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The History of NAZI Gun Control or How Democraps Emulate The NAZI's For Domestic Policy

Government Opinion (Published) Keywords: NAZI'S, GUN CONTROL, DEMOCRAPS ARE NAZI'S WITHOUT UNIFORMS!
Source: http://www.nra.org/
Author: Stephen P. Halbrook, PhD., J.D.
Posted on 03/29/2000 06:17:23 PST by Bommer

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 by Stephen P. Halbrook, PhD., J.D.

 

New research on the Nazi confiscation
of registered guns--and execution of
gun owners--provides a poignant lesson
on why Americans have always opposed
the registration of peaceable firearms owners.

President Bill Clinton has come out in favor of the registration of all law-abiding American gun owners. "People ought to have to register guns like they register their cars," he said.1 Already, the Clinton-Gore administration is misusing the national instant check system to retain the identities of firearms purchasers. Government records on gun owners supposedly protect society.

It would be instructive at this time to recall why the American citizenry and Congress have historically opposed the registration of firearms. The reason is plain. Registration makes it easy for a tyrannical government to confiscate firearms and make prey of its subjects. Denying this historical fact is no more justified than denying that the Holocaust occurred or that the Nazis murdered millions of unarmed people.

I am writing a book on Nazi policies and practices that sought to repress civilian gun ownership and eradicate gun owners in Germany and occupied Europe. The following sampling of my findings should give pause to the suggestion that draconian punishment of citizens for keeping firearms is necessarily a social good.

The Night of the Broken Glass (Kristallnacht)--the infamous Nazi rampage against Germany's Jews--took place in November 1938. It was preceded by the confiscation of firearms from the Jewish victims. On Nov. 8, The New York Times reported from Berlin, "Berlin Police Head Announces 'Disarming' of Jews," explaining:


After invading, Nazis used pre-war lists of gun owners to confiscate firearms and many gun owners simply disappeared. Following confiscation, the Nazis were free to wreak their evil on the disarmed populace, such as on these helpless Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto.

"The Berlin Police President, Count Wolf Heinrich von Helldorf, announced that as a result of a police activity in the last few weeks the entire Jewish population of Berlin had been 'disarmed' with the confiscation of 2,569 hand weapons, 1,702 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition. Any Jews still found in possession of weapons without valid licenses are threatened with the severest punishment."2

On the evening of Nov. 9, Adolph Hitler, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels and other Nazi chiefs planned the attack. Orders went out to Nazi security forces: "All Jewish stores are to be destroyed immediately . Jewish synagogues are to be set on fire . The Führer wishes that the police does not intervene. All Jews are to be disarmed. In the event of resistance they are to be shot immediately."3

All hell broke loose on Nov. 10: "Nazis Smash, Loot and Burn Jewish Shops and Temples," a headline read. "One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter."4 Thousands of Jews were taken away.

Searches of Jewish homes were calculated to seize firearms and assets and to arrest adult males. The American Consulate in Stuttgart was flooded with Jews begging for visas: "Men in whose homes old, rusty revolvers had been found during the last few days cried aloud that they did not dare ever again return to their places of residence or business. In fact, it was a mass of seething, panic-stricken humanity."5

Himmler, head of the Nazi terror police, would become an architect of the Holocaust, which consumed 6 million Jews. It was self-evident that the Jews must be disarmed before the extermination could begin.

Finding out which Jews had firearms was not too difficult. The liberal Weimar Republic passed a Firearm Law in 1928 requiring extensive police records on gun owners. Hitler signed a further gun control law in early 1938.

Other European countries also had laws requiring police records to be kept on persons who possessed firearms. When the Nazis took over Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1939, it was a simple matter to identify gun owners. Many of them disappeared in the middle of the night along with political opponents.

 

Invading troops in Holland in 1940 immediately nail up posters annoucing a ban on all firearms.
From Die Deutsche Wochenschau, May 15, 1940.

 


Closeup of the Holland poster banning guns. Citizens had 24 hours to surrender all firearms to the Nazis or face the death penalty. Printed in German on the left and Flemish on the right. For translation, see sidebar. From Die Deutsche Wochenschau, May 15, 1940.

