Did you read it? Note the following references to conservative "social" issues:
Too bad no one else in the leadership of the Reform Party (Perot, Trump, Ventura,...) supports those positions. The Reform Party is as pro-life as the Democratic Party.
Too bad no one else in the leadership of the Reform Party (Perot, Trump, Ventura,...) supports those positions. The Reform Party is as pro-life as the Democratic Party.
And what are George Bush's statements on the above issues?
A great and typical rousing speech from Pat. It is a shame it will not do him much good. He has burnt any capital he had with me and I for one won't miss him.
Adios Pat.
Greg Adams
aka ImpBill
Keyes2000
I don't think Pat has a prayer either, but I've sent my donation to him and I will vote for him. I did the expediant thing in '96 and voted for Dole. Never again. I think the Republicans should change their name to the Expediant party. I will still support individual Republicans like Rogan or Hyde, but no more contributions to the RNC. I think W. and Limbaugh make a mistake when they assume that conservatives have no other place to go. I'd rather go no place then hold my nose and succomb to the current mush passing for the truth. Hopefully principle still matters to a significant number of people. GO PAT GO!
Too bad no one else in the leadership of the Reform Party (Perot, Trump, Ventura,...) supports those positions. The Reform Party is as pro-life as the Democratic Party.
The Democrats have strong pro-abortion language in their platform and it is a litmus test for their national candidates. The Reform Party has no position on abortion at all. Check for yourself. They have a certain reputation for a libertarian view though. I attribute this to their lack of a consensus on abortion and a decision to avoid something so potentially divisive. The same thing for the actual Libertarian Party. Reform has no litmus test, either anti- or pro-abortion.
Perot is no longer the primary force in Reform Party leadership. Trump and Ventura are the ones who don't belong in the Reform Party; Trump had to go make a PR speech at a casino this morning which delayed his own announcement speech and Ventura is still cowering in the statehouse, hiding from those "weakminded" Christians. It's Trump and Ventura who are the joke here. Buchanan is a patriot whose committment to principle and country are stronger than loyalty to a party that has treated him and the Constitution with such contempt.
Trump and Ventura both support free trade through NAFTA/GATT etc. Buchanan shares the views of the Reform Party and will campaign on their full platform as his speech made clear. However, he will not abandon his social conservative principles to win their nomination.
Now would you support Shays, King, or Whitman if they were the Republicrat nominee?
Excellent point, friend. If the truth be known, most people probably vote for the person rather than the party. Although there will always be straight party voting, more and more people are swing voters than yesteryear. And let's not forget those who have just quit voting altogether. Watch for a much higher percentage of the voting electorate going to the poles this election, and watch a lot of those prodigal voters casting their vote for someone who, like Reagan, strikes a patriotic nerve and relights good, old-fashioned pride in America.
On a more unfortunate note, that same talkshow host you referred to said that Buchanan went to the Reform Party for 12 pieces of silver. The rancor and hostility has truly begun in earnest. Sad. But that's OK, because Pat will remain a gentleman and the electorate will take note.
I think W. and Limbaugh make a mistake when they assume that conservatives have no other place to go.
I believe it's high time to properly qualify today's 'conservatives'. Rather than 'cultural' vs. 'economic' we are dealing with a much deeper split: pro-American vs. Globalist Conservatives.
No pro-American Conservative should stay in the Democrat or Republican parties since they ceased to be pro-American political organizations.
"We intend to dust off an ancient document and restore it to its rightful place as the altar piece of American government. You may have heard of it. It's called the Constitution of the United States."
Well, I'm all for this. Unfortunately, I don't think Pat and I mean the same thing when we say it. I don't see how it can be Constitutional to tell businesses where to locate their facilities, to back the War on Drugs and its attendant blatantly unconstitutional provisions, or to call for the equivalent of censorship to restore our "moral values". I think it's interesting to look at Pat's (and Perot's) positions on the "diamond test" (aka The World's Smallest Political Quiz - take it at http://www.self-gov.org/lp-quiz.shtml, or squeeze here ). I just took it pretending to be Pat, and got the message "According to your answers, your political philosophy is on the border of right-conservative and authoritarian." Those of you who are better versed in Pat's philosophy might try your hand. I was unsure of his positions on the minimum wage and subsidies for business and farms. (I also took it pretending to be Ross, and got pure authoritarian.) Being libertarian, these guys don't sit too well with me. While I think Pat is on the correct track in many areas, particularly including keeping us out of conflicts that are none of our business, I'm not sure freedom would increase under a Buchanan administration. I think it would be just be a new set of laws to restrict us in different ways. And Pat really ought to know better on the anti-free-trade stuff. After all, he was right there with Reagan, who understood that free trade helps the economy in general, although it can be hard on companies and workers forced to adjust to foreign competition.
