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GLOBE - February 1, 2000
TOM KUNCLE
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PRESSURE ON POLICE RE. STARBUCKS
MEOW MEOW MEOW WOW BUMP
I'm surprised the White House even let this run, must be waiting to file a lawsuit for cash
Prominent columnist Carl Limbacher of the electronic journal NewsMax, says,......
I beginning to like these guys.
It's very sad that the tabloids and the Internet are doing the job that the American TASS media isn't doing.
BUT I LIKE IT! I LIKE IT!!
FReecerely Yours,
Sockzy, this is priceless, I do not know if this warrants a Pulitzer on your part or a lawsuit.
The scumbag that shot the Starbucks three was caught - he was a career criminal with at this time no connection to the White House. Of course he used two handguns that were illegal in D.C. so we obviously need stronger gun control in this country, my liberal step mother said.
I'm dying out here laughing. Great shot!
Sockzy, this is priceless,
A-Ticket trash, SP.
Finally, Trash, a photo that does FLOTUS justice!!! Ya gotta love the fact, that in the Age of Clinton, the "sleazy tabloids" have become the Fourth Estate.
Hey, TrailerTrash...that is a great photo of the killer..better turn it over to the cops...:>))
This is presumably from a forthcoming book by Hoffman? Anybody have any info on this book, or the one mentioned on OKC bombing?
Here's an old FR post from the Whitewater archives:
To: Brian Mosely & ALL
This was posted elsewhere on the forum tonight:
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Mahoney was murdered at Starbucks in Washington because.......
Jim Eason, a radio talk show host on KSFO560 Wed, afternoon, 2/4, 98
Wed, afternoon, 2/4, Jim Eason, a radio talk show host on KSFO560, reported and labeled as rumor something he had read on the Internet from a newsletter; "Strategic Weekly Briefings" by Craig Karpel.
The substance was that Lewinski had said to Vernon Jordan that she did not want to wind up like Foster and FNU Mahoney. Further Lewinski told Jordan that Linda Tripp thinks that Foster was murdered; and, that a WH intern named FNU Mahoney was murdered at Starbucks in Washington because she knew too much about a plan by the Chinese to provide $7 million to the campaign and that she had learned about this matter from her work in the WH.
Further, that Mahoney's mother was long an employee of the US Attorney's office in Baltimore and that she is causing a stink because she does not think the DC police are trying to solve the murder of her daughter. I do not know whether to believe any of this, but I have listened to Jim Eason for several years and I would say that he is generally quite careful what he says on the radio.
Does anybody know anything about this?
Posted by: toni (antoniahoward@Worldnet.att.net)
02/05/98 00:30:31 EST
Then on a "Village Voice 2000" forum, I found another Craig Karpel reference which I will copy to this board:
From: WARHOOP
Date Posted: December 02, 1998 at 23:38:22
Subject: ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE
SO WHY DO YOU THINK MONICA KEPT THE "STAINED DRESS?
SO WHY DID LINDA TRIPP TAPE MONICA'S PHONE CALLS?
WHY DOES ARKANSAS HAVE A LOCAL TERM "ARKANCIDE"?
A LOT OF WHY'S CAN BE ANSWERED IF ONE, JUST FOR A MOMENT, CONSIDERS THE UNBELIEVABLE.
{....} The following is excerpted from "Strategic Weekly Briefings" by Craig Karpel, January 23, 1998:
According to my sources, when Monica Lewinsky first met with Vernon Jordan in November 1997 she told him she didn’t want to end up like Caity Mahoney. Jordan professed not to know whom Lewinsky was referring to until she identified Mahoney as the former White House intern who was murdered last summer in a Starbucks.
The Starbucks murders were big news in Washington because, as D.C. Council member Jack Evans put it, "To have a triple homicide anywhere in the District of Columbia is an unusual event. To have a triple homicide in Georgetown is extraordinary." I would add that a massacre isn’t supposed to happen in a Starbucks; cafe latte is supposed to happen.
My sources tell me that Jordan gently told Lewinsky not to let her imagination run away with her and assured her that she was in no danger of being murdered on orders from Bill Clinton or anyone associated with Bill Clinton.
According to my sources, Lewinsky wasn’t convinced. When she later met with Jordan in the back of his limousine, Lewinsky is said to have tearfully told him that Linda Tripp believed Vincent Foster didn’t commit suicide, and that neither she nor Tripp wanted to end up like Foster. Jordan is said to have sighed and told Lewinsky she shouldn’t believe everything Tripp says, and that Tripp had to be moved out of the White House because she was a troublemaker.