Regulations on Arms Possession
in the Occupied Zone

1. All firearms and ammunition, hand grenades, explosive devices and other war materiel are to be surrendered.

.....The delivery must take place within 24 hours at the nearest German military administrative headquarters or garrison, provided that other special arrangements have not been made. The mayors (heads of the district councils) must accept full responsibility for complete implementation. Commanding officers are authorized to approve exceptions.


Imagine that you are sitting in a movie house in Germany in May 1940. The German Weekly Newsreel comes on to show you the attack on Holland, Belgium and France. The minute Wehrmacht troops and tanks cross the Dutch border, the film shows German soldiers nailing up a poster about 2-ft. by 3-ft. in size. It is entitled "Regulations on Arms Possession in the Occupied Zone" ("Verordnung über Waffenbesitz im besetzen Gebiet").6 The camera scans the top of the double-columned poster, written in German on the left and Flemish on the right, with an eagle and swastika in the middle. It commands that all firearms be surrendered to the German commander within 24 hours. The full text is not in view, but similar posters threatened the death penalty for violation.

The film shows artillery and infantry rolling through the streets as happy citizens wave. It then switches to scenes of onslaughts against Dutch and Belgian soldiers and Hitler's message that this great war would instate the 1000-year Reich. A patriotic song mixed with the images and music of artillery barrages, Luftwaffe bombings and tank assaults compose the grand finale.

France soon fell, and the same posters threatening the death penalty for possession of a firearm went up everywhere. You can see one today in Paris at the Museum of the Order of the Liberation (Musée de l'Ordre de la Libération). A photograph of the poster is reproduced here, including a translation in the sidebar.

There was a fallacy to the threat. No blank existed on the poster to write in the time and date of posting so one would know when the 24-hour "waiting period" began or ended. Perhaps the Nazis would shoot someone who was an hour late. Indeed, gun owners even without guns were dangerous because they knew how to use guns and tended to be resourceful, independent-minded persons. A Swiss manual on armed resistance stated with such experiences in mind:

 


German poster from occupied France imposing the death penalty for not turning in all firearms and radio transmitters within 24 hours. For translation, see the text at upper left. From the Musée de l'Ordre de la Libération, Paris. Photo by Philippe Fraysseix, Paris.

 

Ordinance Concerning the Possession of Arms and Radio Transmitters in the Occupied Territories

1) All firearms and all sorts of munitions, hand grenades, explosives and other war materials must be surrendered immediately.
Delivery must take place within 24 hours to the closest Kommandantur [German commander's office] unless other arrangements have been made. Mayors will be held strictly responsible for the execution of this order. The [German] troop commanders may allow exceptions.
2) Anyone found in possession of firearms, munitions, hand grenades or other war materials will be sentenced to death or forced labor or in lesser cases prison.
3) Anyone in possession of a radio or a radio transmitter must surrender it to the closest German military authority.
4) All those who would disobey this order or would commit any act of violence in the occupied lands against the German army or against any of its troops will be condemned to death.

The Commander in Chief
of the Army

 

"Should you be so trusting and turn over your weapons you will be put on a 'black list' in spite of everything. The enemy will always need hostages or forced laborers later on (read: 'work slaves') and will gladly make use of the 'black lists.' You see once again that you cannot escape his net and had better die fighting. After the deadline, raids coupled with house searches and street checks will be conducted."7

Commented The New York Times about the interrelated rights that the Nazis destroyed wherever they went:

"Military orders now forbid the French to do things which the German people have not been allowed to do since Hitler came to power. To own radio senders or to listen to foreign broadcasts, to organize public meetings and distribute pamphlets, to disseminate anti-German news in any form,

to retain possession of firearms?all these things are prohibited for the subjugated people of France ."8

While the Nazis made good on the threat to execute persons in possession of firearms, the gun control decree was not entirely successful. Partisans launched armed attacks. But resistance was hampered by the lack of civilian arms possession.

In 1941, U.S. Attorney General Robert Jackson called on Congress to enact national registration of all firearms.9 Given events in Europe, Congress recoiled, and legislation was introduced to protect the Second Amendment. Rep. Edwin Arthur Hall explained: "Before the advent of Hitler or Stalin, who took power from the German and Russian people, measures were thrust upon the free legislatures of those countries to deprive the people of the possession and use of firearms, so that they could not resist the encroachments of such diabolical and vitriolic state police organizations as the Gestapo, the OGPU, and the Cheka."10

Rep. John W. Patman added: "The people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves ."11

Only two months before the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, Congress enacted legislation to authorize the President to requisition broad categories of property with military uses from the private sector on payment of fair compensation, but also provided:

"Nothing contained in this Act shall be construed?