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""What happened to Pat's principled stand on social issues?""
Here, let me help you to read; Pat writes:
""We need a new Supreme Court where only constitutionalists need apply, a court that will respect both states rights and human rights, that will begin to undo the damage done this nation by judicial aggressions, beginning with that abomination they call Roe v. Wade...""
Looks like YOU traded YOUR integrity for a shot at Buchanan.
A cheap, and quite uninformed shot, at that. Good job.
;-/
There is a two party system - it's the globalist/America first two party system. If you're with Buchanan you know who you are, if you're not, you are a New World Order globalist, wittingly, or not.
Hah!
""The Reform Party is as pro-life as the Democratic Party.""
I am a proud Founding Member of The Reform Party. I have argued long and hard for Buchanan to join our cause.
I am as Pro-Life as is Pat, and my fellow Founding Reformers welcome Mr. Buchanan to The Reform Party.
So do I.
You know not whereof you spew. But, I understand a frightened child's need to "whistle past the graveyard."
After all, it's your funeral.
;-/
God Bless Buchanan!! Piss on the Bush sheeple and assorted GOP party hack zealots who keep putting party over principle!!
FReecerely Yours,
Yeah, Rush's hypothetical pissed me off. It was totally assinine. What do you expect from a globalist? As an aside, what do you think of the fact that this Lear jet crashed and Clinton wasn't even trying to deflect?
Thanks, I took the test, pretending to be myself.
There were one or 2 VERY badly worded questions but... anyway, this is what I got:
Your Personal Self-Government Score is 60%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 90%.
Please note that there are no questions or scoring on patriotism (nationalism if you want). We must start by answering ourselves questions such as 'are we a country or a marketplace?' or 'do we owe ANYTHING to America - as in "should we care AT ALL about those poor shmucks who can't go to college and must follow some muscle-bound career just because they happen to be as American as we are?"
I show up in that test as a rightish Libertatian and... know what? I fully support Mr. Buchanan.
And, yes, I do believe that military service should be mandatory for as long as we need a military.
Would you support the "Donald" or Lenora Fulani????????
Good question, griz. Only now we have the following:
Jesse is having an epiphany. He wants to run, but he promised the people of Minnesooooooooota that he'd serve his term. Should he, or shouldn't he? To be or not to be? That is the question Jesse is turning over in his mind.(?) Prediction: He'll run.
The Donald is trying to make up his mind whether or not to bestow his magnificence on the presidensity. His ego says that he's the best the American people can have. His ego is wrong, but the Donald doesn't acknowledge that.
Then we have The Pat, whose massive ego causes him to see himself as the second coming. Enuff said.
But waiting in the wings...waiting in the wings, we have the most massive ego of all: Ross Perot!!! He'll be the Reform Party candidate, just mark my words.
One of the most troubling traits of Pat and his followers is their apparent belief that those who disagree with them are unprincipled. For example, you speak of those "who put party above principle." Even in your euphoria over Pat's departure to the Reform Party, you must admit that it is at least possible that those who disagree with Pat also proceed based on their beliefs, rather than expediency. I personally believe that Pat's views on trade and the courts, if they were ever enacted, would be greater threats to our prosperity and liberty than the vaguely defined NWO that so many of his followers seem to fear, and I would oppose his election based on that belief, not out of loyalty to a party.
Almost as troubling, and actually more offensive, is their apparent belief that Pat and those who follow him have a monopoly on patriotism. One can be a patriot and love America without necessarily agreeing with Pat Buchanan.
I'm an 80% / 80% on the little quiz so I guess I'm a much better American than you are because of my great Libertarian philosophy. However, I am not a Libertarian nor will I be. I rejected their views on open borders and legalizing all (instead of some) currently illegal drugs even back at the height of my disenchantment with Republicans. I like some of their ideas though. A huge shrinking of the federal government and its role in our lives would be quite welcome.
...One can be a patriot and love America without necessarily agreeing with Pat Buchanan.
No. No, you can't. You'll understand why after the Fuehrer is elected and we forcibly enroll you in our re-education camp.
Here's the absurd reality that none of Buchanan's supporters have thusfar addressed nor has Buchanan himself.
Now that he's totally alienated the democrats and republicans who now hold power, what congressman is going to vote for any of Pat's agenda should he get elected?
