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VINCE FOSTER - The Mirage of Suicide and The Reality of Murder

Crime/Corruption Opinion (Published) Keywords: VINCE FOSTER, MURDER, ASSASSINATION, DEATH, CLINTON
Source: The Secret Life of Bill Clinton Book/Variety of Books and Articles
Published: 1997 (Book) and Variety of Dates Author: By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard and Variety of Authors
Posted on 01/23/2000 15:37:05 PST by Uncle Bill

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Chapter Ten - 1997

"SO WHY IS A BRITISH reporter so interested in this when nobody else seems to care?"

"It’s the Rosetta Stone," I replied.

"Huh?"

We walked in silence toward the interior of Fort Marcy Park. The path cuts through a breach in the ramparts, then opens into a clearing. It has the overgrown look of an English country garden, one of those decaying Victorian estates that no longer has a groundskeeper. My guide walked through to the upper grove, where the cannon points toward the CIA.

"The body was right here," he said, impassively. He was straight out with his hands by his side. Funny place to shoot yourself, isn’t it, back here in all this shrubbery?"

"Maybe, maybe not. How much blood?"

"Not a lot. It was on the right shoulder, coming down from the neck. That stuff about a trickle out of the mouth, I don’t know where that came from because I never saw it."

He scanned the bottom of the park, just in case anybody was watching. But he was not unduly nervous.

"What did the exit wound look like?"

At first he did not answer, as if wondering how much to reveal, then he grabbed me by the shoulder.

"That’s all bullsh*t, man. There was no exit wound."

"Nothing?"

"Listen to me, and listen to me hard, ‘cause I’m only going to say this once: Vince Foster was shot right here in the neck," he said, jabbing his finger deep into my flesh, an inch or so below the jawline, about halfway between my ear and my chin.

"Oh."

"Yeah. ‘Oh.’ We’ve all been threatened, you know that?"

"I’d heard that."

"Well it’s true. We’re not allowed to talk to anybody. We’re not even allowed to talk to each other. You understand now? This thing’s big, man."

Miquel Rodriguez kept holding the photograph up in the light, wondering. He knew there was something wrong with it. The resolution was too blurred, even for a blowup of a Polaroid.

All you could see was a smear of blood on the right side of Foster’s neck. It was the mysterious "contact stain" that nobody was able to explain. How had the blood found its way there, against the laws of forensic science, against gravity? It was nagging at him day and night.

The Fiske Report said this blood smear had been "caused by a blotting action." The head must have fallen on the shoulder, and then bounced upright again. But that did not make any sense. There was not enough blood on the upper side of Foster’s right shoulder, and the alignment was all wrong for a mirror transfer effect.

Clutching at straws, the forensic pathology panel brought in by the Fiske investigation had concluded that somebody at the crime scene must have moved the head, and was refusing to admit it. But what did the panel know, or care to know?

Dr. Charles Hirsch, chief medical examiner for New York City and the man called to represent the panel in the 1994 Senate hearings, did not speak to the Park Police or the paramedics who attended the crime scene. He did not interview the medical examiner who did the autopsy. He did not even visit Fort Marcy Park.

He relied on autopsy documents, even though the investigation had been fatally compromised by that stage. It was imperative to go deeper into the case. But Dr. Hirsch barely skimmed the surface. This did not stop him testifying in tones of Olympian authority that Foster died where his body was found. "It is my unequivocal, categorical opinion that it was impossible for him to have been killed elsewhere."

Though they were involved in the most important death investigation since the 1960s, the doctors on the Fiske Report’s forensic panel were remarkably incurious. Perhaps forensic pathology is a more slapdash profession than we laymen had imagined. Or perhaps it is more attuned to politics. These gentlemen certainly have the most rococo resumes I have ever seen. They go on for 67 pages at the end of the Fiske Report, longer than the report itself.

We learn, for example, that Dr. Charles Stahl attended a one-day workshop at the Quillen-Dishner College of Medicine at East Tennessee State University in Johnson City on May 23, 1984. We also learn that he was the guest speaker at the Kiwanis Club of Bristol, Tennessee, on April 21, 1983.

Their resumes are quite revealing. They show that three of the four experts have close ties to the FBI and the Pentagon. Dr. James L. Luke, who essentially ran the panel and furnished it with the case documents, is Forensic Pathologist to the Investigative Support Unit of the FBI. He has a "Top Secret" security clearance.

Miquel Rodriguez, however, was not a fully signed-up member of the Washington power elite. A man of slight stature, a high-pitched voice, Iberian features, and large, round, Pre-Raphaelite eyes, he does not look the part of a tough prosecutor. But he has an almost reverential passion for his work as an Assistant United States Attorney in Sacramento. Clearly, Kenneth Starr did not know quite what he was getting when his young Hispanic—a child of migrant farm workers and a graduate of Harvard Law School—arrived in Washington in the fall of 1994 to take up his new post of Associate Independent Counsel.

Nonconformist in every way, the man even spelled his name with a dash of Portuguese defiance. No, my name isn’t Miguel, it’s Miquel. Please be so good as to get it right.

The job of Rodriguez was to reopen the investigation into the death of Vincent Foster. It was generally agreed that the Fiske investigation was so amateurish that the work would have to be done all over again. But this meant very different things to different people. For Rodriguez it meant starting from scratch with an open mind. For Mark H. Tuohey III, the head of the Office of the Independent Counsel in Washington, it meant accommodating the agenda of the U.S. Justice Department. Rodriguez was astounded when Tuohey, his boss, took him aside and told him that it would be ill-advised to challenge the essential findings of the Fiske Report.

This was to be a "friendly takeover." It would be wrong to understand this as an effort to protect the Clintons. Like most Washington lawyers Tuohey happens to be a Democrat, but that is neither here nor there. In my experience, people of his ilk are first and foremost loyal to the group, and the group is an idiosyncratic subculture of like-minded lawyers. They move in and out of the U.S. Attorney’s office in Washington, D.C. They clerk for the same Supreme Court Justices. They are members of the Metropolitan Club. They are Episcopalians and high Catholics. They are alumni of Georgetown Prep. They do not expose each other’s dirty linen in public. And there was a great deal of dirty linen in the Fiske Report. It had to be finessed as gracefully as possible.

The mission for Miquel Rodriguez, then, was to produce a better suicide report, one that was not so self-evidently mendacious. Whether or not Tuohey already knew the secrets of the Foster case is something that he will have to answer to his conscience, and to history. But it did not look good when he left the Starr investigation in September 1995 to work for the Houston law firm of Vinson & Elkins. As reported by Christopher Ruddy in The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, this was the same firm that was representing the Rose Law Firm—Where Hillary Clinton, Vincent Foster, and Webster Hubbell had been partners—in its dealings with the Office of the Independent Counsel. Vinson & Elkins issued assurances that Tuohey would recuse himself from matters relating to the Rose Law Firm. Very wise. Nobody is accusing Mr. Tuohey of switching sides in the thick of battle, but it goes to show how incestuous this circle of lawyers can be.

At first Rodriguez pretended to be following orders. He went about his business quietly, confiding only in his closest aides at the Washington office of the Independent Counsel. Unlike some of the other prosecutors—aristocratic in their work habits, caught up in the whirl of Georgetown social life—he was spending his evenings combing through the archive of documents in the Foster case, and he did not like what he saw.

It became obvious that the FBI agents who did the nuts and bolts work for the Fiske Report were engaged in a systematic cover-up. Now, a year and a half later, the same FBI agents were still there in the Office of the Independent Counsel, the gatekeepers who controlled access to the witnesses, the documents, the evidence. Yet Kenneth Starr had kept them on, allowing them to be the judge of their own past work.

Rodriguez kept muttering about the photograph. "Is this all there is?" he asked.

Yes, that’s all there is; that’s the original, replied his FBI staff. And so it might have rested if it had not been for the courage of one person in the Office of the Independent Counsel who managed to gain access to the locked files. Hidden inside was a folder of crime scene photographs that had been deliberately withheld from the prosecutor.

Among them was the original Polaroid of Foster’s neck. What it showed was something very different from the "contact stain" in the fraudulent picture that had been circulating. Evidently, somebody had taken a photo of the original and then touched it up to disguise the incriminating evidence. This second-generation copy had then been used to create an enhanced "blow up."

It was blatant obstruction of justice. Indeed it was worse. Whoever had done this was now an accessory after the fact in the death of the Deputy White House Counsel, and they had made the mistake of failing to destroy the original.

Wary of entrusting anything to the FBI crime labs, Rodriguez turned to the Smithsonian Institution for enhancement of the original. The work was done by the Smithsonian’s subcontractor, Asman Custom Photo Service on Pennsylvania Avenue. A set of five "blowups" of the original were made. They revealed a dime-sized wound on the right side of Foster’s neck(his left side) about half way between the chin and the ear. It was marked by a black "stippled" ring—a sort of dotted effect, like an engraving—that was suggestive of a .22 caliber gunshot fired at point blank range into the flesh. (Israeli intelligence once had a case like this when they were interrogating a Palestinian, gun pressed in the neck, and accidently shot the man.)

One medical examiner who looked at the photo thought that the wound might be the result of a 40,000 volt stun-gun, designed to cause temporary paralysis for about fifteen minutes. Fired at short range it can leave burn marks. But it was more likely to be a low caliber gunshot wound. Something had perforated the skin, causing blood to ooze down the side of the neck and into the collar.

The photograph, which I have examined carefully, is one of the few surviving Polaroids taken at Fort Marcy that night. The rest disappeared. This includes most of the Polaroids taken by detective John Rolla.

"I mean, I had them in the office that night, I did reports, and I don’t know what happened….I put them in a jacket, I don’t know."

All of the seven Polaroids taken by Officer Franz Ferstl disappeared. He was the first Park Police officer to photograph the crime scene, and his pictures were a unique record of Foster’s body as it was during the first ten to fifteen minutes after the police arrived. Ferstl believes that he gave them to Sgt. Bob Edwards. That was the last anybody saw of them.

It has never been explained what Sgt. Edwards was doing at Fort Marcy Park in the first place. (The record shows that the Fiske investigation never talked to him.) He was not the shift commander. He was not one of the detectives assigned to the case. Yet there he was, in the shadows, unaccountable, playing a critical role in the events of July 20. "Usually, there’s only one investigator to a scene. This was a little bit unusual as far as I was concerned, four investigators at one spot," said Park Police technician Pete Simonello.

Remember, this was supposed to be a "routine suicide." At that stage nobody was supposed to know that Foster was a top White House official.

All of the official 35 mm photos were "underexposed" and deemed useless. The Park Police technician, Peter Simonello, was no beginner. He had attended about 60 gunshot cases in his eleven years with the "identification unit" of the Park Police. But this time something went wrong. The roll was ruined, even though he used a flash for some of the frames. "We can’t determine whether it was a malfunction in the camera or not," he said. But Simonello admitted that he had never had the camera fixed afterwards and continued using it without further problems.

The FBI, of course, has the technology to enhance underexposed negatives. In this case the crime labs were in fact able to produce a number of 8-by-10s of extremely high quality on Kodak Ultra print paper. They were so crystal clear but they revealed considerable detail. The FBI withheld this information from the Fiske investigation and the independent panel of forensic experts. Instead, it sent a memo stating that "limited detail could be extracted from each of the selected frames."

All that survives is a motley collection of 18 Polaroids. Five of them depict Foster’s grey Honda Accord. The rest are a mix, showing the cannon, the surrounding foliage, Foster’s glasses, the gun in Foster’s hand, and so forth. There is only one Polaroid close-up showing the right side of Foster’s face and neck. It is signed JCR 7/20/93 on the back, indicating that it was taken by Detective John Rolla. This is the Polaroid retrieved from the FBI’s hiding place at the Office of the Independent Counsel.

It is not some stray piece of evidence that contradicts everything else known about the case. The original report by Dr. Donald Haut, the Fairfax County Medical Examiner and the only doctor to visit the crime scene that night, lists the cause of death as a "self-inflicted gunshot wound mouth to neck."

Neck. Mouth to neck. According to the official version of events, Foster blew a 1 by 1 ¼ inch hole in the upper part of his skull. "There is no other trauma identified that would suggest a circumstance other than suicide," concluded Fiske’s panel of pathologists. "It is exceedingly unlikely that an individual of Mr. Foster’s physical stature could have been overcome by an assailant inflicting an intraoral gunshot wound without a struggle and there not to have been some other injury sustained at the time."

Well, gentlemen, evidently there was another injury.

Dr. Haut’s report was not included in the documents released by the Senate Banking Committee. It was discovered in June 1997 at the National Archives by my friends Hugh Sprunt and Patrick Knowlton, of whom more later.

So, what did the paramedics see when they arrived from the McLean Station of the Fairfax County Rescue Department?

"I saw blood all over the right side of the neck, from here down, all over the shoulder, and I saw a small—what appeared to be a small gunshot wound here near the jawline. Fine, whether the coroner’s report says that or not, fine. I know what I saw," said Richard Arthur in a sworn deposition to the Senate Banking Committee.

"Lt. Bianchi told me from orders higher up that I’m not allowed to talk to anybody about this if I value my job," he continued.

"I said, well, what about the CIA, the FBI, and all that stuff?

"He said, ‘You’re not allowed to talk to anybody if you value your job.’ "

Four of the rescue workers testified in secret before the Whitewater grand jury in the spring of 1995 that they saw trauma to the side of Foster’s head or neck. Two of them, including Arthur, described it as a gunshot wound. What they revealed under intensive cross-examination was a far cry from the innocuous observations attributed to most of them in their FBI statements. This information was submitted to Kenneth Starr in a memorandum from Miquel Rodriguez summing up the proceedings of the Whitewater grand jury in Washington.

I look forward to reading the Starr Report, which, as I write, has not been released. His predecessor dismissed eyewitness accounts of trauma to the neck with the following words: "The photographs taken at the crime scene conclusively show there were no such wounds."

A little more ingenuity will be necessary this time.

Corey Ashford had the unpleasant task of moving Foster’s corpse from Fort Marcy Park to the morgue at Fairfax Hospital. It was about 8:10 PM by then, still light. The first team of paramedics in Company One had been and gone long ago. His was the cleanup crew.

It can be a horrible business dealing with a gunshot death. A .38 Special will take the back of your head off. Blood everywhere, brain matter. It was not what he was trained for. An Emergency Medical Services technician, aged 24, his metier was saving people’s lives. But somebody had to do it.

Funny thing, though. He didn’t notice any blood. Ashford picked up the corpse from the shoulders, cradling the head against his stomach as he lifted it into the body bag. Still no blood. He didn’t get a drop of blood on his white uniform, or on the disposable gloves he was wearing for the job. There was no blood on the ground underneath the body, either, that he could see. He coded Foster’s body a homicide on his incident report.

Roger Harrison didn’t see any blood either, as he helped Corey slide Foster’s shoulders into the body bag. No blood on the ground. No blood on the corpse. No blood on anybody who had touched it. The grizzled 19-year veteran of the Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department did not file a hazardous materials report—which is mandatory if there is blood around.

Nobody filed a hazardous materials report. It was almost as if the blood had vanished from the neck between the time that first team of rescue workers left Fort Marcy Park at 6:37 PM, and the second team arrived at 8:02 PM; almost as if somebody had been cleaning up—which, of course, was impossible.

But one thing they could all agree on when they were recounting war stories back at Fire Station One was that nobody saw an exit wound. Corey Ashford didn’t see it. Richard Arthur didn’t see it. Sgt. George Gonzalez didn’t see it. The head was intact.

None of the paramedics saw the "official" 1 by 1 ¼ inch hole in the back of Foster’s skull. They have forensic evidence on their side, too. No bone fragments were ever found behind the head.

Over at the Fairfax County Morgue that night the duty doctor was Julian Orenstein, a charming man who now works as a pediatrician. His job was to verify Vince Foster’s death, nothing else. In his FBI statement taken on May 17, 1994, it says that Dr. Orenstein lifted the body by the shoulders in order to "locate and observe the exit wound on the decedent’s head."

It is a clever construction. Any normal person reading this document would assume that Dr. Orenstein did indeed see the exit wound. But by this stage I was so suspicious of every FD-302 statement taken by the FBI that I decided to call him up at his home in Falls Church, just to be sure.

What did this exit wound look like, I asked him.

"I never saw one directly," he said, clearly taken aback. "The hair was matted with dried blood, but I didn’t get a clear look. I really didn’t spend too much time looking back there; my suspicions weren’t aroused." Indeed.

A few months later I obtained a copy of the handwritten notes of the FBI interviews, which Christopher Ruddy had shaken loose after fighting and winning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Office of the Independent Counsel. There was no mention of Orenstein trying to locate an exit wound. The passage had been inserted into his FD-302 statement. It was another of the clues left by the FBI in the Foster case. Link the little fibs together, and you start to see the anatomy of a cover-up.

There is another clue in the FBI interview of Park Police Detective John Rolla. In the FD-302 write-up provided to the Senate it says "he observed an extensive amount of blood…on the back side of his head." But in the original handwritten notes the description of the back of Foster’s head is redacted. Why on earth would the FBI redact that passage? National Security? It is a clear-cut violation of the FBI’s obligations under the Freedom of Information Act.

After embalming at the Murphy Funeral Home in Arlington, a Defense Department subcontractor, the body went to the Reubel Funeral Home in Little Rock. There it was prepared for final viewing before burial in Foster’s hometown of Hope, Arkansas. The funeral director, Tom Wittenberg, told me that he never looked closely at the body because he was a close friend of Vince Foster’s and the whole ordeal was too distressing. "I checked his hair, face, suit, and hands. That’s all I saw."

But that is not what he told a private investigator in Arkansas in a taped conversation. "What if there was no exit wound at all," he said. "I’m telling you it’s possible there wasn’t."

So, what do the X-rays reveal?

Like the crime scene photos, the X-rays have disappeared. It appears that Dr. James C. Beyer, the Deputy Virginia Medical Examiner, did in fact take X-rays. "Dr. Beyer stated that X-rays indicated there was no evidence of bullet fragments in the head," states a Supplemental Criminal Incident Record of the U.S. Park Police.

The X-ray box on the autopsy report had been ticked "yes." In testimony before the Senate Banking Committee, Dr. Beyer said that he had been planning to take X-rays but never did. "I made out that report prior to actually performing the autopsy. We’d been having difficulty with our equipment, and we were not getting readable X-rays. We had a new machine; we had new grids; we had a new processor."

He went on to say that no X-rays were taken in his coroner’s office between July 6 and July 26, 1993. In other words, the machine had already been out of action for two weeks. He knew it was not working, but he ticked the box anyway.

"Why didn’t you call Fairfax Hospital and arrange for a portable X-ray machine to be brought in for your use in such an important occasion?" asked Senator Lauch Faircloth.

"Because this was a ‘perforating’ gunshot wound. If it had been a ‘penetrating’ one, I would have gotten an X-ray of the head."

"Do what, now?"

Beyer went on to bury the Senator in an avalanche of technical jargon. But Faircloth, a North Carolina hog farmer, would not give up. "How did you tell the Park Police the results of an X-ray that you didn’t take?"

"I don’t recall telling them that statement."

"Well, they do."

"I have no explanation."

"Has Robert Fiske ever talked with you?"

"No, sir."

"How did Robert Fiske decide to believe you instead of the police report? Did he send investigators to the hospital, or to the company that services the X-ray machine?"

"Not that I am aware of."