"(1) to authorize the requisitioning or require the registration of any firearms possessed by any individual for his personal protection or sport (and the possession of which is not prohibited or the registration of which is not required by existing law), [or]

"(2) to impair or infringe in any manner the right of any individual to keep and bear arms ."12

At the time of the Nazi attack on Jews known as Night of the Broken Glass, Heinrich Himmler, head of the Nazi SS and Police, ordered Jews disarmed. People's Observer (Völkische Beobachter), November 10, 1938.

Jews Forbidden to Possess Weapons
By Order of SS Reichsfuhrer Himmler

Munich, November 19 [1938]

The SS Reichsfuhrer and German Police Chief has issued the following Order:
Persons who, according to the Nuremberg law, are regarded as Jews, are forbidden to possess any weapon. Violators will be condemned to a concentration camp and imprisoned for a period of up to 20 years.

 

Meanwhile Hitler unleashed killing squads called the Einsatzgruppen in Eastern Europe and Russia. As Raul Hilberg observes, "The killers were well armed . The victims were unarmed."13 The Einsatzgruppen executed 2 million people between fall 1939 and summer 1942. Their tasks included arrest of the politically unreliable, confiscation of weapons and extermination.14

Typical executions were that of a Jewish woman "for being found without a Jewish badge and for refusing to move into the ghetto" and another woman "for sniping." Persons found in possession of firearms were shot on the spot. Yet reports of sniping and partisan activity increased.15

Armed citizens were hurting the Nazis, who took the sternest measures. The Nazis imposed the death penalty on a Pole or Jew: "If he is in unlawful possession of firearms, or if he has credible information that a Pole or a Jew is in unlawful possession of such objects, and fails to notify the authorities forthwith."16

Given the above facts, it is not difficult to understand why the National Rifle Association opposed gun registration at the time and still does. The American Rifleman for February 1942 reported:

"From Berlin on January 6th the German official radio broadcast?'The German military commander for Belgium and Northern France announced yesterday that the population would be given a last opportunity to surrender firearms without penalty up to January 20th and after that date anyone found in possession of arms would be executed.'

"So the Nazi invaders set a deadline similar to that announced months ago in Czechoslovakia, in Poland, in Norway, in Romania, in Yugoslavia, in Greece.

"How often have we read the familiar dispatches 'Gestapo agents accompanied by Nazi troopers swooped down on shops and homes and confiscated all privately owned firearms!'

"What an aid and comfort to the invaders and to their Fifth Column cohorts have been the convenient registration lists of privately owned firearms?lists readily available for the copying or stealing at the Town Hall in most European cities.

"What a constant worry and danger to the Hun and his Quislings have been the privately owned firearms in the homes of those few citizens who have 'neglected' to register their guns!"17

Resistance to Nazi oppression was hampered by the lack of civilian arms possession. One of the most notable exceptions was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943, which began with a few incredibly brave Jews armed with handguns. They were able to temporarily stop deportations of Jews to Nazi extermination camps.

 

During the war years the Rifleman regularly included pleas for American sportsmen to "Send a gun to defend a British home. British civilians, faced with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes."18 Indeed, The New York Times carried the same solicitations. After two decades of gun control, British citizens now desperately needed rifles and pistols in their homes, and they received the gifts with great appreciation. Organized into the Home Guard, armed citizens were now ready to resist the expected Nazi onslaught.

With so many men and guns sent abroad to fight the war, America still needed defending from expected invasions on the East and West coasts, domestic sabotage, and Fifth Column activity. Sportsmen and gun clubs responded by bringing their private arms and volunteering for the state protective forces.19

Switzerland was the only country in Europe, indeed in the world, where every man had a military rifle in his home. Nazi invasion plans acknowledged the dissuasive nature of this armed populace, as I have detailed in my book Target Switzerland: Swiss Armed Neutrality in World War II (Rockville Center, New York: Sarpedon Publishers, 1998).

