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BUYING AN INTERVENTION; KOSOVO AND ALBANIAN PAC MONEY IN CONGRESS

Politics/Elections Opinion (Published) Keywords: MCCAIN, KLA, ELECTIONS
Source: The Strategic Issues Research Institute
Published: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 Author: Benjamin Works
Posted on 02/18/2000 09:26:16 PST by Habeas corpussel

Hack and I, along with a select group of others, have been at war with the KLA over its heroin and terrorist connections. We also knew something about how political money bought this war policy. Here's the story. Back in 1995, late in the Bosnian war, I got a reference to a 1986 Senate Resolution proposed by Senator Bob Dole of Kansas, decrying Yugoslavian official oppression of the Albanian population of Kosovo --that's 1986, when the Albanian Autonomous government was still fully operational. Joseph DioGuardi, a New York Republican, sponsored the companion House Resolution, both of which never emerged from committee.

I got a copy of that Senate Resolution Nr. 150 from the Congressional Register of June 19, 1986 and then let it sit in my file for a long time, while the NATO occupation of Bosnia appeared to keep things calm. Meanwhile, Bob Dole managed to lose the 1996 Presidential Election, then vigorously supported Mr. Clinton's year-by-year extensions for keeping some 6900 US soldiers in Bosnia. As the KLA insurrection in Kosovo reached civil war levels, I began to think about that resolution and how it misrepresented history. I had done considerable reading on the origins of the Yugoslav conflicts, pulling Washington Post, New York Times and other reports from the 1980s, bearing on Kosovo and the collapse of the Federative Republic's communist government under the pressure of ethnic-nationalism.

Well, pieces fit together showing that all along it has been the ethnic nationalist fascist losers of World War II in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo who have been exploiting the political process in Germany and the United States. Their goal has been to effect the division of Yugoslavia and the cleansing of Serbian populations from their territories, while purporting that "Greater Serbia" was the menace to European security and not the post-fascist "Greater Croatia" and "Greater Albania." Survivors of the Croat Ustashe movement in southern Germany began their work in the 1960s, but Joseph DioGuardi must be given credit for a sustained campaign to influence Congress beginning in the mid-1970s.

DioGuardi, an Albanian American whose ancestors came from an Albanian transplant community in the heel of Italy, sat in Congress for several years in the mid-1980s as a Conservative Republican from New York's Westchester County, but creating a Greater Albania was his agenda as a map on his website shows (http://www.aacl.com/). His Political Action Committee (PAC) activities are easy to follow from 1988 on. What makes the PAC and individual contributions to campaigns more interesting is the demonstrated connection between the Kosovo Heroin Mafia, its "pizza connection" distribution ("inherited" from the Gambino crime family) and money-laundering networks, and the number of pizzeria owner-contributors listed in DioGuardi's filings.

The Croats and Albanians came up with big pots of laundered money, then spread it around selectively, with American politicians helping to persuade other members in Congress. I have indications of a political alliance between DioGuardi and Bob Dole going as far back as the early 1970s, but have not yet got all the evidence in hand. What I do have is sufficient to reach tentative conclusions about how foreign policy, in a democracy, can be "bought" --that is precisely what happened in the case of the Kosovo Air War. In early 1987, kicking off his 1988 bid to wrest the GOP nomination from then-vice president George Bush, Dole received $1.2 million from Albanian American supporters in New York City, while DioGuardi received $50,000 at the same dinner. I expect the funding trail goes back further, at least to Dole's 1976 campaign. It certainly continued from 1987 through to the present.

As the collapse of Yugoslavia loomed, the Croatian and Albanian lobbies continued their campaign: Defense & Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy, Mar 31, 1993 issue, reported as much as $50 million was larded around Capitol Hill in a two-year period which saw the defeat of George Bush and led to Bob Dole's control of the Republican party: The United States Congress, still reeling from a series of financial scandals involving representatives and senators, is now bracing for a new problem: the massive financial "contributions" which have been made to election funds of politicians by Croatian sources over the past two to three years. One Congressional investigator told Defense & Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy that the donations and expenditures on Washington lobbying by the Croatians over the past two years "could well exceed $50-million." Much of this came directly from Croatian lobbyists, and some from Croatian American businessmen. "Many of the campaign contributions have been recorded legally," the investigator said, "but many are questionable. But what is more important is that there has been a pervasive attempt to push the United States along a line defined by foreign powers-Croatia and Germany-and it has not been subtle.