But by then Senator Faircloth was running out of his allotted five minutes. He was the only Republican on the Banking Committee who asked the relevant questions during the comical one-day show hearings held by the Democrats on July 29, 1994. In a sense Faircloth was "out of order" because the death of Vincent Foster was strictly off limits. Senate Resolution 229 restricted the investigation to questions involving the conduct of the Park Police and "the way in which White House officials handled documents" in Foster’s office.

Needless to say, it is a mantra of the American press that "two congressional committees" have investigated the death and endorsed the finding of suicide. But Congress was specifically precluded from investigating any such thing. How many journalists who write about the subject are aware of Resolution 229? How many have read it? Precious few, I would wager.

Dr. Beyer was 75 years old when he conducted the autopsy on Vincent Foster. In his prime he had worked for the U.S. Army doing 8,000 combat autopsies in the Korean War. He had gone on to do weapons research and conduct studies on body armor. But by now he was making serious mistakes.

He was responsible for the ruling that Timothy Easley committed suicide with a self-inflicted stab wound in 1989. Much to his chagrin, the killer later confessed. Beyer had neglected to mention a visible stab wound on the hand.

Beyer also conducted the autopsy in the highly sensitive death of Tommy Burkett in December 1991. The Fairfax County police ruled that Burkett had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. But the parents had the body exhumed. A second autopsy found extensive signs of trauma, including a badly broken jaw, a bludgeoned right ear, multiple skull fractures. The parents wrote Beyer a public letter calling him a "liar."

"He denied that there were any autopsy photos after my husband had seen them right there in his office," said Beth Burkett, the boy’s mother. "As far as we’re concerned he’s just a stooge for the FBI."

Miquel Rodriguez tipped his hand too soon. He should have watched and waited, quietly amassing such overwhelming evidence that there could be no turning back. But he did not know how to play the two-faced Washington game, and he certainly did not try. He treated his superiors with open contempt.

"I’m not going to take orders from the lapdog of a lapdog," he was heard snapping at John Bates, the bespectacled clerk appointed by Mark Tuohey III to be number two in the Washington office. He made enemies.

The first thing he noticed were little roadblocks left in his path. His requests for subpoenas were being held up. He was unable to call witnesses before the grand jury in a timely fashion. He was even having trouble obtaining Foster’s credit card and travel records. Then the campaign of leaks began. In February 1995, planted stories started appearing in the Washington press alleging that he had been badgering the Park Police officers at the grand jury. It was half-true. He had been reading them the perjury statutes in a deliberately pointed manner. With good reason. Their accounts were flatly contradicted by the Fairfax County paramedics, who had no obvious incentive to lie. One Park Police officer ultimately broke ranks under cross-examination and testified that the crime scene had been tampered with after he arrived.

The word was put out that Rodriguez was unstable. It was whispered that his conduct was becoming unprofessional. Drip, drip, drip—news stories started appearing that Kenneth Starr had concluded his investigation into the death of Foster and would soon be issuing a suicide report.

Rodriguez was, of course, being roasted slowly on the Beltway spit. It is how the permanent government of the United States deals with people who refuse to submit. Hundreds have been through the ordeal before him. Even senators. Even the Director of the FBI, as William Sessions can attest.

So Rodriguez went to see Kenneth Starr. This was not an easy thing to do. The Independent Counsel was exceedingly busy representing Hughes Aircraft, Bell Atlantic, General Motors—the whole corporate roster. He has continued to earn about $1 million a year from his private work for Kirkland & Ellis, his Chicago-based law firm.

Starr did not behave according to the precedent set by earlier prosecutors burdened with the unique trust of examining the President. Leon Jaworski had dedicated himself full-time to the Watergate probe. Lawrence Walsh had done the same during Iran-Contra. Even Robert Fiske, for all his sins, had shelved his private practice for the duration of this special task. They all understood, instinctively, that they were called upon to make some sacrifice for the republic and its citizens. Decorum demanded no less.

Not Kenneth Starr. During the Whitewater trial of Susan McDougal, he was defending the interests of the NFL Players Association at the Supreme Court. During crucial grand jury testimony about the First Lady’s handling of Rose Law billing records Starr was busy preparing to argue a case for General Motors. He continued to represent Phillip Morris at a time when the tobacco industry was fighting off the threat of regulation by the Food and Drug Administration.

This last case was not exactly a conflict of interest, but as Ralph Nader argues in his book No Contest: Corporate Lawyers and the Perversion of Justice in America it stands to reason that the Whitewater investigation gave Starr a degree of suasion over the executive branch of the U.S. government. It strikes me that the criticisms leveled against Kenneth Starr by Nader, The Nation, and other voices on the Left are entirely to the point. This is not a man who understands the nature of his duty.

Juggling so many balls in the air left him little time for the Washington office of the Independent Counsel. His thoughts were focused on the Little Rock office of the Whitewater investigation, the one that has secured all the convictions so far: Webb Hubbell, Governor Jim Guy Tucker, and Susan and Jim McDougal, among others. The Washington office has not brought a single indictment. It is an odd appendage, a clique of friends from the U.S. Attorney’s office in D.C., known more for their leaks and cozy relationship with the Washington press corps than the conduct of useful business. It was this office that was in charge of the Foster case.

Clearly, Starr had been assured a long time ago that there was nothing to Foster’s death. He was none too pleased when Miquel Rodriguez started sending memos warning that there was something deeply wrong. Starr was charming, of course. The son of a Texas, small-town, Church of Christ minister, he is a delightful man, and a devout Christian. But he had no idea what to do when Rodriguez told him that an original Polaroid showed a wound in the neck, and that renegade elements of the FBI were covering up the case.

Rodriguez resigned on March 20. His closest aide resigned in sympathy. He returned to his old job in Sacramento, refusing to give interviews to the press. By all accounts he was philosophical in defeat. There is only so much a single human being can do. Life moves on.

The grand jury was disbanded and sent home. It was replaced by a new jury with no knowledge of the peripatetic gun, or the missing photos, or the wound in the neck.

A second campaign of leaks was launched, this time announcing that the Foster suicide report was ready. It continued for another two and a half years, the longest sustained leak in the history of the Washington Beltway. One after another the major newspapers and TV networks came out with premature stories announcing that the Starr Report would be released shortly. When it never came, Starr’s aides said it had been delayed because of the "Foster crazies" out there. Few reporters stopped to think about this. Why was Starr concerned about the "crazies"? Why would he allow that to influence the timing of his report by one minute, let alone two and a half years?

In March 1997 the Washington Bureau Chief for The Los Angeles Times, Jack Nelson, announced that the Starr Report was finally ready. "It puts the lie to that bunch of nuts out there spinning conspiracy theories and talking about murder and cover-ups," said an unnamed source, in the third paragraph.

I wonder if Jack Nelson was even aware of Miquel Rodriguez when he wrote that article. Was the prosecutor who actually investigated the case, and who conducted the cross-examination in front of the grand jury, reduced to nothing more than a "nut"? Was it really as simple as that?

It sometimes appeared the Starr team had spent more time spinning the media than actually investigating the Foster case. While the Washington office was leaking that the suicide report was coming, the Little Rock office was craftily leaking a very different story. Hickman Ewing, the Deputy Independent Counsel for the South—well-advertised as a Baptist, teetotaler, incorruptible prosecutor—was sent out as an ambassador to the "Foster crazies" to reassure them that the matter was still being investigated seriously.

When this started wearing thin in the spring of 1996, it was announced that a new prosecutor had been appointed to review the whole Foster case. His name was Steven Parker, a Ewing protégé from the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Memphis. Much was made of the fact that he was a "homicide expert." Hickman Ewing even ventured so far as to say: "There remain questions about Foster’s death….Was it a murder? Or was it a suicide? Either way, why?"

Talk radio went wild for a few days. Right-wingers toasted Hickman Ewing all over again. It was Hickman this, and Hickman that, and Hickman would save civilization. But it was all eyewash. The case had been closed long before. Hickman Ewing was a team player.

Even as Ewing spoke about remaining questions, the San Diego Medical Examiner, Dr. Brian Blackbourne, was wrapping up his independent review of the case. I asked him if he had been provided with the original Polaroid showing a black stippled wound on the side of Foster’s neck.

No, he said, he had not been given anything like that.

The most important piece of crime scene evidence remained locked in a file.
[END OF TRANSCRIPT]

THE FOLLOWING EXCERPTS ARE TAKEN FROM THE DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER - WHAT REALLY HAPPENED? BY JEREMIAH FILMS, INC.

GENE WHEATON - Special Agent - U.S. Army, C.I.D. - Excerpts from The Death of Vince Foster - What Really Happened? video produced by Jeremiah Films Inc. in 1995.

Narrator: Gene Wheaton, retired U.S. Special Agent with the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, has more than 35 years experience as a homicide investigator. He spent several weeks in Washington investigating the Foster case.

Nineteenth Excerpt:
Gene Wheaton: "I would think that the American public uh, would become a little incensed at, at the tendency of the national media to assist in cover-ups of this type of thing, instead of just accepting them at face value. The national media has made extraordinary efforts to downplay this investigation of Vince Foster and to accept this ludicrous uh, Fiske Report . The national media is so controlled in the United States, they are wimps, who go along with the power structure of the country, and assist in cover-ups by acts of omission in failing to do their duty, and, when they accepted the Fiske Report at face value, when it’s so blatantly inconsistent with the facts."

CLINTON’S LAST PHONE CALL TO FOSTER

All these inconsistencies in the Foster cover-up involve Bill Clinton’s conflicting versions of his final conversation with Foster. When first asked, Clinton said he couldn’t remember when he last spoke with Foster or what was discussed.
Number 1 version:
Date of call: Unknown
Purpose of call: Unknown

When he was asked a second time he claimed he spoke with Foster Sunday night, 2 days before his death.
Number 2 version:
Date of call: Sunday, July 18
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie

Clinton redrafted his story a third time, changing the date of his call to Monday, the night before Foster’s death. According to Time Magazine, at this point Clinton still maintained he was unaware of Foster’s depression.
Number 3 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: Invite Foster to movie

When the White House Press Office announced depression as the reason behind Foster’s suicide, Clinton then redrafted a 4th version claiming the purpose of this call was to cheer up his friend.
Number 4 version:
Date of call: Monday, July 19
Purpose of call: To cheer up Foster

The question becomes, not "if" Clinton lied, but why he lied.

Excerpt Below: The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard:

"I once asked a gathering of thirty Washington journalists what they considered to be the most compelling evidence that Vincent Foster committed suicide. There was a brief silence, then somebody said: ‘Well, he was depressed.’

It was a very good answer. The depression is all they have, and by ‘they’ I mean Fiske, Starr, the Justice Department, the White House, The Washington Post, the governing class. Take that away, and there is nothing left to sustain the ruling of suicide. Nothing."

" ‘Pontius Pilate of the Potomac’ –is how Starr was described in a blistering denunciation by James Davidson, the editor of the newsletter Strategic Investment. ‘Starr will fade, but he will not be forgotten. Historians will certainly have something to say about him. ‘When The Decline and Fall of the United States’ is written, Starr will merit a chapter. He will be seen as a weak, temporizing man who lacked the force of character to confront a corrupt system.’ "

THE PARKS MURDER - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
SUDDEN INSTANT DEATH SYNDROME - A Clinton Disease
The Rise of the FBI and the Fall of the Republic
Clinton’s Still Haunted By FBI Files Scandal - FBI Files Links
THE OCTOPUS - The Tentacles of Corruption

Foster Death Report Sees Professional "Hit" - [Court Unseals 511-Page Document Charging Obstruction of Justice] - (Make Sure To View The Links At The Bottom of the Page) - WorldnetDaily - Sept. 15, 1999
New Evidence Exposes Vince Foster Murder - Washington Weekly - October 26, 1998
Vince Foster Was Murdered, Say Experts - The Electronic Telegraph - May 1, 1995
America’s Dreyfus Affair - The Case of The Death of Vincent Foster [All Parts Linked] - By David Martin
101 Peculiarities Surrounding the Death of Vincent Foster - Richard L. Franklin - Oct. 4, 1999
STREET FASCISM - (Patrick Knowlton) - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard - The Secret Life of Bill Clinton (Chapter 12) - 1997
Vince Foster FBI Files On-Line - APB News.com
The Preliminary Fiske Report - Note that Fiske's report was only preliminary. His final report on Vincent Foster remains sealed. When the Wall Street Journal filed a Freedom Of Information Act request to force the release of Fiske's final report, the court, in an unprecedented prior restraint, ordered the Wall Street Journal not to report on the case, or to even mention what the final ruling actually was. This illegal prior restraint is one of the indicators, which reveals how terrified the government is of the facts behind the death of Vincent Foster.

The Starr Report - The Death of Vince Foster - The Washington Post
The Starr Report Addendum
Dr. Haut’s Falsified Death Report
The Beyer Autopsy Report: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.
PROOF THAT X-RAYS WERE TAKEN:
7. 8.
Medical Examiner Gives Contradictory Testimony in Foster and Burkett Cases
The Death of Tommy Burkett
Dr. Beyer’s Connection to the FBI

Hugh Sprunt - Citizen’s Investigative Report (CIR)

THE ALLAN J. FAVISH WEBSITE/ARTICLES
Allan J. Favish
Attorney at Law
2813 S. Bentley Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90064-4003
Voice & Fax: (310) 479-8764
E-mail at: allanf8702@aol.com
E-mail at: ajfavish@worldnet.att.net

The Allan J. Favish Website
The Other Starr Report - WorldnetDaily - Oct. 27, 1999
Will Starr Find A Smoking Gun In The Vincent Foster Case?
Anatomy of the Head Wound - An Analysis of Robert Bracci's Discovery - By Hugh Sprunt
. Sprunt on Bracci's Discovery re Vince Foster's Wounds - [Thread # 1]
. Sprunt on Bracci’s Discovery re Vince Foster’s Wounds - [Thread #2]
. Sprunt on Bracci’s Discovery re Vince Foster’s Wounds - [Thread #3]
. Sprunt on Bracci’s Discovery re Vince Foster’s Wounds - [Thread #4]
Explanation of the Haut Report
FOIA Complaint to Inspect Original Haut Report
Freedom of Information Act Guide - September, 1998
Newly Released Photo Index Regarding The Death of Vincent Foster
Caught: A Falling Starr
The Starr Report - Billy Beck Website
Allan J. Favish Homepage
FOSTER'S NECK WOUND PROVEN! - [FR Thread] - July 20, 1997
Secret Service Responds to Favish FOIA Regarding Foster Video - Nov. 25, 1998
VINCENT FOSTER: ALLEN FAVISH SCORES AGAIN! - Nov. 26, 1998
Alleged Foster Bullet Trajectory - Allan Favish, Hugh Sprunt, John Moore - Mar. 17, 1999
Ninth Circuit to Hear Oral Argument in Vincent Foster FOIA Case on November 1, 1999 - Oct. 1, 1999
New Vincent Foster FOIA Lawsuit To Inspect Original Version of the Haut Report - Jan. 3, 2000

FBI COVER-UP.COM WEBSITE
Contact John Clarke at: clarke@worldnet.att.net
Contact Hugh Turley at: turley@acninc.net
Contact Patrick Knowlton at: pjk@mciworld.com

FBI COVER-UP.COM Website
Frequently Asked Questions About the Foster Case
Photographs, Illustrations and Audio
Failure of the Public Trust Archive - Summary of the Report
The Starr Report Addendum
Related Documents
Related Articles
What You Should Do!
The Patrick Knowlton Case - Links
Vince Foster - Historic Addendum to Starr Report on Death - Jan. 21, 2000
Foster Excerpt: "The Congress" - Sept. 27, 1999
FOSTER: Anatomy of the Suicide Conclusion - Nov. 7, 1999

J. C. HUNTINGTON WEBSITE
J.C. Huntington Website

Please see this site. It has some great information and very professional graphics related to the Vince Foster Death. There is also some great information concerning the cover-up of Kenneth Starr.

MICHAEL RIVERO WEBSITE/ARTICLES
The Death of Vince Foster - Evidence of a Cover-Up - Michael Rivero’s Foster Page

NOTE: There is a great deal of information regarding the gun(s) at issue regarding the death of Vince Foster on Rivero’s Foster page.

The Death of Vincent Foster - July 20, 1997
Foster Murdered, Starr Sex Case Equal Clinton Clean Out - By Michael Rivero - Aug. 27, 1998
Vincent Foster: Why it Matters - By Michael Rivero - Oct. 20, 1998
VINCENT FOSTER: DOES COVER-UP REALLY MEAN HOMICIDE? - By Michael Rivero - Oct. 21, 1998
A Possible Scenario For The Murder Of Vince Foster - By Michael Rivero - Jan. 6, 1999
Ken Starr - The Clinton’s Accomplice---The Vince Foster Cover-Up - By Michael Rivero - July 5, 1999

AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD ARCHIVE
The Death of Vincent Foster Archive - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s Articles on Clinton
Archive of Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Articles
Hill Ties Up Ends Left Behind By Vince’s Rapid-Onset Of Cranial Lead Infection - March 22, 1995
VINCE FOSTER WAS MURDERED, SAY EXPERTS - May 1, 1995
Vince Foster's Secret Life - May 22, 1995
Secret Swiss link To Vince Foster Death - May 22, 1995
Riddle of Spooks in the White House - Jan. 29, 1996
Private Investigator[Jerry Parks] Hired By Foster - July 15, 1996
The Vince Foster case - an interview with Ambrose Evans-Pritchard - Mar. 19, 1997
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Interview - Jim Quinn show - April 24, 1997
The Vince Foster Case - An Interview With Ambrose Evans-Pritchard - July 20, 1999

