Barbara Bush says keep abortion off party platform
The Republican party's official platform has long called for a ban on all abortion, despite the 1973 Roe vs. Wade ruling from the Supreme Court legalizing the procedure.
Bush spoke in an interview with ABC's ``This Week,'' which was taped at the Houston home of the ex-first lady and former President George Bush -- parents of Republican presidential front-runner and Texas Gov. George W. Bush.
Laura Bush, wife of the governor, said, ``I think we should work together some way to try to reduce abortion.'' Speaking alongside her mother-in-law, Laura Bush said adoptions have doubled in Texas since 1997 because of her husband's efforts to streamline the process.
ABC said it was the two Bush wives' ``only interview together.''
Asked about recent questions from the media about her son's intellect, Barbara Bush insisted that he is ``very smart'' and said the controversy ``irritates'' her.
``I've seen him get into three tough schools and graduate ... and be a great success in business,'' Bush said.
``I'm going to tell you the truth, that irritates me a little because they are trying to lay a label on him that just is not true. George Bush is a very smart man. He has his dad's brains. That's the good news.''
Two points here:
"I believe in states rights."
If she believes that, then its imperative that Roe v. Wade be overturned and return the abortion issue back to the states. Roe v. Wade was a horrible, sweeping decision based on a fraudulent case.
There's nothing a president can do about it anyway, in all honesty.
Sure there is, Barbara Bush. Funds can be kept away from abortion providers. Pro-life judges can also be appointed. We can get certain portions of the abortion issue passed like ending partial-birth abortion and allowing parental consent. We're not saying that it will happen overnight but it is important to end the Clintonesque policies regarding infanticide.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
It's all in the family after all.
Nice to hear something salient from "Mommy"
while Daddy defends China and Clinton.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Another interesting, though small, tidbit which came out of that interview with Cokie, was that Laura is a strong supporter of the Natl Endowment for the Arts....guess that's another issue we should just forget about.....cause the Constitution doesn't matter.
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To: Rowdee
Laura is a strong supporter of the Natl Endowment for the Arts
Eeks. Did not know that.
Abolish the NEA (both of them)
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To: Askel5
I love Barbara but this is the one thing that has disappointed me in her.
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To: Askel5 sinkspur
If the Catholic Church can be confounded by the powers of Death, how much easier would be the elite (on "our" side of the aisle) of our utterly corrupt ruling class?
THE HATCH DEBACLE -- How the Human Life Bill of Hyde and Helms was Killed
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Sheesh. Very depressing. They're already telegraphing the 'moderate' campaign in the general. "There's nothing to be scared of! We're GOOD eunichs!"
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To: Rowdee
Neither do DEBATES ... when Laura's getting an award from SMU.
Beware.
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To: Rowdee
The only thing this interview proves is that Bar should stay in the kitchen, and Laura in the bedroom, and let Dubya run the country. If Clinton would have done this with Hillary back in the seventies, we'd all be better off.
File this one under "women".
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To: Lady in Blue ravingnutter wait4truth Big Ezy .... et al.
You know ... I've been WAITING for this! How PERFECT our own BARBARA Bush should bring it up!!
I told you George would not be forced to walk what they KNEW damned good and well were LOSING planks in the all-important, so-called "CLINTON" victories.
You guys better wake up BUT FAST. Wipe your misty eyes Ms. Lady in Blue and begin to explain for me WHY pro-choice is the WINNING ticket!
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To: Askel5
Barbara Bush is not running for President.
She didn't have any effect on abortion policy when she was first lady, either.
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To: ken from kalamazoo
File this one under "women".
Sorry ... this category's been filled by Bush's first DEBATE DODGE.
Try again Ken.
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To: sinkspur
Yep ... and the strangly public thoughts of Mrs. Bush, matriarch of the Bush Dynasty will NOT mark the beginning of the back-pedaling from defense of the pre-born child.
Care to bet, Sinkspur?
No one (save your average leftist idealogue) understands better than the Bush crowd how IMPORTANT is dialogue and COMPROMISE on crucial "black and white ... until we constructed a grey area" issues such as abortion.
Mark my words. You'll be pro-choice before it's all over if you're backing Bush.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
America's aristocracy, the Bush's, Whitmans, Rockefellers, DuPonts, etc., have long regarded childbearing in the same way as horse-breeding. Not surprising given the looks of their women.
So, who's shocked that the Queen Mum of the two-party establishment is a not-so-secret eugenicist like that oh-so-sensible Margaret Sanger?
Bushies, please spare us the nonsense about Duh-byuh being genuinely "pro-life." He ain't. Mommy ain't. Daddy ain't. And dear old Grampa Prescott and his war-time trading buddies at Farben sure-as-heck wasn't. Does pro-life mean something in Tejas the rest of us don't understand?
Pat Buchanan will be the ONLY pro-life candidate in 2000. The only candidate who will explain WHY he's pro-life without some stumbling "Jesus-hit-me-over-the-head answer." It's in the breeding, you know.
GO PAT GO REFORM TO VICTORY!
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To: Askel5
BB , it isn't a big secret that Nancy Reagan is pro-choice and Ronnie is regarded as the greatest pro-life president in history. What's your point here.
So his mother is pro-choice. That isn't a big secret either.
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To: Askel5
Care to bet, Sinkspur?
Sure, I'll bet.
Did President Bush change his position on abortion when Barbara revealed to an interviewer that she was pro-choice?
GWB is pro-life, will remain pro-life, and will appoint judges that will interpret the Constitution strictly. I take that to mean that they will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Calm down. You're hyperventilating.
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To: Bold Fenian
You need serious professional help boy.
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To: Bold Fenian
BUMP!!!!
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To: ken from kalamazoo
Slight problem......you may keep the mother in the kitchen and the wife in the bedroom...the President sleeps with his wife (at least decent ones do)....
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To: Bold Fenian
Pat Buchanan will be the ONLY pro-life candidate in 2000.
A pro-life candidate in a pro-choice party. With a co-chair that even believes in partial-birth abortion. Yep, Pat hangs with some principled folks.
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To: sinkspur
Not hyperventilating, Sinkspur ... even when responding to Freedom Wins.
What does bug the hell out of me is the way you guys glom onto Bush like -- because of his name recognition or his ready connections to the best and the brightest of the "Reagan Administration" or his sinecure as governor of Texas -- he's our ONLY hope to win this nomination and BEST choice for the job.
Then ... as soon as his dad defends China and Clinton or his venerated Mom voices her compassionate abandonment of the pre-born for political purposes ... you guys hail this as equally intelligent moves on our part to hopelessly dilute ourselves in order to win.
I don't get it.
Maybe from now on, we should look for candidates whose ties do not stretch nearly the entire length and breadth of the Cultural War (which we have lost, by the way).
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To: sinkspur
At least Buchanan's not RELATED to Fulani.
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To: Askel5
I sure hate it when you hit the sauce so early in the day. Your ridiculous histrionics are disconcerting. Barbara Bush has always been pro-choice. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything - except in your delusional mind.
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To: Freedom Wins
You Bushies need an honest, intelligent and genuinely pro-life candidate instead of the lying, waffling, Peter-principled, party boy known affectionately from this moment on as THE SULTAN OF SMIRK.
P.S. You need some help responding to the substance of my post: ie. the blue-bloods are bloodthirsty gangsters who don't give a whit about us "little people", in or out of the womb.
Shill.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
LISTEN UP PUBBIES.
JUST KEEP YOUR STINKING MOUTH'S SHUT WHEN IT COME TO ABORTION.
ALL THIS HOWLING ABOUT A WOMAN'S CHOICE IS HURTING MY BOY'S CHANCES AT THE BRASS RING.
I'VE BEEN AMERICA'S FIRST LADY, AND NOW IF Y'ALL DON'T F**K THINGS UP, I'LL BE THE "FIRST MOTHER."
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To: Freedom Wins
I guess my point is that she should have broken a champagne bottle on her livefeed as she christened the muddling of principle for political purposes.
You guys heap no end of abuse on Buchanan for his picking among the minefields of association to promote a political ideal but ... when it comes to the Bush Family using their face time to assuage Democrat doubts that their kids are savvy enough to befriend the Chicoms, "understand" the unfairness of Clinton's treatment and tread the "pro-conscience" plank on which we exterminate our pre-born children by the millions ... you cave.
Do you get a gold ring for your nose with your "individual" contribution to the Bush campaign?
You see, the reason I never quibble with Keyes is that HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH. Pure, unadulterated, uncompromising and crystal clear TRUTH. He has no baggage, no celebrity family members out to "SEND A MESSAGE" ... as IF we had to "read their lips" to the see the writing on the wall.
Wake Up, Freedom Wins ... wake up!!
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To: Wait4Truth
I sure hate it when you hit the sauce so early in the day. Your ridiculous histrionics are disconcerting. Barbara Bush has always been pro-choice. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything - except in your delusional mind.
The only thing I hit early this morning were most, if not all, of the high notes for the soprano section at Mass.
Leave the name-calling to Freedom Wins, why don't you?
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To: sinkspur
Welcome to Ethics 101. Problem #1: Which is preferable, a genuinely pro-life candidate at the head of a party without an abortion plank, or a moronic princeling without principle who can't and won't read his party's old pro-life platform?
Spin. Spin. Spin.
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To: Bold Fenian
Pat Buchanan will be the ONLY pro-life candidate in 2000
Don't forget about the Howard Phillips/Joseph Sobran ticket from the pro-life Constitution Party.
In the meantime, I'll keep supporting Alan Keyes in the primaries. Good luck with your candidate.
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To: Askel5
What does bug the hell out of me is the way you guys glom onto Bush like --
I would say you have a psychological problem if you get so irritated at people who don't support candidates you do. In fact, you'll probably stay "bugged" most of the 2000.
Then ... as soon as his dad defends China and Clinton or his venerated Mom voices her compassionate abandonment of the pre-born for political purposes ... you guys hail this as equally intelligent moves on our part to hopelessly dilute ourselves in order to win.
My mother and dad were Democrats. If I had run for president, you would say I was a Democrat.
You're not making any sense.
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To: Bold Fenian
"THE SULTAN OF SMIRK."
Is that your line? It's priceless.