Elected officials are being told to either support the Croatian line or face either a removal of funding or are told that funding will be given to their opponents. Or they are literally bribed into supporting the Croatian line. This was going on long before Croatia even made its open bid for recognition as an independent state."

Now, as to individual contributions, there are campaign contribution limits on individuals, then there are Political Action Committees (PACs), "Soft Money" contributed to the parties and fed back to candidates, and there is the time-honored custom of passing bundles of hundred dollar bills in brown paper bags to favored candidates. Federal Election Commission (FEC) records are on-line http://www.tray.com/fecinfo/ and I have been able retrieve records for Joseph DioGuardi's PACs going back to the 1988 election cycle, and have also tested Bob Dole's 1996 Campaign and Liddy Dole's Campaign-2000. It is all there in the lists of candidates and contributors. In particular, most of the Congressmen speaking loudest against Serbia and Serbs are those receiving money from DioGuardi's PAC. Some have simply been beguiled, others may be more disingenuous. Recipients come from both sides of the aisle but are mostly members of the House or Senate foreign relations committees: Joseph Lieberman and Jesse Helms, Benjamin Gilman and Tom Lantos. These records do not reveal monster sums of money, but demonstrate the tip of the iceberg, where "soft money," individual declared contributions and bags full of $100 bills also find their way to select candidates . It is clear that Bob Dole and Joe DioGuardi, in league with Croat and Bosnian fascist emigrees, worked very effectively to set up US foreign policy to dismantle Yugoslavia and ruin the Serb people. They have succeeded admirably because they were organized and persistent, while their opponents were disorganized and, ultimately, outnumbered by the overwhelming flood of media propaganda. Now, the US taxpayer is on the hook for Billions of Dollars, while our service personnel will be tied down for years in Bosnia and Kosovo, again attempting the kind of nation building that failed so spectacularly in Somalia and Haiti. For those wishing to inspect the details of these fundraising, I have loaded the summary lists compiled thus far at my website along with a companion reading file on the KLA and Heroin:http://www.siri-us.com/backgrounders/Archives_Kosovo/AlbanianAmericanPac - 1980-98.html and http://www.siri-us.com/backgrounders/Archives_Kosovo/KLA-Drugs.html

© 1999 by Benjamin C. Works --SIRIUS Readers may re-post this material, including copyright "for fair use only." Contact benworks@aol.com for other permissions.


Here are just some of them:

Albanian American PAC

PAC Contributions to Federal Candidates, 1997-1998*

To Democrats: $12,600( 25%)To Republicans: $29,500( 59%)Total: $50,100

INDUSTRY: HUMAN RIGHTS; MINORITY/ETHNIC GROUPS

FEC NAME: ALBANIAN AMERICAN PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE (ELMSFORD, NY 10523)

FEC COMMITTEE ID NUMBER: C00278689

(LOOK UP ACTUAL DOCUMENTS FILED WITH THE FEC)

House Candidate Total Contribs

Dioguardi, Joseph J (3-NY) $8,000

Dornan, Robert K (R-CA) $500

Gilman, Benjamin A (R-NY) $10,000

King, Peter T (R-NY) $3,000

Lantos, Tom (D-CA) $10,000

Rohrabacher, Dana (R-CA) $5,000

Smith, Christopher H (R-NJ) $10,000

Traficant, James A Jr (D-OH) $2,600

Total to House Democrats:$12,600

Total to House Republicans:$28,500

Senate CandidateTotal Contribs D'Amato, Alfonse M (R-NY) $1,000

Total to Senate Democrats:$0 Total to Senate Republicans:$1,000

*Based on data released electronically by the FEC on March 1, 1999

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McCain you should be ashamed of yourself. Giving a pep rally and hugging the likes of Joe Dioguardi.

PS: can someone be kind and tell me how to place a link using HTML? thanks

1 Posted on 02/18/2000 09:26:16 PST by Habeas corpussel
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To: Habeas corpussel; Joe Montana

HC, Let's see if Joe Montana or some other HTML adept can post the pic of McCain and DioGuardi and accompanying caption on FR. I posted the link (not as a hot link) to that story a couple of days ago, and post it again below.