CHRISTOPHER RUDDY /NEWSMAX ARCHIVE
Newsmax Vince Foster Archives - Christopher Ruddy
Vince Foster Reports - Pittsburgh Tribune - Christopher Ruddy
Investigative Reporters Say Clinton Being Protected - Jan. 22, 1997
Visit to Hope reveals doubts of Foster's suicide - Mar. 30, 1997
ANALYSIS: Court date nears for Foster witness - April 7, 1997
The Unanswered Questions in the Foster Case - June 27, 1997
A MEMO: The Unanswered Questions in the Foster Case - June 28, 1997
"Starr report on Foster no surprise" Center says - July 15, 1997
Analysis: Starr's Report on Foster Death Questionable - July 20, 1997
ANALYSIS: Foster update: Liberals among those who doubt - Aug. 13, 1997
The Strange Death of Vincent Foster - Aug. 19, 1997
Interview with Christopher Ruddy on Quinn Show - Sept. 22, 1997
THE STRANGE DEATH OF VINCENT FOSTER [review] - Sept. 28, 1997
Troopers Won’t Budge on Foster’s Death - Nov. 4, 1997
Troopers won't budge on Foster death - Nov. 4, 1997
The Slander Campaign Against Ruddy - Jan. 6, 1998
ADD JACOB COHEN ILL-READ RUDDY PONTIFICATORS - Jan. 6, 1998
FOSTER BOOK AUTHOR CHALLENGES HILLARY CLINTON - Jan. 27, 1998
Zogby Poll: Nearly 70% of Americans Don't Accept Foster Suicide - Feb. 23, 1998
Now, Starr Can't Ask McDougal about Foster - Mar. 18, 1998
Positive Review of Ruddy and Evans-Pritchard books - March, 1998
Nathan Landow - Democratic Power Broker Under New Press Scrutiny - Mar. 29, 1998
Carville: Ruddy is Number One 'Antagonist' of Clinton White House - Mar. 31, 1998
Vince Foster, If You Only Knew - May 18, 1998
Vince Foster's Role - Oct. 5, 1998
Christopher Ruddy's Open Letter to Linda Tripp - Oct. 8, 1998
LINDA TRIPP TESTIFIES ABOUT FOSTER & PARKS MURDERS - Oct. 8, 1998
Tripp Testifies of Foster Death Cover-up; Murder of Jerry Parks - Oct. 8, 1998
Tripp Testifies on Vince Foster - Oct. 8, 1998
Reports Tie Clinton Sexcapades to Foster's Death - Nov. 23, 1998
FOSTER : Find the XRAYS or EXHUME the BODY - Jan. 23, 1999
Link Suggested Between Foster & Colby Deaths - March 12, 1999
The Aborted Chinagate Search: Deja Foster? - June 11, 1999 - Carl from Oyster Bay
Chris Ruddy: Analysis: Janet Reno -- the Cornerstone of the Clinton Cover-ups - June 14, 1999
Vince Foster's death: What, and when, did White House know? - July 20, 1999
Did Affair Neuter Newt on Foster, Brown, and ChinaGate? - Aug. 13, 1999
Hillary and Vince Foster: Too Close For Comfort - Sept. 22, 1999
Foster Was Murdered, Trooper Says - Sept. 23, 1999
Foster Was Murdered, Trooper Says - Sept. 23, 1999
Starr’s Investigators Voice New Doubts On Foster "Suicide" - Dec. 20, 1999
Clinton In Foster’s Office? - Dec. 29, 1999
Foster Case Friends Help Hillary Move - Jan. 5, 2000
I Did Not Have Sex With That Man, Vince Foster: Hillary - Jan. 20, 2000

WASHINGTON WEEKLY ARCHIVE
The Vince Foster File Archive - The Washington Weekly
NEW EVIDENCE ON FOSTER COVER-UP - Mar. 3, 1997
Court Orders Vince Foster Papers Released - Sept. 1, 1997
THE ANATOMY OF A COVER-UP: Ruddy's New Book Explains The Foster Fiasco Sept. 29, 1997
COURT UNDERMINES STARR'S FINDINGS IN FOSTER CASE - Adds Addendum By Key Witness Dismissed By Starr - Oct. 13, 1997
Associated Press 'Told' What To Write On Foster Report - Oct. 20, 1997
THE KNOWLTON ADDENDUM Unexplained Mysteries of the Foster Case - Nov. 3, 1997
ESTABLISHMENT FIRES BACK AT EVANS-PRITCHARD'S BOOK - Dec. 8, 1997
FBI Conspiracy In Foster Death Investigation - Feb. 15, 1998
LINDA TRIPP AND VINCE FOSTER - May 11, 1998
Marsha Scott 'spent almost the entire day with Vince Foster the day before his death' - Vanity Post about Washington Weekly Article and Interview Forthcoming - May 16, 1998
Vince Foster, Five Years After - July 19, 1998
Foster Link Apparent in Tripp Filegate Bombshell - Gary Aldrich Confirms Possible White House Motive - July 26, 1998
Foster Link Apparent in Tripp Filegate Bombshell - Gary Aldrich Confirms Possible White House Motive - July 27, 1998
VINCE FOSTER AND THE DARKER ASPECTS OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE - Aug. 16, 1998
New Evidence Exposes Vince Foster Murder - Victim Not Shot With .38 Caliber Revolver - Oct. 25, 1998
New Evidence Exposes Vince Foster Murder - Oct. 26, 1998
NEW EVIDENCE EXPOSES VINCE FOSTER MURDER - Oct. 26, 1998
New Evidence Exposes Vince Foster Murder - Oct. 26, 1998
What Happened to Vince Foster/Court Ruling Provides the Answer - Oct. 26, 1998
Vince Foster-'Dr. Haut Admits Recording Neck Wound, Denies Speaking of Murder' - Nov. 2, 1998
Vince Foster- 'Dr. Haut Admits Recording Neck Wound, Denies speaking of Murder' - Nov. 2, 1998
Source Alleges Initial Murder Conclusion in the Vince Foster Case - Nov. 2, 1998
Secret Service Denies Having Records of Vince Foster's Last Day - Nov. 30, 1998
Secret Service Denies Having Records of Vince Foster's Last Day - Nov. 30, 1998
Where are the Foster Videos? - Nov. 30, 1998
Vince Foster Revisited - Court Unseals 500-Page Exposure of Cover-Up - Wesley Phelan - Sept. 19, 1999

WORLDNETDAILY ARCHIVE
The WorldnetDaily Website
Foster witness stands by story: Knowlton responds to pressure by suing FBI - June 25, 1997
Why Foster Death Still Haunts Us - July 17, 1997
Last hope for real Foster probe - Sept. 15, 1997
Shroud of secrecy in Foster case - Oct. 1, 1997
Foster report raises more questions than it answers - Oct. 20, 1997
FBI official in Foster case promoted - Oct. 28, 1997
FBI Official In Foster Case Promoted - Oct. 28, 1997
New Twist In Unraveling Foster Cover-Up - Nov. 13, 1997
Connecting Tailgate and Fostergate - Feb. 9, 1998
Suit Filed to Open Foster Files - Feb. 13, 1998
Suit filed to open up Foster files - Feb. 13, 1998
Suit Filed to Open up Foster Files - Feb. 13, 1998
Still lots of doubts about Foster - Feb. 23, 1998
Poll shows public doubts Foster findings - Feb. 23, 1998
Court Orders Starr to Release Foster Photos - March 11, 1998
New questions in Foster's death - Mar. 30, 1998
Nobody can explain Foster inconsistencies; Investigators refuse responsibility for new FBI details - April 7, 1998
A tragedy of a book , Moldea's dishonest, deceitful con job on Foster case - May 14, 1998
DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES (RON BROWN, VINCE FOSTER) - Sept. 23, 1998
Foster witness amends lawsuit: Autopsy doctor, FBI official new defendants - [Patrick Knowlton] - Oct. 22, 1998
A plea to reopen Foster probe - Nov. 17, 1998
Foster Death Report Sees Professional "Hit" - Sept. 15, 1999
Foster Death Report Sees Professional "Hit" [Court unseals 511 page document charging obstruction of justice] - Sept. 15, 1999
Foster Death Report Sees Professional "Hit" [Court unseals 511 page document charging obstruction of justice] - Sept. 15, 1999
Foster Death Report Sees Professional "Hit" [Court seals 511 page document charging obstruction of justice] - Sept. 15, 1999
Vince Foster Medical Report Withheld - Jan. 11, 2000

ACCURACY IN MEDIA
Accuracy in Media Website
Accuracy In Media Foster Articles
Hillary and the Forgery - The Suicide Note
C-Span Breaks Media Blackout On Foster Case - Accuracy in Media - Oct. 30, 1997
Truth About Foster Case Could Still Emerge - Accuracy in Media - Oct. 31, 1997
What? No Exit Wound? - April 1, 1998
New Civil Suit re-opens the Vincent Foster Investigation! - Patrick Knowlton Case - Accuracy in Media - Oct. 26, 1998

HUGH SPRUNT ARCHIVE
Hugh Sprunt - Citizen’s Investigative Report (CIR)
THE VINCENT FOSTER DEATH MYSTERY - THE GLENDALE BAR ASSOCIATION - July 25, 1997
Sept 29th Letter to U.S. COURT OF APPEALS Re: Starr's Foster Report - Hugh Sprunt - Oct. 10, 1997
A Washington Tragedy - A Book Review by Hugh Sprunt - WorldnetDaily - May 12, 1998
Hugh Sprunt Report: Info and Musings Re: Vince Foster - Aug. 14, 1998
Trio Still Seeking Answers About Foster - Dallas Morning News - July 6, 1999

J. ORLIN GRABBE ARCHIVE
J. Orlin Grabbe Website
Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying - Dec. 1996 - [All parts documented in this thread]
Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying, Part XVII
VINCE FOSTER, NSA, BANKING & SPYING . . .PART II - The Fostergate Investigations
Vince Foster and the NSA - Charles Smith
Parallels Between the Deaths of Tommy Burkett and Vince Foster - By Hugh Turley - Dec. 7, 1997

NICK’S FOSTER ARCHIVES
The Death of Vince Foster Archives

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ARCHIVE
Who Is Vincent Foster? - #2 in a series - June 17, 1993
The Foster Test - # 3 in a series - Jan. 14, 1994
Mr. Foster & Mr. Livingstone - lest we forget - July 12, 1996
In RE: Vincent Foster - Nov. 25, 1997

THE WASHINGTON TIMES ARCHIVE
Police not told of Foster office search - July 21, 1995
Foster killed himself, says Starr report - July 16, 1997
Vince Foster’s Ghost - Sept. 29, 1997
The Starr report on Vincent Foster - Oct. 14, 1997
Maybe Vince Foster Was The Smart One - Oct. 14, 1997
Secret Service Agent Testified In Wake Of Foster's Death - Feb. 27, 1998
Haunted by Vince Foster's Notes - April 2, 1998
HATCH DISCUSSES CLINTON'S WAY OUT - Aug. 3, 1998

THE LOS ANGELES TIMES ARCHIVE
It's Paranoia, Not Conspiracy in Foster Case - Christopher Ruddy - Jan. 28, 1997
Starr Report Rules Out Foul Play in Foster Death - Feb. 23, 1997
Starr and Foster: The Increasingly High Price of Public Service - Mar. 2, 1997
Those Conspiracy Clowns Make a Fool of Ted Koppel - The New York Observer - Mar. 17, 1997
Foster Committed Suicide, Report Issued By Starr Says - October 11, 1997
High Court to Hear Foster-Notes Dispute - Mar. 31, 1998

VARIOUS OTHER FOSTER ARTICLES
Vince Foster and Travelgate--One Week Prior to His Death - Bob Dole Statement on Senate Floor - July 14, 1993
Mystery at Fort Marcy Park - G. Gordon Liddy - April, 1994
The Debra von Trapp Allegations - Conspiracy Nation - 1995
Dark Implications of the Foster Assassination - John Moore - 1995
Copies of Notes on Foster's Papers Stolen in Break-In - AP - July 15, 1995
The Phantom of the Foster Story - Insight Magazine - Nov. 27, 1995
The Phantom of the Foster Story - Insight Magazine - Nov. 27, 1995
Foster - Boorda : Disturbing Parallels - John Moore Compilation - 1996
CBS '60 Minutes' Distorts Foster Evidence - Fiske Report and CBS '60 Minutes' Broadcast - 1996
VINCE FOSTER - Unsolved Mysteries Shows Repeat Tonight - Robert Stack - Mar. 22, 1996 [Repeat]
Closure On Vince Foster - Feb. 24, 1997
GEORGE PUTNAM and RAY BRIEM interview AMBROSE EVANS-PRITCHARD on the FOSTER piece from the LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH - Mar. 3, 1997
CHARGING CLINTON ON FOSTER - Internet Newsgroup - Mar. 18, 1997
Foster, Sockowitz, Tenet and Missing Top Secret Documents Linked to Systematics and Indonesian Billionaire - SoftWar, Charles Smith - March 26, 1997
Proof of Homicide in the Case of Vincent Foster - Newsgroups: alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater - March 26, 1997
FARAH IS BRACED FOR A WHITEWASH ON FOSTER SCANDAL - POSTnet - The Sacramento Bee - By Dan Smith - Mar. 29, 1997 Whitewater defeat for First Lady - Hugh Davies - The Electronic Telegraph - June 24, 1997
Vince Foster - Note Writer - Rodger Schultz [FR Poster] - July 1, 1997
Starr Concludes Foster Death Was Suicide - The Washington Post - July 16, 1997
Starr agrees Foster died by own hand; friends hope report finally settles issue - Arkansas Democrat Gazette - July 16, 1997
Foster's Death: Still Plenty of Questions - Investor’s Business Daily - July 17, 1997
Leo Wanta: Explosive Evidence in Foster Case and Corruption in Washington - CAS Mailing List - Tom from Venice on Putnam & Briem Shows - July 21, 1997
A VINCE FOSTER COVER-UP? NOT SUCH A CRAZY NOTION - New York Observer - Aug. 11, 1997
Prosecutors may get peek at Foster notes on travel office - Nando Net - Aug. 29, 1997
Some Foster Notes Ordered Released - The Washington Post - Aug. 30, 1997
Perry, Patterson and Davis Affidavits Re: Foster Death - Doug From Upland - Sept. 9, 1997
The Death of Vince Foster - Thomas Sowell - Sept. 18, 1997
Court Won't Reconsider Foster Notes - CNN - Sept. 21, 1997
VINCE FOSTER AND THE NSA - Spy Agency Hiding Evidence? - Softwar, Charles Smith - Sept. 22, 1997
Strategic Weekly Briefings' Review of "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" - Oct. 6, 1997
The Media Blackout on Vince Foster's Death - Media Research Center - Oct. 6, 1997
Starr Reiterates that Foster Died in Suicide - Fox News - Oct. 10, 1997
Starr's Foster Report: New evidence about Foster's depression - Fox News - Oct. 10, 1997
Report on Foster's Suicide Portrays a Depressed Man - The New York Times - Oct. 11, 1997
Excerpt From Independent Counsel's Report on Foster's Death - The New York Times - Oct. 11, 1997
Starr Probe Reaffirms Foster Killed Himself - The Washington Post - Oct. 11, 1997
Foster Death Mystery Grows Following Starr's Report - The Progressive Review - Oct. 15, 1997
Media Snub Foster Book - Pittsburgh Tribune Review - Oct. 19, 1997
Starr's Vince Foster Report is a Cover-up says Chris Ruddy - Michael Reagan’s Hot Topics - Oct. 20, 1997
'Hardball' goes Soft on Foster - CAS Mailing List - Carl of Oyster Bay - Oct. 21, 1997
Geoff Metcalf interview of Ambrose Evans Pritchard - Oct. 28, 1997
Foster Suicide Case a Test of Lawyer-Client Privilege - N.Y. Times - Nov. 3, 1997
"Did You Know..." ...about Vince Foster? (part one) - Wayne F. Sweitzer - November 7, 1997
Foster Fadeout on the Web - Forbes - November 11, 1997
Vince Foster: Jacob Cohen and "The National [Cursory] Review" - Michael Gallutia [FR Poster] - Dec. 1, 1997
THE FOSTER DEATH: U.S. JOURNALISTS OPERATING UNDER A "D-NOTICE?" - Conspiracy Nation - Dec. 5, 1997
Conservatives argue over pursuing Foster case - Nando - Dec. 6, 1997
TRIPP TESTIMONY INDICATES SHE SAW HILLARY CLINTON'S ROSE LAW FIRM BILLING RECORDS IN FOSTER'S SAFE IN WHITE HOUSE - Judicial Watch - Jan. 5, 1998
Foster would have been `critical witness' in travel office probe - AP - Jan. 17, 1998
Tripp testified about Foster death - Arkansas Democrat Gazette - Jan. 22, 1998
COUP ON DC, 1993, Part 1 - Foster’s Death - FR Poster Arthur Wildfire - Feb. 11, 1998
COUP ON DC, 1993, Part 2 - Foster’s Death - FR Poster Arthur Wildfire - Feb. 11, 1998
Starr Seeks Access To Foster’s Notes - AP - Feb. 17, 1998
Starr Seeks Quick Access To Foster Notes - USA Today - Feb. 18, 1998
Colombo: Case of the Foster "Suicide" - ZolaTimes.com - March 10, 1998
Vince Foster's Last Weekend Spent With Nate Landow - Strategic Weekly Briefings - Mar. 20, 1998
The Secret Life of Webb Hubbell - Softwar - Charles Smith - Mar. 20, 1998
Vince Foster’s Last Weekend Spent With Nate Landow - Strategic Weekly Briefings - Mar. 20, 1998
Foster Breakthrough! - CAS Mailing List - Mar. 26, 1998
PICTURES OF FOSTER'S BODY BEING MOVED? - Tom in Venice on George Putnam Show - Mar. 27, 1998
Connecting the Dots…Nathan Landow - Part 1 - [FR Poster Boyd] - Mar. 28, 1998
Connecting the Dots…Nathan Landow - Part 2 - [FR Poster Boyd] - March 28, 1998
Court to Delay Starr in Foster Notes Argument - AP - Mar. 30, 1998
Court to speed up Foster notes case - USA Today - April 6, 1998
PROBER PUSHES FOR FOSTER NOTES - The New York Post - April 7, 1998
Starr Wants Foster Notes Released - Newsday - May 20, 1998
Foster and Parks: Case closed? - Michael Reagan Hot Topics - July 20, 1998
Few Are Still Seeking the Truth in Mysterious 'Suicide' of Vince Foster - Manchester Union Leader - July 24, 1998
Few Are Still Seeking the Truth in Mysterious ‘Suicide’ of Vince Foster - Manchester Union Leader - July 24, 1998
Foster - Nairobi Bombing Link? - Carl from Oyster Bay - Aug. 24, 1998
Reed Irvine Responds To WSJ Editorial About Vince Foster - Accuracy In Media - Aug. 26, 1998
The Patrick Knowlton Story(Foster Case) - The Progressive Review - Aug. 1998
Vince Foster Redux - The Progressive Review - Aug. 31, 1998
What Really happened to Vince Foster - Amended Complaint of Patrick Knowlton - Oct. 1998
Alan Keyes on Vince Foster and the Tainted Blood Scandal (excerpt from show) - Alan Keyes Show - Oct. 7, 1998
Unhappy Holloween Treat: What Happened At Fort Marcy Park the Day V. Foster Died - Progressive Review - Oct. 27, 1998
DRUDGE: ARKANSAS EX-CLINTON BODYGUARD SAYS HILLARY HAD SEX WITH VINCE FOSTER - L.D. Brown - Nov. 1, 1998
CIA HEART ATTACKS - Foster 'bagman' for Chicago Mercantile Exchange - By Sherman H. Skolnick - Nov. 15, 1998
Anatomy of a Cover-Up: New Evidence About Foster's Death - CBN - Nov. 18, 1998
Anatomy of a Cover-Up: New Evidence About Foster's Death - CBN - Nov. 19, 1998
Michael Medved On Vince Foster - Nov. 20, 1998
Conspiracy Central - Vince Foster Killed Himself - Get Over It - National Review and [Theresa Screaming]
Vince Foster Redux- or Vince Foster Killed Himself- Get Over It - Part II - American Spectator and [Theresa Screaming]
Witness in Foster case to address Rotarians - Intelligencer Journal - Jan. 6, 1999
VINCE FOSTER FBI FILES ONLINE - Kenneth Starr Censors Scores of Pages - APB OnLine - Jan. 21, 1999
Bill Hired P.I. To Catch Hillary Cheating (Palladino, Secret Police, Lenzner, Vince Foster) - National Enquirer - Jan. 29, 1999
The Human Price Of Rabin's Truth - Incredible Newspaper Writer - (Rabin, Bush, Clinton, Foster, JFK and Mena Drug-Trafficking) - July 31, 1999
BOOK: Hillary ‘Deeply’ Loved Tragic Foster Book - New York Post - Aug. 3, 1999
Who Is Vince Foster? - Memo on the Margin - Aug. 16, 1999
Red Alert: Patrick Knowlton/John Clarke Now Discussing Vince Foster With Chuck Harder - [Picture of Patrick Knowlton Posted] - Sept. 16, 1999
Court Won’t Open Foster Autopsy Photos - UPI Wire - Oct. 26, 1999
Some Thoughts About The Cover-Up In The Death of Vincent Foster - Phil Brennan - Oct. 27, 1999
Accuracy In Media To Appeal Foster Decision - Judicial Watch - Oct. 27, 1999
The Files Don’t Lie - More Evidence That Foster Was Murdered - Michael Kellett - Oct. 27, 1999
U.S. Court of Appeals Opinion In Foster Photos Case - U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit - Oct. 29, 1999
Phone Evidence For Foster Depression May Have Been Planted - Michael Kellett - Nov. 1, 1999
Foster’s "Suicide" Note, Gun May Have Been Stolen From Residence During Murder - Michael Kellett - Nov. 3, 1999

FOSTER AND TAINTED BLOOD SCANDAL
Ties to Foster,Clinton,A.I.D.C.and Tainted Blood - Mark Kennedy - The Ottawa Citizen - Oct. 7, 1998
Bloodgate: A New Theory on the Death of Vincent Foster - Washington Weekly - Jan. 18, 1999
Bloodgate: A New Theory on the Death of Vince Foster -Washington Times - Jan. 18, 1999

FOSTER AND WACO
New Waco Film, Vince Foster and Wesley Clark - CounterPunch - June 21, 1999
Waco, Vince Foster and the Secret War - Mack White - Aug. 26, 1999
Waco, Vince Foster and the Secret War - Mack White - Aug. 26, 1999
Drudge Radio: Waco Docs Pulled From Foster’s Office - Aug. 29, 1999
Waco Linked To Foster’s Death: Widow - Newsmax - Aug. 30, 1999
New Documentary Links First Lady and Foster To Waco - Newsmax - Nov. 4, 1999

QUOTES

The following quote by Webster Hubbell was given to Esquire magazine by Phillip Carroll, a senior litigator and partner of the Rose Law Firm. Webster Hubbell called Phillip Carroll by cell phone at around midnight on July 20, 1993, the night of Foster’s death and told Carroll:

"Don’t believe a word you hear. It was not suicide. It couldn’t have been." - Webster Hubbell - Former Associate Attorney General - July 20, 1993

"I keep saying no. That wasn’t Vince Foster. He was my favorite. He was so competent. He was a very strong individual. I keep coming back to foul play. There had to be foul play involved." - Phillip Carroll - Senior litigator and partner of the Rose Law Firm. Also Godfather to Foster’s children.