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To: Peasant
Barbara Bush has always been pro-choice, and George never had an opinion one way or another until he saw he could suck in the pro-life vote by pretending to cater to you people. This isn't new.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Thanks. Best of luck to Dr. Keyes in the primaries. He's the only remaining reason to pay any attention to the whole sordid charade. I hope we see you with Pat and Reform after Bush's GOP coronation.
Regards,
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To: sinkspur
You are unbeleiveable! Abortionist!
Tell us how proud you are of gwb and his two women folk supporting abortion. Tell us how proud you are of gwb signing the bill naming a texas highway after a murdering butcher abortion doctor. Tell us now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
momma bush just gave us a sneak preview of jr's stand on abortion. One would think she is the one running for president. She sucks!!!!!!!!!! Beltway billy has hiliary running the show and momma bush is running the show for junior.
This guy and his corrupt family is a joke!
GO PAT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: sinkspur
"My mother and dad were Democrats. If I had run for president, you would say I was a Democrat."
Look, people might believe that Shrubby was his own man with his own mind and his own convictions if he displayed ANY indication it was so.
His track record to date is that there's no THERE there, and that he has to rely on the resources, the intelligence, the learning, and the convictions of others to even muck by as poorly as he has to date.
So why should anyone think that in this instance he is different?
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To: sinkspur
If you were running for President as a REPUBLICAN, I doubt very seriously that you'd want your Democrat parents spouting off to the media. (Particularly if your democrat parents were former President and First Lady and could command at least the face-time and BIPARTISAN respect that you could.) Bad example, Sinkspur.
This is more along the lines of a Newt Gringich whose sister gets to stump and hang out in Hollywood sit-coms.
FORMER PRESIDENT President George has given us the Hillary intern treatment on ChiComs ("if there were anything discovered awry at Los Alamos ... yes, that would be a bad thing"), defended Clinton (and the press, in a backhanded sort of way). FORMER FIRST LADY Barbara Bush is speaking out about her pro-abortion views.
WHERE WAS BARBARA's public airing of her individual conscience back when the party walked the plank (lest they win or something)?
This does not bode well ... for the unborn, anyway. BUSH2000 is looking better all the time, though. God help us.
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To: Bold Fenian
AMEN!!!!!! BUMP!!!!
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!
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To: Please Release Me
Thanks. "THE SULTAN OF SMIRK" is, indeed, my line. And we'll be hearing a lot more of it as the young pasha parades more and more of his real positions before adoring "moderates" and betrayed conservatives. Of course, THE SULTAN OF SLOUCH might work as well.
All the Best,
GO PAT GO REFORM TO VICTORY.
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To: Please Release Me
Aren't you a Clinton supporter?
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To: Bethanie
Thanks Bethanie ... most Bushies don't seem to realize that Bush IS ONLY PRETENDING. About time someone understood the real import of SB-30 ... even if you are AWOL from the Margaret Sanger Romper Room.
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To: sinkspur
Think of something suitable for the winner ...
I maintain Bush WILL NOT walk our pro-life plank as nailed down at present.
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To: Jethro Tull
This stupid bush family are showing us TRUE IGNORANCE. Funny but sad how many people(RINO"S) have been hoodwinked by this scum. And they are scum!!!!!!!
BUMP!!!!!!!!
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: sinkspur
She didn't have any effect on abortion policy when she was first lady, either.
Glad to see you admit that Souter was entirely Dubya Sr's choice..
If Dubya Sr. ain't pro abortion then his supreme court nominee sure is.
Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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To: sinkspur
GWB is pro-life
Is that why he chose Souter for the supreme court?
Or is Dubya's too dumb to know where a nominee stands?
I think it was "Don't ask don't tell."
That seems very Dubya and Clinton like.
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To: Common Tator
Ronald Reagan appointed Sandra Day O'Connor, who is not reliably pro-life, nor was Anthony Kennedy on the WEBSTER decision.
By your measure, should Reagan be condemned as well?
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To: Askel5
Wake Up, Freedom Wins ... wake up!!
Wake Up, Freedom ( to kill your unborn baby ) Wins ... wake up!!
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To: sinkspur
A pro-life candidate in a pro-choice party
Sink thinks that is real bad
Sink thinks it is much better to have
A pro-choice candidate in a pro-life party
If you had a brain sink you could be dangerous.
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To: Bold Fenian, Aske15, CounterCounterCulture
I was out picketing an abortion clinic yesterday with about 25 others. Afterwards, the topic of Bush came up.
When informed that Bush had named a highway after an abortionist, these folks were sickened.
In the past, these were the folks that always held their noses and voted for Dole and Bush. This year it seems, they will not be holding their noses. This year, they will not be voting for Bush.
And a reminder to you snearing country club types, these are the folks who have pass out thousands of sample ballots, man the phone banks. and pass out the GOP literature. Things will be different this year.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Former first lady Barbara Bush said Sunday there was nothing any president could do about abortion and that the volatile issue should not be part of the presidential campaign.
If you won't take a stand on important issues, then you stand for nothing.
``I'm going to tell you the truth, that irritates me a little because they are trying to lay a label on him that just is not true. George Bush is a very smart man. He has his dad's brains. That's the good news.''
So what's the bad news. I'll tell you. He may have his dad's brains. But he doesn't have his dad's experience. He hasn't spent two terms in Congress. He hasn't spent two terms as the Vice-President. He hasn't served a term as the CIA Director. And he wasn't the ambassador to China.
There will be those who state that some of these positions are actually worrysome, not a bonus. I'd probably agree with you on a couple of them. But the point is, the younger Bush does not have the national or international experience to grasp what a person needs to know to be considered for the Presidency. And beyond that, his own personal comments confirm my uneasyness on this issue.
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To: Common Tator
Bush is pro-life in a pro-life party.
Buchanan is pro-life in a pro-choice party.
What about Reagan's Supreme Court appointees? You going to condemn him because he nominated TWO who don't always support pro-life positions?
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To: All
The Bushes have masqueraded as rightwingers for years. Remember when Bush was pro-choice and then "evolved" into a pro-lifer to fit the Reagan ticket? Statements like this by his wife go a long way toward proving that his "change of heart" was fake. The country club Republicans could care less about whether those "beneath them" abort their children.
This is why we need to discard those centrists in the party that move us down the incrimintal path.
By the way, does Ms. Bush get a royalty from Quaker oats for their use of her picture on the boxes?
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To: sinkspur
By your measure, should Reagan be condemned as well?
Reagan did not have a Republican senate to approve kennedy. Remember Kennedy was the second choice after they Borked, Bork. Was Bork pro choice? There was no way for Reagan to get a pro choice passed.
Duba had a Pubie senate to approve and still chose a an abortionist.
I have to admit it Sink, supporting the killing of unborn babies is what you do best.
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To: LACUMO
Dubya and his family are elitist trash.
His supporters are lower than whale siht...
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To: sinkspur
By your measure, should Reagan be condemned as well?
Reagan did not have a Republican senate to approve kennedy. Remember Kennedy was the second choice after they Borked, Bork. Was Bork pro choice? There was no way for Reagan to get a pro choice passed.
Duba had a Pubie senate to approve and still chose a an abortionist.
I have to admit it Sink, supporting the killing of unborn babies is what you do best.
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To: ProtectRUnborn, GKBelloc, usvotz, ServesURight, Mass Exodus, Jackie222
The Bush camp is laying the groundwork for stabbing the pro-lifers in the back.
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To: Askel5
"Mark my words. You'll be pro-choice before it's all over if you're backing Bush."
Maybe even for states rights too Heaven forbid!!!!!!!
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To: Jethro Tull
BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!
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To: Bold Fenian
Pat Buchanan will be the ONLY pro-life candidate in 2000. The only candidate who will explain WHY he's pro-life without some stumbling "Jesus-hit-me-over-the-head answer."
Is this based on the large family he's raised?
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Finally! Some common sense.
Barbara Bush For President!
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To: sinkspur
"A pro-life candidate in a pro-choice party. With a co-chair that even believes in partial-birth abortion. Yep, Pat hangs with some principled folks."
And if enough of those gay votes he asked for come through...who knows?
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To: Askel5
Thanks Bethanie ... most Bushies don't seem to realize that Bush IS ONLY PRETENDING. About time someone understood the real import of SB-30 ... even if you are AWOL from the Margaret Sanger Romper Room.
You are quite welcome, although if you continue to say that because I am pro-choice I am a disciple of Sanger I will be forced to say that because you are anti-abortion you are a disciple of Hitler, who said German women had a duty to reproduce and then outlawed abortion.
Actually, the very fact that George W. was born should be enough to convert you to the pro-choice side.
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To: Askel5
"You see, the reason I never quibble with Keyes is that HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH."
For that matter, he and Bush differ on abortion only in that Bush would also agree to it for rape and incest. On the point of saving the life of the mother they both agree.
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To: Common Tator
Reagan did not have a Republican senate to approve kennedy.
Did Bush have a Republican Senate when Souter was nominated?
Duba had a Pubie senate to approve and still chose a an abortionist.
George Bush NEVER had a Republican majority in Congress.
I have to admit it Sink, supporting the killing of unborn babies is what you do best.
Since you didn't know "Duba" (whoever that is) didn't have a Republican Senate, your judgment about my pro-life credentials can't be taken seriously either.
I'm as pro-life as you. In fact, unlike Alan Keyes, I don't believe abortion should be allowed under ANY circumstances, including to save the life of the mother.
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To: jawlaw and bethanie
You're correct about Bush Sr. becoming pro-life to fit with the Reagan ticket. In the '92 election a friend of mine, a major contributor to the Republican party, decided to vote for Clinton because he is pro-choice. No more large contributions for the Pubbies. Barbara Bush, a friend of hers, called to convince her that things weren't as they seemed about Bush's pro-life stance.
So many of these candidates tell you what they think you want to know. And so many of you fall for it.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Like mother, like son.
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To: Askel5
"I maintain Bush WILL NOT walk our pro-life plank as nailed down at present."
Not if he's smart.....
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To: Pamela
Barbara Bush, a friend of hers, called to convince her that things weren't as they seemed about Bush's pro-life stance.
Who is your friend?
Anyone can come here and say anything. And, you're not exactly a household name on this forum, as of yet.
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To: sinkspur
Aren't you a clinton supporter?
Aren't you a gwb supporter? And he supports abortion and signed a bill honoring a murdering butcher abortion doctor by naming a texas highway after this DEVIL. Now tell us how proud you are of him for signing this bill. Tell us now.