Uhhhh......
Well, there were a couple or REALLY STUPID questions that I left unanswered which, I guess, marked me as a 'moderate'.
You know not whereof you spew. But, I understand a frightened child's need to "whistle past the graveyard."
Spare me the childish taunts.
Buchanan already admitted that he would have to focus on the economic issues at the expense of the social issues.
Buchanan belongs in the Constitution Party. Of course, the Constitution Party nomination does not come with a $13 million dollar prize.
Now that he's totally alienated the democrats and republicans who now hold power, what congressman is going to vote for any of Pat's agenda should he get elected?
It would be an interesting specacle to whatch, wouldn't it?
Actually watch some of those pompous (and dumb) asses show the country how they care more about their little party than the country - the pompous and smart asses would probably go along with the big boss, like they always do.
By the way, not all Congressmen should are pompous asses but I believe that they are in a majority.
Of course, the Constitution Party nomination does not come with a $13 million dollar prize.
What prize does the GOP nomination come with?
Spare me the bold-faced lies.
Pat said no such thing. Given how convincingly you state such untruths, you must be either a Demican or a Republocrat.
However, I quite understand a frightened child's need to "whistle past the graveyard."
After all, it IS your funeral. Enjoy.
;-/
What prize does the GOP nomination come with?
More than $13 million.
"A Buchanan presidency would be nothing BUT rancor and hostility"
Something you never ever have to worry about. If the delusional are going to be elected President: Jesse Jackson comes first.
Pat said no such thing. Given how convincingly you state such untruths, you must be either a Demican or a Republocrat.
Denying the truth and calling me names does not change reality.
Like I said, I quite understand a frightened child's need to "whistle past the graveyard."
After all, it IS your funeral. Enjoy.
;-/
Denying the truth and calling me names does not change reality.
Just who is in denial here? The TRUTH is at the top of the thread in Buchanan's own words, not in some pundits spin of what principles Buchanan would abandon to win the RP nomination. Buchanan in his first speech as a Reform Party candidate has attacked the National Endowment for the Arts, Roe v. Wade, the moral and spiritual decline of America society, and the Federalization of Education.
Once again, what has George W. Bush said on these issues?
*snore*
Once again, what has George W. Bush said on these issues?
Prediction - if there is a significant Conservative relocation to Reform we will see GW back into what the 'insiders' call 'primary mode', when the candidate is supposed to 'sound' conservative in order to 'energize the base'.
Thanks for the post. I for one am happy that Buchanan has joined the Reform Party. The American people need to be exposed to a good philosophical debate on the future of America, instead of political mush!
Remember when Clinton and Gore visited Weirton, W. Va. during the 1992 campaign when they promised to enforce the US trade laws. According to Mark Glypis, president of the 4,000 member Independent Steelworkers Union, that now support Buchanan, "We may not agree with everything he stands for, but certainty on the issue of trade he's the candidate for us."
Republicans should not consider Buchanan as a spoiler that will give the election to the Democrats. I predict that much of Buchanan's message will appeal to many traditional democratic voters who feel sold out by NAFTA/GATT, those antiwar groups that did not sell out on Kosovo, as well as many conservatives.
In this election it is the electorial college vote that counts. If no candidate has a majority of the electorial college votes then the US House of Representatives votes for who among the top three candidates will be President.
You must always be compassionate, and never negative! Heed the Word of the Shrub!
Some of Buchanan's recommendations for government reform --
5-year ban on government lobbying by former Congressmen and staff.
5-year ban on government lobbying by former White House staff.
--What prize does the GOP nomination come with?--
Election Year Special! With the GOP nomination, every person in the country gets a free head full of propaganda, and a free belly full of socialism! Don't miss it!
Our nation and government have developed, over the years, a cancer which is destroying the core of everything for which patriot Americans stood. Pat Buchanan could be one of God's ways to purge us from this cancer. But I know one thing, nations who have travelled ahead on the path we trod now have come to nothingness, if not by violent and abrupt endings. We will not slouch toward greatness. If we want radical improvements, we'll need a radical change of heart, accompanied by 'radical' leadership. Those who argue that we need merely a less potent cancer in the white house who will still sell-out our nation for international expansionism and personal gain deceive themselves and others. In this generation of decadence and moral blindness, I'll go toward where the ad hominem attacks are directed, for there I know is a leader who is not ashamed to speak the truth.
This should be a happy day for the Brigadiers, but, no, like cornered animals, the long knives are still out.
On a day of joy, there is defensiveness.
See, what did I tell you. Rancor and hostility. It's already started.