"The decision about the investigative role of the FBI in the Foster death was therefore compromised from the beginning." - William S. Sessions - Former FBI Director. Judge Sessions was fired by President Clinton on July 19, 1993, the day before the Foster death. It was the first time in American history an acting Director of the FBI had been fired by a U.S. President. Clinton had called Sessions personally on July 19, 1993 and told him to vacate his office immediately. At 9:00PM on July 20, 1993, nearly three hours after the Park Police had found Vince Foster’s body, Clinton went on CNN’s Larry King Live, and during the conversation with Larry King he was asked by King: "Was it hard to fire Mr. Sessions?" Clinton responded: "It was not hard." And "I love the FBI, and I hated to be the first president ever to have to fire a director."

"The reputation you develop for intellectual and ethical integrity will be your greatest asset, or your worst enemy." - Vincent Foster

1 Posted on 01/23/2000 15:37:05 PST by Uncle Bill
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What can I say, Uncle Bill? I wish one of my parents had a brother like you.

As you know, in Bill O'Reilly's interview with Starr, he (O'Reilly) stated that at least two former OIC investigators claimed that the Foster case was botched. One was probably Rodriguez. I wonder who the other one was....

2 Posted on 01/23/2000 15:48:50 PST by Senator Pardek
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Hey, Starr is "100 percent certain" that Foster committed suicide. Rather strange statement, no?

3 Posted on 01/23/2000 15:52:00 PST by mrgolden
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For you to bookmark.

4 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:12:59 PST by Uncle Bill
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For you to bookmark. Thanks.

5 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:15:10 PST by Uncle Bill
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once again, Uncle Bill thank you very much.

your posts are excellent, always a keeper.

6 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:18:50 PST by rwz
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Yes, Uncle Bill. It is very difficult to comprehend that strong evidence shows that Foster was murdered, same with Ron Brown and yet the American news media considers this all to be non-information.

7 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:20:13 PST by Red Jones
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No, I'm not bookmarking it. I'm SAVING IT COMPLETE to HD & Floppy :-)

Things disappear occasionally.

8 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:25:18 PST by NDCORUP
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Great job Uncle Bill!

Regards,

Allan J. Favish
http://members.aol.com/allanf8702/page1.htm

9 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:35:32 PST by AJFavish (ajfavish@worldnet.att.net)
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Thanks for posting this. I know its old news, but I never tire of reading it.

10 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:38:27 PST by Ditter
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WHAT A COLLECTION!!

WOW!

11 Posted on 01/23/2000 16:48:20 PST by No!
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btt

12 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:23:10 PST by flanew
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BTW, that's an incredible amount of information, excellent!

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From the thread;

"But one thing they could all agree on when they were recounting war stories back at Fire Station One was that nobody saw an exit wound. Corey Ashford didn’t see it. Richard Arthur didn’t see it. Sgt. George Gonzalez didn’t see it. The head was intact."

If the head was intact, how did Henry Lee manage to DNA-type from a bone fragment from the skull, to Vincent Foster?

TTYL,

MEH

13 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:29:21 PST by meh
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BUMP FOR THE GHOSTS OF ARKANCIDES PAST.

BACK AT YOU PPPs.

14 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:38:44 PST by po'boy (FostersGhost@arkancide.fed.gov)
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Posted to the FR Vince Foster Email Alert List. Click to join the list.

15 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:42:51 PST by AppyPappy
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"Yes, Uncle Bill. It is very difficult to comprehend that strong evidence shows that Foster was murdered, same with Ron Brown and yet the American news media considers this all to be non-information."

Or they whitewash it as "60 Minutes" did. BTW, do you know that "60 Minutes II" will be doing a broadcast this Tuesday about "What really happened at Waco?" It will be interesting to see how they treat this subject; objectively or yet another Whitewash as they did with the Foster case?

16 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:47:04 PST by PJ-Comix (pjglad@gate.net)
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You're a blessing, buddy.

It is quite obvious why you 'vanish' every now and then. A compilation like this takes 'forever and three days'.

There are a number of 'treasures' around here, and you are among them.

17 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:47:15 PST by Boyd
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Bump

18 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:49:09 PST by bigsigh
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Most excellent! Thanks!

19 Posted on 01/23/2000 17:56:53 PST by Senator Pardek
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Great job, Uncle Bill! Isn't it interesting that Starr's Foster suicide report became public in October 1997 and barely 3 months later, January of 1998, he jumped on the Monica case like white on rice? Could he have been casting about for something with which to change the subject?

20 Posted on 01/23/2000 18:14:10 PST by Samizdat
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*****

21 Posted on 01/23/2000 18:21:08 PST by metalbird1
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I read this book when it was first published. It had a great impact on me! Ambrose was totally turned around by his investigations. He had been in support of Clinton and was attempting to debunk myths about him. Hitchens has the same opinion ... maybe its something Brit.

22 Posted on 01/23/2000 18:24:29 PST by nsmart
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This post was worth the effort of turning on the computer tonight and logging onto FR!!!

23 Posted on 01/23/2000 18:31:52 PST by MadAsHell
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Outstanding, Uncle Bill!

This thread is a definite FREEPER KEEPER!!

24 Posted on 01/23/2000 18:37:12 PST by JulieRNR21
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So what happened to Ambrove Evans-Pritchard after he left the US? I've tried to follow his career assuming that he would continue his excellent track record on investigative journalism, but I haven't been able to locate anything? Did he retire? Did he disappear? Don't tell me he was ARKANCIDED? (!)

25 Posted on 01/23/2000 19:23:21 PST by slym
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"".....Starr will merit a chapter. He will be seen as a weak, temporizing man who lacked the force of character to confront a corrupt system.""

Sure would like to see WHAT IS CONTAINED IN STARR'S F.B.I. FILES!!

bump

26 Posted on 01/23/2000 19:44:29 PST by S.O.S121.500 (HUMAN-Beings-Need-Government-As-Badly-As-Snakes-Need-Teats!!)
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Bump! Great Info!

27 Posted on 01/23/2000 19:50:27 PST by hattend
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What a keeper! Thanks!

28 Posted on 01/23/2000 19:50:57 PST by Nita Nuprez
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What an unbelievable amount of Foster regurgitation! Thanks and bookmarked!

29 Posted on 01/23/2000 20:00:55 PST by Registered
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Engrossing post. Thanks.

30 Posted on 01/23/2000 20:05:22 PST by lakey
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Very nice job! Thanks very much!

31 Posted on 01/23/2000 20:32:50 PST by John Clarke (Clarke@worldnet.att.net)
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Bump for the night crew.

32 Posted on 01/23/2000 22:43:10 PST by amom
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33 Posted on 01/23/2000 22:58:36 PST by BobbyK
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Everything he/they could dig up and hide......

34 Posted on 01/24/2000 02:15:22 PST by MadAsHell
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Where is Ambrose? He's still around. He wrote a scathing article when Starr bombed during impeachment. I think he just got tired and disallusioned (kinda like me) that anything will change. Maybe he's the smart one... giving up.

35 Posted on 01/24/2000 04:50:29 PST by nsmart
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Bump.

36 Posted on 01/24/2000 06:35:56 PST by Uncle Bill
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Uncle Bill's list is very comprehensive. I would only add that the link to the Starr Report at the Washington Post does not offer the complete Starr Report. The Washington Post version does not include the 353 footnotes or the court ordered addendum.

The only place on the Internet that I know of to view the complete Starr Report on Foster is at Starr Report at FBIcover-up.com

37 Posted on 01/24/2000 07:03:48 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Ambrose is currently stationed in Belgium. He has a hard copy of Failure of the Public Trust, at FBIcover-up.com , and said that it is the most comprehensive review of the evidence that he's seen.

38 Posted on 01/24/2000 07:34:37 PST by John Clarke
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The correct link to view the complete Starr Report on Foster with the footnotes and the court ordered addendum is http://fbicover-up.com/starr/starrreport.htm

39 Posted on 01/24/2000 07:38:56 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Thanks.

40 Posted on 01/24/2000 08:05:47 PST by rubbertramp
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Outstanding! Thank you so much.

41 Posted on 01/24/2000 08:26:19 PST by arch1
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VINCE FOSTER - Timeline of Events

42 Posted on 01/24/2000 13:35:36 PST by Uncle Bill
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Great! I see you posted that link to today's Foster thread. (I was going to do it here... but you beat me to the punch!)

43 Posted on 01/24/2000 17:17:20 PST by MadAsHell
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Like Senator Pardek, I wish one of my parent's had a brother just like you, as well! I'd keep ya up all night talking about the information you complied above :-)!

God Bless Ambrose and Hitchens and all of the writers who discover and own up to the TRUTH regardless of their personal political beliefs.

Thank you Uncle Bill, for the tremendous effort and time it took to get this down....WOW. What a keeper.

44 Posted on 01/24/2000 17:50:44 PST by Republic
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Thank you so much for the gracious words! Let's bump it up again.

45 Posted on 01/24/2000 21:59:07 PST by Uncle Bill
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Another site that has the full 1997 Starr Report on the death of Vincent Foster is at following;

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/clinton/starr.htm

MEH

46 Posted on 01/25/2000 05:00:26 PST by meh
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A 1997 article about a 1993 "suicide". Face it. It's over. the murder and cover-up was a complete sucesss.

47 Posted on 01/25/2000 05:25:26 PST by wny
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Ya just never know.....don't close the door on hope just yet. Just because justice has been raped in the clinton adm., does not mean everyone working within it will be able to keep the lid on their own consciences and integrity-forever.

Lots of worms are crawling out of the corrupted woodwork already, and as clinton loses his power, many many more are sure to follow. I imagine that there are several people who know the full truth about Vince's murder. Several. Let's hope they come forward.

48 Posted on 01/25/2000 14:21:41 PST by Republic
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That one goes in the hot link Hall of Fame = o)

Another good reason to BTTT!

49 Posted on 01/25/2000 19:11:33 PST by arch1
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This is getting to be a habit. BTTT!!!

50 Posted on 01/25/2000 21:08:15 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate@It's The stupid Media)
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Bump back at you.

51 Posted on 01/26/2000 03:33:26 PST by Uncle Bill
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Anybody that knows anything at all about the Vince Foster murder should remember Hatch's words in the Senate committee hearing. Here they are:

"There is absolutely no credible evidence to contradict the Fiske report's conclusion, that Vincent Foster took his own life. And that it happened at Fort Marcy Park." - Orrin Hatch - U.S. Senator

Hatch was in good company.

"We can all agree that there's no place in this hearing room for lurid speculation, about the tragic circumstances surrounding the suicide of Vincent Foster. The Independent Counsel has spoken on this issue, the Justice Department and the Park Police have concurred." - James Sasser - U.S. Senator

"The exploitation of Vincent Foster's death by those who want to hurt this presidency, is one of the saddest chapters in our recent political history." - Barbara Boxer - U.S. Senator

Pssst. Hatch. Pssst. Look here.

52 Posted on 01/26/2000 08:46:10 PST by Uncle Bill
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MAH, remember those words above by Orrin(BCCI)Hatch.

53 Posted on 01/26/2000 08:47:32 PST by Uncle Bill
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Great post Uncle Bill, it will take me weeks to go through it all.

Here's an excerpt from my parody Citizen Clinton (my parody collection will be available in paperback in March):

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Hillary slams down the phone. Foster is looking at her in horror.

HILLARY: Once we get that information into a database, we’ll have instant access to unsubstantiated dirt on every Republican in this city. Georgie, when this meeting is over, I need you to go down and fire the travel office staff. I want to put Harry’s people in there. There’s alot of opportunity for graft in that office.

STEPHANOPOULIS: Your dress is stunning, but what if they object to losing their jobs?

HILLARY: If they dare object, accuse them of crimes and sic the IRS and the FBI on them. We don’t pay those federal agents to sit on their asses all day.

FOSTER: (aghast) I've been a relatively moral person my whole life and I don't intend - (he starts to sputter) - if it's your intention that I should continue to witness this - this abuse of power - (he's really sore) I warn you, Hillary, it would go against my grain to desert you when you need me so badly - but I would feel obliged to ask that my resignation be accepted.

CLINTON: It is accepted, Mr. Foster, with assurances of my deepest regard.

FOSTER: But Bill, I meant -

Clinton turns his back on him, speaks to Hillary.

CLINTON: Did we get John Huang his top security clearance, yet? The Chinese are really pressing me for their payback. We’re gonna need them again in four years, and I don’t want to burn any bridges.

Foster rises, storms out of the room and slams the door behind him.

HILLARY: You know we can’t just let him resign Bill. He knows far too much, and he won’t stay quiet.

CLINTON: Do you think he’ll talk to the media?

HILLARY: Don’t worry, I’ll see that he doesn’t. He certainly has seemed depressed lately. I sure hope he’s not suicidal.

CLINTON: (laughing) I miss him already...

54 Posted on 01/26/2000 08:58:25 PST by dead
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" NOTE: There is a great deal of information regarding the gun(s) at issue regarding the death of Vince Foster on Rivero’s Foster page."

Hi Uncle Bill.

The original Rancho Runnamukka website is soon to close.

However, there is a mirror of it located at my new (still under construction) wesite at www.whatreallyhappened.com

The mirror of the Vince Foster page is at www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html

55 Posted on 01/26/2000 09:00:18 PST by Michael Rivero
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WOW

56 Posted on 01/26/2000 09:06:43 PST by Incorrigible
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Michael, when you say "mirror", will the links that I listed above to your site above still work?

57 Posted on 01/26/2000 09:18:01 PST by Uncle Bill
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Hehehe.8-) Find me these tapes.

58 Posted on 01/26/2000 09:22:17 PST by Uncle Bill
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I never heard of those tapes. Unfortunately, that article is from 1995. I'm sure they no longer exist. There's probably a few people who heard them who no longer exist as well.

59 Posted on 01/26/2000 09:30:06 PST by dead
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"Michael, when you say "mirror", will the links that I listed above to your site above still work?"

No. Any link that goes through accessone.com will no longer work. Officially, my account with them closed almost a week ago; I don't know why it's still up, but I have no problem with their keeping the website online for a bit longer.

As for What Really Happened, it does contain a copy of the original Rancho site, but will soon officially open with some new articles by several writers in addition to myself. It's a bit slow getting open because my career is heating up (despite the best efforts of Clinton's thugs) and time has become a real shortage around here!

60 Posted on 01/26/2000 10:12:21 PST by Michael Rivero
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BTTT!

61 Posted on 01/26/2000 10:15:35 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate@It's The stupid Media)
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Click HERE.

62 Posted on 01/26/2000 23:10:18 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate@It's The stupid Media)
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BTTT!!

63 Posted on 01/27/2000 07:59:58 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate@It's The stupid Media)
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Who Is Helen Dickey and What Does She Know About Vince Foster?

64 Posted on 01/27/2000 18:27:32 PST by Uncle Bill
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Foster Dead - So Clinton Goes To Bed

65 Posted on 01/28/2000 00:27:10 PST by Uncle Bill
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I have never been able to view the exhibits in the addendum to the Starr Report on Foster at Beck's web site. The exhibits do not load up in my netscape browser.

Therefore I still think the ONLY place on the World Wide Web to view the complete Starr Report and ALL of the exhibits is at http://fbicover-up.com/starr/starrreport.htm

FBIcover-up.com now includes a complete copy of America's Dreyfus Affair. America's Dreyfus Affair by David Martin exposes the role of the press in the cover-up.

Hugh Turley

66 Posted on 01/28/2000 04:57:47 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Bttt.

67 Posted on 01/28/2000 14:42:31 PST by Uncle Bill
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Hugh;

I see what you mean - the graphic files at his site

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/clinton/starr.htm

Meanwhile though one can download the entire Starr document with exhibits by clicking on;

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/clinton/starr.zip

But, of course your site also has the same report along with all that other material as well and is a tremendous resource for people seriously interested in the Foster case.

On a different note, I find flaws with some of your assessments, one in particular being your completely misinformative illustration of the trajectory of the bullet through the head as explained by Starr. You know that the Starr report states that the exit wound was 3 inches from the top of the head, and yet you have represented it nearly at the top of the head. That blatant error does not inspire confidence....

TTYL,

MEH

68 Posted on 01/29/2000 06:22:18 PST by meh
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meh-

You are absolutly correct to say that our web site "is a tremendous resource for people seriously interested in the Foster case." If you were seriously interested you might learn something from our website.

I find flaws with some of your assessments, one in particular being your completely misinformative previous reply to my post. I don't care where the Starr Report states that the "exit wound" was because their was no exit wound. Our web site http://fbicover-up.com/ makes it very clear that the Starr Report is not a reliable source for facts about Foster's death. Your blatant error that affirms an exit wound from Foster's head ignores the fact that not one of the 26 persons known to view the body the night of his death reported seeing the official exit wound. Your error does not inspire any confidence. It reminds me of Christopher "Cover-up" Ruddy's distractions that claimed the "body was moved", "the FBI was kept out of the death investigation", and "Clinton aides removed documents from Vince's office".