Out of all the acts of armed citizen resisters in the war, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943 is difficult to surpass in its heroism. Beginning with just a few handguns, armed Jews put a temporary stop to the deportations to extermination camps, frightened the Nazis out of the ghetto, stood off assaults for days on end, and escaped to the forests to continue the struggle. What if there had been two, three, many Warsaw Ghetto Uprisings?20

The NRA trained hundreds of thousands of Americans in rifle marksmanship during World War II. President Harry Truman wrote that NRA's firearms training programs "materially aided our war effort" and that he hoped "the splendid program which the National Rifle Association has followed during the past three-quarters of a century will be continued."21 By helping defeat the Nazi and Fascist terror regimes, the NRA helped end the Holocaust, slave labor and the severest oppression.

Those tiny pacifist organizations of the era that called for gun registration and confiscation contributed nothing to winning the war or to stopping the genocide. Their counterparts today have nothing to offer that would enable citizens to resist genocide.

Individual criminals wreak their carnage on individuals or small numbers of people. As this century has shown, terrorist governments have the capacity to commit genocide against millions of people, provided that the people are unarmed. Schemes to confiscate firearms kept by peaceable citizens have historically been associated with some of the world's most insidious tyrannies. Given this reality, it is not surprising that law-abiding gun owners oppose being objects of registration.


Notes:

1. Interview with Bill Clinton, "Good Morning America," June 4, 1999
2. The New York Times, Nov. 9, 1938, 24.
3. Gerald Schawb, The Day the Holocaust Began (New York: Praeger, 1990), 22.
4. The New York Times, Nov. 11, 1938, 1, 4.
5. The Holocaust, Vol. 3, The Crystal Night Pogrom, John Mendelsohn, ed. (New York: Garland, 1982), 183-84.
6. Die Deutsche Wochenschau, No. 506, 15 May 1940, UfA, Ton-Woche.
7. Major H. Von Dach, Total Resistance (Boulder: Paladin Press, 1965), 169. Earlier published as Dach, Der Totale Widerstand (Biel: SUOV, 2nd ed., 1958).
8. The New York Times, July 2, 1940, 20.
9. The New York Times, Jan. 4, 1941, 7.
10. 87 Congressional Record, 77th Cong., 1st Sess., 6778 (Aug. 5, 1941).
11. Id. At 7102 (Aug. 13, 1941).
12. Property Requisition Act, P.L. 274, 77th Cong., 1st Sess., Ch. 445, 55 Stat., pt. 1, 742 (oct. 16, 1941). See. Halbrook, "Congress Interprets the Second Amendment," 62 Tennessee Law Review 597, 618-31 (Spring 1995).
13. Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (New York: Homes and Meir, 1985), 341, 318, 297.
14. Yitzhak Arad et al. eds., The Einsatzgruppen Reports (New York: Holocaust Library, 1989), ii.
15. Id. At 233, 306, 257-58, 352-53, 368.
16. Reichsgesetzblatt, I, 759 (4 Dec. 1941).
17. The Nazi Deadline, The American Rifleman, February1942, at 7.
18. The American Rifleman, Nov. 1940.
19. E.g., Report of the Adjutant General for 1945, at 23-24 (Richmond, Va., 1946); U.S. Home Defense Forces Study 58-59 (Office of Ass't. Sec. Of Defense 1981).
20. See Rotem (Kazik), Simha, Memoirs of a Warsaw Ghetto Fighter (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1994), 118-119; David I. Caplan, "Weapons Control Laws: Gateways to Victim Oppression and Genocide," in To Be a Victim: Encounters with Crime and Injustice, eds. Diane Sank and David I. Caplan (New York: Plenum Press, 1991), 310.
21. Letter of Pres. Truman to C.B. Lister, NRA Sec.-Treas.,
Nov. 14, 1945.

 


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Gun registration. Taken from the NAZI handbook. Proof that the only difference between the NAZI's and the Democraps is a uniform!

1 Posted on 03/29/2000 06:17:23 PST by Bommer
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To: Bommer

Watch this. The pro-Hitler crowd will be showing up shortly to "set the record straight" about the innocence of Hitler.