And you, sir, just started it. Begone!
Long Live the Republic!
One pitiful little mention of Roe V. Wade; the great "champion of the unborn" couldn't even bring himself to utter the word "abortion" in a room full of his rabid followers.
The Fulani factor is already at work.
Now that he's totally alienated the democrats and republicans who now hold power, what congressman is going to vote for any of Pat's agenda should he get elected?
Jesse is Reform Governor of Minnesota, with a congress full of Republicans and Democrates. He seems to be doing pretty good with his tax refund and budget programs. Does that answer your question?
LOL.....you can't be suggesting that Pat Buchanan and Jesse Ventura have anything in common except for party affiliation can you?
One pitiful little mention of Roe V. Wade; the great "champion of the unborn" couldn't even bring himself to utter the word "abortion" in a room full of his rabid followers. The Fulani factor is already at work.
I thought we were talking about what Pat said, not what he didn't say. You make absolutely no sense. Stick to the script, please.
Well, both were against the Kosovo adventure and both are against gun control.
GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC...VOTE BUCHANAN...GO PAT GO...SMILES....
If Pat wants social issues to be front and center, he should make them front and center.
What did he talk about in his inaugural Reform "coming-out" party? Trade, Beijing, Democrats, Republicans, everything but his all-important "social issues."
Buchanan is a politician. Like all politicians, he'll adjust and become the chameleon that they all do.
I think I see why many Republicans loath Buchanan: he's for shutting off the borders and forcing American companies to hire American workers. This must not sit well with the Blue-bloods who put money ahead of their country. No wonder George W. is the favorite among Republicans! He'll keep things as they are: with companies employing slaves in other countries and keeping the money rolling in. This also explains why there isn't any conservative media coverage: why spend all of that money creating a conservative news network when you're already getting what you want! The Republicans and Democrats look more alike every day. :)
LOL.....you can't be suggesting that Pat Buchanan and Jesse Ventura have anything in common except for party affiliation can you?
They have a lot in common- a lot more freedom from big government- lower taxes- both are fighters and talk straight- etc.
What really matters is the give and take in the arena of ideas not which party you belong to. Every Party has its middle, left and right.
"I thought we were talking about what Pat said, not what he didn't say. You make absolutely no sense. Stick to the script, please."
Pat Buchanan for years has been saying he's for protecting the unborn.. What's with these people who are picking on him for not mentioning it in this speech?..I have not heard any other candidate to date besides Buchanan, Bauer, (unsure about Forbes) mention they are pro-life and will work on the issue if elected.
One pitiful little mention of Roe V. Wade; the great "champion of the unborn" couldn't even bring himself to utter the word "abortion" in a room full of his rabid followers.
Well, to educated people, "Roe vs. Wade" is synonymous with 'abortion', the same way "Brown vs the Board of Education" is synonymous with 'desegregation'.
But you're right--there are little Bushies out there watching---maybe he should have been more obvious, so they could have figured out what he was talking about.
I mean, most Bush followers think the term penal code has something to do with sex.
Pat's speech was terrific as usual. It is quite interesting to contrast his speeches with those of the frontrunners of the two insider parties. He sounds as though he believes in what he says, and that he writes his own speeches and that he understands what he is talking about, which is why I am glad he switched. Because now if he is allowed into the debates with the big-money party nominees, he will chew them up and spit them out, and the public will be able to hear him without going through the media filter.
GO PAT GO!
I think I see why many Republicans loath Buchanan: he's for shutting off the borders and forcing American companies to hire American workers.
Actually, if you read "The Great Betrayal", he is a lot more subtle than that. What he proposes is that all products manufactured overseas be treated as 'foreign-made' products and taxed as such. This is inexcusable for the Internationalist elite who insists in being afforded ALL the benefits of their American origins, incluing gov't bailouts when their foreign 'partners' reap them off while insisting that it should be none of our gov't business where they manufacture the goods they are selling here.
Sounds very much like TOTAL ECONOMIC FREEDOM WITHOUT ANY SOCIAL OR ECONOMIC RESPONSIBILITY.
If Pat wants social issues to be front and center, he should make them front and center. What did he talk about in his inaugural Reform "coming-out" party? Trade, Beijing, Democrats, Republicans, everything but his all-important "social issues." Buchanan is a politician. Like all politicians, he'll adjust and become the chameleon that they all do.
Read his speech again. What do you want a book? Then read his " Right from the beginning".
Wrong again Sink, Pat is not a politician in the sense of Clinton and the manipulated Dubya.