You wrote:
"On a different note, I find flaws with some of your assessments, one in particular being your completely misinformative illustration of the trajectory of the bullet through the head as explained by Starr. You know that the Starr report states that the exit wound was 3 inches from the top of the head, and yet you have represented it nearly at the top of the head. That blatant error does not inspire confidence...."

If you think you are expert enough with the facts why don't you write your own report with the correct(?) location of the "exit wound." If you want to defend Starr and Ruddy and argue that there was an exit wound go ahead. Are you trying to prove that Foster committed suicide? Good luck it has been tried before and no one has done it yet. Let me know when you finish your report.
-Hugh Turley

69 Posted on 01/29/2000 18:43:56 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Hugh;

On page 195, you state that;

[...] These accounts cannot both be true. A single bullet could not have pierced both the soft palate and the oropharynx and exited the top of the head , as the drawing below illustrates.

So on page 195, in the illustration, you indicate an area nearly at the top of the head, labelling it;

"Official exit wound in this area"

...which is absolutely INCORRECT.

The official exit wound is at the lower back of the skull near the top of the occipital bone - which is right about in the area of that protusion found on most people's heads.

Even on page 19 of your main FBICoverup document in a section dealing with Clarke's SECOND AMENDED COMPLAINT (10/98), it is stated that "[...] and struck the skull approximately three inches below the top of the head,

THEREFORE, you contradict yourself.

Since you are aware of this distance, why was the artist directed to place the "Official exit wound..." in that incorrect location? Are you going to include an errata page at your website?

You say that nobody saw the exit wound. Most were not even in a position to see the wound -- especially one which would have been obscured by blood and matted hair (see page 644, exhibits.pdf). However, Haut did see the wound believing it to be [see page 644 exhibits.pdf] "... consistent with a low-velocity weapon...". Beyer and the other pathologists saw it as well.

TTYL,

MEH

70 Posted on 01/30/2000 15:46:30 PST by meh
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Hugh and others;

If you want to see one of the better trajectories I did last year CLICK HERE.

I think the actual entrance wound, however, is further past the junction of the soft and hard palate as described by the panel of pathologists. I followed as close as I could to the measurements and drawings available but I think it is off slightly.

TTYL,

MEH

71 Posted on 01/31/2000 17:25:47 PST by meh
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MEH

You sound like a cheerleader for Doctor Beyer, Christopher Ruddy and Kenneth Starr with your theory about the "actual" entrance wound. Your arguments remind me of an FBI agent that I encountered recently when I was speaking in public. You are ignoring that NOT ONE of the 26 persons known to officially view Foster's body before the autopsy saw the "official entrance wound".

Paramedic Richard Arthur saw the small caliber entrance wound in Foster's neck just under the jawline. This fact and the best information available on Foster is at FBIcover-up.com. Less reliable information is found in the Fiske Report, the Starr Report and Christopher Ruddy's books which all affirm both a "mouth entrance wound" and "exit wound" that not one witness saw the night of Foster's death.
Hugh Turley

72 Posted on 01/31/2000 18:10:28 PST by Hughie2u (Turley)
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"What about it?"

"You aren't going to believe what happened to it. Months after the suicide, someone finally got around to thinking about Foster's computer and ordered us to track it down. I can't believe that Fiske and your FBI boys didn't seize it right away, but they didn't. We tracked the computer by its serial number. We then ran a review of all repair and installation documents related to it, and guess what we found out? Foster's computer had been taken out of his office after his death because it wasn't being used, and someone else needed it.

"But when it was turned on, when someone tried to use it, it wouldn't 'boot up'--the hard drive wouldn't function. A call was placed to the shop that repairs computers, and the guys came over to take a look at it. Sure enough, the hard drive wasn't operating. They took the machine apart, and found the hard drive was so badly damaged it couldn't be repaired."

"The computer repairman didn't know the history of the computer, that it had been Foster's computer, so he simply took the old broken hard drive out and installed a brand new one. He programmed the new drive and took the old hard drive back to the shop and tossed it into the scrap barrel. A couple of months later someone came along and emptied the scrap barrel."

"This is unbelievable. How could this happen? You do know that the FBI is investigating obstruction of justice charges in this case? Does anyone else know about this?"

"Yeah, one of the guys testified about it to Kenneth Starr's group or was interviewed about it; I don't know which. Staff knows about it, but I don't think anyone knows who 'did' the hard drive."

"'Did' the hard drive? Wait a minute. Are you saying that the hard drive was destroyed by someone? How do you destroy a hard drive?"

"Gary, there's only one way I know of to destroy a hard drive. You turn on the computer and order it to perform a function of some kind, and while the hard drive is working to finish the function, you pick up the case and you drop it sharply on the floor, or on some other hard surface. The disk will usually self-destruct on impact, and then it can't be used and can't be read easily, if at all. Of course, even if we could read it, it's long gone now because all those investigators didn't think to ask about it."

"This is crazy. Why didn't they seize the computer as evidence? They should have done that first thing."
Unlimited Access - An FBI Agent Inside The Clinton White House - Gary Aldrich

[End of Partial Transcript]

Just food for thought. What if the above is not the whole story. What if someone "exchanged" the disk. The story above could still take place, just as it is stated.

Regards, Uncle Bill.

73 Posted on 02/01/2000 22:53:45 PST by Uncle Bill
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THE SECRET LIFE OF BILL CLINTON
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Pages 167 - 170

"The keys to Vincent Foster's Honda had vanished.

It compels a rather sinister question. Whoever had the keys, what were they doing with them in the first place?"
[END OF TRANSCRIPT]

74 Posted on 02/01/2000 23:56:39 PST by Uncle Bill
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good work! how will i ever find the time to read all of this?

75 Posted on 02/02/2000 00:08:44 PST by ken21
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And the whereabouts of William Kennedy the afternoon of Foster's death is__________?
And why purportedly does an Arkansas DMV check of the car Kennedy owned at the time of Foster's death have a paper trail that abruptly ends, showing no transfer to a different owner?

76 Posted on 02/02/2000 00:30:58 PST by metalbird1
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Thanks Ken. Click here 8-)

77 Posted on 02/02/2000 00:35:59 PST by Uncle Bill
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Metalbird, can you tell us what year, make and model Kennedy's now missing car was? Especially as Craig testified he MET Kennedy at the hospital and then DROVE him to Foster's home afterward. Kennedy's testimony says he drove Craig from the hospital... but then quite a bit of his testimony is redacted right after that. I wonder if Kennedy's car matches the description of any of the cars that were seen at FMP earlier (by Patrick Knowlton for example).

78 Posted on 02/02/2000 00:56:33 PST by Sal
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And the whereabouts of William Kennedy the afternoon of Foster's death is__________?
And why purportedly does an Arkansas DMV check of the car Kennedy owned at the time of Foster's death have a paper trail that abruptly ends, showing no transfer to a different owner?"

Hehe. Did you notice that Christopher Ruddy and Ambrose Evans-Pritchard did not mention the whereabouts of William Kennedy in their books. If they did, I missed it. They didn't know either apparently. Maybe he was flipping through raw FBI files with Der Arkan-fuhrer before the final phone call. With regard to the Arkansas DMV check, can you answer my question on this thread. My question is the last reply I believe. If you read the above excerpt out of Ambrose's book, notice the 4 redacted pages of the interview. It's so sensitive that we Americans can't be told. Hehehehe.

79 Posted on 02/02/2000 00:59:42 PST by Uncle Bill
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THE HAZARDS OF PROTESTING HILLARY
"A few hours later, Shawn's boss comes to see him. He told him that he has been sent a copy of Shawn's message and that although he knows he can't tell Shawn not to protest, he asked him as a personal favor not to make himself prominent as it would create an uncomfortable situation for the boss in his relationship to the college president who has arranged for the Clinton appearance. The college president, Mark Gearan, has recently been hired - directly out of the Clinton administration. It is widely believed that Gearan took the job to promote Hilary Cinton's Senate campaign. Gearan's resume includes the following: campaign manager for Al Gore, leader of the Clinton transition team, and as Clinton's communication's director where he was responsible for, among other things, spin control on the Travelgate and Whitewater scandals. Gearan left his position as Director of the Peace Corps to take his current position, although he has no background in academia."
[End of Transcript]

"I wonder if people realize that Gearan was the one who told Craig Livingstone to go the morgue to "identify the [Vince Foster's] body" after which time Foster's keys miraculously turned up in his pockets even though the park police couldn't find them during an extensive search of his pockets at the park."
6 Posted on 02/01/2000 19:39:42 PST by Samizdat

80 Posted on 02/02/2000 01:14:53 PST by Uncle Bill
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I was remiss in asking those, both for excusable and inexcusable reasons.

81 Posted on 02/02/2000 01:15:45 PST by metalbird1
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Do like I do - read late at night and give up sleep (for Lent, maybe?! :-).

82 Posted on 02/02/2000 07:38:33 PST by MadAsHell
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"Whoever had the keys, what were they doing with them in the first place?"

Getting the gun from Foster's house?

83 Posted on 02/02/2000 07:44:34 PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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Livingstone Was A Security Threat

84 Posted on 02/02/2000 10:17:47 PST by Uncle Bill
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Hugh wrote;

Paramedic Richard Arthur saw the small caliber entrance wound in Foster's neck just under the jawline.

Richard Arthur said he saw what appeared to him to be a small entrance wound on the neck two inches below the ear. His observation was quick, not too much more than a glance, and was from a distance of 2-3 feet. Also he says he didn't see or notice any gunpowder around the wound. This is very weak evidence of a gunshot wound.

Some evidence for an exit wound;

Page 170 FOTPT - Rolla deposition - [BTW, I've added the last 2 lines taken from a .gif image];
Q. Was there any attempt to find bone fragments or anything in the ground?
A. They searched the area... I still can't believe that the hole -- it's a small hole. They may put their finger through it, that's a big hole. His head was not blown out... I probed his head and there was no big hole there. There was no big blowout. There weren't brains running all over the place. There was blood in there. There was a mushy spot. I initially thought the bullet might still be in his head. Could have been the brain pushed up against that hole. There's no big hole or big blowout in his head.267
3. Q: So the exit wound was small?
4. A: Right.

Page 174 FOTPT;Exhibit 73, Report of FBI interview of Dr. Donald Haut, April 12, 1994:
"After examination of the back of Foster's head, Haut believed that the wound was consistent with a low velocity weapon. Haut recalled a separate case in which a .25 caliber rifle caused a much more devastating wound to the victim."

Page 172 FOTPT Exhibit 104, Deposition of Park Police Evidence Technician Peter Simonello, July 14, 1994:
Q. Did you see any wounds on the body?
A. At first observation I did not. I just saw the blood.
Q. Did you ever see any wounds on the body?
A. When the body was turned over, there was a wound to the back portion of his skull...
Q. You said you saw the wound after the body was moved. Where did you see these wounds or wound?
A. What I saw was the wound to the back of the head. [...]

Forensic Panel's description of wound (from exhibits.pdf):
Bullet course: Penetrates skull, to left of foramen magnum. Internal bevelling not appreciated. Penetrates brain stem (medulla) and medial aspect of left cerebral hemisphere. No gunpowder residue noted to involve skull, dura or central nervous system. Exit through comminuted central occipital skull defect at posterior occiput. Cross-hatched area in diagram represents fragments of bone not identified. Scalp exit wound stellate, measuring 1 1/4 x 1 inch, located 3 inches below top of head. No evidence of shoring at exit site.

Dr. B. Blackbourne [from Starr Report];
Dr. Blackbourne concluded that Mr. Foster was alive at the time when the shot was fired. Dr. Blackbourne based this conclusion upon the autopsy report and photographic evidence that there was bleeding beneath the scalp about the gunshot exit wound and beneath the fractures of the back of the skull.

There is plenty of evidence of an exit wound seen in the Park and afterwards (such as; the bone chip from the skull DNA typed to Foster]. Why would anyone be convinced that Arthur saw a gunshot wound when he only looked at the neck for a couple of seconds? Also, he saw no gunpowder which would be unlikely for a close, near-contact range [note powder on Foster's hands] shot. You would have to be convinced that all these people are lying or are part of a huge conspiracy in order to swallow the murder conspiracy theory.

TTYL,

MEH

85 Posted on 02/02/2000 16:49:43 PST by meh
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Whoever had the keys, what were they doing with them in the first place?" As I recall they got into some locked drawers/cabinets in Foster's office at the same time they were trying to get into the safe. The problem is I can't remember exactly where I read that. Remember they were panicking about opening the safe, but couldn't do it at first. I forget who finally got it open, but I'm pretty sure they had the rest of the office thoroughly cracked by that time. Of course, they were only looking for a suicide note or some evidence to tell them why...

To all: does anybody remember the information on unlocking drawers and cabinets, etc.?

86 Posted on 02/03/2000 00:51:33 PST by Sal
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WHATEVER HAPPENED TO VINCE FOSTER?
"The Park Police failed to secure Vince Foster's office. Actually, presidential aides ignored an explicit request by police investigators to seal the office in the critical hours immediately after Foster's body was found. Park Police investigator Cheryl Braun asked White House Administrator David Watkins "to have Mr. Foster's office secured and that Mr. Watkins agreed to do so."24 But it was not done. The big questions is why was it not done?

On April 22, 1994, Hillary Clinton denied any knowledge of anything to do with the Foster office raid. She was specifically asked about Margaret Williams' activities and denied any knowledge or recollection.13-p79 Is it plausible that she wouldn't remember giving the orders to have key Foster files locked in her own closet for safe keeping? Why would she lie about this matter?"

87 Posted on 02/03/2000 01:52:49 PST by Uncle Bill
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I have just started a yahoo club on the death of Vincent Foster. Click here to visit it. There are only three members right now but hopefully soon enough folks will join to have some lively discussion. If you have a Foster-related web page, feel free to join up and promote your site at my club!

88 Posted on 02/04/2000 16:48:20 PST by murdoog
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Meh wrote:" You would have to be convinced that all these people are lying or are part of a huge conspiracy in order to swallow the murder conspiracy theory."

You are very selective of the evidence. You deceptively conceal the official size of the "exit wound." Officially the "exit wound" was the size of a fifty cent coin yet you argue that Officer Rolla could not get his finger through the "small wound."

If a government shill was posting on this thread to spread disinformation using half truths and name calling like "conspiracy theory" how would their posts be any different from your posts?

Unlike you I do not find it difficult to accept that a large number of people will go along with something that is false. 2000 years ago on the outskirts of the Roman Empire an innocent man was put to death. Everyone went along with it. His friends ran away and one friend lied 3 times and denied he even knew the man. Pontius Pilate washed his hands of the matter and everyone went along with it.

Kenneth Starr has been called the Pontius Pilate of the Potomac and the modern day Pharisees and the scribes are here posting on this thread. Things have not changed.

How do you like the light meh?

Hugh Turley
co-author of Failure of the Public Trust
FBIcoverup.com

89 Posted on 02/04/2000 17:31:17 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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You wrote, "There's very good information in both Ruddy's and Ambrose's book on this subject also"

It should be no surprise that there good information about the search of Foster's office in Ruddy's book.

The search of Foster's office in the West Wing of the WH got plenty of coverage at the 1995 Senate hearings and in the press (including Jerry Seper & The Washington Times). IMHO the search of the West wing office served as a distraction from more serious issues that were not mentioned in the press OR in Ruddy's book, for example:
1.The FBI investigation 7/21/93 at the Old Executive Office Building where the majority of the WH counsel's office was located including the offices of Livingston & Kennedy.
2.The FBI removal of evidence from Foster's desk in the WH before the locks were changed.
3.The FBI participation in the death investigation from the beginning.
4.Patrick Knowlton and others did not see Foster's car at FMP.
5.Of the 26 persons to see Foster's body before the autopsy NOT ONE reported seeing the official exit wound.

The never verified story that Whitewater documents were removed from Foster's office originated with Jerry Seper in the Washington Times based on anonymous sources. That phoney news story was the basis for the FBI cover-up investigations under Independent Counsels Fiske and Starr. After Starr's report was released Jerry Seper failed to report the 23 page addendum including 20 pages from Patrick Knowlton that was attached by the U.S. Court of Appeals. Seper praised Starr's investigation and delared Foster's death was a "suicide". Jerry Seper has always reported that Foster's death was a "suicide."

For more information about Jerry Seper and Christopher Ruddy I recommend reading America's Dreyfus Affair at FBIcover-up.com

Hugh Turley

90 Posted on 02/04/2000 18:03:08 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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"You would have to be convinced that all these people are lying or are part of a huge conspiracy in order to swallow the murder conspiracy theory."

Look how many people particiated in the cover-up of the JFK assasination called the Warren Report, now admitted to have been fictional in regards to the magic bullet.

Look how many people has to be willing to stay silent to conceal the Nazi death camps from Germans and the rest of the world.

Look how many people participated in the cover-up of the shoot-down of TWA 800, now exposed by the NTSB's deception proven in the NTSB's own printed report.

Throughout history, governments have always been able to find whores among its own population, willing to say and do anything for tht small grace of power over the ordinary citizen.

The claim that a cover-up cannot exist because a certain number ofeople are required does not hld up. Cover-ups do exist, and hundreds of people have helped them along.

Certainly in the case of Vincent Foster, those who claim it was a suicide are uable to answer the question of why the FBI showed Lisa Foster a silver gun and told her it was the gun found with her husband's body, when the gun actually found with the body was dark blued steel, described as "black" by most who saw it, or why Robert Fiske used such an obviously bogus interview to conclude in his report on Foster that Lisa Foser had identified the gun found with the body.

That the FBI manufactured Lisa Foster's testimony as used in the Fiske Report is beyond dispute, documented in the FBI's own paperwork.

That proves the existance of a cover-up, and however many people are required to participate, that's how many are participating. FBI? Sure. Virginia M.E.? Yes. The mainstream media? Condemned as part of the coverup by their own words. And online shills? Of course.

91 Posted on 02/04/2000 18:15:42 PST by Michael Rivero
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Hugh, excellent post! I believe every word. I appreciate your insight, intelligence and big contribution to exposing the truth and shining the light on those who enjoy the darkness of their deeds and desire to keep others bathed in it. I can't believe I now live in a country where so few are interested in this vitally important subject. Ball games and bank accounts are no excuse. Thanks again.

92 Posted on 02/04/2000 20:56:27 PST by Uncle Bill
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Hugh Turley wrote;

You are very selective of the evidence. You deceptively conceal the official size of the "exit wound." Officially the "exit wound" was the size of a fifty cent coin yet you argue that Officer Rolla could not get his finger through the "small wound."

Hugh, you are the one being deceptive - where does Rolla say that he COULD NOT get his finger through the wound? Please cite his words that say this.

And, please recall that Rolla had an explanation for why he felt that it was mushy back there because it felt like " [...] the brain pushed up against that hole..]". Think about it - Foster was lying on his back for several hours by that time, and the brain would have settled down over the inside back of the skull and, over time, somewhat congealed into place. So, is it any surprise that Rolla should feel some opposition to his probe of the wound?

Rolla never said that he did not see any wound at the back of the head - only that he did not see a huge blowout-type of wound. He did, however, testify to seeing a smaller hole.

You make a great case about conspiracy and the Nazi atrocities, but why can't you admit to your own blatantly erroneous misrepresentation of the official exit wound on your Page 195 in FOTPT, and will you write up an errata page at your website?