2 Posted on 03/29/2000 06:21:41 PST by go star go
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To: Bommer

Rep. John W. Patman added: "The people have a right to keep arms; therefore, if we should have some Executive who attempted to set himself up as dictator or king, the people can organize themselves together and, with the arms and ammunition they have, they can properly protect themselves."
Wow! Can this describe the present Executive to a tee? This latest attack on guns and gun ownership is just another sign that the theory of a Clinton takeover, with the help of some major (man-made) disaster, such as a Chinese military strike, is ever more likely. Please pass it on.

3 Posted on 03/29/2000 06:28:29 PST by Skeptical constituent
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To: Bommer

bump...thank you.

4 Posted on 03/29/2000 06:30:58 PST by Crowned One
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To: Skeptical constituent

THIS is, perhaps, the BEST Post I have ever seen on FR.

Thank-you Soooo Much !

It is printed and placed at the front of my 2nd Amendment research file.

Russ

5 Posted on 03/29/2000 06:46:25 PST by kinsman redeemer
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To: Bommer

Gun registration. Taken from the NAZI handbook. Proof that the only difference between the NAZI's and the Democraps is a uniform!

Not all Nazis wore uniforms. I think the big difference is the armband.

Stay well

6 Posted on 03/29/2000 07:11:10 PST by harpseal
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To: Bommer

Do you have no words of condemnation for republicans?

Don't they have a majority in both houses of congress?

Isn't this crap continuing to pass with republican votes?

The democrats openly embrace this policy, and the republicans go along to get along. I don't know which I despise more.

7 Posted on 03/29/2000 07:17:44 PST by OWK
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To: Bommer

The JPFO and Gun Owners of America have been telling people about this for years! I am glad to see the NRA has finally decided to join US.

I was sad to hear Limbaugh a couple months ago poo pooing this.....

8 Posted on 03/29/2000 07:26:53 PST by AAPATRIOT
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To: kinsman redeemer

Bump
Bookmark
Reference

9 Posted on 03/29/2000 07:30:43 PST by Maelstrom
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To: OWK

I have no sympathy for the Republicrats in Congress who consistently adopt an I can take away as many liberties as you can but I can do it cheaper. attitude but at the moment the Democrat Party is the greater threat in many ways.

If I can have Republican Party allies who will help stop the explosion from happening I welcome it. If it happens anyway, which it most likely will happen, then it has hurt nothing to try this approach.

Only MHO.

Stay well

10 Posted on 03/29/2000 07:43:04 PST by harpseal
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To: OWK

The republ-I Can'ts aren't the ones introducing the bills and have more times then not helped kill more sweeping Democrap legislation on gun control. Its the moderates side of the party that is destroying us. Focus on getting them thrown out!

11 Posted on 03/29/2000 08:44:40 PST by Bommer
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To: Bommer

The republ-I Can'ts aren't the ones introducing the bills and have more times then not helped kill more sweeping Democrap legislation on gun control.

Uh... can you say Denny Hastert?

12 Posted on 03/29/2000 08:48:06 PST by OWK
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To: AAPATRIOT

RE: Limbaugh

I think he's getting on board. Did anyone hear him last week?

13 Posted on 03/29/2000 09:03:14 PST by Gig
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To: OWK

On trigger locks? Hell the NRA supports it.

14 Posted on 03/29/2000 11:26:25 PST by Bommer
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To: Bommer

On trigger locks? Hell the NRA supports it.

So?

15 Posted on 03/29/2000 11:29:28 PST by OWK
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To: Bommer

Bump

16 Posted on 03/29/2000 11:37:22 PST by Species8472
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To: OWK

It is tuff for the Republicans not to be Cowards those days. We have a great dinner for the House Managers and all as I have seen since then is a House Managers PAC and request for money.

17 Posted on 03/29/2000 11:39:58 PST by bmwcyle
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To: bmwcyle

PSYCHOTROPIC DRUGS + EVIL PYSCHIATRISTS=MASS SHOOTINGS

MASS SHOOTINGS + MEDIA ANTI-GUN HYPE=GUN CONTROL

GUN CONTROL = GUN CONFISCATION.....step by step

GUN CONFISCATION = TOTAL TYRANNY

TOTAL TYRANNY = NO RIGHTS & MASS MURDER by the GOVERNMENT!