I may go for Dubya but not until he starts talking straight from his heart, like Pat does.
Jimgib, The Buchanan groundswell is beginning. There are more and more individuals that are extremely pissed at both the republicans and democrats right now. Both parties are sending our their "flying monkeys" and "goons" to discredit Buchanan.
Don't worry. The peasants that they are trying to persuade are much much smarter than these goons.
Hey, when you think Sinkspur, think "goon"....this guy is a party hack out to discredit Buchanan.
Remember, if these guys are pushing back, your going in the right direction. The "flying monkeys" are protecting the HIVE....
If Pat wants social issues to be front and center, he should make them front and center.
What did he talk about in his inaugural Reform "coming-out" party? Trade, Beijing, Democrats, Republicans, everything but his all-important "social issues."
Excuse me, Bush propagandist...
Pat has been talking about trade imbalances and Beijing all along, as have been his supporters. China, and the illicit relationship our government enjoys with it, should be the NUMBER ONE CONSERVATIVE CAMPAIGN ISSUE.
Instead the Republican camp bleats to us about 'compassion'.
What about the compassion of those butchers who slaughtered the unarmed students in Tienarmien Square?
Thanks to our Democrat friends, those same butchers have deadly nuclear missile technology---and thanks to our GOP friends, they have ample money to use to build those weapons they intend to use against our children.
Hey, when you think Sinkspur, think "goon"....this guy is a party hack out to discredit Buchanan.
Buchanan needs no help from me.
"I show up in that test as a rightish Libertatian and... know what? I fully support Mr. Buchanan.
"And, yes, I do believe that military service should be mandatory for as long as we need a military." Interesting. That would make you the first libertarian I've ever met who favored conscription. I take it that you also support the War on Drugs and restrictions on international trade (since you "fully support" Buchanan). Again I don't know any other libertarians favoring those items. Perhaps you are correct in believing the questions are not well stated because in this case I tend to believe they generated out-of-line results. The quiz tries to get away from the old "right-left" dichotomy and examine more dimensions of political thought. But a better analysis in that area is a recent book "The Future and Its Enemies" by Virginia Postrel. She discusses changing the dichotomy from "right-left" to instead contrast what she calls "stasists" (not statists!) who are those who want the world to be more static and fear dramatic change versus "dynamicists" who embrace change and believe it benefits society overall in the long run. She classifies Buchanan as a stasist because he want to control borders, reduce international competition, regain traditional moral values, etc. all in an attempt to return us to a more static, less rapidly changeable time. That leads to my chief problem with Buchanan. I have no doubt he intends well, and I don't buy the anti-Semite stuff. I also have a lot of sympathy with his criticism of the Republican mainstream. But I just don't think a "turn back the clock" approach can possibly work in a rapidly changing world. The amount of control required to implement such an approach also scares the hell out of me. Just one non-Bush-supporter's critique of Pat....
Perhaps we need a little hostility against traitors such as William Jefferson Clinton and his gang. Something which no other Republican has dared to speak.
Wrong Sinky. The rancor and hostility started months ago when Buchanan said he was seeking the Republican nomination. The rancor and hostility, the lies, the slime have been coming by the tons against this most honest man. It is not Buchanan who has called his opponents Nazis, and racists, but the slime buckets of the left in both the Democrat and Republican parties who know better.
Of course we will not support the Reformed Party if Pat is not the nominee. But one thing is clear from his announcement speech: Pat Buchanan will not compromise his principles to get the Reform Party nomination.
All you and the other anti-Buchanan slimers can do is indulge in personal attacks. Why not tell us what is wrong with what he said (not what you think he said, what you wish he said or what you the mind seer thinks he believes)?
Anyone who continues to support Communist China after it has stolen our technology, threatened the US and Taiwan, and threatens our citizens with nuclear missiles can not lay claim to being a patriot and Patrick J. Buchanan is the only man in public view that dares call it treason.
Excuse me? Did you not read the speech? Did you not read his strong stand against abortion? Why can you Bushites not attack the man with the truth? Why must you make up lies about him?
I do not think Pat has a chance at becoming President, and I am sure he knows it also. He is not leaving for money, he is not leaving to become a Perotista. He is leaving for the same reason Reagan left the Democrats - the Republican Party has changed. They would not allow him to have his say, they played dirty tricks on him in primaries, they used the full force of the party against him. They told him we do not want no conservatives here.
Well Pat by his pulling out will make all Republicans start thinking that maybe, maybe they need the conservatives and that maybe, if they truly want to win, they have to nominate a conservative instead of Clinton Lite to head their party.