Come on all you pro-life supporters. get on here and ask slinkspur the same question. He's just like the bushes and is the biggest RINO on Free Republic. This man loves money more than life, as do many others on here.
Shame on us if we let this issue die on Free Republic and let all the RINO gwb lovers tell us otherwise. I do not want to see the DEVIL bush get elected. It won't help the poor unborn children if he does.
After momma bush's pro abortion statement today, all of us need to e-mail,write, or call Alan Keyes and tell him it is time to leave this abortion party(gopU) and join Pat Buchanan now.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: LACUMO
This stupid bush family are showing us TRUE IGNORANCE. Funny but sad how many people(RINO"S) have been hoodwinked by this scum. And they are scum!!!!!!!
Do you really think Powell, Schwartzcof and the Vets of Desert Storm feel hoodwinked?
Do they think the former Commander in Chief is scum?
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Barbara Bush says keep abortion off party platform
Translation: "I am much more concerned about my son's candacy that the lives of millions of children, and if this is the way for him to "win" then I say just clam up and give the baby killers all the protection they need. Always remember, you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet"
I wonder, if those aborted children could give us their impression of "winning" at any cost....what would they say?
Some things are just so moraly abhorent that they can never be comprimise issues. Endorsing the murder of a baby is indeed a litimus test. It cannot be rationalized or justified except to those that are so corrupt as to be willing to trade the life of another to further their own career.
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To: DoughtyOne
"But he doesn't have his dad's experience."
So if experience is the issue of import, who will you be voting for? Gore, Bradley, Hatch or McCain?
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To: dons
If you are refering to pappa bush, yes I do. He has alot of skeletons in his closet. He helped coverup for his son Neal when he looted the Silverado Savings & Loan of over a million dollars which we get to pay back. He stopped short of wiping out sadam hussein, and he used his favorite organization U.N. to fight desert storm which wasn't our war. He definitely is scum like the whole damn family.
YES!!!!!!!! HE IS SCUM!!!!!!
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To: dons
My, my, my. Planned Parenthood Kills, Askel5 and all their little buddies certainly have become shrill over nothing today, haven't they? The way they jump on absolutley anything is laughable. My mother is pro-choice, I am pro-life. So, what the hell does that mean? This is another non-story. Barbara Bush has ALWAYS been pro-choice. People here are acting like this is some big news alert. I wish they'd get a real life.
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To: LACUMO
I do not want to see the DEVIL bush get elected.
LACUMO Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest!
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To: sinkspur
Guh? Aaaahhhh? Somebody please let me out of place! Weird scenes inside the goldmine indeed. Mr.Bush will not even say during the primaries that he would appoint pro-life justices. Just some fuzzy rhetoric about, well something or other, I mean (head bobbing up down furiously), how 'bout them Cowboys!
If he's this squishy now, just wait til the general. Long live the dynasty!
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To: PlannedParenthoodKills
"This year, they will not be voting for Bush."
Considering that about 15% of the voting public shares your "absolute posture" on abortion, and some of them are Democrats, the women's vote he gaining along with some minorities should more than make up for the shortfall you predict.
Curious, who's maning the phones and passing out literature while you're out picketing?
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To: Wait4Truth
If it was your ass that was going to be aborted, you sure as hell would want someone to stand up for your right to be born instead of being murdered. Wouldn't you? Are you proud of gwb signing the bill that honored a murdering butcher abortion doctor? YES? or NO?
I wish they'd get a real life.
Your statement just proves how insensitive you are about life period. To you, life is cheap! Everyone can see this!
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: Askel5
So what you are saying is you are opposed to the US Constitution. After all, the Constitution states that all powers not specifically given in the Constitution are to reside with the states. Since the Constitution does not mention abortion as an area of federal concern, it means that issue shoud be decided by the individual states.
By making it a federal issue, you are stating that the Constitution no longer matters.
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To: Bethanie
"you are anti-abortion you are a disciple of Hitler, who said German women had a duty to reproduce and then outlawed abortion."
You go girl.
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To: Pamela
"You're correct about Bush Sr. becoming pro-life"
Before that he was anti-life?
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To: Askel5
Not that from your perspective that you should care, but how many centrist swing voters, including Pubbies, do you think Bush would lose to Gore if he came across as a hard line scorch the earth pro lifer? Not that it would push me over the edge (although I would dislike it), but then I'm pretty partisan and have other issues I care about. But my mother and most of my relatives would abandon Bush if he came across that way, and I don't think they are atypical.
Politics is about building realistic coalitions. You can call those that fashion them sell outs and empty shells, but our political process wouldn't work very well without leaders that can effectively do that.
I know, I know, at FR "compromise" is a dirty word. Whatever.
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To: dons
"you are anti-abortion you are a disciple of Hitler, who said German women had a duty to reproduce and then outlawed abortion."
You go girl.
Politics make for strange bedfellows, don't they?
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To: Jhoffa_
Can you translate this for us?
``I believe in states rights. I don't think (abortion) should be in the national platform,'' Bush said.
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To: McGavin999
It was the freakin federal judges(supreme court) who has stuck their freakin 2 cents in and ruled that anti abortion laws were unconstitutional. So it is a federal matter you see.
Don't tell me that this isn't true. We had the strongest and best anti- abortion law in the land in Pennsylvania and the freakin whore bastards ruled it unconstutional.
Says a lot for states rights, huh? You supporters of legal murder will be burning in hell some day. Enjoy the good life here and now, but just remember we can't ever escape death and taxes.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: sinkspur
"Aren't you a Clinton supporter?"
No. Never have been.
Is Clinton running? Or are you just trying to divert attention from the illogic of your crown putz?
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To: Askel5
There you go again. Running off at the mouth slinging crap in all directions and I bet you didn't even watch the interview.
Show me where Barbara Bush said she was pro-choice. Now don't give me all the usual insane rants about how she said she doesn't think the abortion issue should be in a Presdential race and so you assume she's pro-choice. SHOW ME WHERE SHE SAID SHE WAS PRO-CHOICE OR IMPLIED THAT SHE WAS.
She said in the interview that abortion should be a States Rights issue and turned back over to the states where it belongs. Well I have said the samething and I am not pro-choice except when the mother's life is an issue. In order to end abortion Roe vs Wade must first be overturned or a state law must be written that will pass court muster.
If GW Bush does as he has said he will he will select Justices that both understand the Constitution and rule according to whether a law is Constitutional or not. Governor Bush has said he will try to appoint justices in the Clarence Thomas mold,not a bad mold to choose from. Bush has said as soon as a partial birth abortion ban hits his desk he will sign it.
At that point we know the law will be challanged and if by then the right Justices have been appointed it will have a good chance of being overturned and RETURNED TO THE STATES where it belongs and NEVER should have left in the first place. Abortion is a States Right issue and not a Federal one.
Barbara Bush by saying it should be kept out of POLITICS on the national level and returned to the STATES is saying more about pro-life then all of the over-inflated airheads who really IMO don't understand how abortion is going to be defeated. It won't be by slogans,rants or bashing but by out smarting the Democrats and socialist who will fight this to the ends of the earth.
Really I would have expected someone as smart as you are to be able to tell the difference between what GW Bush says and his mother. Watch the interview or get a transcript then you might be better equipted to make a judgement on what Barbara Bush was trying to say. Oh,and say it don't spray it. Women!!! :)
Have A Great Holiday.
I'm out to eat for awhile.
BE
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To: DoughtyOne
"the younger Bush "
The sad part is that this man is old enough to belong to AARP and he still is trying to sell himself as a kid.
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To: Torie
Politics is about building realistic coalitions.
It is not.
At FR, it is about being right!
GWB has satisfied every major pro-life organization in America that he is pro-life, but that doesn't matter.
Unless you are "of God," you are pro-abortion.
Those who are "of God" have, and will, let you know!
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"George Bush is a very smart man. He has his dad's brains. That's the good news.'' "
OK OK....I have NOT read this whole thread, so undoubtedly another 20 people already latched onto this....but......
Usually the sentence "That's the good news" is followed by "Now, for the bad news". So, Barb, what is it?
By the way, as much as I agree with her point about States' rights, to imply that "nothing" can be done about abortion on a national level is absurd. Methinks that Barbara, much as we all lover 'er, should stick to ghost-writing books with Millie (or whoever the current mutt is), promoting reading, or other such things.
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To: McGavin999
Nail on the head. Certain people on this forum crowed on and on about the inviolability of the Constitution during the past 2 years. Nice people did not call them on their contradictory stand towards abortion. Well, folks, here it is.
Abortion (in all of its forms) is not a matter for the Federal Government. That is what makes Roe such bad law in the first place. Fight for your values, please, but not one word in the Constitution could even be loosely interpreted as having to do with abortion.
Now watch all the strict constructionists start interpreting......
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To: Torie
Torie! You said realistic.
You know better than that. FR is practically Field of Dreams. ROFL.
Reality need not apply. Neither should common sense.
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To: Wait4Truth
"I wish they'd get a real life."
A one track mind and obstinate positions are their life.
Of course the whole language of pro-abortion, pro-life, anti abortion, pro-choice has become untenable anyway. Both extremes have trivialized it to the point where the words are almost meaningless for most voters.
For example: If Bush is against abortion except to save the life of the mother he's a butcher and a murderer and the whole family is scum. If Alan Keyes or Forbes takes the same position it's called pro-life. Go figure?
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To: sinkspur
Sounds like you are an atheist sinkspurt? Are you? They support legal murder and are proud of abortion supporting gwb just like you are. Probably proud that he named this highway after the murdering butcher abortion doctor just like you are. Just like you are!!!!!!
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: Peasant
"Just some fuzzy rhetoric about, well something or other"
I can certainly see why you would think that the appointment of judges who would uphold the Constitution would be fuzzy.
It is for many Americans, presuming of course you are American?
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To: dons
Can you translate this for us? ``I believe in states rights. I don't think (abortion) should be in the national platform,'' Bush said.
Uh..you omitted part of the sentence. (the part where we are supposed to throw our collective hands in the air and contimue killing babies because the "law is there". Nothing can be done.. We have a law, oh well.)
And since when should a Federal Law that allows the for profit killing of millions of children a year be off limits for the Republican Party, or any party for that matter?
It shouldn't. It's a Federal Decision that affects the entire nation. It belongs in the National Platform.
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To: LACUMO
I don't answer you, remember?