18 Posted on 03/29/2000 11:54:04 PST by AAPATRIOT
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To: Bommer

Nice post :)

19 Posted on 03/29/2000 12:13:29 PST by Lady GOP
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To: Lady GOP

Bump for the Marxist Moms and their fuehrer, Rosie O'Donnell

20 Posted on 05/16/2000 09:27:22 PDT by who knows what evil?
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To: Bommer

BookMarking! Bump

21 Posted on 05/16/2000 10:02:06 PDT by RedWing9
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To: Bommer, t-shirt, Travis McGee, nunya bidness, W., conor1

Possession of Arms and Radio Transmitters in the Occupied Territories

1) All firearms and all sorts of munitions, hand grenades, explosives and other war materials must be surrendered immediately. Delivery must take place within 24 hours to the closest Kommandantur [German commander's office] unless other arrangements have been made. Mayors will be held strictly responsible for the execution of this order. The [German] troop commanders may allow exceptions.

2) Anyone found in possession of firearms, munitions, hand grenades or other war materials will be sentenced to death or forced labor or in lesser cases prison.

3) Anyone in possession of a radio or a radio transmitter must surrender it to the closest German military authority.

4) All those who would disobey this order or would commit any act of violence in the occupied lands against the German army or against any of its troops will be condemned to death.

The Commander in Chief of the Army

William Jefferson Hitler

ENDORSED BY:
Million Mom March
Billion Mom March
Rosie Od'onnel
Sarah Brady
Charles Schumer
Ted "Breast stroke" Kennedy
Tom "Mauser"
Bono of U2 (Commie rock singer)

22 Posted on 05/16/2001 12:31:03 PDT by KO5A (These laws were "reasonable" right conor1?)
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To: KO5A

And yet Americans own over two hundred million guns after eight years of Clinton-Gore...

23 Posted on 05/16/2001 12:48:08 PDT by Conor1
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To: Conor1

Now you are starting to get it.

BTW Clintler hisself wasn't the entire problem. There is a socialist anti-freedom/anti-gun movement afoot in this once free country, backed by proponents of big government in government, the media, Hollywood, Education (NEA- very commie).

Even George W. Bush, whom the NRA got into office, appears to be about to join the gun-banners and betray us.
Either way, we are keeping the "200 mil" guns.

24 Posted on 05/16/2001 13:29:58 PDT by KO5A
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To: KO5A Bommer

bump

25 Posted on 05/16/2001 17:25:59 PDT by t-shirt
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To: KO5A

Thanks. Brings to mind an old quote that tells why the marxists want our guns:
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."
--Admiral Yamamoto, 1941

26 Posted on 05/17/2001 02:47:07 PDT by W.
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To: t-shirt, W., Conor1

How can we condemn Hitler for these actions?
His gun buy-back program was intended to "get dangerous guns off the street," and where they belong- in the hands of qualified law-enforcement personnel.

27 Posted on 05/17/2001 05:38:21 PDT by KO5A
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To: Conor1

Tell me Conor1, do you support the right of the people to keep and bear arms?

28 Posted on 05/18/2001 00:10:05 PDT by KO5A
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Tell me Conor1, do you support the right of the people to keep and bear arms?

Of course. Like many of our rights, I do not believe that the right to bear arms is absolute. In other words, I do believe that certain weapons, such as a M-50 or M-204, belong only in the hands of the military.

29 Posted on 05/18/2001 12:28:52 PDT by Conor1
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To: Conor1

I totally disagree with your comments.

This is the result of the Nazi Gun control. I pray that it won't be the result of the attempts at gun control in US.

30 Posted on 05/18/2001 12:42:17 PDT by rollin
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To: rollin

So you think the average citizen should have access to any weapon, including a M-60 and M-204 grenade launcher. I am guessing that you are not a cop.

31 Posted on 05/18/2001 13:24:44 PDT by Conor1
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"So you think the average citizen should have access to any weapon, including a M-60 and M-204 grenade launcher. "

Why not ?

32 Posted on 05/18/2001 13:53:42 PDT by gatex
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To: Conor1

"I am guessing that you are not a cop."

Are you a cop ?

33 Posted on 05/18/2001 13:55:24 PDT by gatex
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To: gatex

A civilian does not have a legitimate need for a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun.