Chestnut....I luv your tenacity!!! You keep on swinging away...you have backbone!!! Keep it up....
right on! right on! You just kicked _____and took names!
A hearty GO PAT GO / GO REFORM 2000 GO! from Americans overseas (absentee voters at that!)
Buchanan belongs in the Constitution Party.
Ditto. His positions are definitely more in sync with the Constitution Party Platform.
I have not heard any other candidate to date besides Buchanan, Bauer, (unsure about Forbes) mention they are pro-life and will work on the issue if elected.
Howard Phillips has emphasized his commitment to the Right to Life. See www.constitutionparty.com for more info.
Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey. On foreign and trade policy, open borders and centralized power, our Beltway parties have become identical twins. Both supported NAFTA and GATT and the surrender of our national sovereignty to the WTO. Both supported the extension of nuclear war guarantees to the borders of Russia. Both supported the illegal war on Serbia. Both support IMF bailouts of corrupt regimes. Both vote for MFN trade privileges for a Communist Chinese regime that today targets missiles on American cities. The appeasement of Beijing is a bipartisan disgrace, and we will not be a part of it.
AMEN.
I feel sorry for those who support Clinton/Bush, as I feel sorry for this country. I'm sure many Bush/Clinton supporters are decent people, but they are the credulous souls who have let their television sets control what they think.
There seems to be no getting through to them, but I'll continue to try. My main issue is Kosovo, I can't believe they weren't paying attention to who was saying what at that critical time in this nation's history (witness their apathetic misconceptions: "I think he was just supporting the Troops"). I think that the words of the candidates at that time should be decisive in the next election. We find two groups:
Gore/Clinton/Dole/McCain/Forbes/Bradley - Favored US Intervention in Kosovo
vs.
Buchanan/Keyes - Opposed US Intervention in Kosovo
This is not rocket science. That war benefited nobody in this country. Who knows what people benefited? Some elite people that hate this country, no doubt. But the Bushes have a pedigree in selling this country down the river to such people. Bush would donate our troops to anywhere his colonialist friends in Britain wished, he was happy with a service economy and our troops in service as the world's free security guard. He thought it wonderful that our kids serve as cannon fodder to maintain the "world order" - in short he was for the elite of the world at the expense of the "peasants" of America.
Keyes and Buchanan have spoken out against this. They deserve high office, unlike the globalist slime that the Bush/Clinton media deems electable.
SOME CHOICE, WE ARE OFFERED, OTHER THAN BUCHANAN/KEYES: The "electable" clones Gore/Forbes/Bush/McCain/Bradley share the Clinton view on NAFTA, the Clinton view on GATT, the Clinton view on WTO, the Clinton view on the UN, the Clinton concept of NATO, the Clinton view of MFN for China, the Clinton view on WTO membership for China, the Clinton foreign policy in its entirety down to the letter. Of course the Bushes, Bradleys, McCains, and Gores are plastered across all three channels, the propaganda machine wants to boil this race down to Clinton vs. Clinton (Democrat) vs. Clinton vs. Clinton (Republican). Four identical choices: with a democracy like this who needs the Evil Empire???
Pat Buchanan and/or Alan Keyes are the only hope for this country.
Anyone who continues to support Communist China after it has stolen our technology, threatened the US and Taiwan, and threatens our citizens with nuclear missiles can not lay claim to being a patriot and Patrick J. Buchanan is the only man in public view that dares call it treason.
Quite true, though Keyes comes pretty close.
Perot defeated one Bush and will use Pat to defeat another if he possibly can. From where I stand Pat has committed something just a little less than treason; he has sold his soul to Perot.Now Perot has a ally who is loved and respected by many to aid and abet his hate the Bush family campaign. At best this scenario will elect Gore. Pat's lust for power may very well bring us all down.
Those who want to stay in office for long will vote for his agenda. And on hte key issues- such as the globalist NAFTA- much of the damage that Mr. clinton's pen did can be undone by a simple Buchanan signature.
Neo-imperialist extremists have already brought us down...
I guess that would be possible in the dreamland where Pat gets elected. Then again he's basically taken a huge and unfortunately ill-advised gamble.
At best he'll get 8 points. Perot may in fact sully the whole thing by getting into the race himself if he perceives that Buchanan can't injure the Bush Presidency to his liking. In order to Hurt Bush, they need at least 20 points. And it aint gonna happen. If Pat wins, I'll get on my hands and knees in the middle of San Jose and praise God because it will require divine intervention for Pat to win. If anyone denies that God exists were Buchanan to win, they should be laughed into another county.