Joe Montana, work your magic!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/p/ap/20000211/us/mccain_2000_alf_bdg.html

2 Posted on 02/18/2000 09:34:48 PST by Gael
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To: Gael

Thank You!Thank You! Your Drug Money Is Greatly Appreciated!

3 Posted on 02/18/2000 09:48:09 PST by Habeas corpussel
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To: Habeas corpussel

I would also like to mention the rumour (no facts, just educated guess) that the Chappauqa House for the Clintons was arranged (if not bought) by the KLA

During the entire house hunting tour of Westchester, KLA supporters kep on cropping up in the strangest places. The seller of the first house Hillary looked at in New Rochelle were a older Albanian couple well known in NYC as fierce KLA backers. One of the real estate agents helping the Clintons was also a Albanian KLA supporters. And finally one of the Clinton's neighbors on Old House Lane (either next door or just in the cul-de-sac) is another Albanain backer of the KLA

Now all of this may be just conincidence and I am not suggesting that these KLA supporters gained their wealth through the KLA Heroin smuggling in the Bronx.....but it all just appears like a KLA payoff for Billary's wag-the-dog-war

4 Posted on 02/18/2000 10:16:29 PST by vooch
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To: Habeas corpussel

Thanks for the photo. I see a former US Congressman with an Albanian "flag" draped around his neck. The same flag that the Albanian SS divisions carried in the 40s.

Most interesting.

5 Posted on 02/18/2000 10:28:51 PST by Ditto
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To: Habeas corpussel

"It is clear that Bob Dole and Joe DioGuardi, in league with Croat and Bosnian fascist emigrees,
worked very effectively to set up US foreign policy to dismantle Yugoslavia and ruin the Serb people.

"They have succeeded admirably because they were organized and persistent, while their opponents were disorganized and, ultimately, outnumbered by the overwhelming flood of media propaganda. "

6 Posted on 02/18/2000 14:10:10 PST by Joe Montana
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To: Habeas corpussel

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to a pro Kosovo, pro McCain, rally
across the street from his New York City hotel Friday morning, Feb. 11, 2000.
McCain is in New York for the day to attend fundraisers and to talk to the press before returning to South Carolina Friday night.
(AP Photo/Stephan Savoia)

7 Posted on 02/18/2000 14:12:41 PST by Joe Montana
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To: Ditto

Is that Joseph DioGuardi with the Albanian flag around his neck?

8 Posted on 02/18/2000 14:13:36 PST by Joe Montana
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To: prometheus,Kate22,leonora,nikolatesla,mountaineer,Sal,sjy,F-117A,Balto Boy,D Rider,

bmp

9 Posted on 02/18/2000 14:14:36 PST by Joe Montana
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To: Joe Montana

Yep. I saw the guy on TV a few times.... he looks like Count Dracula on a bad hair day.

10 Posted on 02/18/2000 14:34:45 PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

he looks like Count Dracula on a bad hair day.

Dracula was Romanian, and slaughtered the invading Turkish forces that were filled with Albanian troops. Considering what the Albanians did then and are doing now, Serbia sure could use a guy like Vlad right now.

("Vlad the impaler" single handedly stopped the Ottoman Turk invasion of Europe proper.)

11 Posted on 02/18/2000 15:07:03 PST by D Rider
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To: Joe Montana

I posted well over a year ago that I had heard Dole was of Albanian descent, explaining his bizarre support for these criminals. It's incredible and very disheartening for a WWII veteran like Dole to have turned on the people who saved so many US lives in that war and fought the Nazis so valiantly - the Serbs.

12 Posted on 02/18/2000 16:27:26 PST by mountaineer
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To: D Rider

I thought it was Prinz Eugen.......

13 Posted on 02/18/2000 16:30:29 PST by vooch
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To: mountaineer

I posted well over a year ago that I had heard Dole was of Albanian descent...

Dole was reported to to have a key office staff member that is a descendant of a Croatian Ustashi official or officer.

14 Posted on 02/18/2000 17:32:56 PST by F-117A (Mister ED is a limp War Criminal)
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To: Habeas corpussel

BUMP to the top! McCain looks like he lost a load in his pants. His wife probably sent him to cop a few free quaaludes.