According to my sources, Lewinsky is now consumed with fear that, having been flushed into the open by Tripp, she has already, so to speak, "killed herself."
And what of the unsolved murder of Caity Mahoney?
A $100,000 reward offered by Starbucks hasn’t caused anyone to come forward.
The police have gotten nowhere. Virginia Mahoney, Caity’s stepmother, worked for six years in the U.S. attorney’s office in Baltimore assisting crime victims’ families. "I’m furious," she says. "If there’s one thing I know, it’s service to crime victims, and we’re not getting it."
With the investigation of Caity Mahoney’s execution at a dead end and Monica Lewinsky on ice while her lawyers try to deal, I have two suggestions:
To the D.C. police:
As reported in the July 25, 1997 SWB, Doris Matsui, the White House official responsible for liaison with the Asian-American community, headed the Asian Pacific American Working Group (APAWG), which
coordinated the activities of the White House, the
Democratic National Committee and the Clinton-Gore re-
election campaign with regard to Asian-Americans.
APAWG, one of whose members was John Huang, came
up with the plan to raise $7 million from Asian-Americans.
Caity Mahoney interned for Doris Matsui. Check it out.
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My comments:
1) Who is this Craig Karpel?
2) What was his second suggestion? (The above post which I copied in its entirety seems to have omitted the second suggestion!) Can anyone locate the original?
3) Heads up to Alamo Girl and the Downside Legacy... Is there a Doris Matsui and DNC fund-raising connection which can be linked to Caity Mahoney?
Actually, I'm sorry to see Klayman's name tied into this nonesense. He's got plenty of good legal avenues into the corrupt Clinton gang without adopting this paranoid raving.
Wonderful Photo of Hillary and her gun!!!!
Air America Acts I-V By C. S. Mahoney??
In 'The MENA Controversy' section of the C.I.A. There are literally 'tons' of links at this site. For information.
the press said "smoking gun, what smoking gun??" and they went on to report that elian was still at disneyworld with his dog "dolphin" while the justice department considered the next move in the continuing saga of the child....e!
...without adopting this paranoid raving.
About sums it up.
Way to go, Star. It's about time we got this one out. Old news but, now, maybe there is hope.
Thanks; good work.
IMHO, this is an absolutely brilliant post. At least, the tabloids show themselves to be a FREE PRESS, reporting many lies, YES! But maybe the tables have turned!
The tabloid liars, with their license for lying, are on the right track, when they deal with this lying Clinton administration. Robert Stack and his "Unsolved Mysteries" did a great show on the horrific murder of Mary Kaitlin Mahoney et al, shortly after the unfortunate tragedy---now there's a guy with a pair between his legs!
What has happened to the art of criminal investigation? I guess, if a counterintelligence agent or PR man tells you to shut up, you had better shut up!
"The scumbag that shot the Starbucks three was caught - he was a career criminal with at this time no connection to the White House."
Maybe. Or maybe he's just a fall guy. There are still many unanswered discrepancies, IMO.
Although it might be a good sign to see this in print, the ONLY reason it is a good sign is because it demonstrates that the White House is taking this issue seriously enough to spin it.
In my opinion, the "reason" that this old story was run in the tabloids is to associate it with "tabloid journalism" and allow the "major" news outlets to "diss" it without further investigation.
Thus, by running the story in the tabloids, the story is effectively killed (in theory). Let's hope we can show that fact sometimes modifies theories, however...
As much as this story seems to be trash and nonsense and innuendo, the sad part is that even the most rational of us thinks: "You just never know with Bill Clinton." He has already proven himself capable of the unthinkable, so none of us owes him the benefit of the doubt...
You asked about the Hoffman book, willyboyishere. It seems his two areas of interest are the OKC bombing and the murder of Mary Caitrin Mahoney (the "Starbucks murders").
Here's what I located on Hoffman in the FR Whitewater archives:
Topic: White Water
'Murdergate: The Presidency and the Politics of Murder.'(MAHONEY) New Book from OKC Bombing Author
Baltimore Sun
Jan 19 1999 Michael James
Baltimore native David Hoffman wrote a book called "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror." Now he's involved in the politics of turmoil.
"I've become the subject of a political prosecution," the 38-year-old author said in a phone interview yesterday from Colorado. "This is a classic case of killing the messenger."