I know God has a sense of humor but I don't believe he's that mean. Although there is a very apropos saying that comes to mind: Be carefull what you wish for, you might just get it.
Interesting. That would make you the first libertarian I've ever met who favored conscription. I take it that you also support the War on Drugs and restrictions on international trade (since you "fully support" Buchanan). Again I don't know any other libertarians favoring those items. Perhaps you are correct in believing the questions are not well stated because in this case I tend to believe they generated out-of-line results.
I suppose the questionnaire was done by Libertarians in such a way so that they can say - YOU TOO ARE ONE OF US.
By the way, I don't care about what drugs people take for as long as they don't show up in the streets doing crazy things, such as hurting other people.
As for 'conscription', I plea guilty - I still believe that our country is worth defending and, since we apparently need an army to do so, all of us should contribute. Would you rather see the poor guys giving their lives for you? Is your life so much more precious than theirs? Is there a coincidence that, with no Congressguy son or daughter amongst the enlisted, it was so much easier to ignore and support the slaughter we caused in Yugoslavia.
Oh, and I am ABSOLUTELY for tariffs. I don't believe that the Chinese commies have the God-given right to bankrupt our industries and unemploy our less-talented compatriots while using our dollars to build better weapons to be used against us in a possible future war. Do you?
My friends, this year is our last chance to save our republic, before she disappears into the godless New World Order that our elites are constructing in a betrayal of everything for which our Founding Fathers lived, fought, and died.
AWRWC,
What I read & learn is that Pee-Jay has a Messiah complex. Which is ironic, given his holding Jews in rather low esteem.
Cordially...
Your drooling attempts at witty/pithy exchanges grow tiresome.
As do the relentless attempts to paint Pat as an anit-Semite. Very transparent and not too convincing. Try again.
'Cordially'
Max
'Max,
So you have "Adroit fatigue?" No problem with that.
Cordially...
What I read & learn is that Pee-Jay has a Messiah complex. Which is ironic, given his holding Jews in rather low esteem.
Clearly you have no idea what Mr. Buchanan stands for.
Not related to this particular issue but, nevertheless, even MORE disturbing, your ignorance extends A LOT farther. You seem to believe that Jesus (son of God) was a Jew. Do you really belive that God is... Jewish? Does He have a beard? How tall is He?
"As for 'conscription', I plea guilty - I still believe that our country is worth defending and, since we apparently need an army to do so, all of us should contribute. Would you rather see the poor guys giving their lives for you? Is your life so much more precious than theirs? Is there a coincidence that, with no Congressguy son or daughter amongst the enlisted, it was so much easier to ignore and support the slaughter we caused in Yugoslavia.
"Oh, and I am ABSOLUTELY for tariffs. I don't believe that the Chinese commies have the God-given right to bankrupt our industries and unemploy our less-talented compatriots while using our dollars to build better weapons to be used against us in a possible future war. Do you?" On conscription, I'll let Robert Heinlein speak since he expresses it far better than I ever could (he speaks about a draft lottery, but I think the concepts apply no matter how people are chosen for service): "A [draft] lottery, even meticulously fair, cannot make a man willing to charge a machine-gun nest in the fact of almost certain death. That sort of drive comes from emotional sources. Esprit de corps and patriotism cannot be drawn in a lottery. "Conscription works (among free men) only when it is not needed. I have seen two world wars; we used the draft in each... but in each case it was a means of straightening out the manpower situation; it was not needed to make men fight. Both wars were unpopular. "Since then we have had two non-Wars - Korea and Nam - in 'peacetime' and using conscript troops. And each non-War was a scandalous disaster. "I don't have a neat solution to offer. If the American people have lost their willingness to fight and die for their country, the defect cannot be cured by conscription." (Expanding Universe, page 540) I would add that the Gulf War was a magnificent success with all-volunteer armed forces. So I see conscription as neither necessary or desirable. That's aside from the moral argument that coercing individuals to give up a portion of their lives is wrong. On trade, the issue of selling stuff to our enemies is entirely separate in my mind from selling to our allies/friends/etc. Of course we are nuts to sell military equipment (or anything that can be used to bolster a military) to our enemies. (That leaves open the possibility of selling them movies, television shows, mindless video games, etc. Perhaps they would have the same negative effects on them as they have had on us. ) But that says nothing about NAFTA (which Pat hates). We aren't getting ready to fight a war with Mexico or Canada. So I believe the practical and moral reasons for free trade carry the day. And libertarian thought is pretty much united on that position. The main libertarian criticism of NAFTA is that it does not go far enough - it retains a lot of regulation of the trade which is allowed. So my previous point that your position has some significant disconnects from libertarian positions still remains. Pat, of course, has never claimed to be libertarian, and it's obvious from his positions that he is not.