15 Posted on 02/18/2000 17:42:05 PST by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Habeas corpussel

Survivors of the Croat Ustashe movement in southern Germany began their work in the 1960s, but Joseph DioGuardi must be given credit for a sustained campaign to influence Congress beginning in the mid-1970s.

Recently picked up the highly regarded book, Unholy Trinity, that exposes the pipeline that helped thousands of NAZI and Ustahsi to escape after WWII along with looted treasures. Anyone read this book?

16 Posted on 02/18/2000 17:45:48 PST by F-117A (Mister ED is a limp War Criminal)
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To: F-117A; mountaineer

Info on Dole's Croatian connection is found at www.siri-us.com, in the archives section. There's lots of good stuff in there. Let me know if you can't find the Dole piece, and I'll track it down. Mountaineer, you're right about the blood money.

17 Posted on 02/18/2000 17:52:39 PST by Gael
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To: F-117A

Your Right about Jo-Jo. He did a hell of a job on the Hill. No I have not read the book, but I have heard good reviews on it.

18 Posted on 02/18/2000 19:29:22 PST by Habeas corpussel
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To: MadelineZapeezda

Just a few?

19 Posted on 02/18/2000 19:30:17 PST by Habeas corpussel
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To: Joe Montana

I heard that the men 18 years and older are being rounded up and carted away..is this tue

20 Posted on 02/18/2000 19:47:45 PST by RURIK
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To: Joe Montana

I heard that the men 18 years and older are being rounded up and carted away..is this true?

21 Posted on 02/18/2000 19:48:16 PST by RURIK
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To: Gael

Thanks for the web site - www.siri-us.com.

Did a search on Dole and found interesting info.

Has anyone heard from Mister ED lately!

22 Posted on 02/18/2000 20:11:27 PST by F-117A (Mister ED is a limp War Ctiminal)
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To: novakeo, holytruth, LopuZa, McGavin999, aristeides, politeia

btt! excellent post by habeas corpussel :-)!

23 Posted on 02/19/2000 05:42:45 PST by nikolatesla
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To: D Rider

Considering what the Albanians did then and are doing now, Serbia sure could use a guy like Vlad right now.

The Serbs have a Vlad of their own his full name is Vladimir Putin.

24 Posted on 02/19/2000 08:23:51 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: nikolatesla

Its a good article. This article show that the all other ethnic groups in former Yugoslavia were organizing for a eventual secession from rump Yugoslavia, and Tito's death was D-DAY for the realization of their combined dreams. This article also points out one thing about the Serbs in Serbia and Serbs in Diaspora they were unorganized and never even thought that this would happen, caught of guard. The Serbs won all the wars but they lost the most important war the Public Relations war. While other ethnic groups were spending money on American politicians and hiring the best PR firm's money can buy the Serbs were whistling Dixie. You see no one stop the Serbs for doing the same as other ethnic groups that were part of former Yugoslavia. There are probably more Serbs in the US then any of the other ethnic groups yet they failed to come to the rescue of their homeland. They were to busy infighting about what type of system the new Yugoslavia would become, with most people leaning towards monarchy that would reunite Serbs again. There are so many flaws in the Serbs Diaspora's thinking that they never bother to ask the Serbs leaving in Serbia what type of government they would like. Thus they missed the opportunities to fight back with a PR and campaign, all they had to do is show the true nature of all the ethnic groups involved, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians, they were all associated with nazi's in their past. So the way I see it Serbs have no one to blame but them selves. I hope that clear thing up a bit.

25 Posted on 02/19/2000 08:54:40 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: LopuZa

The Serbs won all the wars but they lost the most important war the Public Relations war.

The Serbs did not win all the wars...In WWII they lost the most important and tragic war of all...they lost to Tito's partisans!

26 Posted on 02/19/2000 09:49:06 PST by novakeo
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To: nikolatesla

Thanks for the flag nikolatesla! Good post...Of all the front leading candidates...McCain fills me with trepidation...God help the Serbs and America if he is elected president!