Not until you can go to the bathroom by yourself.
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To: LACUMO
I've never said this before on this or any other forum about anyone, but not to put too fine a point on it, you are a raving asshole.
Enough is enough.
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To: Big Ezy
From NARAL and Kate Michelman
begin excerpt……….
"It was George W. Bush who said, I will do everything in my power to restrict abortions"end excerpt……….The 2000 presidential campaign has begun and the stakes are high. The next President will likely nominate justices to the Supreme Court and the House and Senate may still be controlled by anti-choice majorities, making the presidency the last line of defense in support of Roe v. Wade. GOP frontrunner George W. Bush has adopted a strategy of evasion on choice in order to appear moderate to America's electorate. In reality, he is staunchly anti-choice. NARAL has launched a public education campaign to bring his real views out of hiding. We simply cannot afford to be taken in by anti-choice candidates who hide their position on the campaign trail, but who, once elected, will do everything in their power to restrict abortion.
- NARAL President Kate Michelman
George W. Bush Position on Choice
- Supports a constitutional amendment to ban abortion. 1
- Opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or when the woman's life is endangered. 2
- Supports laws requiring parental consent before a minor can obtain an abortion. 3
- Supports unnecessary waiting periods before a woman can obtain an abortion. 4
- Has signed 18 anti-choice bills as Governor of Texas.
George W. Bush Statements on Choice"I do not like abortions. I will do everything in my power to restrict abortions."
The Dallas Morning News, 10/22/94"America is not ready to overturn Roe v. Wade because America's hearts are not right."
The Associated Press, 3/8/99"I think the Republican party ought to maintain its pro-life tenor."
Exploratory Committee Announcement, 3/7/99"I think it's very important for the Republican Party to be viewed as the pro-life party."
Austin American-Statesman, 6/12/96"I personally believe there is life, and therefore take the position I take."
The Associated Press, 3/8/99"There are a lot of Americans who don't view the abortion issue as a matter of life. I do. That's one reason why I'm a pro-life person."
The Associated Press, 3/8/99"Does that mean, if it were up to him, that all abortions would be constitutionally banned? Yes, replied the governor, except for circumstances threatening the life of the mother, rape or incest. That applies to all three trimesters? 'Right,' he said."
The Associated Press, 3/8/99"I'm a realistic enough person to know that America is not ready to ban abortions. America as a country is not prepared to send a message to senators and House members that we want you to do this -- we want you to amend the Constitution."
The Associated Press, 3/8/99
Conservative Statements of Support"Bush is not soft on abortion. He is a good pro-life candidate," Darla St. Martin, Associate Director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Washington Post, 5/23/99"Governor Bush has a pro-life record and has taken a pro-life position," said David O'Steen, Executive Director of the National Right to Life Committee.
Fort Worth Star-Telegram, 3/17/99Bush is "profoundly on the pro-life side...I'm not going to take issue with a few words," said Pat Robertson, Founder of the Christian Coalition.
The San Francisco Chronicle, 3/13/99"In a way, he was savvy about it. He chose some pro-life issues that are fairly well accepted by the general public. That's just smart politics. I don't criticize him for that," said Bill Price, President of Texans United for Life.
Houston Chronicle, 11/8/98
Judge George W. Bush Not by His Words, But by His ActionsBush has said he wants to reduce abortion. Yet, as Governor, he has offered no leadership toward this end. He has done nothing to address the causes of unintended pregnancy; he has only offered restrictions on access to abortion for women already facing crisis pregnancies.
With the end of the 1999 Texas State Legislative session, Bush will have signed into law 16 separate anti-choice measures, including:
- Texas' first parental involvement law;
- Texas' first waiting period;
- onerous regulations that single out abortion clinics for mandatory government oversight and control;
- a law prohibiting family planning funding for organizations that offer abortion services;
- a law prohibiting publicly funded attorneys from assisting poor women in exercising their constitutional right to choose; and
- a law prohibiting family planning funding to dispense prescription contraceptives to minors without parental consent.
Bush has offered no preventative policy initiatives to reduce unintended pregnancy and the need for abortion-no expansion of family planning funding and services, no insurance coverage of contraceptives, and no comprehensive sexuality education program. In short, George W. Bush offers no leadership that would achieve the goal he set for himself.
George W. Bush Is Anti-Choice
George W. Bush is trying to position himself in the middle on abortion rights, but we know where he really stands. Bush opposes a woman's right to choose - and would make abortion illegal throughout pregnancy except in cases of rape, incest or when the woman's life is endangered.
A candidate's position on the freedom to choose reveals much more about that candidate than his or her views on abortion. It shows us whether he or she values the lives of women, respects their autonomy and trusts their judgment. It shows us whether healthy families will be a priority. And, it shows us whether we can reach a truce in the abortion wars - and work together to make abortion less necessary, not more difficult or burdensome to obtain.
NOTES
1 The Associated Press, 3/8/99
2 The Associated Press, 3/8/99
3 Abortion Report, 10/11/94
4 1998 Texas Gubernatorial National Political Awareness Test, Project Vote Smart
I guess Kate and NARAL shouldn’t be worried after all……They can now turn their attention to the organizing work of getting their members registered to vote in the upcoming Reform Party nomination beginning July 4, 2000.
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To: LACUMO
If it was your ass that was going to be aborted, you sure as hell would want someone to stand up for your right to be born....
So what your saying is, you wouldn't stand up for the life of your mother? Geeeez and you call the Bush's scum ROFLMAO
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To: LACUMO
You supporters of legal murder will be burning in hell some day.
Look, I don't even know who you are, and you certainly don't know me. I am totally against abortion, but I am familiar enough with the foundations of this country to know and understand the Constitution. It's a little document you should read sometime. The only way Roe v. Wade with be reversed is if a state passes an anti-abortion law and someone challanges it. Once it gets to the Supremes there is an opportunity to have it declared Constitutional for the states to ban abortion. Barring that, the only way to make abortion illegal is to propose a Constitutional amendment, have it ratified by EACH STATE. You are yammering on and on about abortion but you don't seem to be willing to do anything about it.
As far as I'm concerned you would rather have an issue to fight about and make yourself feel superior than to stop the murder of all those innocent babies.
The reason Buchanan will never win is because his followers are so hateful. Now I know where the dems came up with the term "mean spirited".
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To: RightOnline
If it pissis some of the idiots on this thread off, Ihope he is pro abortion just so you will have something to bitch about for 8yrs!!!!!!
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To: LACUMO
They support legal murder <------ That's an oxymoron.
But then again, I consider the source.
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To: cksharks
Ummmmm......ok. :)
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To: dons
Where did I say anything about anyones life of their mother? I said If you were going to be aborted, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for your right to be born. Your reply is utterly bullshit. Your little shell game won't work with me. Go back and read it again and if you have trouble reading it, ask someone on here to read it along with you and have them explain it for you and to you.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: Jhoffa_
Uh..you omitted part of the sentence.
So are you going to interpret what she meant by states right s?
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To: sinkspur
Up to almost 200k of bandwidth here, yet ABC makes no mention of the abortion issue ABC_Cokie in their article about the interview.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Let's keep Barbara off the Platform. We don't need another Somalia!!!!
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To: dons
So are you going to interpret what she meant by states right s?
Well, someone needs to. Because she didn't come right out and say it herself.
The only thing she did say was that she dosen't think baby killing should be mentioned in the national Republican platform and that there is nothing a President can do about it anyway.
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To: cksharks
"If it pissis some of the idiots on this thread off, Ihope he is pro abortion just so you will have something to bitch about for 8yrs!!!!!!
I see your ticker is doing well my friend....ROFLMAO
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To: dons
Just trying to keep them on their toes Smart :-))
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To: dons
By the way yesterday was my one anniversary for getting a new ticker.
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To: Jhoffa_
The only thing she did say was that she dosen't think baby killing should be mentioned in the national Republican platform and that there is nothing a President can do about it anyway.
Do you disagree that abortion should be a state issue, as it was prior to 1973?
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To: sinkspur
"Did President Bush change his position on abortion when Barbara revealed to an interviewer that she was pro-choice?"
That comment was made AFTER they had vacated the WH.
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To: LACUMO
"Where did I say anything about anyones life of their mother?"
You didn't. I'm sorry. I'll try to go slower and not require that you make any big mental leaps.
Lacumo:"I said If you were going to be aborted, wouldn't you want someone to stand up for your right to be born."
That's what you said alright yep yep. Now, hang with me, it won't hurt I promise. Imagine that the reason you (not me, because I know what decision I'd make)were going to have to be aborted and the reason was such that you were killing your mother by sharing her body.(Toxemia?)
Now, what I'm asking is would you stand up for the life of you mother? It's a zero sum situation (you know what that is right? Sure,I knew you could.) Who lives?
Are you going to dismiss your mother so easily as you imply? Are your father and siblings murder/butchers because they choose the life of the mom over you? "Your reply is utterly bullshit. Your little shell game won't work with me."
BS-Shell game? I changed the subject from me to you. Of course I can see where being you must be a challange....what having to make real life decision about the life of your mother and all. "Go back and read it again and if you have trouble reading it, ask someone on here to read it along with you and have them explain it for you and to you."
Try understanding the question again. It's a bit of an analogy which takes a lil mental work, but if your really as passionate as you make yourself out to be, you'll try to figure it out.
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To: dons
Hint: Not W!
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Bump, Bump, & double Bump!
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To: Torie
Enough is enough.
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To: Jhoffa_
"So are you going to interpret what she meant by states right S?"
"Well, someone needs to. Because she didn't come right out and say it herself."
It would be helpful if you had seen the interview. Then perhaps you would have a clue....or perhaps you did and still don't have a clue. Go To ABCNEWsBushInterview
Here you'll find "I believe in states rights. I don't think (abortion) should be in the national platform," Bush said. "There's nothing a president can do about it anyway, in all honesty. The law is there."
You see those quotation marks? I didn't put them there, ABC did and for most people of the English language it indicates that, in this case Bush, said it.
Now if she didn't say that herself, who did? You reckon ABC made it up. What I saw and heard this morning was a trick?
Are you into contrails and black helos?
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To: McGavin999
Oh, I get it! What you have just explaind that the freaking supreme court can make murder legal by striking down a states anti- abortion laws, but can't make murder illegal.