Certainly in the case of Vincent Foster, those who claim it was a suicide are uable to answer the question of why the FBI showed Lisa Foster a silver gun and told her it was the gun found with her husband's body, when the gun actually found with the body was dark blued steel, described as "black" by most who saw it, or why Robert Fiske used such an obviously bogus interview to conclude in his report on Foster that Lisa Foser had identified the gun found with the body.

Actually, in the Fiske Report the strongest association that Lisa Foster makes with the gun is that she "[...] stated that the gun looked similar to one that she had seen in their home in Arkansas and that she had brought to Washington. "

This is as you know, NOT an identification.

The colour of the gun is, as far as I know, not stated in Fiske which leads me to my next point.

How do we know that the interview was not changed so that the gun which may have been referred to as black in the actual interview, was changed to silver, in order to keep information away from potential witnesses for screening purposes (since the real colour does not appear to be revealed in the public Fiske Report, either)? Or, that the agents doing the interview had actually thought that the gun was silver (didn't one witness to the scene recall it being silver? - Starr Report, Page 79; "[302, 4/24/96, at 2. Iacone stated that the gun was a silver-colored revolver-type weapon.]") .

TTYL,

MEH

93 Posted on 02/05/2000 09:16:47 PST by meh
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MEH wrote: "Hugh, you are the one being deceptive - where does Rolla say that he COULD NOT get his finger through the wound? Please cite his words that say this."

I am not being deceptive I just have a superior knowledge of the facts and you are demonstrating your ignorance. That is why you have come to me and asked me to provide the Rolla quote for you.

Investigator Rolla said you can put your finger through a big hole and he said, "I probed his head and there was no big hole there." Go read the record before you waste my time telling me to defend our text. I am not going to cite the evidence for you all over again post by post. This was well covered on page 170 of Failure of the Public TrustFBIcoverup.com
Mark Twain said that all of us are ignorant just about different things. You are ignorant about Rolla not seeing the official "exit wound" and everything else that does not fit your conclusion.

MEH also wrote: "You make a great case about conspiracy and the Nazi atrocities, but why can't you admit to your own blatantly erroneous misrepresentation of the official exit wound on your Page 195 in FOTPT, and will you write up an errata page..." GET YOUR OWN ERRATA PAGE! I never posted anything about Nazi atrocities. You are uninformed, careless with the facts and not entitled to an opinion. Go debate someone at your own level. Your lack of knowledge bores me.

94 Posted on 02/05/2000 20:27:08 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Hugh Turley wrote;

I am not being deceptive I just have a superior knowledge of the facts and you are demonstrating your ignorance. That is why you have come to me and asked me to provide the Rolla quote for you. Investigator Rolla said you can put your finger through a big hole and he said, "I probed his head and there was no big hole there." Go read the record before you waste my time telling me to defend our text. I am not going to cite the evidence for you all over again post by post. This was well covered on page 170 of Failure of the Public TrustFBIcoverup.com

Page 170 of FOTPT [mostly];

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A. They searched the area... I still can't believe that the hole -- it's a small hole. They may put their finger through it, that's a big hole. His head was not blown out... I probed his head and there was no big hole there. There was no big blowout. There weren't brains running all over the place. There was blood in there. There was a mushy spot. I initially thought the bullet might still be in his head. Could have been the brain pushed up against that hole. There's no big hole or big blowout in his head. 267
* * * (And not included in FOTPT were these last two lines -- From Rollas' Deposition [see http://meh3.tripod.com/roll_exit.gif and notice that the first 2 lines in the gif image are the last lines in quote from page 170 FOTPT]):

1 been the brain pushed up against that hole. There's no big
2 hole or big blowout in his head.
3 Q: So the exit wound was small?
4. A: Right.

[Dr. Haut] looked at the back of his head. I looked at the back of his head, and I was wearing gloves, I probed his head and I could feel -- what I felt in his head was mushy here. I did not, you know, there was hair, blood and other matter there, and I did not observe any blowout, like his brains had been blown out all over the place. It just appeared it was mushy there. 268

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Nowhere does he say that he COULD NOT push his finger through the hole. He said that he COULD feel the mushy area - which he thought was brain matter. Why? Because he saw what appeared to be a small hole [3. Q: So the exit wound was small? 4. A: Right.].

Hugh wrote;

Mark Twain said that all of us are ignorant just about different things. You are ignorant about Rolla not seeing the official "exit wound" and everything else that does not fit your conclusion.

Hugh, look at the further testimony from Rolla that indicates that he noted that there was trauma to the back of the head which he says appears to be an exit wound - from Page 170 of FOTPT:

Exhibit 114, Deposition of Park Police Investigator John Rolla, June 20, 1995:
"No trauma to the body other than what appeared to be an exit wound in the center rear portion of his head, blood under his head. There is no other trauma... it wasn't brains blown all over the place..."

How you can make an argument that Rolla was not aware of/or did not notice an exit wound, is beyond me.

Hugh wrote;

MEH also wrote: "You make a great case about conspiracy and the Nazi atrocities, but why can't you admit to your own blatantly erroneous misrepresentation of the official exit wound on your Page 195 in FOTPT, and will you write up an errata page..." GET YOUR OWN ERRATA PAGE! I never posted anything about Nazi atrocities.

Ooops, sorry. It was Michael Rivero who said something about Nazis - sorry about that....

You are uninformed, careless with the facts and not entitled to an opinion. Go debate someone at your own level. Your lack of knowledge bores me.

I admit to being careless about irrelevant statements like the reference about the Nazis but I am fairly well-informed about the Foster case. I will debate where and when I want.

Will you admit, ever, to your misreprentative placement of the official exit wound in your book, FOTPT on Page 195?

MEH

95 Posted on 02/06/2000 10:36:08 PST by meh
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MEH-

Is that the best you have from Rolla? That's it? It's pretty weak.

Look across at page 171 of Failure of the Public Trust FBIcover-up.com and you will see the actual notes of what the FBI wrote Rolla saw when he looked at the back of the head. It is right there after the words "back of the head". All four lines are REDACTED. Do you think it says "I saw a large exit wound & it was a 50 cent size hole"?

Do you think the FBI blacked out what Rolla saw because it was a description of the official exit wound? What are they hiding?

Remember I told you those who hide the truth prefer the darkness MEH. What is it about Rolla's description of the back of the head that cannot stand the light?

I think of people like you every time I see redactions MEH because you don't like the light either do you?

Twenty-six people are known to have seen Foster's body the night of July 20, 1993. I don't care if Rolla saw "trauma" or anything else he NEVER EVER said he saw the official 50-cent size "exit wound".

There were two paramedics, two medical doctors (that both looked at the head) an ambulance worker that cradled the head, and 22 other people besides Rolla that saw the body. How many of those people saw this official exit wound that you are so sure exists? Why don't you list all 26 people for us and tell us exactly how each of them described the official 50 cent sized "exit wound" in the official record. If you have such a great command of the record can you even name all 26 people in order?

How many described the offical 50 cent sized hole in the head? All of them? 15? 10? 5? 2? 1?
THE ANSWER IS NONE OF THEM DESCRIBED THE OFFICIAL WOUND, not even John Rolla.

You still have not convinced me that there was this large hole in Foster's head but I am beginning to think that you have a hole in your head. Perhaps you should see Dr. Beyer about that.:-)

96 Posted on 02/06/2000 15:35:28 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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The CASE AGAINST HILLARY

The Washington Weekly - Feb. 20, 1995 - Marvin Lee - Interview of Former Arkansas Supreme Court Judge Jim Johnson
"As an indication of the importance of the Hale case, the day the Federal subpoena went out to pick up the Hale papers is the day Vincent Foster was found dead. Foster was the Clinton's private attorney in the Whitewater transactions, and I believe when all the facts are made known through full scale Congressional hearings relative to the Clintons' wrongdoings, the felony committed with Hale will be less than the tip of the iceberg compared to the other shocking revelations which will be made."

The Special Committee's Whitewater Report - PART IV. DAVID HALE AND CAPITAL MANAGEMENT SERVICES, INC.

Special Agent Michael Patkus of the FBI testified at the trial that of the $300,000 loan from CMS to Master Marketing, $111,500 went to Flowerwood Farms to be used for loan payments.1083 One of the checks drawn on the Flowerwood Farms account was written to Whitewater Development Corporation in the amount of $24,455.06.1084 The memo section of the check reflected that the funds were for a loan.1085 Agent Patkus testified that the funds were deposited in Whitewater's account at Madison Guaranty were used to cover a check, dated March 22, 1985.1086 According to Agent Patkus, this March 22 check was made payable to Ozark Realty for $25,000.1087"

Tucker/McDougal Trial Closing Statements: W. Ray Jahn, Associate counsel, office of the independent counsel
"The Dean Paul loan. And I believe you remember there was some testimony concerning an urgency, a sense of urgency that was communicated in connection with the Dean Paul loan. This urgency is also reflected and overflows into the Master Marketing loan. Here's that call slip that you've seen. You've heard from Richard Smith where he talked about how the Flowerwood Farms loan, the loan that had been made back in 1985, had to be moved out of the institution. He was not going to renew it. He had made that determination when he made the loan. And this was his method, he testified, to communicate that to Mr. McDougal, that "You're going to have to move it out, Mr. McDougal."

Weekly Commentary - American Spectator - 9/18/98 - R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr.
"Then there is Flowerwood Farms. Investigators believe that Hillary personally guaranteed an illegal $135,000 loan from a small Arkansas bank to Flowerwood Farms, another of McDougal's deals. The money went elsewhere, some to a campaign kitty for Governor Clinton. Again it appears Hillary has lied about this under oath repeatedly."

U.S. News On-Line
"At this meeting, FHLBB determined that Mr. McDougal and Mr. Latham should be removed from Madison. On July 14, 1986, just three days after this meeting, Ms. Wright wrote a telling message to Governor Clinton that reads:

Curiously, on the very same day that Ms. Wright inquired about Governor Clinton's relationship with Mr. McDougal, Mrs. Clinton wrote a letter to Mr. McDougal and Mr. Latham terminating the Rose Law Firm's retainer agreement with Madison Guaranty.[3200] Along with the letter, Mrs. Clinton sent a check from the Rose Law Firm refunding Madison Guaranty's outstanding retainer balance.[3201]"

TESTIMONY OF L. JEAN LEWIS Before House Banking Committee, August 8, 1995
"These two checks were subsequently deposited to the Bill Clinton Political Committee account (#81-313) at the Bank of Cherry Valley, Cherry Valley, Arkansas. On the same day, Flowerwood Farms, Inc. an entity owned and operated by James B. and Susan H. McDougal, issued check number 000192 to Madison Guarantee for $3,000. This referral re-incorporates the allegation contained in previously submitted RTC criminal referral number C0004, that these funds were used to procure Madison cashier's check number Q2496 for $3,000, purchased in the name of former Senator J.W. Fulbright and payable to the Bill Clinton Campaign fund." "According to information obtained from an interview with James B. McDougal, conducted by former Special Investigative Counsel Jeff Garish of the Memphis law firm Borod & Huggins, hired by the Madison Guarantee Savings and Loan Board of Directors in late 1986 to investigate McDougal's activities at the thrift, McDougal admitted that he had been "signing documents for Senator Fulbright for twenty years," lending a strong degree of probability that the cashier's check in question was in fact purchased by McDougal and obtained in conjunction with the two checks from Peacock, as evidenced by the sequential order of the checks (#Q2496, 2497, 2498, and 2499)." "It should be noted that the signature on the Flowerwood Farms check is allegedly that of Susan McDougal. However, it bears no resemblance to Ms. McDougal's signature as it appears on numerous other Madison documents." "In addition, check number 688 for $3,000 payable to the Bill Clinton Campaign Fund was issued from James B. McDougal's personal account on April 4, 1985, signed by Susan McDougal, which appears to be her actual signature. As previously referenced in RTC criminal referral number C0004, this check was written on the McDougal's account when the balance was at a negative $7,897.73. The check was force-paid, allegedly on McDougal's authority, subsequently overdrawing the account to a negative $10,897.73. Both the check from McDougal's personal account and cashier's check number Q2496 were deposited into the same Bill Clinton Political Committee account at the Bank of Cherry Valley."

What Jean Lewis Knows

97 Posted on 02/06/2000 16:28:04 PST by Uncle Bill
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Prosecutors drafted indictment against Hillary Clinton

98 Posted on 02/06/2000 16:49:28 PST by Uncle Bill
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Documents Suggest Hillary Knew Craig Livingstone

99 Posted on 02/06/2000 16:58:56 PST by Uncle Bill
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bump again.

100 Posted on 02/06/2000 18:37:23 PST by rwz
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The biggest crime surrounding the Foster murder is not found in all the evidence, the Arkansas land dealings, or any Clinton shinanigans.

The most serious crime is the undeniable fact that the American Press concealed the existence and contents of 20 pages of evidence in Starr's Report that three federal judges ordered made public. The murder cover-up never could have succeeded with out the journalism community joining the cover-up. Just look what the journalists failed to tell the public at FBIcover-up.com see addendum.

101 Posted on 02/07/2000 07:00:34 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Hugh wrote;

How many described the offical 50 cent sized hole in the head? All of them? 15? 10? 5? 2? 1? THE ANSWER IS NONE OF THEM DESCRIBED THE OFFICIAL WOUND, not even John Rolla

MEH puts cotton batten in her ears...

WRONG!!! The following is additional supporting evidence of the existence of an exit wound seen in the Park:

262 Exhibit 81, Report of FBI interview of Park Police Investigator Christine Hodakievic, May 2, 1994: "She recalls the medical examiner inquiring about an exit wound and being informed by investigator John Rolla that he, Rolla, had found an exit wound at the back of the head."

You still have not convinced me that there was this large hole in Foster's head but I am beginning to think that you have a hole in your head. Perhaps you should see Dr. Beyer about that.:-)

Well, then in my case I'd spare him the trouble of having to make one then.... ;-)

TTYL,

MEH

102 Posted on 02/08/2000 17:10:09 PST by meh
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You are not telling me anything that I do not already know. I am aware of footnote 262 in our book. I found the quote and co-authored the book.

So there was no 50 cent size exit wound. That is the point. Congratulations you got it.

103 Posted on 02/08/2000 20:15:35 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Hugh wrote;

So there was no 50 cent size exit wound. That is the point. Congratulations you got it.

I have additional information. If you look on page 31-32 Exhibits.pdf, Rolla testifies that he observed a pool of blood directly under Foster's head that ran downhill along the back side where his body was. Now, skip ahead to page 46. Here Rolla further describes the blood as having soaked his shirt and gone about halfway down Foster's back.

The blood obviously had come from a wound situated behind the head.

I believe its your contention that this blood had come from Edwards moving Foster's head, correct? You also argue that there was a change in the amount blood seen on the front of Foster (along his shoulder) according to some witnesses and that is the basis for which you conclude that Edwards had touched the body.

Now if that is so, how can you also contend that the same source of blood (the mouth and nose) was voluminous enough to soak the shoulder area, pool under the head and run halfway down Foster's back soaking his shirt in the process?

That would be impossible as ONE, the blood coming from the mouth would only be able to run out at the area of the neck - NOT uphill to the area of the observed exit wound (top of occipital bone). And TWO, the amount required to soak the shirt and pool under the head would be large and sustained over a period of time - impossible from the volume from the mouth/naval cavity. THREE - according to you the blood from Edwards actions spilled to the front of the body (along the shoulder) reducing the amount required for spillage to the back.

Tracing the stream of blood to its source is clear-cut proof of the existence of an exit wound.

Also, Rolla is asked point blank whether he saw an entrance and exit wound to which he responds "Yes." See page 32 near bottom.

TTYL,

MEH

104 Posted on 02/10/2000 07:58:31 PST by meh
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Aw gee you missed it again. Rolla did not see the 50 cent size official "exit wound". You just keep saying that he did. As for the blood under Foster you failed to mention there was a bullet hole in his neck just under the jaw line seen by a paramedic and the neck wound was written up in the Report of the doctor who was at the scene.

As long as you continue to yap about this evidence or that evidence without any knowledge of ALL of the evidence you are ALWAYS going to reach the wrong stupid conclusions.

Keep working at it and try to study our book Failure of the Public Trust. You have mastered some facts but you have a lot to learn. Don't get discouraged it took me several years.

But now we have a great website that most people can understand. This subject might take others like yourself more time to comprehend because there is so much evidence. Some people just learn things faster than others but I am glad you are trying to get it.

Hang in there,
Hugh Turley
co-author of Failure of the Public Trust
FBIcover-up.com

105 Posted on 02/10/2000 10:07:41 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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MEH wrote;

Also, Rolla is asked point blank whether he saw an entrance and exit wound to which he responds "Yes." See page 32 near bottom.

Actually he was questioned whether he saw an exit wound OR an entrance wound.

MEH

106 Posted on 02/10/2000 14:47:10 PST by meh
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Hugh wrote;

Aw gee you missed it again. Rolla did not see the 50 cent size official "exit wound". You just keep saying that he did. As for the blood under Foster you failed to mention there was a bullet hole in his neck just under the jaw line seen by a paramedic and the neck wound was written up in the Report of the doctor who was at the scene.

Note also on page 393 in Exhibits.pdf that Rolla indicates seeing an extensive amount of blood on the shirt and back of Foster's head.

I guess what I am mainly getting at here is that there is evidence of an exit wound at the back of the head. It is clear that it is.

TTYL,

MEH

107 Posted on 02/10/2000 15:40:01 PST by meh
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Ya wrote:
"And tell me how blood from a NECK entrance wound finds its way upwards to the back of the head..."

You have demonstrated that you don't know which way is up.
Foster was face up therefore the back of his head was down. The blood did not flow upwards to his face but down toward the back of his head.

Have you read the record? Did you know that Foster was found face up? Since you don't know which way is up NO WONDER YOU THINK THERE WAS A 50 CENT SIZE EXIT WOUND.

Your arguments remind me of Christopher Ruddy "proving" that Foster's body "was moved by mistaking west for north. In his article "Mystery Grows Over Foster Death Scene", January 12, 1995, Ruddy wrote,"Haut said Foster's body was on the western embankment, an area over which the first cannon pointed."

Well duuuuh Mr. Ruddy, the first cannon points over the SOUTHERN embankment and Foster's body WAS IN FRONT OF THE SECOND CANNON that points over the WESTERN embankment.

Ruddy's error is really obvious when you view his map on page 26 of his first book "Vincent Foster, The Ruddy Investigation." ( he is still selling it) The map is off by 90 degrees! So much for Ruddy's evidence that the "body was moved".

Ruddy learned of his error from me and changed his map in his later book but not his "body moved theory."

So MEH, you are not the first one to get your directions confused. And I am not surprised that YOU and RUDDY AGREE that there was an "exit wound" when there wasn't any.

For the absolutely best evidence available about the Foster case visit our website at FBIcover-up.com

Hugh Turley
co-author of Failure of the Public Trust
FBIcover-up.com

108 Posted on 02/11/2000 15:35:44 PST by Hughie2u (Turley@acninc.net)
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Hugh;

Take a look at the following picture. And this is without bending the neck to accommodate the rest of the body along the slope. You can see that the blood flow from the Arthur wound (two inches below ear and near jawline) falls quite short of where Rolla sees the blood pool (at the back of the *head*).

THEREFORE, the blood pool and flow CLEARLY points to an exit wound in the head and cannot be mistaken for the blood from a neck wound.