27 Posted on 02/19/2000 10:08:45 PST by novakeo
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To: novakeo, LopuZa

According to another poster, though not a very reliable or excessively intelligent one, McCain talks to the Statue of Liberty when he needs an opinion. Personally, I don't tend to trust people when their face is younger than their neck.

lets have no infighting here, the enemy are people who give orders to drop bombs on babies and who go to bed with terrorist thugs. People are having a hard time reaching the right conclusions on the present, let's leave past differences behind us and dedicate our efforts to waking those people up. Have a good weekend.

28 Posted on 02/19/2000 12:21:51 PST by nikolatesla
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To: novakeo

No, what you don't understand is that Titos partisans were mostly made up of Serbs since majority of the Croatians were Ustasa's, Woffen SS. The Serbs lost when after the war Tito was eliminating prominent Serbs, and the Serbs should have done the elimination. As soon as the war was won Serbs should have killed Tito and thus guaranty Serbian domination and the existence of a strong Serbia and in turn strong Yugoslavia. Thus none-of this would have happened, but again Serbs have no long term plans for Serbia and the Serbian people. That is the problem not who or what type of system Serbs should adopt, that is easy.

29 Posted on 02/19/2000 13:56:05 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: LopuZa

Titos partisans were mostly made up of Serbs since majority of the Croatians were Ustasa's, Woffen SS.

You have to be joking... maybe its you that does not understand...the majority of Serbs in WWII fought for the Chetniks not Tito's partisans. That is a lie perputrated by the communists after the war. Tito's partisans was made up of Serbs, Croatians, Albanians, Slovenians, even Hungarians. Maybe percentage wise Serbs were in the majority in the partisans...but again, in the war, the majority of the Serb population supported the Chetniks! not the bloody communists!

30 Posted on 02/19/2000 21:05:43 PST by novakeo
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To: LopuZa

So the way I see it Serbs have no one to blame but them selves. I hope that clear thing up a bit.

They are trapped by thier own history and geography. The Serbs are the only group in the Balkans with a multi-ethic heritage. Whether you are talking the Golden Age of Serbia, which was the last time there that there was an extended peace anywhere in the Balkans. Or the last century or so, where Serb controled areas have never been more than 65% Serb. Even Kosovo, the heartland of Serbia, had only a 63% Serb population before WWII. Classic case of nice guys finish last.

31 Posted on 02/19/2000 22:00:44 PST by D Rider
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To: novakeo

Maybe percentage wise Serbs were in the majority in the partisans...but again, in the war, the majority of the Serb population supported the Chetniks! not the bloody communists!

That is not true, the Serbian people supported those groups that did not harm them. And those people know very well which group that was. BTW read your sentence you are contradicting your self.

This is the exact reason that the Serbs can not organize in Serbia and in Diaspora its do to this type of thought (bickering) which is harmful for the overall good of Serbia and the Serbian people. You see it does not matter that there were two political divisions if not more among the Serbs back before and during WWII, Serbs did not, learn anything from that period or periods before that. The reason there were different divisions (political diversity) among Serbs is the outside influence that was able to create disunity among the Serbs. This has been accomplished again today; Serbs need to put aside the differences in order further their struggle for a more united democratic and secure Serbia, without outside influence. The fact that the Chetnicks were all Serbs or that the majority of Partisans were Serbs has no merit in today. That is history that should not be ignored but should be learned from, and not used to create disunity among Serbian people. What I am, trying to say is we that Serbs do not need to repeat the same mistakes over and over again. But we can analyze what could have been done or should have been done by Serbs leaders during and after WWII. That is what my comment was all about, is that Serbs were in control of their destiny regardless of which camp they were in during WWII and after. They simply did not size the opportunity to take advantage of those opportunities as Tito did. Just before the WWII was over the Serb leaders in the Partisans and in the Chetnicks should have made a pact to eliminate Tito and his closest allies who believed that a weak Serbia is good for a strong Yugoslavia, and that is just nonsense. They the Serbs leaders knew that Tito was going to make Serbia weak by partitioning it into smaller chunks so as to make the Serbian nullify majority. I think it is common sense that a strong Serbia is good for a strong Yugoslavia and can't be anything but that. Why the Serb leaders did not organize is beyond my belief and understanding they had plenty of opportunities to accomplish what I suggested above, but chose not to. You see Serbs were majority in the Partisans and in the Chetniks thus from this one would conclude that the Serbs majority would rule new Yugoslavia regardless of who wins. Then again history haunts (Czar Lazar's curse) the Serbs and they missed the opportunity. Here we go again, one more chance to unite all Serbs on this planet and outside force seems to be stronger then the internal forces.