I'm glad you straightened me out on this. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a legal wizzard and legal giant. You aren't by chance an attorney are you?
So, let's see if I got this right. State X writes and passes an anti-abortion law and barbara bush is for abortion, she challenges it, and the sleazy supreme court rules against it, and walla, murder is now legal in state X. How my doing so far?
Now being a citizen of state X, I find that I'm against this murder, my FREAKING STATES RIGHTS don't mean a damned thing.I'm overruled by the federal judges. Someone on here earlier said that they could find not one word in the constitution pertaining to abortion, therefore the supreme court ruled on something that is of no concern to them, or they overstepped their jurisdiction, but they made murder legal, by their illegal ruling. SHAZAM!!!!!!!!!!
I kinda like this law stuff. NOT! It's legal murder, Iv'e learned that so far and the ex old fist woman wife of poppa bush wants the heat off junior so she is sticking her 2 cents in where it doesn't belong and trying to make junior look good by saying this is states rights stuff. Well, is it or is it not, or has it or has it not been decided by the supreme court(feederal court)to make murder aka abortion legal? I just know your answer is a resounding YES!
My state of Pennsylvania had the best anti abortion laws overturned by the federal supreme court. So as you can see, it is a federal matter at least in making this murder legal. I'm still having trouble with why they can't make it illegal! Some help here!
If the supreme court was presented a case(complaint tomorrow) by , say me, wanting them to rule abortion illegal, could they do it!! YES OR NO?
and with that, I'll await your answer and say
....GO PAT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: cksharks
"By the way yesterday was my one anniversary for getting a new ticker."
Geez, a whole year and no nurses to chase!!!!!! :-)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
The record will show that I was never numbered among Barbara Bushes hordes of admirers.
Dan
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To: sinkspur
Do you disagree that abortion should be a state issue, as it was prior to 1973?
Personally?
As far as I am concerned it's a moral issue. I view abortion as the for profit killing of innocents and I don't think it should be condoned at either the state or federal level. I don't see it as a comprimise issue. A candidates stand on abortion and the second amendment are usually enough for me to deicde wether I am interested in learning more about a candidate, or writing him off entirely. (yeah, it's a litmus test)
Would you say that abortion dosen't belong on the Republican's National Platform? Would you say it's not a national issue since Roe vs Wade?
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Former first lady Barbara Bush said Sunday there was nothing any president could do about (slavery) and that the volatile issue should not be part of the presidential campaign.
``I believe in states rights. I don't think (slavery) should be in the national platform,'' Bush said. ``There's nothing a president can do about it anyway, in all honesty. The law is there.''
Haven't we been through this before?
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To: Askel5
BB, Buchanan forms alliances with marxists and leaves a Pro-life party and joins one that has NO position on abortion.
Like I said, it's never been a big secret that Babs Bush is pro-choice. I think what she said is right on target. If Roe Wade is overturned it will be a states rights issue again just like it was prior to 1973
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To: CounterCounterCulture
All the more reason to vote 2nd party. Go Pat Go.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
All the more reason to vote 2nd party. Go Pat Go.
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To: Jhoffa_
Would you say that abortion dosen't belong on the Republican's National Platform? Would you say it's not a national issue since Roe vs Wade?
The Republican platform should state that Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
It would then become a matter for the individual states to decide. There is nothing in the US Constitution about abortion.
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To: sinkspur
One analogy regarding Pat is the play by Shakespeare: Coriolanus. It was(if vague memory serves) about a Roman General who defected to the other side in a battle because his own side was corrupt. But the side to which he defected never truly trusted or believed him, and when he wanted to returnt to his own to help they wouldn't have him.
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To: dons
You see those quotation marks? I didn't put them there, ABC did and for most people of the English language it indicates that, in this case Bush, said it.
It's called being vague.. If you want to put words in bab's mouth, or try to draw absolute conclusions from this statement, by all means do so.
But as I pointed out, all she said for sure is that baby killing shouldn't be mentioned in the national platform. And I disagree. I personally think the "states rights" comment is a convenient way to sidestep the entire issue.
Are you into contrails and black helos?
What is a "contrail" exactly? I have seen this word on FR countless times..
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To: sinkspur
The Republican platform should state that Roe v. Wade should be overturned.
I agree completely.
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To: sinkspur
There is nothing in the US Constitution about abortion.
I thought that Keyes told us (in almost every speech) that there was (or maybe it was the Declaration of Independence, but I just heard Justice Kennedy say that that matters too), even though it was apparently missed by my Con Law prof.
Sorry to feed the flames; it was an irresistible impulse, just like my little lapse above :)
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To: ventana
But the side to which he defected never truly trusted or believed him, and when he wanted to returnt to his own to help they wouldn't have him.
If Pat decided to return, the GOP would take him back, as it did Bob Smith.
But Pat wants to burn his bridges, and boats, and whatever else got him to the shores of the Reform Party.
He won't be back.
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To: sinkspur
What's a "contrail" ???
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To: sinkspur
I don't answer you, remember?
Not until you can go to the bathroom by yourself.
LOL.
And learns to type more than five successive words without including foul language and personal attacks.
I keep expecting to read "nanny, nanny, boo boo!"
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To: Askel5
"...how much easier would be the elite (on "our" side of the aisle) of our utterly corrupt ruling class?"
So you believe we have a ruling class and that it is utterly corrupt? Interesting point of view. And what are the other classes that you perceive? What sort of class struggle are you implying?
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To: Jhoffa_
"What is a "contrail" exactly? I have seen this word on FR countless times.."
It's what a runaway prisoner leaves behind.
You can put that right up there with your understanding of what Mrs. Bush said.
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To: dons
This is the reason I don't think I can vote in the next election...
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To: All
What is a "contrail"?
(footprints left by a chain gang?)
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To: Askel5
"I don't get it. "
That's the truest thing you have said in a long time.
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To: Bold Fenian
"...the blue-bloods are bloodthirsty gangsters who don't give a whit about us "little people", in or out of the womb. "
Marxist.
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To: jawlaw
I read some where her on another thread Alan Green Spam thinks wee need more immigrants.....the third world kind that don't know much about being free so they can water us down? What in the hell are these people thinkng...I don't like crowds.
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To: Jhoffa_
A "contrail" is vapor.
Vapor behind an object 30,000 feet in the sky.
After all the bandwidth on the subject that has been wasted on FR, you don't really want to know!
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To: Bold Fenian
"Thanks. "THE SULTAN OF SMIRK" is, indeed, my line. "
LOL! if that's true, then your James Carville. I knew that some of the Paddie Wagon were really just Democrat pretenders, but it's hard to tell which ones...
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To: RURIK
"This is the reason I don't think I can vote in the next election..."
Now there is some good news!!!
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To: Big Ezy
When George Sr. Was running for prez she said that she was prochoice and Bush was mad at the woman for saying it...he showed he did not want her to talk about it. I agree with her that abortion might not be a good issue to put on the table if you don't think that the issue would get your party elected. I am against late term abortion..it is murder...unless it can be judged the the mothers life is thratened by delivery of the baby. Most of the time the child can be delivered by other methods.
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To: dons
I read your entire reply very carefully and delibertly.I accept your apology. As for your analogy,let me explain to you this.
As a born again christian, I accept the Holy Bible to be all encompassing. Life, death, and all things. In the book of Genesis 1:27 God created man in his own image, in the image of God He created him.
Since I beleive that The Holy Bible, and God created ALL THINGS, it is not an option for me, to take the life of anyone whom God created. God gave life, therefore God should be the only one to take life.
If my wife were raped tomorrow and conceived of a child, we would have that child as it was created by God. Call me what you want and or my wife, but this is our beleif.
I can't think of any worse crime than the cowardly act of murder by abortion of an innocent unborn child. NOTHING compares!! I guess there are some of us who do not love life and some even take their own life, suicide.
Then we have the ultra liberals who want to take our guns away because of the shootings, particularly at Columbine high School and other schools. Lives were taken, they say, then they speak out in support of murder by abortion. We are living in one crazy zaney mixed up world.
Let's suppose now that the bible is just really not the true picture and even the characters are made up by the author(s). But aren't the lives of the unborn children just as important and valid as your life and mine. We were allowed to be born, thank God, because our mothers, whether christian or not, wanted us, at least mine did.
I beleive The Holy Bible to be "IT". Maybe you don't beleive I'm right and you probably beleive you are right. I know one thing, even if I am wrong, I never played the role of God and took someones life,...and that is something that I can live with.
I've heard the arguments that an aborted baby is just a gob until they are born. If you saw the picture on here from Matt Drudge of the baby removed lovingly from it's mother's womb at 21 weeks gestation, had surgery on it's spine by a true christian doctor, then put back in to be born on December 5th,1999, you can plainly see that that child of God's was and is no blob.
I hate abortion more than I love my own life. You getting the picture!! gwb's signing the bill honoring the murdering butcher abortion doctor is the main reason among many, that I could never vote for and support him. His stand in favor of the New World Order, just as his father was , is another.
If you can support abortion and or beleive in it, and you can and will support gwb for his ideals, go for it. I never can and never will. I will do all in my power to axe this guy. Our country can't survive under his leadership, or I should say non leadership. IF NOT LIFE, WHAT?
GO PAT GO!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: LACUMO
"They support legal murder and are proud of abortion supporting gwb just like you are."
Consider (Lifted from Lucianne.com where the conversation is congenial.)
Abortion Statistics
Why Abortions Are Performed
The overwhelming majority of all abortions, (95%), are done as a means of birth control.
Only 1% are performed because of rape or incest;
1% because of fetal abnormalities;
3% due to the mother's health problems.
Source: Central Illinois Right To Life
Legality of Abortion
Abortion is legal in the USA at any time throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy... FOR ANY REASON.
Pro-Life vs. Pro-Abortion
A new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll shows what Gallup polls have been showing since 1975: Most Americans take a
pro-life position even if they do not call themselves "pro-life."
The poll reveals that only one in four Americans, 27%, say abortions should be legal under any circumstances. The
rest all take one of two pro-life positions: 16% say abortions should be illegal in all circumstances;(which explians in part why the "extremist" candidates won't win...Gone Pat Gone) and 55% say
abortion should be legal only under certain rare circumstances, such as rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.(The Bush's tend to think like most people.Forbes isn't sure, he used to think like this, and Keyes agrees with the latter exception.)
