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THE MYTH OF HILLARY'S BRILLIANCE

News/Current Events Opinion (Published)
Source: NY Post on line
Published: 11-14-99 Author: JOHN PODHORETZ
Posted on 11/14/1999 12:05:53 PST by FISHHOG

Even though it's 15 months before theNovember 2000 election, Mrs. Clinton may have made a mistake that cannot be so quickly rectified.

For years, all we've heard about Hillary Rodham Clinton is how profoundly intelligent she is - a modern Athena, a goddess of the mind, a policy wonk of Greenspanian proportions. Perhaps now her notorious Talk magazine interview will finally explode the myth of Hillary Clinton's brilliance.

So potent is this myth that people have been spinning all kinds of theories about the first lady's secret strategy in discussing her husband's psychological deformations.

Nonsense. There was no strategy. The first lady just did something stupid. No, that's not quite right.

In fact, the interview was one of the most boneheaded political plays of our time. She seemed to acknowledge that yesterday by saying "I really believe strongly that the country has put that issue behind it, I have as well."

Even though it's 15 months before the November 2000 election, Mrs. Clinton may have made a mistake that cannot be so quickly rectified.

Entirely on her own, without prompting or cause, Hillary has given Americans and New Yorkers a reason to wish her out of the Senate race - and a reason to keep her out of the Senate.

I'm not referring here to Republicans and conservatives, who will move heaven and earth to vote against her. I'm referring to people who should be Hillary Clinton supporters.

If there was one lesson the Republican party learned from its sobering experience during the Lewinsky debacle, it was that the American people didn't want to hear about the president's sordid private life.

From thong to cigar, the whole business made them sick, and they blamed the president's political opponents for forcing them to pay attention to embarrassing personal matters best left undiscussed.

Mrs. Clinton has no one to blame but herself for the revival of that discussion. Hillary's actions have, I believe, caused the metastasis of a new political ailment within the hearts and minds of Democrats in New York. Call it "Hillary Clinton fatigue."

Let me explain. Mrs. Clinton's greatest liability in the New York Senate race was the possibility that even in a state that voted 61 percent for her husband in 1996, the phenomenon now plaguing Al Gore would beset her as well.

In Washington, they're calling that phenomenon "Clinton fatigue" - the feeling among Democrats and other supporters of the president that they've had enough of this guy and the roller coaster ride he's been dragging the American people on since he first announced for the presidency.

The Bill Bradley surge is evidence that Clinton fatigue is hampering Al Gore. And since Sunday, the signs of Hillary Clinton fatigue are everywhere.

The New York Observer's keen political reporter, Tish Durkin, yesterday surfaced a great longing among New York Democratic pooh-bahs that Hillary might actually withdraw from the race and leave the field clear for ex-Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin.

The Talk magazine interview is a self-inflicted wound for more than just the "Bill was an abused child" stuff. Though intended to be favorable and full of bizarre efforts at flattery - author Lucinda Franks quotes people who claim that the first lady single-handedly caused a magical economic turnaround in the nation of Morocco, for God's sake - the article reveals that the seemingly severe Hillary Rodham actually has a touch of the bimbo about her.

On a Martha's Vineyard vacation two years ago, Franks reports, Hillary told her the following story: "I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had about day care, and all of a sudden there's this flapping at the window and it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

Wow, man. A seagull. Cool. Evidently, the "best idea we ever had about day care" was forgotten once the grapefruit was devoured, because we've never heard tell of it since.

Whence comes Hillary Clinton's reputation for brilliance? This isn't the first time she's shot herself in the foot. Remember in 1992 when she praised herself for not staying home and baking cookies?

Remember the Rube Goldberg-like health-care plan?

The elevation of Hillary to the pantheon of the American meritocracy began in 1991, when Bill Clinton began running for president. We learned that she had been included in a book entitled "The 100 Best Lawyers in America."

That was for her work at the Rose Law Firm, of which she was partner - a partner at the highest profile law firm in the politically sleazy state in which her husband was the governor. One of the hundred best? Try one of the hundred best-connected.

We were told she had been the valedictorian of her class at Wellesley College and that she impressed everybody at Yale Law School. Doubtless, Hillary Rodham was a great student.

But such impressive credentials are not proof in themselves that her intellect is anything but above-average.

She's certainly hard-working and possessed of extraordinary sang-froid. But I've known many graduates of many fine universities for whom the word "shmuck" would be too generous a description.