32 Posted on 02/20/2000 13:30:17 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: LopuZa

What's your opinion about the opposition in Serbia? What kind of leadership would they bring? Do they have any kind of support? What about Kostunica -- to me, he seems to be the only opposition leader with integrity. My opinion: Some choice the Serbs have -- Slobo the loser, Vuk the cartoon, and the others kiss the arse of the people who just finished bombing their country.

33 Posted on 02/20/2000 13:43:35 PST by Gael
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To: LopuZa

Maybe percentage wise Serbs were in the majority in the partisans...but again, in the war, the majority of the Serb population supported the Chetniks! not the bloody communists!

That is not true, the Serbian people supported those groups that did not harm them. And those people know very well which group that was. BTW read your sentence you are contradicting your self.

A contradiction can be seen here...by the simple minded ofcourse. You want to get into percentages here? Explain to me what the contradiction is? Your seeing a contradiction can be described as precocious to say the least. Is the perceived contradiction in the statement being "the majority of Partisans may have been Serbs" and "the majority of the Serb population were supporting the Chetniks" Fine, suit yourself, I am not going to engage in this kind of semantics.

The fact that the Chetnicks were all Serbs or that the majority of Partisans were Serbs has no merit in today. That is history that should not be ignored but should be learned from, and not used to create disunity among Serbian people.

I agree with you completely on this!

Just before the WWII was over the Serb leaders in the Partisans and in the Chetnicks should have made a pact to eliminate Tito and his closest allies who believed that a weak Serbia is good for a strong Yugoslavia

I think you know what a civil war is! The Serbs in Tito's Partisans were communists like himself, Why would they want to kill him when they agreed with everything he was doing? How could have the Serbs in the Chetniks and in the Partisans gotten together to kill Tito when their respective vision of the future of the country was so diametrically opposite to each other. The Chetniks and the Partisans were engaged in a civil war and the thought of them getting together to "off" Tito is nothing short of nonsensical.

Why the Serb leaders did not organize is beyond my belief and understanding they had plenty of opportunities to accomplish what I suggested above, but chose not to. You see Serbs were majority in the Partisans and in the Chetniks thus from this one would conclude that the Serbs majority would rule new Yugoslavia regardless of who wins.

The majority of Serbs did unite under the Chetnik banner! They wanted the continuation of the Yugoslavian monarchy which is a Serbian monarchy, in essence, a Yugoslavia ruled by Serbs. They were betrayed by the west which chose to placate Stalin by supporting the partisans. The only way Tito was able to rule Yugoslavia was to put down Serbian nationalism through constant terror. Which he did until he died. The partisans did win, and that fact, did not mean that Serbs would rule, did it!

Here we go again, one more chance to unite all Serbs on this planet and outside force seems to be stronger then the internal forces.

I agree with you here

34 Posted on 02/20/2000 15:40:16 PST by novakeo
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To: novakeo

Is the perceived contradiction in the statement being "the majority of Partisans may have been Serbs" and "the majority of the Serb population were supporting the Chetniks" Fine, suit yourself, I am not going to engage in this kind of semantics.

No, no, out of context there is no contradiction in the above sentence; but if one looks at the whole sentence we have quite a different result, see below. "the majority of Serbs in WWII fought for the Chetniks not Tito's partisans. That is a lie perputrated by the communists after the war. Tito's partisans was made up of Serbs, Croatians, Albanians, Slovenians, even Hungarians. Maybe percentage wise Serbs were in the majority in the partisans."

Re read the above original sentence and tell me what is a contradiction, I think I leave it up to you the reader to interpret that from the above.

If the majority of the population were supporting Chetniks then they would have won, and no outside influence or interference would have changed that. But do to few stupid Chetnick leaders that allowed Serbs to be slaughter by Chetniks (Serbs) they were look upon as killing their own people. This is the reason that the Chetnicks lost the civil war.

I think you know what a civil war is! The Serbs in Tito's Partisans were communists like himself, Why would they want to kill him when they agreed with everything he was doing? How could have the Serbs in the Chetniks and in the Partisans gotten together to kill Tito when their respective vision of the future of the country was so diametrically opposite to each other. The Chetniks and the Partisans were engaged in a civil war and the thought of them getting together to "off" Tito is nothing short of nonsensical.