Overall, 71% of Americans oppose 97% or more of all abortions in the United States. However, that opposition doesn't
transcend into whether people consider themselves "pro-life" or "pro-choice." (Which shows why Freepers who want to label candidates views are futile.)
The poll shows that people who consider themselves "pro-choice" are no longer a majority. The figure is 48%, down
from a high of 56% three years ago. There is no real gender difference: 49% of women are "pro-choice," 47% of men.
The number identifying themselves as "pro-life" has risen from 36% three years ago to 42% -- men 43%, women 42%. (Which means soem of the people who consider themeselves in this catagory believe in abortions under some circumstances......that is of course unless your name is Bush and then you are a pro_abortionist not pro-life.(/sarc))
Analysts attribute much of the "pro-life" gains to the massive educational campaign the pro-life community has conducted over the last several years regarding partial-birth abortion.
More than six in 10, 61%, say they favor making partial-birth abortions illegal, up from 55% two years ago. Support for keeping partial-birth abortions legal has dropped from 40% to 34% in the same period. Other polls have shown as many as 80% support making partial-birth abortions illegal.
Looking to the next elections: Fewer than one in five, 19%, say a candidate's views on abortion must match theirs to
get their vote; 51% say abortion is just one of many important issues they consider; 27% say it is not an important
factor in their vote at all.
The poll of 1,014 adults was taken Friday through Sunday. The error margin is +/- 3 percentage points.
Source: Pro-Life Infonet
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To: sinkspur; cinci
Since ABC interviewed the wife and mother of candidate GW Bush, I guess Forbes has filed suit asking for equal time for his........
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To: Askel5
"Mark my words. You'll be pro-choice before it's all over if you're backing Bush.."
....and if you are backing Bush you're backing into a BONER!
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To: LACUMO
"Call me what you want and or my wife, but this is our beleif."
For now. See #147 for where everyone else is.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Why do I have this feeling that the Bush women are setting us up for the appointment of Christie Whitman as VP?
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To: cksharks
"By the way yesterday was my one anniversary for getting a new ticker."
WAY TO GO, CK!!!
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To: dons
Steve will, no doubt, ask for airtime to discuss....how terrible Barbara Bush is and, what's more, that the entire Bush family is the spawn of the devil!!
The ultimate in attack ads!
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To: Timothy
I will let some Mexican have my vote card...make ya happy ?
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To: Irma
Why do I have this feeling that the Bush women are setting us up for the appointment of Christie Whitman as VP?
Arator dug up an article from 1992 Reproductive Freedom News, in which: "Following in his Vice President's footsteps, President Bush found himself mired in the same controversy that Dan Quayle generated in July when he said that he would support his daughter's decision to have and abortion.
Maybe you're being set up for Quayle again? Hey it could happpen and it's not like they don't know him.
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To: dons
I guess Forbes has filed suit asking for equal time for his........
There ya go, Smarty.....keep Forbes' name up front and center as you have been doing thread after thread.
We are enjoying the free publicity....LOL
Errrrrrr......what's that you keep saying about Bush's positively run campaign? I guess he can stay positive as long as he has his supporters dissing other candidates, right? :-)
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To: RURIK
"I will let some Mexican have my vote card...make ya happy ?"
Si. Qui paso paco? Dondi este "vote card?"
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To: dons
I don't care where everyone else is.I'm not everyone else! I just won't support a candidate who HONORED a murderer butcher abortion doctor. If the bible is right, you can take a break from this thread and catch up with all the gwb supporters in hell. If it is wrong, they can party on!!!! I can hear them jive ass dancing to the tune of Happy Days are Here Still because gwb=clinton clone.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: Timothy
I think I will just be a hemorrhoid to all of the ass holes like you!
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To: sinkspur
Did Pres. Bush change his position on abortion when Barbara revealed to an interviewer that she was pro-choice??
Hmmmm? According to some of your past posts Lenora Falani's pro-choice position would somehow change Pat's mind, but mommy would not influence Dubya?
Sinky my boy, my eye is starting to twitch over your profound "logic."
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To: mqg25
Hmmmm? According to some of your past posts Lenora Falani's pro-choice position would somehow change Pat's mind, but mommy would not influence Dubya?
Sinky my boy, my eye is starting to twitch over your profound "logic."
Barbara Bush is not the CO-CHAIRMAN of GWB's campaign.
Unlike Lenora, who has a prominent role in Pat's crusade.
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To: Timothy
Maybe I will write in for Quayle...or for myself...that will teach ya! What is a contrail...? Is that like Bush Jr.'s coat tails? You up there in RINO & Dumbo land don't give a hoot about us...do you?
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To: sinkspur
" Barbara Bush is not the co-chairman of GWB's campaign."
Gee I hope not. Somebody needs to tell her that Roe V. Wade is not a law, but a court decision. From the debates though I see George is a chip off the ole block though, eh?
"Unlike Lenora who has a prominent role in Pat's campaign."
Yes she does have a prominent role in Pat's campaign. Pat has said that he would only support pro-life judges and Falani knows this. Sounds to me like Falani is bending some of her principles, not Pat. I haven't heard Dubya make that vow. I do know his daddy said "no new taxes," and look what we got.
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To: dons
Smart...(*shaking head from side to side*)
So now you're so avidly supporting Bush that you are using REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM NEWS as your sources? ....Sheesh!
I remember when Dan Quayle was asked that question concerning his daughter on live tv. It was phrased in a way that was a double edged sword, typical of the way the liberal press interviews conservatives, ya know.
Quayle responded by saying he would counsel his daughter and advise her not to have the abortion. He would strongly suggestion adoption as an option, but if she was no longer a minor and he had no control over her actions, that he would not turn his back on his daughter.
BTW, when did you start reading Reproductive Freedom News, Smart?......hehehe
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To: mqg25
Sounds to me like Falani is bending some of her principles, not Pat.
Be careful. Pat's the one who jumped parties; Lenora has changed nothing, nor has she indicated she will change.
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To: Irma
"Errrrrrr......what's that you keep saying about Bush's positively run campaign? I guess he can stay positive as long as he has his supporters dissing other candidates, right? :-)" He has "positivly" filed a couple of suits/complaints. One is against members of his own party. I guess talking about someone who is negetive is a negetive proposition. Not to worry. Bush isn't relying on me for his campaign......i'm just being, ......a Smartaleck :-)
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To: dons
He has "positivly" filed a couple of suits/complaints. One is against members of his own party.
Well, YUK, that type of action scores no points with me.....:-(
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To: mqg25
Somebody needs to tell her that Roe V. Wade is not a law, but a court decision.
Gee, you must not be a fan of judicial supremacy in interpreting the constitution as enunciated by John Marshall in McCulloch v Maryland. A word of warning: ignoring judicial precedents as not the law may not be entirely prudent.
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To: sinkspur
"Be careful, Pat's the one who jumped parties,"(and rightly so)"Lenora won't change nothing....."
Tell you what Sink. If Pat starts changing his beliefs to appease Fulani I will not be voting for him in 2000. Can you say the same of George Jr.?
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To: sinkspur
Geez...I think this might be the first thing we ever agreed on.
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To: Jethro Tull
I bet my mother could kick her butt!
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To: dons
Duhhh
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To: Irma
Errrrrrr......what's that you keep saying about Bush's positively run campaign?
I don't know. Sometimes it ain't easy.
catch up with all the gwb supporters in hell.- Lacumo
I think I will just be a hemorrhoid to all of the ass holes like you!- Rurik
Why do I have this feeling that the Bush women are setting us up for the appointment of Christie Whitman as VP?-Irma
murdering butcher abortion doctor just like you are. - Lucumo to Sinkspur
The sad part is that this man is old enough to belong to AARP and he still is trying to sell himself as a kid.- Please release me
of your crown putz? - to Sinkspur from Please Release Me
"Thanks. "THE SULTAN OF SMIRK" is, indeed, my line. " - Bold Fenien is proud of this one.
You supporters of legal murder will be burning in hell some day - Lucumo again
I do not want to see the DEVIL bush get elected. - Lucumo
YES!!!!!!!! HE IS SCUM!!!!!! - Lucumo (I think he's lost it)
Dubya and his family are elitist trash.
His supporters are lower than whale siht...- Jethro Tull
does Ms. Bush get a royalty from Quaker oats for their use of her picture on the boxes?- Jawlaw?
If you had a brain sink you could be dangerous. - Common Tator
This stupid bush family are showing us TRUE IGNORANCE. -Lucumo
Bush IS ONLY PRETENDING.- Askel 5
.the blue-bloods are bloodthirsty gangsters who don't give a whit about us "little people", in or out of the womb. "and "or a moronic princeling without principle" - Bold Fenien
And these aren't suppose to be Democrats ROFLMAO
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To: Irma
"you are using REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM NEWS as your sources?
Better than that. I use Arator. He came up with that blast from the past.....ROFL
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To: dons
dons...tell us who..come on, come on...tell us. I thougt Repubcans don't like law suits?
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To: dons
ROFLMBO
Excluding her position on abortion, I like Barbara Bush, Smart, but this one is FUNNY!---->
does Ms. Bush get a royalty from Quaker oats for their use of her picture on the boxes?- Jawlaw?
ROFL
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To: dons
"Human stem cell research leads Science's top ten list of the best scientific advances in 1999 "
Washington D.C. - The most important scientific advance of 1999, says Science, was the progress scientists made towards controlling how human stem cells-extraordinary cells capable of giving rise to all the other cells in our bodies-assume their identities. In just one short year, stem cells have shown promise for treating a dizzying variety of human diseases. In its annual "Top Ten" list, appearing in the 17 December 1999 issue, Science salutes this research and nine more of the year's hottest scientific developments for their profound implications for society and the advancement of science.
This was the pivotal year in which scientists and the public grappled with the ethical and scientific implications of stem cell research. Late last year, two teams of researchers managed to make stem cells from human embryos grow in the laboratory, producing bone, muscle, nerve, and other types of cells. It may someday be possible to use this approach to treat human disease in ways never before thought possible, such as growing new organs or repairing nerve damage. But, for many, using cells from a human embryo to do so is a troubling prospect. Although the debate is sure to continue, new federal rules suggest that the climate for embryonic stem cell research may be beginning to thaw. "
"best scientific advances,hottest scientific developments,promise for treating a dizzying variety of human diseases (changing the lives of Billions) or genocide? Link FR
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To: LACUMO
So, let's see if I got this right. State X writes and passes an anti-abortion law and barbara bush is for abortion, she challenges it, and the sleazy supreme court rules against it, and walla, murder is now legal in state X. How my doing so far?