Whoops, small typo. The "unpopular" about the world wars should have "popular". Sorry.
Clearly you have no idea what Mr. Buchanan stands for.
AWRWC,
More clearly, from the text of Pee-Jay's speech, he's conversant in crank-talk. If the complex isn't Messianic, it's Napoleonic.
Cordially...
Clearly you have no idea what Mr. Buchanan stands for.
May I ask, since you seem to know so much about God's ethnicity, how Tall is God? Is he... taller than Mike Jordan, taller than the Sears Tower?
Oh, and since He was Jewish, can you identify of which tribe He was part of?
AVRWC,
That settles it; it's a Messiah complex. Proven by the worshipful...well, disciples. Just in time for the Millenium, too.
In the event of Rapture, Pee-Jay might win.
Cordially...
AVWRC,
Here's an icon:
Cordially...
Some people would never admit writing ridiculous, false or irrelevant things.
One such example would be 'Ardoit' stating that God was Jewish.
AVWRC,
And some people can't see straight enough to understand what they read. You've gone off on God-is-Jewish; I'm just noting Pee-Jay's way puffed-up head. That last-chance-to-save-ourselves riff is just a hoot.
Cordially...
Adroit's words, as written by Adroit:
What I read & learn is that Pee-Jay has a Messiah complex. Which is ironic, given his holding Jews in rather low esteem. Clearly, Adroit believes that Messiah (God's Son) is Jewish.
Adroit fails to reveal God's shoe size. Is He wearing Nikes? Oh, no, that can't possibly be, Nike was a Greek goddess.
Not related to this particular issue but, nevertheless, even MORE disturbing, your ignorance extends A LOT farther. You seem to believe that Jesus (son of God) was a Jew. Do you really belive that God is... Jewish? Does He have a beard? How tall is He?
Come on, aren't you getting a little silly? How do you manage to jump from Jesus was a jew to then speculate on what God was.
The mystery is wrapped up the nature of the beggining and the end, good and bad. Deduction indicate that morals and ethics are built into humans and must have had a primary source. There must be one before two and that One all religions attribute to God. None of us know for sure, we just hope and try to accept the mystery of the existence of a good devine source directing us dispite all the injustices.
Helps people to get along as we sometimes do on this site. .
Clearly, Adroit believes that Messiah (God's Son) is Jewish.
AVWRC,
Clearly? Hoo-boy! Now, what does Pee-Jay really think of Jews? Christ-killers?
Cordially...
I admired your post. After reading Pat's speech, my heart was so full I couldn't compress what I felt in a few words. It is difficult to imagine how so many cannot also feel the profound love, the integrity and adherence to principle that charges every word Pat says and lies at the foundation of all his policies and heartfelt beliefs. He is a shining hope to those of us who are cognizant of the sacred truths that govern our Republic and sponsor our Liberties. Perhaps this, above all, is why he is so hated.
I rejoice in his presence as an American statesman and trust that his honor has already resonated with a permanence.
Come on, aren't you getting a little silly? How do you manage to jump from Jesus was a jew to then speculate on what God was.
Duckin, it's your friend Adroit being silly. I shall not keep repeating this.
Apparently when the Internationalists have no arguments, which is usually always, they like to digress on other topics. Most of the time, as in this case, they manage to make fools of themselves.
Yesterday, for example, one of your bulldogs (Greate Dane, I believe) stated that the Buchanan supporters were like 'cornered animals with long knives'???????!!!!!
I'm sorry you have no arguments and are forced to make such enormously silly statements but I am also glad that you prove yourselves wrong any time you write something in support of your mistaken views.
He is a shining hope to those of us who are cognizant of the sacred truths that govern our Republic and sponsor our Liberties. Perhaps this, above all, is why he is so hated.
Yes, that's exactly it. He presents some hope that the ideals of this country might actually be fulfilled, and that is a tremendous threat to the status quo.
Hey! Found this old thread on Google. Wow! This marked the beginning of the end of Pat Buchanan's 30 year career in politics. I miss the good ol' days where the brigagers predicted a "Buchanan/Keyes" ticket and announced he'd be in double digits by Sept. Reminince, my friends. You don't hear much from the "grassroots" leaders of the Reform Party today.
GOOD NITE PAT BUCHANAN
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