As the Wizard of Oz told the Scarecrow: "I've known many notable men who haven't any more of a brain than you do. But they've got something you haven't got: A diploma!"

We know Hillary has a heart; her fierce mothering proves that. We know she has nerve; her Senate race proves that. But the world now has reason to wonder about her brain.


1 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:05:53 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

Good article, FH. Can we line up the libs, open up their heads and pour in wisdom?

2 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:16:01 PST by FrogMom
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To: FISHHOG

The spinners figured if they told the lie ( brilliant intellect) often enough, the masses would believe it. They were right, masses of dolts believe it. Even Hill believes it.

3 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:17:01 PST by wills
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To: FISHHOG

"I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had about day care, and all of a sudden there's this flapping at the window and it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

What the hell is this supposed to imply?? A sign from God???

4 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:23:44 PST by Prism
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To: FISHHOG

So many people confuse a good memory with intelligence that it boggles the mind. Most of the people who did well at my law school had excellent memories, but I would not consider them particularly intelligent. Hillary as shown by her performance with Arafat's wife demostrates that Hillary is not that intelligent. I believe the reason she continues moving forward with her decision to run for the Senate is that she wants to minimize the time she has to answer unrehearsed questions.

Can anyone recall the last time Hillary allowed herself to be questioned except in tightly controlled interviews. Even her pink suit interview was highly controlled.

5 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:24:34 PST by monocle
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To: FISHHOG

Hillary Clinton, ugh. I like my traitors good-looking, like Jane Fonda.

6 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:27:58 PST by MUDDOG (BIG_MUDDOG@yahoo.com)
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To: FrogMom

LOL and ya cant put common sense into the libs minds. they should be exterminated like pests.

7 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:33:11 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

Yeah, Hillary has a heart, A little black bebe, metaphysically speaking. Remember her comment about small businesses during the healthcare debacle. She has a small vendictive mind, with absolutly no view beyond herself.

She's outa there.

8 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:33:28 PST by stubernx98
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To: wills

I agree we have more dolts then people with common sense.

9 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:34:00 PST by FISHHOG
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To: Prism

LOL, your guess is as good as anyones as to what this means.

10 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:35:04 PST by FISHHOG
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To: MUDDOG

"I like my traitors good looking, like Jane Fonda".....LOL

11 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:37:16 PST by Ann Archy
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To: MUDDOG

"Hillary Clinton, ugh. I like my traitors good-looking, like Jane Fonda."

Ethyl Rosenberg was pretty hot too.

12 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:37:59 PST by mrgolden ( )
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To: monocle

Can anyone recall the last time Hillary allowed herself to be questioned except in tightly controlled interviews. Even her pink suit interview was highly controlled. ****

I don't believe she as ever had an uncontroled interview and we know why. Even the traitor is selective in giving interviews with news people.

13 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:38:49 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

Approval in NY for Hillary is higher among men than women in critical jewish vote. Men 48%, women 38%

14 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:38:58 PST by cornelis
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To: FISHHOG

One should note that the only credentials somebody needs to be considered brilliant is a pundit declaring you to be so. Thus, Gore is "intelligent," Hillary is "brilliant..." this is much the same as what you see in Hollywood, where some bimbo model or actress is pronounced brilliant because she memorizes a few big words and can use them halfway in context. And the label sticks among the sheeple, because they all know that if they hear it on television.

15 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:39:34 PST by Gecko
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To: FISHHOG

She is a pig.

16 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:39:36 PST by Joe Montana
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To: MUDDOG

YUK!!! Fonda cute? She looks like she has chased parked cars all her life.

17 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:39:42 PST by FISHHOG
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To: cornelis

What in the hell do the men see in that first bitch?

18 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:40:53 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

Not a bad article. The author's a bit off, though, with the Wizard of Oz metaphor. Instead of thinking of Hillary as Dorothy, perhaps a role featuring flying monkeys is more her forte....

19 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:41:17 PST by Owen_S
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To: FISHHOG

folks have always had "cunning" vs "intelligence" mixed up with the clintons. they both are the former, not the latter.

20 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:41:29 PST by ken21
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To: FISHHOG

But such impressive credentials are not proof in themselves that her intellect is anything but above-average.

I believe brunhillary is the ultimate example of the peter principle - in a hierarchy employees tend to rise to the level of their incompetence, combined with lawless blind ambition.