Hoffman said he will turn himself over to Oklahoma City authorities today to answer charges of tampering with a county grand jury that recently met in Oklahoma to investigate the fatal 1995 explosion. The charges have put the little-known writer into the national spotlight.
The grand jury alleges he tried to influence panel members by sending them notes and a copy of his book, which alleges a government cover-up in the bombing. Hoffman also claims government "agent provocateurs" may have aided in the fatal conspiracy by planting military explosives inside the federal building. The same grand jury hearing evidence in the bombing indicted Hoffman.
"It's a much more complex case than the government is letting on," said Hoffman, a 1978 graduate of Pikesville Senior High School who runs an alternative San Francisco-based newspaper, the Haight-Ashbury Free Press. "A lot of people are upset with me because I've been in their face about this issue."
Hoffman is charged with two counts of jury tampering and faces up to two years in jail if convicted. Oklahoma County District Attorney Bob Macy, one of the many people Hoffman alleges is involved in a government conspiracy, couldn't be reached to comment about the grand jury's charges.
Among the allegations Hoffman makes in his book is that the FBI conspired to murder a police officer -- whose death was officially ruled a suicide -- because the officer [Yeakey] knew too much about the bombing.
He also claims he discovered links between the U.S. government and Middle Eastern terrorist organizations, who he said have conspired to bring former Iraqi soldiers into the United States.
Hoffman claims the government either had advance warning about the bombing and did nothing about it or was directly involved in its execution. The reason, he said, is that rogue elements of the U.S. intelligence establishment have an interest in quashing all forms of political dissidence, including that presented by the so-called patriot militia movement.
"The government feels it has got to stop political dissidence," he said. "It will do anything to reinforce the image to the American public that the militia movement is dangerous."
Hoffman is the only person indicted by the Oklahoma County grand jury, which for the past 18 months has reinvestigated the bombing that killed 168 people. The panel concluded there was no wider conspiracy in the case.
The charges aren't stopping Hoffman from planning his next major project, an investigation into the July 6, 1997, killings at a Georgetown Starbucks coffee shop that claimed the lives of Mary Caitrin Mahoney, a Baltimore native, and two others. The 25-year-old woman was shot repeatedly, and the case remains unsolved.
Hoffman says he believes there is a White House connection to the killings and plans to call the book "Murdergate: The Presidency and the Politics of Murder." Mahoney, he said, went to Baltimore's McDonogh School, as he once did.
"I went there for nine years and decided to get out," he said. "They had no girls [at the time] and no drugs."
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Sounds like this guy has a little Jack Thompson in him, a bit wacky but that never meant his charges against Reno were untrue ...
Posted by: icwhatudo (emailname)
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01/19/99 06:18:36 PST
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To: icwhatudo
The story does put things into perspective.
I know an author who knows Hoffman. While the former prefers stealth methods of information gathering, he characterizes Hoffman as a 'bull in a China shop'. Apparently, he is not a shy, retiring guy. If he was looking for recognition, I think he has found it.
From: Boyd () *
01/19/99 06:26:13 PST
Craig Karpel is an excellent researcher/writer. He's publisher (I think he's publisher, maybe just a writer) of a weekly newsletter called Strategic Weekly Briefings. Publius used to post a lot of his articles here, but I don't think SWB appreciated it, so he stopped posting them.
Go to google.com and do a search for craig karpel freerepublic.com. You should get a couple dozen posts back, all of them very informative.
What was his second suggestion?
From this old post:
"He also claims he discovered links between the U.S. government and Middle Eastern terrorist organizations, who he said have conspired to bring former Iraqi soldiers into the United States."
I can confirm that at least one Iraqi paratrooper was arrested in Houston in the past 6 years. I don't know how he got in to this country, or if he had any help, or why he was here, but he went to jail for a white-collar crime (well, mostly white-collar). Although he had a remote and indirect (very indirect) link to NASA, I would have to generally doubt that he was a spook or a brownshirt. I suspect that the Iraqi's are, at best, fodder for wild goose chases (ie, bait for bulls in China shops).
So, the next time Monica rolls her SUV, she should have a bodyguard in tow, right? LOL!
Thanks for the info on Karpel. From my "Google" searches, I located many Karpel cut-and-pastes to FR, but I'd really like an URL directly to Karpel's current e-zine (if he still has one) to see what his current comments are on various more recent issues.
"To Lewinsky: You need bodyguards, lady. Lots of beef, cut thick. The thing to do during a feeding frenzy is not to get eaten."