34 Posted on 05/18/2001 14:06:24 PDT by Conor1
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To: Conor1

"A civilian does not have a legitimate need for a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun.

According to the 1939 U.S. Supreme Court decision in U.S. v. Miller, if it "...has some reasonalble relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulted militia,... " or "...is any part of the ordinary miltary equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense...," then a civilian has a legitimate need.

35 Posted on 05/18/2001 14:17:23 PDT by gatex
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To: gatex

In your own words, why would a civilian need a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun?

36 Posted on 05/18/2001 14:36:54 PDT by Conor1
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To: Conor1

Is "need" your standard for the exercise of all rights? A properly trained firearm user shouldn't "need" more than three rounds, right? No private citizen "needs" a car that can exceed 70 miles per hour. No one "needs" to see movies or read books. We don't "need" Free Republic, so I guess it's not covered under the 1st Amendment. All we "need" is air, water, and food.

If you read the post, the Supreme Court thinks we "need" military weapons to satisfy the 2nd Amendment. Go argue what we "need" with them.

< /rant >

37 Posted on 05/18/2001 14:45:17 PDT by m1911
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To: Conor1

"In your own words, why would a civilian need a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun?"

By implication from your question, why would a citizen need 5 rifles, 5 handguns, and 2 shotguns.

In your own words, define "need."

38 Posted on 05/18/2001 15:40:04 PDT by gatex
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To: Bommer

BTTT

39 Posted on 05/18/2001 15:51:07 PDT by meadsjn
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To: Conor1, Sarah Brady, Rosie O'Donnel, Hitlery, Charles Schumer

"In your own words, why would a civilian need a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun?"

In your own words, why would you ask such a stupid question?

You are telling us about caviar and filet mignon, when they are about to deny us our meager gruel.

A.- You are a transparent liberal troll.
B.- If you insist that you are not, please tell me why you think it's important for a free citizenry to keep and bear arms.

40 Posted on 05/18/2001 17:00:50 PDT by KO5A
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To: Bommer

Bookmarked and printed. Thank you much for posting. A must read for my children. (Member NRA--life--since '76).

41 Posted on 05/18/2001 17:13:51 PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Conor1

"...why would a civilian need a grenade launcher or fully automatic machine gun?"

In fact, these items are quite legal to own in most states. As long as the Class-3 weapons and Destructive Devices are transferred properly and the associated federal taxes paid (and all of the red tape neatly processed), a civilian can own such devices. Why? Usually just because they WANT one.

Legally owned machineguns are the least likely firearms to be used in criminal acts. Since the National Firearms Act was passed in the 1930s, I believe *one* such weapon was used in a crime. The people who would choose to spend such large sums of money and submit to extensive background checks are not exactly likely criminals, so what problem could you possibly have with ownership of those weapons?

Personally, I like the things because they so annoy the liberals.

42 Posted on 05/18/2001 17:38:24 PDT by Cloud William
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To: Conor1

Contraire . . . I have spent a considerable part of my life in and around law enforcement and its various aspects.

The problem is and always will be whether citizens as defined by our constitution can be trusted.

The current LEO community think not . . . I disagree. But so did the founding fathers of this once great republic.

And if the Redcoats had been successful in getting the guns at Lexington a long time ago, this country might never have existed except as a British colony.

43 Posted on 05/18/2001 17:54:39 PDT by rollin
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To: Crowned One

BTT

44 Posted on 05/18/2001 18:32:50 PDT by sport
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To: Conor1

A.- You are a transparent liberal troll.

B.- If you insist that you are not, please tell me why you think it's important for a free citizenry to keep and bear arms?

45 Posted on 05/19/2001 09:40:02 PDT by KO5A
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To: Bommer

Bump for a great bibliography. I love a well-soucred article.

47 Posted on 05/19/2001 09:56:43 PDT by Teacher317
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To: KO5A

Speaking of NAZI gun control:

' Project Exile's premise was simple: Make gun crimes a federal offense and punish criminals with swift prosecutions and stiff sentences. "To us," says Managing Assistant U.S. Attorney James Comey, "gun possession itself is a crime of violence."'

48 Posted on 05/21/2001 17:11:43 PDT by KO5A
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