TTYL,

MEH

109 Posted on 02/11/2000 17:32:33 PST by meh
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Oh, and Hugh, if we followed your positioning of the exit wound on your page 195 of FOTPT, then the wound on the head would be quite close to the top of the head (a position by the way, to which you have never admitted being incorrect), and would then be even further from the Arthur wound then I have illustrated here.

TTYL,

MEH

110 Posted on 02/11/2000 20:12:34 PST by meh
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There is a term for your posts.

It is called DISINFORMATION.
It involves the deliberate, calculated dissemination of equivocal data, partially true, partially erroneous, in order to conceal something, to divert people from something, to deflect attention in one or another peripheral or tangential direction. But the best lies are always embellishments or variations on the truth, not total fabrications. The most effective disinformation is always structured around a core of validity. It is from this core that the labyrinth of cul-de-sacs and blind alleys invariably radiates."

--Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln, "The Messianic Legacy" (New York: Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing, 1986), p. 268.

People with a sincere interest in the true facts are only a mouse click away from the most reliable and comprehesive information on the Foster murder at FBIcover-up.com

If people are interested in reading disinformation about your "official exit wound" that did not exist they can read Dr. Beyer's autopsy report, the Fiske Report, the Starr Report on Foster, and Christopher Ruddy's book.

111 Posted on 02/13/2000 08:29:51 PST by Hughie2u
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Hugh;

Disinformation? You tell me what is wrong with my picture. Meanwhile, ...

On page 196 of FOTPT, you write that;

It is logical that the blood that had soaked into the back of his shirt, and pooled on the ground under his head, had drained from the small caliber bullet hole observed in his neck.

A. I can't say for sure about how big the hole was. I can't really estimate. There was blood all around it, blood down the side of the neck.

"What I saw is what I saw. I saw blood all over the right side of the neck, from here down, all over the shoulder, [...]

TTYL,

MEH

112 Posted on 02/13/2000 14:53:41 PST by meh
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Great post Uncle Bill. You put a lot of work into this thread and I know we all appreciate it. I had bookmarked it for later reading because of it's length, and just got around to it today. Bumping it to the top. I've seen some of your other posts which are equally as good. Do you have any re: The NWO?

113 Posted on 02/14/2000 05:06:43 PST by IllumiNOTi
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bttt

114 Posted on 02/14/2000 22:21:37 PST by IllumiNOTi
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Bttt.

115 Posted on 03/15/2000 01:58:38 PST by Uncle Bill
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encyclopedic bump, unc

116 Posted on 03/24/2000 03:32:25 PST by thinden
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Bttt.

117 Posted on 03/24/2000 23:17:27 PST by Uncle Bill
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BTTT!!

118 Posted on 03/26/2000 00:22:03 PST by eazdzit (You Teach What You Tolerate & Discourage what you don't.)
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Bttt

119 Posted on 03/30/2000 13:05:51 PST by Uncle Bill
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Bttt

120 Posted on 07/19/2000 00:36:36 PDT by Uncle Bill
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Thought I'd give this a bump while there was a crowd here.

121 Posted on 10/03/2000 23:09:38 PDT by murdoog
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BTTT

122 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:44:31 PST by Uncle Bill
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The Next President Who Resides In The White House Will Sit In A House Where Murder Took Place.

If I asked you: Did Hollywood play an important role in getting Bill Clinton elected to President? You would surely say yes. If I asked you: Did the Hollywood elite with unbelievable inside information work very very close with Bill Clinton throughout his terms? You would surely say yes. Did this Hollywood elite help Bill Clinton during his Impeachment? You would surely say yes. Have you asked yourself why Hollywood made three movies dealing with high-level government cover-ups, murder, and conspiracies? Notice, all three of these movies began shooting not long after the assassination of Vince Foster. The three movies all were released together within a very short timetable. How come? Absolute Power, Murder at 1600, and Shadow Conspiracy. Why? Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

"Arnold Kopelson was immediately intrigued when he was offered the script for "Murder at 1600." "Lately, the White House has been vulnerable to a surprisingly wide variety of assaults," says the Oscar-winning producer. "It means that the events of the outside world could conceivably extend to that unique environment within the White House, and I was interested in what the consequences of that would be in the very fortress of American power."

123 Posted on 11/24/2000 14:11:52 PST by Uncle Bill
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As you can see, the government wants to let us know the truth about Foster.

124 Posted on 11/24/2000 14:41:29 PST by Uncle Bill
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............

125 Posted on 11/24/2000 15:56:01 PST by Uncle Bill
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BTTT

126 Posted on 11/26/2000 07:36:45 PST by Uncle Bill
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127 Posted on 11/28/2000 13:14:22 PST by Uncle Bill
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128 Posted on 12/09/2000 19:35:11 PST by Uncle Bill
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129 Posted on 12/21/2000 08:08:41 PST by B4Ranch
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Starr's Secret Reports

Dr. Brian Blackbourne's Report to Ken Starr on Vincent Foster's Death

Federal Court Hearing in Vincent Foster FOIA Case

Vincent Foster's Sister and Widow File Declarations in FOIA Lawsuit to Stop Release of Photos

TO RAY, NOTHING BUT UNDERBRUSH! Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, FBI Files

Federal Judge Orders Vincent Foster Body Photos Released

Does Ashcroft Know About Miquel Rodriguez and Vincent Foster?

THE MURDER OF VINCE FOSTER - The Role of the Press (Excerpt From "Failure of the Public Trust")

Vince Foster Revisited - Joseph Farah

Vince Foster Was Murdered

130 Posted on 03/22/2001 14:54:38 PST by Uncle Bill
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BTTT

131 Posted on 03/22/2001 18:52:37 PST by goseminoles
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BTTT

132 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:17:07 PDT by Uncle Bill
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Back at ya!

133 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:21:46 PDT by goseminoles
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NO EXCUSES!

134 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:27:07 PDT by BeAChooser
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:oP

135 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:34:28 PDT by goseminoles
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Geez! More spooky stuff!

136 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:39:54 PDT by backhoe
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BTTT

137 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:39:59 PDT by Uncle Bill
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What does your post #124 say? I cant quite read it.

138 Posted on 05/11/2001 13:44:06 PDT by goseminoles
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Click here and scroll to Summary Headquarters files. The point was the redacted report. So much for the truth and release of information. There's so little information I'm not even sure if they released the word "is" for fear of definition.

139 Posted on 05/11/2001 14:23:01 PDT by Uncle Bill
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Thanks.

140 Posted on 05/11/2001 14:41:26 PDT by goseminoles
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"More spooky stuff"

Yep

141 Posted on 05/11/2001 16:16:43 PDT by ChaseR
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I ought to know better than to get my hopes up, but it almost seems like this stuff is finally coming to a head... beyond the ability of the 'toon-worshippers & the news and entertainment industry ( yeah, like they aren't related! ) to contain it.

Time will tell the tale....

142 Posted on 05/11/2001 17:20:35 PDT by backhoe
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Things that make you go hmmmm time.

143 Posted on 05/13/2001 03:17:41 PDT by Born in a Rage
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BTTT

144 Posted on 05/13/2001 08:13:22 PDT by P-Marlowe
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fyi

145 Posted on 05/27/2001 15:37:56 PDT by ChaseR
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Keep hoping..I am.

146 Posted on 05/27/2001 15:39:00 PDT by ChaseR
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back to ya

147 Posted on 05/27/2001 15:39:57 PDT by ChaseR
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Great thread. Thanks for bringing it to the attention of Freepers who missed it the first time around. Maybe Mark Furman's book will give this case the public attention it deserves. David Horowitz finally realized the depravity of the left when the Black Panthers caused, then covered up a murder of one of their own. Perhaps this case will cause a few good people to leave the Dem. organized crime machine.

148 Posted on 05/27/2001 16:51:12 PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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Perhaps this case will cause a few good people to leave the Dem. organized crime machine.

Or, if it turns out that Ashcroft does not reopen the investigation of this case to answer some of the many questions that have been asked, it may cause some to leave the GOP. The GOP needs to understand that there are NO EXCUSES for not investigating this, the death of Brown, Filegate, Chinagate, Emailgate, and the many campaign finance violations of the DNC/Clintons. If that hasn't happened by the midterms, the GOP may find itself charged with complicity in the coverup and being asked WHY?

149 Posted on 05/27/2001 20:20:47 PDT by BeAChooser
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"Perhaps this case will cause a few good people to leave the Dem. organized crime machine."

Let's hope so.