Of course what she really needed for her protection was publicity, since that would make a "hit" too messy. And that was about the Time that Newsweek spiked her expose story. As a betting man, my money says that Drudge saved her life...
As far as I know, you can't read it on the web. Last I heard, the newsletter cost about $400 a year.
Here's where to get it:
Agora Financial Publishing
1217 Saint Paul St.
Baltimore, MD 21202
FAX: 410-223-2553
From the DSL:
WorldNetDaily 5/4/99 David Bresnahan "...Barbara Wise worked for Brown, well down the chain of command. She was a secretary and worked in an area of Commerce in which she was well aware of the dealings of Brown, Juang, and others…. Barbara Wise was found dead in her office. She was partially clad and blood was evident when she was found on the floor the day after Thanksgiving. An effort was made by Commerce officials and others to portray her as a drunk and abusive to herself. Police investigated it as a homicide until the sudden claim that her death was natural causes......
I'm trying to link Wise with Mahoney. I read somewhere they knew each other and worked together on fundraisers for the DNC.
Thanks... BTW has its name changed?
Re your question on whether caity and Barbara ever did fundraising together, I can't link the two women. There was an age difference of over 20 years... Caity was from Baltimore; Barbara from Gambrills MD. Caity was outgoing, an activist... and Barbara somewhat reclusive.
Caity's stepmother has denied any suggestion that there was any sexual harassment while Caity worked at the WH... so that's a dead end. She was also astounded that Caity's name had appeared on certain "Body Count" lists. I doubt that "Mahoney" was fingered as the "M" intern. I'd say that this family is a dead end as far as getting interviews is concerned.
The one link, however, appears to be that Caity may have worked for/with Doris Matsui, who was well known to Johnny Chung, John Huang, etc. and the DNC. So where is Doris Matsui now? She seems to have disappeared into the wookwork.
Barbara Wise appears to have worked in a section of the DoC which Huang was linked to. Demidog (an FR poster who did extensive work on this case) links Barbara more closely to Ira Sockowitz than to Huang. The WH had refused to turn over to Congress certain papers related to encryption - - Did IS steal these? Did Barbara know the contents? Who knows? I'll post more on this later.
In the meantime, if you are trying to research Barbara Wise, you might want to start with her son Troy. (Demidog found a "Troy Wise" in Baltimore but did not pursue the contact.) Then try her neighbours. This article below actually enables you to find her address:
Washington Times - 11/30/96
By Kristan Trugman & Gary Sheets
DC homicide detectives are investigating the death of a 48 year old secretary in the Commerce Department whose NAKED BODY was found yesterday morning in a fourth floor office.
Barbara Alice Wise of Gambrills, MD was last seen alive at 4pm Wednesday at work, police said.
They sent her body to the DC Medical Examiner's Office to determine how she died. A preliminary autopsy indicated no foul play.
Medical Examiners were waiting for the woman's medical history before making a final determination in her death. Her neighbors in the 900 block of Falls Circle Way described her "as a very sick woman."
'She's at rest now, and she should have some dignity", said Gerie Shenton, Mrs. Wise's next door neighbor for several years. "She was a very good person but she kept to herself."
Mrs. Shenton, who would watch the house when Mrs. Wise went on vacation, said Mrs. Wise had lived in the Gambrills home since 1971.
Gene Gibson, who lived across the street from Mrs. Wise until recently, said Mrs. Wise had "some serious problems." "She was an alcoholic and had been in the hospital a few times for internal bleeding," said Mrs. Gibson.
Law enforcement sources said Mrs. Wise had been known previously to sleep in her office overnight. Bruises on her body were consistent with the ones she could have gotten recently while having bone marrow work performed.
Another neighbor, Pat Borosky, said Mrs. Wise "looked like she was ill last week."
Law enforcement sources said Mrs. Wise had apparently taken off her clothes after defecating on herself. The office door was locked, Commerce officals said. She reportedly had worked about 14 years for the department's International Trade Administration. She was a secretary in the unit.
Anne Luzzato, press secretary for Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor, said Mrs. Wise was found about 8am by an employee.
Here's the old FR link to Demidog's research:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3604ca9c327e.htm
Thanks for the heads up.
In Monica's book, she never once mentions Mary Mahoney. Don't you think that is suspicious? If a lurid murder of my co-worker and friend took place, I think I would mention it autobiographically.
It is kind of like E. Howard Hunt not mentioning the Kennedy assassination in the book Give Us This Day.