21 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:42:46 PST by mombonn
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To: FISHHOG

"I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had about day care, and all of a sudden there's this flapping at the window and it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

That was no seagull, that was Bill giving her the bird. She just couldn't see that well after Bill picked up the grapefruit and rubbed it in her face.

22 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:48:50 PST by James Gunn
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To: FISHHOG

Ohmygod! It was all a MYTH?!! More proof that some cosmic switch has been flipped: we are starting to see some worry from Athena's priests and priestesses.

23 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:50:39 PST by edskid
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To: Gecko

One should note that the only credentials somebody needs to be considered brilliant is a pundit declaring you to be so. ****

Right on and i agree. Gore is about as dumb as a box of rocks, and hitlery is stupid IMHO.

24 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:50:59 PST by FISHHOG
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To: Joe Montana

PIG indeed!! Hope were offending a real pig, ha ha ha ..

25 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:52:00 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

I read her valedictorian speech from her graduation at Wellsley. It was posted here a while back. IMHO this is not one of genius caliber but one of a brain-washed marxist using socialist rhetoric to map-out an incoherant vision for the future. Actually, I remember someone just describing her as an airhead - probably more to the point.

26 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:52:08 PST by martian622 (martial force@mars.net)
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To: FISHHOG

She looks like she has chased parked cars all her life.

She does look a little ragged now sitting in the baseball park with Ted Turner, but go back to "Barbarella" and she was HOT. I can't help thinking if I'd gotten to her in time, I could've straightened her out.

27 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:52:30 PST by MUDDOG (BIG_MUDDOG@yahoo.com)
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To: Owen_S

I agree and a flying monkey she be. Dorthy was a good person which hitlery is not.

28 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:53:25 PST by FISHHOG
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To: FISHHOG

This was a great article...when it was posted three months ago.

29 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:53:39 PST by pCahill
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To: FISHHOG

We know Hillary has a heart; her fierce mothering proves that.

Good mother's don't allow their daughters to be dragged out of college for a photo-op display to prop up their perverted fathers.

30 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:54:14 PST by FITZ
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To: MUDDOG

"Barbarella" ****

I have to admit your correct on her playing Barbarella. That was then but now she is an old wet witch. She should of been shot because of her trip to N Vietnam. Now like ya say ragged around her face.

31 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:56:19 PST by FISHHOG
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To: ken21

I agree with you.

32 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:57:22 PST by FISHHOG
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To: mrgolden

Ethyl Rosenberg was pretty hot too.

Old Sparky, wasn't it?

33 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:57:30 PST by MUDDOG (BIG_MUDDOG@yahoo.com)
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I didn't catch the whole exchange on Meet the Press, but one commentator suggested that Hillary or a member of her staff was blaming the Likud Party for what happened this week. So Hillary can now add the Likud Party to the vast right wing conspiracy. The only world class ability Hillary has is to be paranoid as she has demostrated time and time again.

34 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:58:20 PST by monocle
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To: FISHHOG

"I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning . . . "

I have a great deal of trouble believing even that. This is more likely a castration wish spoken aloud.

35 Posted on 11/14/1999 12:59:12 PST by Bars4Bill (WJC@Leavenworth.con)
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To: James Gunn

Funny.

36 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:00:41 PST by Joe Montana
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To: FISHHOG

There is no evidence for high intelligence level in Hillary. She just talks a lot in a world where incoherence is mistaken for complexity. The left wing schools turn out thousands just like her every June.

37 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:00:59 PST by RLK
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To: FISHHOG

Does anyone know? Does this virago worship the Goddess? I'm just curious.

38 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:01:27 PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: FISHHOG

The fact that Hillary has a law degree does not indicate high intelligence. As Thomas Sowell stated last week on book notes, when you observe the class break down of our institutions of higher education you will find that PhD's in the hard sciences are comprised of a disproportionate number of Aisians, Indians, Russians and Africans (not African American). The soft sciences such as psychology, sociology, political science and law are where you will find the Americans. His emphasis was on the myth that America is still the bastion of collegate eduaction, which he says we still build the best colleges but no longer attend or teach them.

39 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:02:29 PST by Paine's Ghost
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To: FISHHOG

Women are more astute in recognizing the bitch factor?

40 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:07:00 PST by cornelis
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To: HENRYADAMS

Does this virago worship the Goddess?