I think I know much better what a civil war is then you, but that is beside the point. The reason that Chetniks (Serbs) and Partisan (Serbs) would cooperate is that they are both Serbs, regardless of their political orientation. The politics could have been left up to the people but the army could have save a lot of innocent life's and this mess that we are in today. The Serb leaders in the Partisans knew what Tito wanted to do with Serbia and so did Chetniks, thus one would only think that they would have secretly made a pact to free the country of the enemy (Germans & Croatian Ustasas) and then eliminate Tito. After all they all knew he was a Croatian and half Slovenian and they also knew that he fought against the Serbs in the Austrian army in WWI. Now since fact the majority of Partisans was Serb and the majority of Chetnicks were Serbs, what they should have agreed on is the thing that they can all agree on and that is they were both Serbs. The problem was even dough their political goals were totally different they should have set those views aside till Germans and Ustasas were defeated, then deal with political solutions.

The only way Tito was able to rule Yugoslavia was to put down Serbian nationalism through constant terror. Which he did until he died. The partisans did win, and that fact, did not mean that Serbs would rule, did it!

No, no, he used Serb leaders that were willing and ready to kill Serbs for him. That is what I am trying to tell you, is that Tito gave the orders to Serbs and then he would eliminate them. The Serbs allowed him to take total control of politics instead they should have eliminated him and then carried out their own plans for future of a strong Serbia and a strong Yugoslavia. The Serbs that were Partisans should have then absorbed all the Chetniks in their ranks just as Tito did with Ustasas. Notices that Tito did not kill his own kind, rather he forced them to prison and then forced them to serve in the military. Something the Serbs could have learned from, and could have saved many Serbian lives. So at the end Tito used Serbs to terrorize Serbs and thus nullify their majority. Mose Pijade was the man responsible for partitioning of Serbia into 3 pieces, Vojvodina, Kosovo and what was left over of Serbia. Thus he used Serbs other ethnic groups to keep the Serbs disorganized and weak politically. I am positive that some of the people guarding Tito during and after the war were Serbs and Montenegrins, and could have eliminated (betrayed him to the Germans) anytime; but there was no will for helping them selves. That type of thought from a Serb would have been impossible to come up with, we Serbs are to honest with others; but never with each other.

35 Posted on 02/20/2000 20:56:54 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: Gael

I don't think very much of the pro-western Serbian opposition vassals that are repeating, Clinton's and Albright's demands. Since the Serbian people, are victims of both Milosevic and the war criminals Clinton, Albright and NATO leaders, why would the Serbian people allow these same people and few of the opposition leaders to tell them when it is time to change their president. About 2,500 Serb civilians killed by the Clinton, Albright's and NATO bombs. On Dec. 17, 1999, three Serb leaders - Zoran Djindjic, Milo Djukanovic and Vuk Draskovic met in Berlin with an unindicted war criminal, Madeleine Albright, the U.S. Secretary of State (hate).



This photo needs no caption. These were not the only Serb politicians who went to Berlin to meet whit war criminal Albright. Dragoslav Avramovic, Dusan Mihajlovic, Dragoljub Micunovic, Zarko Korac and Nenad Canak, among others, were also on hand when this disgraceful picture was taken. But lucky for them they did not partake in the photo-op with her? So yes Kostunica is the only politician with integrity he was not there and did not take part in the kissing Madeleine Albright (Madlinka Korbels) butt and selling the Serbs and Serbia down the river party. That's what I think.

36 Posted on 02/20/2000 22:58:15 PST by LopuZa (LopuZa@beograd.com)
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To: Habeas corpussel

Well, pieces fit together showing that all along it has been the ethnic nationalist fascist losers of World War II in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo who have been exploiting the political process in Germany and the United States.

Good post, Habeas corpussel! By the way, I'd be very interested in information about what these folks have been doing in German politics. I wonder if any of the mysterious funds in the current scandal came from them.

37 Posted on 02/22/2000 03:23:05 PST by aristeides (demosthenes@olg.com)
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To: aristeides

bmp

38 Posted on 02/23/2000 21:31:26 PST by Joe Montana
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