Guilt by ommission.
Here's the old FR link to Demidog's research
SANDY!!!
Long time, no BUMB into you.
Best to ya .
;-)
. . . just an early mornin' arkancide BUMP to y'all . . .
BTW. . .
I heard that the latest "pick up line" in Arkansas was . . .
NICE TOOTH!
;-)
Five hundred and thirty five politicians -and their staffs, in Washington DC know:
Do Not Underestimate the Power of a Sitting President.
-or in this case, a dentist and nice teeth.
Suppose this story is not exactly accurate, is their any doubt in any straight thinking person's mind that Bill Clinton is so evil and corrupt he could be guilty of being at the head of a very long list of possible suspects?
"As a betting man, my money says that Drudge saved her life..."
I'd agree to the point of saying that there's no doubt about it whatsoever.......although she's too stupid to realize it. I'd add one more name to Monica's "thank you for my life" list: Linda Tripp.
"NICE TOOTH!"
Works for Me! Of course, you have to have the complete package to be successful.
"In my opinion, the "reason" that this old story was run in the tabloids is to associate it with "tabloid journalism" and allow the "major" news outlets to "diss" it without further investigation. "
Bingo!!! That was my thought, exactly. Isn't there a White House Attorny--Tabloid connection that pretty much give Clinton control on their content? Seems I recall that from FR postings.
It's very sad that the tabloids and the Internet are doing the job that the American TASS media isn't doing.
You said a bundle. It's just a shame that the Globe covering this story will instantly discredit it in the minds of many.
Another article claims the safe had a combination lock. This article claimed it was a key lock and the keys were even in the victims hand? Do you know which is correct? Seems like a fairly easy fact to check though I guess it's possible it had both but that seems unlikely.
From the begining of this story(many months ago). I've wondered why the GLOBE or STAR did'nt pick this story up.
ITS ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME !.
Works for Me! Of course, you have to have the complete package to be successful.
I had assumed, when I initially read this Craig Karpel piece, that his "sources" must be either Linda Tripp's tapes themselves or someone who had heard them (obviously, such tapes would not contain Monica telling something to Vernon Jordan in a car, but she might well have told Linda Tripp what she had said.) Is my memory accurate that the Tripp tapes, as released, had matter deleted because of privacy and other concerns?
End bold!
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Wasn't David Hoffman found in contempt of court or punished somehow for sending copies of his book ("The Oklahoma City Bombing and thye Politics of Terror") to a jury in some court case last year? I wonder if this was really in retaliation for his working on the Mahoney case, if that was really announced in Jan. 1999.
I've read (and heard "Star" reporter Richard Gooding confirm on C-SPAN) that the "National Enquirer" and the recently purchased "Star" are owned by an outfit controlled by FOB, Georgetown classmate, and former Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Roger Altman. This story, however, despite the title, seems to be from the "Globe." I think I've heard that all the tabloids are now controlled by the White House, but I don't know for a fact that that includes the "Globe."
Interesting that the address for ordering Karpel's newsletter is in Baltimore. I wonder if that's where Karpel himself is located. I wonder if he knows David Hoffman.
Now you've done it. You shouldn't have posted my photo in the morning like that.
You've economically damaged the daytime soaps that the ladies like so much. All accross the Country, women will be sitting in front of their computers staring and fantasizing over my glamour photo. They may as well cancel today's soaps. Probably better that than Prime Time getting hit.
Deb thinks Antonio Banderas looks a lot like me. Lucky guy, isn't he?
"In my opinion, the "reason" that this old story was run in the tabloids is to associate it with "tabloid journalism" and allow the "major" news outlets to "diss" it without further investigation. Thus, by running the story in the tabloids, the story is effectively killed (in theory)"
I'll agree and add another reason for WH to dust this one off: to reinforce the hildabeast's NY senate rantings that the VRWC has even accused us of murder, thus defusing the facts.
In my opinion, the "reason" that this old story was run in the tabloids is to associate it with "tabloid journalism" and allow the "major" news outlets to "diss" it without further investigation.
Agreed. If anything, the the fact they're playing up the Monica angle makes it all the more likely that the murder had something to do with the ChiCom money-for-missles deal.
The song is HERE.
The
savage slaying of Mary Caitrin "Caity" Mahoney in a Starbucks
coffee shop two years ago was meant as a warning to shut up Monica Lewinsky
about her affair with Bill Clinton, sources reveal.