Not too good, you got the whole thing backwards. But then.....ah well, Jim doesn't want personal attacks so all I can say is RE READ the post, and try to get rid of some of your anger so you'll have a better chance of understanding.
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To: dons
Answer: Genocide.
The ends do not justify the means. If Hitler's barbaric holocaust resulted in some kind of medical breakthrough, that would never justify the slaughtering of Jews.
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To: THREAD #2 Started
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To: McGavin999
I don't think so. They struck down Pennsylvanias anti-abortion law. Tell me at a later time. I'll give you all the time you need to dazzle me with your knowledge of leagalese. So far, you haven't even told me how the supreme court can make abortion legal, but can't make it illegal. Can anyone else?
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!
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To: dons
You don't like to get a smart responce for a comment like you made to me? Get some preperation H.
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To: dons
If you are going to quote me on something I posted on here , do it in it's entirety. You used part of my reply out of context and I am going to ask Jim Robinson to ban you from this site. This is the way you bush supporters behave on every thread. You attack and distort. I demand an apology. And I want it now!!!!
Hey Jim Robinson take a look at dons post 173 and line 7 of that reply. He completely distorted what I said by taking it out of context. He should be banned from Free Republic.
Shame on you.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: sinkspur
"Buchanan is pro-life in a pro-choice party"
So you admit Buchanan cares for unborn babies but you attack him to no end.
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To: dons
"Is this based on the large family he's raised?"
Hey moron I have no children yet but that does not make me a hypocrite when it comes to being anti-abortion. You are desperate it sounds with these stupid remarks.
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To: dons
This is total bullshit! Either you are for abortion or against. bush has shown no backbone and I will never vote for him.
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To: dons
"So what your saying is, you wouldn't stand up for the life of your mother? Geeeez and you call the Bush's scum ROFLMAO"
You are a liar. If I am not mistaken most abortions are not about saving the life of the mother you stupid idiot. This issue is very personal to me and your putting a roflamo is childish.
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To: Bart112
This guy appears to be a disruptor and a bait and switch artist. You would do well to ignore him and accept him for that which he is.....and that is in favor of abortion plain and simple.
We know for sure where our candidate stands on this abomination and that is all that really matters. Let us spend our precious time advancing our candidate and let these losers continue on losing. His reply to you was the worst case of ignorance I've seen on FreeRepublic.
I won't justify this creature by ever responding to his asnine posts and or reply's.
GO PAT GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
GO ALAN GO !!!!!!!!!!!!
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I profoundly disagree with Mrs. Bush.
There is no authority in the Constitution for the Federal Government to inflict or remove abortion on our society. The Republican presidential candidate should take the position that he will work with Congress to negate all of the Supreme Court actions regarding abortion and return the issue to the individual states who do have the authority to limit (or not limit) abortion.
This is the only avenue that is constitutionally allowed, unless the abortion industry wishes to amend the Federal Constitution to provide for Federal authority covering abortion.
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To: Common Tator
"Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Glad to see you are realizing it'll be
Deja Vu '92 with a "W"
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To: Torie
Gee, you must not be a fan of judicial supremacy in the interpretation of the Constitution as enunciated by John Marshall in McColloch v. Maryland.
A word of warning: ignoring judicial precedents as not the law may not be entirely prudent.
First of all I am having a difficult time comparing McCulloch v. Maryland as following court ordered "fiat." The case had to do with the taxation of Maryland over unchartered banks in their jurisdiction. John Marshall overturned it on the "Constitutional" premise of "implied powers" of the Congress by reason of "federal fiscal operations." Many scholars cite it was a very loose interpretation of "implied powers."
What does Roe v. Wade have to do with "implied powers" of the Congress? Can you show me a law where Congress has legalized abortion? Please also cite in the Constitution where courts can enact laws?
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To: mqg25
Please also cite in the Constitution where courts can enact laws?
I can't actually, but funny thing, that is precisely what they seem to do from time to time. Maybe you can take a trip to the here after and ask former Justices Douglas, Blackman, Brennan and Warren for some more pointers on how it is done.
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To: Torie
Maybe you can take a trip to the here after and ask former justices' Douglas, Blackman, Brennan and Warner for some pointers on how this was done.
I would go only if I could take some tar and feathers and run them out of Hell on a rail.
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To: LACUMO
Policy....just a reminder.
Do keep it clean - A bruise or two between Freepers is tolerable, but refrain from abusive attacks, engaging in senseless flame wars, and using profane language. Considering the range of topics we discuss, it's hard to be a family site, but that's what we aim for when at all possible.
Don't be a whiner - If you really, really find Free Republic not to your liking, let the webmaster know directly (jimrob@psnw.com), learn to live with it, or move along.
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To: Bart112
"You are a liar. If I am not mistaken most abortions are not about saving the life of the mother you stupid idiot. This issue is very personal to me and your putting a roflamo is childish."
I asked a question clarifying the position. Lying? That does not compute.
I'm well aware of the numbers, I posted them "3% due to the mother's health problems."
"This issue is very personal to me and your putting a roflamo is childish."
It's been my experience that any medical procedure is personal.....you don't have a monopoly in this area.
Further, the laughable part refers to the hypocrisy. Sorry you don't understand that.
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To: LACUMO
"I won't justify this creature by ever responding to his asnine posts and or reply's"
Thanks. It saves bandwidth too.
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To: Bethanie
And you do not know what the hell you are talking about. George Bush is one of the most pro-life Governors in history. Let me replace all your misguided opinions with FACTS to the contrary:
From an article posted here:
"Bush's views have been consistently pro-life. He favors, parental-consent laws, a ban on partial-birth abortion, and ultimately a constitutional amendment."
Source: Mr. Right: The conservative case for George W.
He even has the distinguished honor of being the only Presidential candidate to have his own bash page on the National Abortion and Reproductive Right Action League:
Other articles here on FR that addressed this issue:
"George W. Bush is fervently anti-choice," continued Michelman. "But on the campaign trail, Bush strikes a different pose portraying himself as no threat to a woman's right to choose. But we know George W. Bush. We know his views and we know his record. We know the myriad of individuals and groups just waiting for the opportunity an anti-choice president presents. And we know the tremendous power of the office he seeks, not the least of which is the power to nominate new Supreme Court Justices." -- Statement by Kate Michelman, NARAL President
Source: NARAL Releases New TV Ad on Bush and Supreme Court
George W. Bush is attempting to portray himself as a centrist on the issue of abortion while on the Presidential campaign trail, but his fervent opposition to a woman's right to choose and his record as Governor of Texas contrast starkly with his centrist image. In fact, a National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL) analysis of 1999 state legislative activity on abortion and reproductive rights shows that, under Bush's leadership, the Texas state legislature passed more anti-choice bills in 1999 than any other state.
On Sunday, Bush signed nine anti-choice provisions passed during the 1999 session alone.
"George W. Bush is trying to position himself as a centrist presidential candidate. In doing so, he is downplaying both his opposition to the right to choose and the importance of the choice issue in the Presidential contest," said NARAL President Kate Michelman. "In Texas, Bush has led an aggressive campaign to restrict reproductive choice for women. But on the campaign trail he consistently depicts himself as a candidate who poses little threat to the freedom to choose. If this is how George W. Bush practices his brand of 'compassionate conservatism' as Governor, one can only wonder what 'compassionate' reproductive health policies he would enact as president."
George W. Bush has signed 16 anti-choice provisions in the three legislative sessions during which he has been governor. Most recently in the 1999 Texas legislative session, Bush supported and has signed more anti-choice provisions than any other governor in the country. Among them:
-- a parental involvement in abortion law;
-- a waiting period for minors seeking abortion services;
-- a law making it a felony for a grandparent to take his or her 14-16 year-old grandchild out of state to obtain an abortion without notifying the parents, even if doing so might result in physical or emotional abuse or if her pregnancy is the result of incest;
-- a law expanding Texas' onerous and discriminatory abortion clinic regulations and imposing the $2500 licensing fee on specified physicians' offices, potentially needlessly raising the cost of an abortion;
-- a prohibition blocking school-based health care centers from providing reproductive health services, counseling, or referrals;
-- a prohibition on family planning funding for organizations that provide abortion services;
-- a prohibition on family planning funding for organizations that dispense prescription contraceptives to minors without parental consent;
-- a law prohibiting Children's Health Insurance Programs from covering reproductive services; and
-- a law denying tax exemptions to non-profit organizations that perform, make referrals for, or assist specified organizations that perform or refer for abortions.
In the 1995 and 1997 legislative sessions, Bush signed seven anti-choice provisions including new and unnecessary clinic regulations, restrictions on legal assistance for poor women with regard to reproductive choice, restrictions on family planning funding and sexuality education, and a law allowing HMOs to opt out of providing essential reproductive health services to plan members.
"George W. Bush has demonstrated real leadership when it comes to taking away a woman's right to choose and curtailing their reproductive options," said Michelman. "Moreover, his anti-choice policies harm those who deserve our compassion the most the poor and young women in crisis. Despite the campaign rhetoric, his record reveals the true George W. Bush. He is anti-choice and hostile to the reproductive rights of American women."
Source: NARAL: Bush's Actions Contrast With His Image on Abortion
"George W. Bush's anti-choice stance was on full display today before members of the Christian Coalition. If there was any doubt about Governor Bush's position on this crucial issue, that doubt faded when he enthusiastically told the solidly anti-choice audience, "Every child born and unborn must be protected by law and welcomed into life." "George W. Bush has been attempting to portray himself as a moderate on this issue separate and distinct from the other solidly anti-choice GOP candidates. But his appearance today before one of the nation's most virulently anti-choice organizations reveals George W. Bush for who he really is - an anti-choice Presidential candidate bent on dismantling a woman's right to choose, tearing down the protections of Roe, and relegating women once again to second-class citizenship. "Bush proved today that there is no substantive difference between his views and those of Gary Bauer, Steve Forbes or Pat Buchanan when it comes to taking away a woman's right to choose." -- Kate Michelman, President of NARAL
Source: Bush's Anti-Choice Stance On Full Display Today
Articles from other sources:
"Questions raised about Texas Governor George W. Bush by national Pro-Life leaders in regard to the sincerity of his commitment to the Pro-Life cause have a familiar ring. The same questions were raised early in the campaigns of Ronald Reagan and of the other George Bush. Both became heroes of the Pro-Life movement upon election.