150 Posted on 05/28/2001 15:00:56 PDT by ChaseR
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true!

151 Posted on 06/04/2001 09:07:21 PDT by stand watie
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TO: Webmaster Jim Robinson/FreeREPUBLIC.com RE: Weblinks: Official Website: Vince Foster's death was not a suicide With the turning of the guard in the White House why does the Bush administration not reopen an investigation into Vince Foster's suicide with all the medical evidence gathered and so much evidence out there? I hope FreeREPUBLIC readers will all collectively urge Congressmen to call for an inquiry including Congressmen most likely to get action, such as Sen Edward Kennedy (D,Massachusetts) whose family knows the endless pain of family members being assassinated, as the mysterious death of Vince Foster, to any informed reader delving beyond the FBI "official report" knows better.. after the FBI covered up murder after murder, the latest one covered by 60 MINUTES on MAY 20,2001 (only after the BBC first covered it in Great Britain), of the Fransiscan Priest John Kaiser. cc: US Senator John McCain, Arizona cc:Sen PaulWellstone(D,MN)(leading Kaiser Congrss'l inquiry) cc: Sen Grassey (R),IOWA chuck_grassley@grassley.senate.gov cc: Senator Orrin Hatch(R),UT senator_hatch@Hatch.senate.gov cc: US Senator Arlen Specter (R - Pennsylvania) cc: Sen Edward Kennedy senator@kennedy.senate.gov cc: Sen Dick Durbin dick@durbin.senate.gov cc: Sen Diane Feinstein(D),CA senator@feinstein.senate.gov cc: Retired Albuquerque attorney Martin B. Paskind P.O. Drawer J. Albuquerque cc: Aristotle Net http://www.aristotle.net/politics96/messages/824.html RE: 4 Washington DC attorneys show FORENSIC EVIDENCE on their WEBSITE that PROVES VINCE FOSTER's death was *NOT* a suicide,he was murdered for the inside secrets he knew of the White House coverups and misdeeds, and information he gathered in the course of defending President Clinton in scandal after scandal. Just because the FBI official Report" says it was suicide, well .. we know the credibility of todays FBI on "official reports on suicides". CONGRESS SHOULD OPEN AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER given the Official Virginia Ofifce of CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER's REPORT. Just as Fransiscan Priest John Kaiser's death was *NOT* a suicide, as covered by 60 Minutes and BBC Correspondants, it becomes obvious that FBI reports are completely politically tainted in "Official Account of Suicide in the death of Vince Foster" and subsequent FBI cover-up smacking of the same kind of conspiracy in the doubt cast on the commission appointed to study the assassination of JFK .. whether all the evidence will ever be in, is questionable, but it clearly isn't suicide from all these credible sources saying otherwise. RE: Aristotle Net's coverage___ VINCE FOSTER'S DEATH WAS NOT A SUICIDE RE: 60 Minutes May 20th coverage of murder of Fr. John Kaiser, BBC "Correspondent" Documentary, "Death of a Priest" aired in Great Britain February 24th {Once again, the FBI gets it wrong in the case of the report on the murder of a Priest in Uganda } KEEP UP THE PRESSURE, PAUL ! "I appeal to the American people not to let the State Department or particularly the FBI be hoodwinked by Moi." - Paul Muite, a prominent attorney and opposition member of parliament, who said Kaiser told him in late July about death threats http://www.frontier.net/~johnnyd/kaiser/ TO Larry Spohn Albuquerque Tribune TO: Honorable Senator Wellstone TO: FreeREPUBLIC.com webmaster Jim Robinson (jimrob@freerepublic.com) Please take the time to POINT a new link on FREE REPUBLIC http://hometown.aol.com/allanf8702/options.htm and all the links in this website to other websites and point to links on Barnes and Nobles for books on the Vince Foster murder coverup Book Review of Christopher Ruddy's "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" Hugh Sprunt has MBA & JD degrees from Stanford University, and BS and MS degrees in earth & planetary science from M.I.T. He also is one of the very few CPAs in the country certified as a Personal Financial Specialist by the American Institute of CPAs. I have watched the November 20, 1997, Hugh Sprunt video. Read what the website has to offer: "This tape is an excellent and lively introduction to the Vincent Foster case that provides many details to justify the following statement from Dr. Thomas Sowell: Any number of things might have happened on July 20, 1993, when Vincent Foster's body was discovered in Marcy Park. The hardest thing to reconcile with the evidence is that he committed suicide in that park. " READ An article explaining about the newly released certified copy (PDF 407KB) of the Virginia Office of Chief Medical Examiner's apparently original version of the Haut Report. (This is the newest certified copy released and it is apparently a first generation copy from the original.) I listened with dismay at the 60 Minutes report on the "official FBI ruling of suicide" in the report covering up the corrupt police assassination actions, and the FBI where murdered priest John Kaiser's death was "OFFICIALLY INVESTIGATED AND DETERMINED TO BE SUICIDE". Anyone who viewed the 60 Minutes video coverage of interviews of persons close to the operations of the priest who knew him, and dug even remotely into the files could see it was murder : a man doesn't get (1) Shot in the leg, and run 4 miles if he is trying to commit suicide, then (after he is presumably near death), light himself on fire to finish himself off.. the "excuses" offered in the FBI account made 60 Minutes gloat with disbelief, and excuse the irreverant laugh, but the excuses were so incredulously laughable of how it could be suicide, when it was obvious that his car was torched to hide the evidence of 2 failed attempts at murder by his assassins. 60 Minute's HIGHLY CRITICAL airing on MAY 20th, of the FBI report that was released on April 18th, 2001, where the FBI issued a report saying that Fr. John's death was "consistent with suicide" made a MOCKERY of the man's death and swept under the table the continued VIOLENCE in AFRICA. PLEASE LAUNCH AN IMMEDIATE CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION AGAIN, and KEEP THE PRESSURE UP, PAUL WELLSTONE !!!!! _________________________________________________________________- http://www.frontier.net/~johnnyd/kaiser/nation060301.htm . All who knew and loved John know this is a mistake. He warned us that his enemies would try to make his death look like a suicide. Secratary of State, Colin Powell will be travelling to Kenya in late May. We hope Mr. Powell will not ignore the issue of John's death report would be FBI report on April 18th, 2001, where the FBI issued a report saying that Fr. John's death was "consistent with suicide". All who knew and loved John know this is a mistake. He warned us that his enemies would try to make his death look like a suicide. Secratary of State, Colin Powell will be travelling to Kenya in late May. We hope Mr. Powell will not ignore the issue of John's death The best place to begin for those who know little about the Foster death is my article about my Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the Office of Independent Counsel that was decided by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. The 2-1 decision said that "Favish, in fact, tenders evidence and argument which, if believed, would justify his doubts" about the official conclusion that Foster committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park. Of course, what evidence is not to be believed? The only evidence I gave the court was official government documents. My credibility was not the issue. The evidentiary citations for the points in that article are in my Appellant's Opening and Reply briefs (listed below). On January 11, 2001, in a two-page order, a federal district court judge in Los Angeles ordered the OIC to release five original Polaroids of Vincent Foster's body as it laid in the park. Here is page 1 and page 2 of the order. More documents from this FOIA lawsuit are below in the section entitled "Freedom of Information Act Lawsuit to Obtain Foster Investigation Photographs, Case Documents for Favish v. OIC". Then read the article entitled "Will Starr Find a Smoking Gun in the Vincent Foster Case" listed below. Then visit J.C. Huntington's web site for the best introduction to many of the reasons why the government's official reports on the death of Vincent Foster are not credible, especially his discussions about the medical evidence. Then read Hugh Sprunt's "Anatomy of a Head Wound" and his analysis of Ken Starr's report on the Foster death, both listed below. For the newest comprehensive analysis of the Foster case, see below for the report by attorney John Clarke that was unsealed by the Special Division of the United States Court of Appeals on September 14, 1999. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FBI Memo Written Two Days After Foster's Death Saying That There Was "NO EXIT WOUND." (Adobe Acrobat PDF 180KB) (The document was obtained in late March 1998 by a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit for Reed Irvine's Accuracy in Media. The lawsuit was filed in the federal district court in Washington, D.C., as AIM v. FBI, Civil Action No. 97-CV-02107-GK.) The memo comes in two versions: a draft version and a final version. Both versions are included in this download. The numbers at the bottom right corners of the pages are exhibit numbers placed by the FBI as part of their document production to AIM and Judicial Watch. The draft version of the memo is numbered 2-4 and the final version is numbered 260-262. Neither Kenneth Starr or Robert Fiske ever mentioned this memo, although it conflicts with the official conclusion of an exit wound in the back of Mr. Foster's head. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Haut Report (Adobe Acrobat PDF 322KB). This file contains 3 pages. The first page is a letter size declaration by Hugh Sprunt authenticating the Haut Report as the document he found in the National Archives with Patrick Knowlton. Pages 2 & 3 comprise the Haut Report and are on legal size pages. The copies of the Haut Report from the Office of Independent Counsel and the Virginia Office of Chief Medical Examiner are on letter size paper. Here is an explanation of the Haut Report written before the release of the OIC's copy and the Virginia Medical Examiner's copy. An article explaining about the newly released copy (PDF 433KB) of the Office of Independent Counsel's certified copy of the Haut Report. (The OIC's certified copy does not match the previously released certified copy of the report.) The OIC's declaration authenticating the copy of its certified copy. An article explaining about the newly released certified copy (PDF 407KB) of the Virginia Office of Chief Medical Examiner's apparently original version of the Haut Report. (This is the newest certified copy released and it is apparently a first generation copy from the original.) Freedom of Information Act lawsuit to inspect the original version of the Haut Report. HTML version of lawsuit with links to exhibits Adobe Acrobat PDF verson of lawsuit with exhibits (1.1MB) Note that the Haut Report (part of exhibit 2 to the lawsuit) is on legal size paper. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Sowell on the Vincent Foster Death -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT LAWSUIT TO OBTAIN FOSTER INVESTIGATION PHOTOGRAPHS Case Documents for Favish v. OIC May 30, 2001 My opening brief in my appeal to obtain public release of the five photos withheld by the district court (Adobe Acrobat PDF 235KB). March 5, 2001 Federal district court judge William Keller denied my motion to compel testimony from former OIC prosecutor Miquel Rodriguez and his former assistant, Lucia Rambusch. However, the judge also denied the motions by the OIC and Vincent Foster's former wife and one of his sisters to reverse his January 11 decision that 5 of the 10 disputed Polaroids must be made public. The bottom line: I will be appealing the decision to withhold 5 of the 10 photos and the prohibition on obtaining the testimony of Rodriguez and Rambusch. I expect the OIC and Foster's two relatives will appeal the decision to release the other 5 photos. It could be 1-2 years before the Ninth Circuit decides the case. February 26, 2001 The reply by one of Foster's two sisters and his former wife in support of their motion to alter the judgment (Adobe Acrobat PDF 678KB). February 26, 2001 The OIC's reply in support of its motion to alter the judgment (Adobe Acrobat PDF 1.7MB). February 24, 2001 My reply to the OIC's opposition to my motion to compel testimony from former OIC prosecutor Miquel Rodriguez and his former OIC assistant Lucia Rambusch (Adobe Acrobat PDF 23KB). February 20, 2001 The OIC's opposition to my motion to compel testimony from former OIC prosecutor Miquel Rodriguez and his former OIC assistant Lucia Rambusch regarding allegations of illegal conduct by OIC and FBI personnel as to one or more of the photos at issue in this case (Adobe Acrobat PDF 2.4MB). February 16, 2001 My opposition to the motions by the OIC and two members of the Foster family (Adobe Acrobat PDF 117KB) (exhibits omitted from online version). January 29, 2001 The motion by one of Foster's two sisters and his former wife to alter the judgment (Adobe Acrobat PDF 1.2MB). January 29, 2001 The OIC's motion to alter the judgment (Adobe Acrobat PDF 3MB). January 19, 2001 The motion (Adobe Acrobat PDF 35KB) to insure that any photos produced by the OIC are the pristine originals. The motion asks the court to compel the testimony of former OIC prosecutor Miquel Rodriguez and his former OIC assistant Lucia Rambusch regarding allegations of illegal conduct by OIC and FBI personnel as to one or more of the photos at issue in this case. The exhibits to the draft are omitted from this online version, but the pertinent portions are quoted in the motion. January 11, 2001 In a two-page order, the federal district court orders the OIC to release five original Polaroids of Vincent Foster's body as it laid in Fort Marcy Park. Here is page 1 and page 2 of the order. October 13, 2000 The transcript of the hearing at which the OIC's attorney said that the OIC did not want to show the district court judge the original photos, but instead wanted to show him copies. The judge rejected that position and ordered the originals to be produced to him. The OIC's attorney also said that the OIC did not want to release the original of the "gun-in-hand" photo. This was despite the fact that the OIC's only basis for arguing that the photo be withheld was that it was "graphic, explicit, and extremely upsetting," and the Ninth Circuit ruled that the OIC's description was "not true". At this hearing I also told the judge I intended to file a motion to compel testimony as described below. July 12, 2000 The decision by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ordering the OIC to produce nine Polaroid photos of Vincent Foster's body in Fort Marcy Park to the district court judge for his inspection. The decision also ordered the "gun in hand" photo to be released to the public. The decision also said that "Favish, in fact, tenders evidence and argument which, if believed, would justify his doubts" about the official conclusion. November 1, 1999 Streaming Real Audio of oral argument (46 minutes). October 27, 1999 Article about upcoming oral argument. September 28, 1999 The Ninth Circuit schedules oral argument for Monday, November 1, 1999, at 1:30 p.m., in Courtroom 2, at the Richard H. Chambers U.S. Court of Appeals Building, 125 S. Grand Ave., Pasadena, CA 91105; tel. (626) 583-7000. June 21, 1999 Appellant filed a copy of the "no exit wound" FBI memo described above with the Ninth Circuit and asked the court to take judicial notice of it. The memo was not publicly available when the district court made its decision. This will allow the Ninth Circuit and the parties to cite to the FBI memo. August 31, 1998 Appellant's Reply Brief (Adobe Acrobat PDF 92KB) June 14, 1998 Newly Released Color Photographs April 13, 1998 Appellant's Opening Brief (Adobe Acrobat PDF 186KB) March 9, 1998 Summary Judgment Decision (Adobe Acrobat PDF 651KB) March 9, 1998 Transcript of Summary Judgment Hearing March 5, 1998 The OIC's Declaration of Sheila Foster Anthony (a sister of Vincent Foster) (Adobe Acrobat PDF 175KB) March 2, 1998 Plaintiff's Reply to the OIC's Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Adjudication of Issues (Adobe Acrobat PDF 145KB) February 23, 1998 The OIC's Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Adjudication of Issues (without exhibits) (Adobe Acrobat PDF 1.3 MB) (temporarily off the web site; e-mail me if you want it) February 11, 1998 Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Adjudication of Issues (without exhibits) (Adobe Acrobat PDF 190KB) Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Adjudication of Issues (WITH exhibits) (Adobe Acrobat PDF 8.75MB) January 5, 1998 Declaration of the Associate Independent Counsel Darrell M. Joseph July 9, 1997 Transcript of Mandatory Status Conference March 6, 1997 Complaint At a hearing on March 9, 1998, Judge William Keller of the Federal District Court for the Central District of California, in Los Angeles, ruled: 1. The OIC does not have to release the 10 photos that show parts of Foster's body as it lay in Fort Marcy Park. (Those 10 photos are among those listed on an FBI evidence receipt.) 2. The OIC does have to release the photo of Foster's eyeglasses on the ground at Fort Marcy Park. 3. The OIC does have to supply color copies for all photos it releases to me, and has released to me, if the originals were in color. Instructions for Obtaining the Documents that Have Been Released to AJF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anatomy of the Head Wound, an Analysis of Robert Bracci's Discovery, by Hugh Sprunt (with explanatory anatomical diagram). [Comment by AJF: The autopsy doctor reported an entrance wound in the back of the throat, but also reported an exit wound in the middle-back of the head that does not line-up with an entrance wound in the back of the throat. Despite the autopsy report's location of the entrance wound, the Fiske and Starr reports placed the entrance wound in the roof of the mouth, apparently so it would line-up with the autopsy report's exit wound. This proves three things: the truth about the wounds is uncertain, the autopsy report and the Fiske and Starr reports have no credibility, and since it should have been very easy to accurately report the wound information, the government's failure to do so strongly indicates lying and obstruction of justice.] See below for more analysis of the Foster death by Mr. Sprunt, including his February 1999 version of his full analysis of Ken Starr's report on the Foster death. For additional discussion by Mr. Sprunt and others about Foster's head wound, read the threads on Free Republic: Thread #1: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36e17f1e4260.htm Thread #2: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a36fd711937a7.htm Thread #3: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3721081d6867.htm Thread #4: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a378ea69d21c3.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARTICLE PLUS EVIDENCE: WILL STARR FIND A SMOKING GUN IN THE VINCENT FOSTER CASE? Presented in two formats: Adobe Acrobat PDF (1 file, 1.5MB) (If you can use Acrobat Reader, this is the most efficient option.) Use your right mouse button to click on the link and save the linked file to your hard disk. Download time: approximately 11 minutes with a 33.6 modem. To read the Adobe Acrobat file, download Adobe Acrobat Reader free from Adobe! HTML & GIF (multiple files) The gif image files are full page scans. Web browser programs, including Netscape, cannot print the full page images on a single page. To print the full page image on a single page, view the image and then download the image file using your browser's FILE and SAVE AS commands. When you are offline use an image viewer program to print the full image on a single page such as Microsoft Imager or LView, which is available in the graphics section of Earthlink's software library (http://www.earthlink.com/nethelp/win_apps/ ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Letter to the editor of the Weekly Standard magazine, as published in the November 10, 1997 issue. The letter criticizes an article by Byron York about Ken Starr's report on the Vince Foster death. Following the letter is the response by Mr. York, also published in the magazine. My response to Mr. York, as yet unpublished in the magazine, is also included. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Court Documents Filed by John Clarke Including his Recent Report to the Court Explaining How the FBI, the Park Police and the OIC Withheld Vital Information from the Public and Misrepresented the Facts LETTER DATED JULY 29, 1997, BY PATRICK KNOWLTON'S ATTORNEY, JOHN CLARKE, TO THE THREE-JUDGE PANEL THAT RECEIVED KEN STARR'S REPORT ON VINCENT FOSTER'S DEATH. Download the letter in Adobe Acrobat PDF format (1.1MB) MOTION DATED JULY 29, 1997, BY PATRICK KNOWLTON'S ATTORNEY, JOHN CLARKE, TO THE THREE-JUDGE PANEL THAT RECEIVED KEN STARR'S REPORT ON VINCENT FOSTER'S DEATH. The motion asks the court to furnish Knowlton relevant portions of the report and for an opportunity to include comments and factual information as an appendix to the report. The motion includes the two-page Dr. Haut report mentioning a "gunshot wound mouth to neck" that contradicts the autopsy report and the Fiske Report. Download the motion in Adobe Acrobat PDF format (1.8MB) CLARKE'S OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNMENT'S MOTION TO DISMISS KNOWLTON'S LAWSUIT. PART II OF THE OPPOSITION CONTAINS EVIDENCE SUPPORTING KNOWLTON'S ALLEGATION OF A CONSPIRACY TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE IN THE FOSTER CASE. Download the opposition in Adobe Acrobat PDF format (6MB) WEB SITE OF PATRICK KNOWLTON'S ATTORNEY, JOHN CLARKE Knowlton's Second Amended Complaint, filed Oct. 21, 1998 HUGH SPRUNT VINCENT FOSTER PRESENTATION ON VIDEO! Hugh Sprunt's November 20, 1997, presentation to a local San Fernando Valley community group, the Granada Forum, is available on video. The price is $10.00, plus shipping & handling of $2.00 for the first tape, plus $1.00 each for additional tapes. The presentation is on one cassette and lasts over 2.5 hours. Send name, address, phone number and check or money order to: Dennis Whipple 14525 1/2 Garfield Ave. Paramount, CA 90723 Voice: (562) 633-9981 Fax: (562) 633-9982 Request the November 20, 1997, Hugh Sprunt video. This tape is an excellent and lively introduction to the Vincent Foster case that provides many details to justify the following statement from Dr. Thomas Sowell: Any number of things might have happened on July 20, 1993, when Vincent Foster's body was discovered in Marcy Park. The hardest thing to reconcile with the evidence is that he committed suicide in that park. September 18, 1997 (and thereafter as published in various newspapers) Nationally Syndicated Column Book Review of Christopher Ruddy's "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" Hugh Sprunt has MBA & JD degrees from Stanford University, and BS and MS degrees in earth & planetary science from M.I.T. He also is one of the very few CPAs in the country certified as a Personal Financial Specialist by the American Institute of CPAs. He has written over fourteen published articles on the Foster case and his "Citizen's Independent Report" (201KB zip file of an MS Word file) on the death was requested by Starr's Office of Independent Counsel in 1995. He was on the cover of the New York Times Magazine, February 23, 1997, because of his investigation into the Foster death and has been interviewed by Starr's Office of Independent Counsel. Hugh Sprunt's analysis of Kenneth Starr's report on the Foster death is available here. Kenneth Starr's report on the Foster death (with appendix) is available online, courtesy of John Clarke, Hugh Turley and Patrick Knowlton at: http://fbicover-up.com/starr/starrreport.htm Starr's report (with appendix) can be obtained from the U.S. Government Printing Office. Report to Kenneth Starr on Foster's death by Dr. Brian Blackbourne (Adobe Acrobat PDF 551KB). The Vince Foster section of Mike Rivero's Web Site Additionally, two major books discussing the Foster case are in bookstores now: "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster: An Investigation" by Christopher Ruddy "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton: The Unreported Stories" by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Both books can be ordered online from http://www.amazon.com/ or http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ An article condemning the dominant media's coverage of the Foster case: "America's Dreyfus Affair: The Case of the Death of Vince Foster," by Dave Martin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUEST FOR VIDEOTAPE AND LOG ENTRIES OF FOSTER LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE ON HIS DAY OF DEATH Administrative Appeal to Secret Service (Adobe Acrobat PDF 4KB) (December 18, 1998) Secret Service Response to FOIA Request (gif file 44KB) (November 19, 1998) FOIA Request (Adobe Acrobat PDF 7KB) (February 25, 1998)

152 Posted on 06/09/2001 13:21:43 PDT by nasaengineer
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Good information nasaengineer. There are so many formal investigations that need to be opened including Foster, but likewise....
CHINAGATE/Raidy/Espionage/Hillary/Treason/DelusionalDemocrats!(Hello, Hello- - Hello ...Mr Ashcroft!)

153 Posted on 06/09/2001 18:50:17 PDT by ChaseR
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bump

154 Posted on 06/24/2001 17:07:18 PDT by ChaseR
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Bttt^....

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155 Posted on 06/24/2001 17:23:29 PDT by backhoe
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"There is absolutely no credible evidence to contradict the Fiske report's conclusion, that Vincent Foster took his own life. And that it happened at Fort Marcy Park."
Orrin Hatch - U.S. Senator

Hatch was BCCI's mouthpiece

Senator Orrin Hatch cuts deal With George W. Bush for first vacancy on U.S.Supreme Court
""Bush is said to have penciled in Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch as top man on the list when a vacancy occurs. Hatch is considered an easy confirmation in the Senate, and is expected to maintain a conservative foundation on the court. The deal has been in the works from the very beginning of the campaign, and will result in the appointment of Republican Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt as Hatch's replacement in the Senate. Asked about the potential appointment a source within the Bush organization said "Nothing is cut in stone, but it's clear that certain people are high on the list."

Robert Fiske, the first appointed Independent Counsel to investigate the Foster assassination, was very much involved in The BCCI Affair.

The Preliminary Report On Vincent Foster by Robert Fiske.

Note that Fiske's report was only preliminary. His final report on Vincent Foster remains sealed. When the Wall Street Journal filed a Freedom Of Information Act request to force the release of Fiske's final report, the court, in an unprecedented prior restraint, ordered the Wall Street Journal not to report on the case, or to even mention what the final ruling actually was.

This illegal prior restraint is one of the indicators, which reveals how terrified the government is of the facts behind the death of Vincent Foster.

Conclusion of US House Report on Robert Fiske's Report on Vincent Foster
"The bottom line is the Fiske report is inaccurate, the Fiske report has glaring holes in it, the Fiske report as it is presently constituted, is not worth the paper it is written on."

Just remember what Orrin Hatch stated above. He said: "There is absolutely no credible evidence to contradict the Fiske report's conclusion, that Vincent Foster took his own life. And that it happened at Fort Marcy Park.".

"Traffic" - starring Orrin Hatch and Barbara Boxer
"Playing themselves in a scene that represents high-level Washington networking are Senators Barbara Boxer, Orrin Hatch and Charles Grassley, all of whom are associated with drug decriminalization legislation or backing." - "Traffic"

"We can all agree that there's no place in this hearing room for lurid speculation, about the tragic circumstances surrounding the suicide of Vincent Foster. The Independent Counsel has spoken on this issue, the Justice Department and the Park Police have concurred."
James Sasser - U.S. Senator

"The exploitation of Vincent Foster's death by those who want to hurt this presidency, is one of the saddest chapters in our recent political history."
Barbara Boxer - U.S. Senator

Post #33

The Octopus, Inslaw, PROMIS, Systematics and The Tentacles of Corruption - The Links

The Inslaw Scandal

Vince Foster's Frequent Travels

The Washington Weekly
Editorial
May 29, 1995

Investigative reporter Evans Ambrose-Pritchard of the London Telegraph has obtained information on the travel records of White House aide Vince Foster, who was found dead in Fort Marcy Park in 1993.

The travel records show, to the surprise of everybody including Foster's family, that he had frequent travels to Switzerland. The last travel was scheduled to take place after the date Foster was found dead.

What did Foster do in Switzerland that was so secret that he could not even tell his wife about it? Nobody knows for sure, but we have some pretty good indications from the work that Foster was involved in right up to his death.

As Deputy White House Counsel, Foster worked in the office of Bernard Nussbaum, who was fired when his attempts to block the Whitewater investigation became public. In that office, Foster was involved in every scandal that this gruesome administration was involved in during its first year: Travelgate, Waco, Whitewater, Inslaw, in addition to those that have yet to become public.

Jerry Seper of the Washington Times has obtained FBI interview transcripts of Foster's wife in which she claims that Foster was "horrified" over what had happened in Waco. But earlier released testimony reveals that Foster had more on his mind. He was seeking a psychiatrist that would not reveal top secret information. A psychiatrist told the FBI that he was contacted four days before the death of Vince Foster by his sister, Sheila Anthony, who worked in the Justice Department. Anthony explained that Foster was working on "Top Secret" issues at the White House and "that his depression was directly related to highly sensitive and confidential matters"

One of those top secret affairs might have been the Inslaw scandal. Inslaw was a software company that developed management software, PROMIS, that could be used as a case management system and could be used to track international banking funds. PROMIS was stolen by the Justice Department and distributed to other agencies without permission from Inslaw. With the help of the highly respected lawyer, former Attorney General Elliot Richardson, Inslaw sued the Justice Department, but received no fair treatment in the courts. Congress started to look into the issue. The Justice Department appointed Nicholas Bua to look into the allegations by Inslaw, but he found no merit to the charges of theft by the Justice Department. Inslaw considered the Bua report an internal Justice Department whitewash, and submitted a 90-page rebuttal to the Bua report. The Bua rebuttal said that Inslaw had 11 people who would swear under oath that the company's software had been stolen by the Justice Department - if an investigation was done by someone outside of the Justice Department.

This is where Vince Foster enters the picture. The Bua rebuttal was given to Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell on July 12, 1993. According to John Crudele of the New York Post, Hubbell and Foster owned a small amount of stock in the Arkansas company Systematics that was also illegally selling the software. And both Hubbell and Foster had done lawyering for Systematics.

Did the Bua rebuttal have anything to do with Foster's death? Foster would not have been the first person in the Inslaw scandal to die. On August 10, 1991, just as he was about to receive information linking Iran-Contra to the Inslaw scandal, investigative reporter Danny Casolaro was found with his wrists slit in the bathtub of a hotel room in West Virginia.

Were Foster's frequent travels to Switzerland (he had 500,000 miles with one airline company alone!) linked to Inslaw and Mena, i.e. international money laundering of drug money entering Arkansas?

A brief review of the investigation of the death of Vince Foster reveals that indeed there seem to be powerful forces blocking a full disclosure of the circumstances surrounding his death:

(1) Foster's office was searched and files removed just a few hours after his body was found. Sources told John Crudele of the New York Post that one of the files contained documents relating to Inslaw.

(2) Special Counsel Robert Fiske reached his conclusion of "no foul play" before his investigation of the Foster death was completed.

(3) When Whitewater Prosecutor Rodriguez started an aggressive interrogation of Park Police officers who conducted the initial investigation, he resigned, allegedly because his investigation was thwarted by superiors.

The only remaining hope for full disclosure appears to be full and unlimited hearings by the Senate Special Whitewater Committee, which has scheduled hearings for June or July.
[End of Transcript]

WAS VINCE FOSTER DEPRESSED? REALLY?

"I once asked a gathering of thirty Washington journalists what they considered to be the most compelling evidence that Vincent Foster committed suicide. There was a brief silence, then somebody said: ‘Well, he was depressed.’

It was a very good answer. The depression is all they have, and by ‘they’ I mean Fiske, Starr, the Justice Department, the White House, The Washington Post, the governing class. Take that away, and there is nothing left to sustain the ruling of suicide. Nothing."
The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard - Page 231.

Riddle of the Spooks in the White House

THE PARKS MURDER - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Foster death report sees professional 'hit'

Zogby Poll: Nearly 70% of Americans Don't Accept Foster "Suicide"

156 Posted on 06/24/2001 18:42:48 PDT by Uncle Bill
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"...the Rosetta Stone..."

Indeed...MUD

157 Posted on 06/27/2001 13:14:57 PDT by Mudboy Slim
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anniversary bump

158 Posted on 07/20/2001 09:42:42 PDT by murdoog
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Don't mind me. I'm just practicin' my html. .... testing...testing...

Please return to what you were doing previously...Anony-MUD

159 Posted on 07/20/2001 16:55:16 PDT by Mudboy Slim
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