Early in the co-presidency, she seemed to be involved in some kind of psychic channeling with her talks to Eleanor Roosevelt. And there was all that "politics of meaning" stuff with her so-called guru, the former-60s radical editor of "Tikun."

Since the brouhaha over that, she seems to have toned it down, and sticks to her liberal Methodism, which arguably is still be a Christian denomination.

41 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:07:31 PST by MUDDOG (BIG_MUDDOG@yahoo.com)
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To: James Gunn

She lives in a dream world. Does anyone really think she knows how to cut up a grapefruit? Both Clintons constantly insult OUR intellegence by these cute fantasies and trying to portray themselves as "just folks."

42 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:09:47 PST by kaycee
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To: RLK

incoherence is mistaken for complexity

Bingo.

43 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:13:11 PST by Roy A. L. Dornoch
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To: FISHHOG

Lets face it. hillary is doing a good job. Kind of reminds one of the old saw :"When one thinks of you as an idiot, do not open your mouth and remove all doubt." The more she opens her mouth, the more she will be exposed as to what she really is.

44 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:14:15 PST by xrmusn
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To: FISHHOG

I was thinking more about the Wicked Witch of the West Wing, but I see your point. There IS a certain resemblance ....

Seriously, though, I see Carville as more of the flying monkey type. "Eeekeeekoookeeek Republicans!"

45 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:32:39 PST by Owen_S
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To: Paine's Ghost

Paine's Ghost: You wrote, quoting Thomas Sowell, that when you "look at class break downs in the hard sciences, you find that the PhD's are mostly made up of Asians,...Africans..., etc."

My youngest son (a white, Anglo) was admitted to his PhD program in Metallurgical Engineering as the "token" white, Anglo, male and was encouraged to follow this pursuit by an Egyptian professor who kept nagging him to go beyond the Master's Degree "to make his parents proud." Well, he did, and we are!

It is interesting that his brother, four years older, was in a predominently white, male class in Engineering school. 4 years later, my youngest had to compete HARD against women, minorities, and foreign students in Engineering School and had to remain for more schooling in order to find a job.

Most of his friends opted for the easier and more lucrative Business and Law degrees. America had better watch out, or we will not have many engineers and scientists in the next generation. And then what will happen to our Research & Development programs?

46 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:43:21 PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Owen_S

Not a bad article. The author's a bit off, though, with the Wizard of Oz metaphor. Instead of thinking of Hillary as Dorothy, perhaps a role featuring flying monkeys is more her forte....

You mean like this?

47 Posted on 11/14/1999 13:53:36 PST by Dan Day
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To: FISHHOG

"I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had about day care, ....

Ah yes, they do disgust, er.. discuss don't they. Everything except where bill's primary residence will be once they (thankfully) leave the WH.

48 Posted on 11/14/1999 14:01:59 PST by kattracks
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To: Owen_S

Instead of thinking of Hillary as Dorothy, perhaps a role featuring flying monkeys is more her forte....

49 Posted on 11/14/1999 14:32:04 PST by Nateman (IWishIwasHome!@FreeAmerica.gov)
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To: Dan Day

Bingo!

50 Posted on 11/14/1999 14:57:33 PST by Owen_S
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To: Nateman

Excellent!

51 Posted on 11/14/1999 14:57:51 PST by Owen_S
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To: FISHHOG

Schmuck is right!

The one issue that I put way behind me long ago was Hill's intelligence. I knew she was anything but brilliant. Then came "The First Partner" in which her school records prove that she was anything but brilliant. Only the brain dead fell for that one. Obviously the unintelligent Hillary assumed that most of America was in that state. Once again proving her to be behind the ball.

52 Posted on 11/14/1999 15:18:59 PST by Constitution1st
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To: Prism

"I was cutting Bill's grapefruit this morning, and we had the best idea we ever had about day care, and all of a sudden there's this flapping at the window and it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

What the hell is this supposed to imply?? A sign from God???

Possibly... on the other hand, it may have been a very strange seagull, or a very strange grapefruit.

53 Posted on 11/14/1999 15:34:51 PST by Grut
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To: FISHHOG

We know Hillary has a heart; her fierce mothering proves that...well, the judgement about Chelsea still has to be made; OJ was a national hero remember.

54 Posted on 11/14/1999 15:45:24 PST by RWG
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To: Prism

"all of a sudden there's this flapping at the window and it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

What the hell is this supposed to imply??