When national columnists began to speculate that George W. Bush would distance himself from Pro-Lifers and Christian conservatives in order to advance his Presidential aspirations, Governor Bush called a meeting of Pro-Life leaders last year to announce that such a move was furthest from his intention precisely because his heart is with the Pro-Life cause.
But actions speak louder than words. At the end of the last session of the Texas Legislature, Governor Bush stood against powerful forces in the state and vetoed legislation that would have allowed a physician to deny life-saving treatment to a patient requesting it - even if the patient's death should result. This veto action was taken at the specific request of the Texas Right to Life Committee.
In the same session, Governor Bush aggressively lobbied for the passage of substantial Pro-Life legislation. His efforts failed because there was simply not enough Pro-Life support in the seated legislature. The Governor is currently advocating parental consent legislation and is committed to working actively for passage of all Pro-Life bills in the upcoming 76TH Texas Legislative session next January [1999]. Governor Bush refers to himself as the most Pro-Life Governor the state of Texas has ever had. His words and actions give ringing proof of the claim. And he sure beats Ann Richards.
Joseph M. Graham, Ph.D.
The Texas Right to Life Committee, Inc., President
Source: Texas Governor George Bush and Pro-Life
And he succeeded during the 1999 session:
"Texas Families Win!
Pro-lifers band together for Parental Notification
by Christopher Maska, J.D.
By signing in law SB 30, the Parental Notification Act, Governor George W. Bush gave Texas its greatest pro-life victory in the 26 years since the tragic Roe v. Wade decision.
This new law, which goes into effect on January 1, 2000, restores rights to parents and protects their minor daughters. The law requires a physician to notify parents before performing an abortion on their minor daughter. The only exceptions are medical emergencies, which are strictly defined, and a federal court-required judicial bypass.
States with similar laws have experienced sharp drops in the number of both abortions and pregnancies to minors. In Texas, we can expect a decline of more than 1,000 abortions and 5,000 pregnancies per year.
Also of primary importance, was support that Governor Bush and Lieutenant Governor Rick Perry gave. Both made it clear that parental notification was among their top priorities. Both lobbied hard to ensure the passage of SB 30.
GOVERNOR BUSH FILES AMICUS BRIEF AGAINST TAX-FUNDED ABORTIONS; PRO-LIFE GROUP APPLAUDS
AUSTIN -- Governor George W. Bush today filed an amicus curiae (friend of the court) brief in Texas' Third Court of Appeals today shortly before the Court heard arguments in a lawsuit in which six abortion providers are suing the State for tax funding for elective abortions. Bush's brief opposes a court mandate to fund elective abortions.
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And as far as his mother goes, what has she got to do with it? NOTHING. My mother was pro-abortion too, she forced me to have an abortion at 15, I have never forgiven her for murdering my child. I have just recently turned my anger over to God, she will have to deal with Him on the issue, it was the only solution that made sense as my parents are old and ill now. So I have a big stake in this, I am one who would never support a pro-abortion Governor, much less a pro-abortion President. Bush is definitely pro-life, you can count on that, anyone that says otherwise is a complete liar.
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To: Askel5
You have yet to prove that the problem you say exists with SB30 actually exists. My information is to the contrary:
NEWS BRIEFS Jun-10-1999
By Catholic News Service
U.S. Texas Gov. Bush signs parental notification law for minors
AUSTIN, Texas (CNS) -- Pro-life advocates hailed Texas Gov. George W. Bush's signing into law a bill that will require a minor girl's parents be notified if she is contemplating an abortion.
``This is one of the most emotional issues we've had in the legislative process, in my experience,'' said Holy Cross Brother Richard Daly, executive director of the Texas Catholic Conference, the public policy arm of the state's Catholic bishops. ``It is also the most significant pro-life legislation passed in Texas since Roe vs. Wade,'' he added, referring to the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion.
PARENTAL NOTIFICATION LAWS PASS IN TEXAS AND FLORIDA
By Dave Andrusko
June 10 - Just three days ago, pro-life Texas Gov. George W. Bush signed into law parental notification legislation that is virtually identical to a parental notification law that pro-life Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is scheduled to sign into law as NRL News goes to press.
Both laws overcame enormous obstacles, beginning with a barrage of pro-abortion parliamentary trickery and the brevity of the legislative session in both states.
At a bill-signing ceremony June 7, George W. Bush ex-pressed his desire for an America where "unborn children are welcome in life and protected by law."
Gov. Bush declared that the new law "makes a simple, urgent point: when a child is in crisis, parents should have a role and a voice. They should be the first to help, not the last to know." The law, Bush said, "both respects families and protects life."
In his remarks Gov. Bush also "asked state lawmakers to push for other antiabortion measures, including promoting adoption, opposing public funding of abortions, ending partial-birth abortion, and promoting abstinence among children," according to the Associated Press.
"It is a new day for Right to Life in Texas," said Joseph Graham, Ph.D., president of Texas Right to Life. "We have been working to pass meaningful pro-life legislation since 1973."
Dr. Graham said parental notification promotes a number of important goals. "It establishes protection for the unborn; by bringing in their parents, the law will help pregnant teens make a decision about something that will have an impact on them the rest of their lives," he told NRL News.
NRLC Associate Executive Director Darla St. Martin strongly agreed. "Gov. George W. Bush's strong pro-life leadership was critical in passing this legislation over pro-abortion opposition," she said. "Parents owe a debt of gratitude to Gov. Bush, the bill's sponsors, the Texas legislature, and the coalition of pro-life groups, including Texas Right to Life, who worked so hard for this protective legislation."
Mrs. St. Martin added, "Experi-ence shows that notification laws save babies' lives and strengthen the bonds between teenage daughters and their parents."
Mary Spaulding Balch, NRLC's state legislative director, told NRL News that the victories in Texas and Florida were "just short of miraculous."
"Historically, again and again pro-life legislation has been sabotaged by a determined pro-abortion minority using arcane parliamentary tricks," she said. "That happened in Texas in 1997 when at the last minute a pro-abortion state representative used a 'point of order' to kill a parental notification law."
Not so in 1999. (Texas's legislature meets only every other year for 140 days.) Despite a flurry of maneuvers that to the very end of the session threatened to either kill the bill altogether or produce a deeply flawed version, a strong parental notification measure emerged.
For instance, after losing the vote that would have allowed other relatives to be notified as well as a parent, one pro-abortionist offered an amendment that would have allowed minors to notify a clergyman. But Rep. Arlene Wohlgemuth blasted the amendment, explaining that anyone can easily become "clergy."
"To prove her point, she logged on to a Web site while the House was in session and became a minister of the Universal Life Church," the American-Statesman reported.
Instead the strong new Texas law obligates abortionists to inform a parent of an unmarried girl under 18 by phone or registered mail 48 hours in advance. As required by a string of U.S. Supreme Court decisions, the law provides a judicial bypass, whereby the minor may petition a judge to be given an abortion without notifying her parents. Over and over the High Court has shot down laws which do not include such a bypass mechanism.
Dr. Graham attended the bill signing in Dallas. Looking back at the session just completed, he told NRL News that "Gov. Bush showed himself to be an extremely effective leader on the pro-life issue." Graham said Bush made it abundantly clear that he wanted pro-life legislation throughout the session and at the May 15 Texas RTL fundraising luncheon that the governor attended.
"He went out of his way to make the point that the abortion issue is very dear to him and close to his heart," Graham said. The bill was stuck in a particular house committee, Graham said, and Bush was key to getting the legislation unbottled and on to the floor of the house.
"Texas Families Win!
Pro-lifers band together for Parental Notification
by Christopher Maska, J.D.
By signing in law SB 30, the Parental Notification Act, Governor George W. Bush gave Texas its greatest pro-life victory in the 26 years since the tragic Roe v. Wade decision. This new law, which goes into effect on January 1, 2000, restores rights to parents and protects their minor daughters. The law requires a physician to notify parents before performing an abortion on their minor daughter. The only exceptions are medical emergencies, which are strictly defined, and a federal court-required judicial bypass. States with similar laws have experienced sharp drops in the number of both abortions and pregnancies to minors. In Texas, we can expect a decline of more than 1,000 abortions and 5,000 pregnancies per year.
Also of primary importance, was support that Governor Bush and Lieutenant Governor Rick Perry gave. Both made it clear that parental notification was among their top priorities. Both lobbied hard to ensure the passage of SB 30.
Greater Austin Right to Life Committee
So as you can see...the Catholics, the National Right to Life Committee, the Texas Right to Life Committee and the Greater Austin Right to Life Committee all state that this bill is effective and applaud the Governor for his efforts...I think I'd rather believe them than a vile Bush basher like you.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
The press should ask Bush if he supports his mother's position about keeping the abortion issue off the platform.
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To: ravingnutter
Bush is definitely pro-life, you can count on that, anyone that says otherwise is a complete liar.
I'm sorry you wasted so much time defending George W. Bush. I was talking about his father.
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To: Torie
Believe me, Torie ... I'm well aware of the "swing" centrist Pubbies (and Democrats) that Bush will lose. I don't think it's a mystery to anyone that Bush MUST run to center in order to make up his conservative base with a bunch of moderate Democrats.
I understand full well the beauty of compromise when two sides have equally compelling arguments. This is not one of them.
Furthermore ... in my heart of hearts (as benighted as I may be) I believe in the power of Truth to spark whatever scrap of human conscience and true compassion resides within even a pro-choice soul.
I guess I don't understand crowing over our horses great odds when we agreed to don the grey silks of compromise before entering the gate and leave our most fundamental ethics hanging on a peg with other outdated tack.
Slavery was an equally unpopular issue. Regardless of federalist fantasies about how the framers of the "Emancipation Proclamation" were not using the issue but "incrementally" freeing the slaves, I don't think I'd respect an abolitionist who could draw so many distinctions in JUST WHAT SORT of circumstances made human slavery and sale of human chattel okay.
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Barbara Bush should stay out of politics, lest she draw herself into the same sewer as Hillary. It's bad enough that she's shilling for her know-nothing son Dubya, but now she is essentially urging the GOP to become a pro-choice party, in name as well as in practice.
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