LOL......I wondered about that too.

55 Posted on 11/14/1999 17:08:06 PST by wills
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To: wills

I guess it means they forgot all about thier ingenious idea AND the grapefruit altogether and started trippin' on the seagull.

Airheads.

56 Posted on 11/14/1999 17:27:44 PST by Prism
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To: MUDDOG

I knew about Eleanor but was wondering about "The Goddess". (The little Neolithic Fat Lady.) I heard when she went to the virago conference in China they were all decorating a tree with the little figure. However,the article did not say she was involved in the tree caper. Any way thanks!

57 Posted on 11/14/1999 17:53:24 PST by HENRYADAMS
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To: Grut

"....it's a seagull - a seagull at our window!"

Could it have been Jonathan Livingston.......?

58 Posted on 11/14/1999 18:39:24 PST by wills
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To: monocle

"So many people confuse a good memory with intelligence...."

Thank you for posting this, monocle. I certainly agree with you. Anyone can appear intelligent if they can recite nearly everything they've read, at the appropriate moment. Innate high intelligence is demonstrated in the natural facile ability to analyze and understand, and in areas of ideas, reason, conduct, belief, and logic.

59 Posted on 11/14/1999 21:35:20 PST by wills
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To: Prism

"I guess it means they forgot all about thier ingenious idea AND the grapefruit altogether and started trippin' on the seagull."

ROTFL.

60 Posted on 11/14/1999 21:38:30 PST by wills
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To: mombonn

"....in a hierarchy employees tend to rise to the level of their incompetence...."

The ultimate example we've seen for the past two weeks, is Donald Trump.

61 Posted on 11/14/1999 21:49:09 PST by wills
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To: FISHHOG

"She (Fonda) should of been shot because of her trip to N Vietnam."

One of the most egregious displays of treason this century.

62 Posted on 11/14/1999 22:07:16 PST by wills
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To: HENRYADAMS

"Does this virago worship the Goddess?"

I don't know about that, but I do think this virago wants to be worshipped as a goddess.

63 Posted on 11/14/1999 22:16:06 PST by wills
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To: xrmusn

"Lets face it. hillary is doing a good job."

At what?? Oh, revealing her stupidity.

64 Posted on 11/14/1999 22:20:05 PST by wills
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To: wills

Now. now! She's turned $1,000 into 100,000 in pork futures overnight. Slandered the white house travel staff, destroyed evidence, ran a health care committee in violation of federal public information rules, illegally oversaw the downloading of over 1,000 FBI files, and God knows what else: she has not done one day in jail. Now that's brilliant!

65 Posted on 11/14/1999 22:31:48 PST by MsFreedumb99
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To: wills

If anyone wants to read about the "real" Hillary please read "Hell To Pay" by Barbara Olson.

66 Posted on 11/14/1999 22:33:56 PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

"If anyone wants to read about the "real" Hillary please read "Hell To Pay" by Barbara Olson."

Tomorrow....can't wait. Heard a lot about it.

67 Posted on 11/14/1999 23:05:30 PST by wills
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To: MsFreedumb99

"....she has not done one day in jail. Now that's brilliant!"

It is!

68 Posted on 11/14/1999 23:11:38 PST by wills
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To: Owen_S

dan

69 Posted on 11/14/1999 23:22:19 PST by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Prism

Where I live, seagulls like to attack garbage bags, tear them open, and feast on the gooey insides.

They'll pretty much go after anything rotten.

70 Posted on 11/14/1999 23:39:27 PST by Feddalyne
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

OH, that is PRICELESS! LMAO! Carville was BORN for the role of flying monkey-lackey!

71 Posted on 11/14/1999 23:42:32 PST by Feddalyne
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To: Bars4Bill

bill can't cut his own grapefruit??????

72 Posted on 01/13/2000 13:38:10 PST by liliana
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To: liliana

Whether Bubba cuts his own or has someone else do the slicing, the sooner it happens the better.

73 Posted on 01/13/2000 14:45:29 PST by Bars4Bill
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To: Bars4Bill

in other words bob it?

74 Posted on 01/13/2000 16:58:13 PST by liliana
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To: MUDDOG

she seemed to be involved in some kind of psychic channeling with her talks to Eleanor Roosevelt

IMHO, it was more likely Madame Mao, Jiang Qing (sp?)

75 Posted on 01/13/2000 17:05:37 PST by Fred Hayek
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