Waco was a game of "chicken" that the Davidians lost. It started because of overzealous law enforcement. Its 'motives' changed as it evolved. And in the end people died do to: SNAFU, Bloody hands, and the "this is not an attack" attack was simply a means to provide cover for a mass murder committed by our government. After all- we saw the flashes. They have LIED to us. They have good reason to, they are guilty of unspeakable evil. ….I don't really think an explaination to Waco needs to go beyond the vanity, power, and ruthlessness that is inherent to a large souless bureaucracy. To me, that explains 90% of it.

"……They had shot his weapons. They know he was a gun dealer with a large inventory/arsenal. I believe the BATF felt that they had to bring in the cavalry (literally and figuratively). They needed a bigger stick i.e. two large trailer loads of storm troopers trained in CQB. This obviously was staged for PR purposes or it would have been done in the middle of the night with flash bang grenades to achieve maximum surprise. The wanted high quality video.

Real simple theory - probably close to the standard explanation. Waco was initially about:

(1)A belief within the ATF that guns are bad and that the people need to be saved from the great evil of guns. Evidence: Just an opinion. This came shortly after Ruby Risdge and just has the smell of the True Believer.

(2) The needs of the Jack Booted Thugs, aka the ATF, for a publicity stunt to secure additional funding for the agency. Evidence why the combat camera man footage??? this wasn't an episode of Cops!!! Anyone who has not experienced it first hand would be amazed by the amount of energy and taxpayer dollars expended every year by agencies trying to justify their existence.

(3) Being a less than professional organization, a ridiculous tactical plan for the attack was drawn up. Evidence: What were those morons doing on the roof? Attacking in a cattle trailer at the end of a long drive??? Storming the Mount Carmel church in the first place given that the supposed target, David Koresh, went jogging mosts days???

(4) The FBI and maybe the Army got into a siege mode and decided that they would demonstrate to the ATF how real Government Agencies inflicted their will. Evidence: Just an opinion.

(5)The deadly end was a combination of a little gun fire maybe incoming and outgoing; a few suicidal types among the Branch Davidians pouring gas here and there inside; a bunch of macho (FBI) morons equiped with tanks; Janet Reno's legendary stupidity in giving the go ahead to a plan developed by morons. Evidence: All of the above is factual except for the possibility of incoming fire and my opinion that Reno is an idiot.

(6) Aftermath - multiple clumsy attempts to conceal the crimal negligence (maybe voluntary manslaughter) / at least gross stupidity involved. Evidence: The slow drip drip drip of disclosures. If the FLIR evidence shows what some have claimed, this goes from criminal negligence to murder.

(7) The worst perfomance by the press in recent memory (the multi year silence of the press.) Probable causes: Crime scene located to far from either coast; no benefit for the liberal press in embrassing a dem administration or creating sympathies for a fringe religious group. No pressure from the Congress. No pressure from the polls. Most importantly embarassment at poor intial reporting as the evidence dribbled out. Evidence: Surfaced almost exclusively as a result of a single free lancer. I know this story never stopped being discussed here, but without Waco: Rules of Engagement this case would probably have stayed dead.

"……Why Waco? Why did Bill Clinton want this debacle to go down exactly as it did? What could he possibly hope to gain? …… The answers are very simple. It was all about having a hold over Ms. Janet Reno. …….As a newly elected Pres, Clinton knew that all hell would eventually break loose in the form of scandal after scandal. It was essential that he had something with which to blackmail the new incoming AG. He already had positioned Webb Hubbell directly under Reno and we all know that he had plenty to hold over Webb. But he needed to be sure that he could break the new AG whenever he wanted to. .........Waco was not a fiasco but instead a perfectly planned event. Janet Reno had no control over the events and yet she was the person responsible. PERFECT!! Clinton could turn this on her whenever he would need to in the future. And of course, it would make no sense to dismiss her, as that would defeat the entire purpose. Rather, it was the plan all along to keep her in her position, knowing that she would now fall in line no matter what. After all, she was now responsible for murdering over 80 people. ……"

"…..I firmly believe that Clinton wanted a big excuse to enact legislation (terror or otherwise) to gain tighter control over the people and to use as a reason to confiscate guns. Guns in the hands of the oppressed doesn't set well with a dictator. ……"

"…..The government attacked first with helicopters. They fired those guns down from the helicopters and into the civilians with absolutely no warning and no justification. After this attack the BD's had time to get their guns out and prepare for war as the main force of government soldiers didn't arrive at the compound until about 15 minutes after the initial helicopter attack. I think that whoever masterminded the events of 2/28/93 wanted those BD's to get their machine guns out and go wild at that point….... I take the dark view that there are elements of our government that are not loyal to America...

"…..Waco was a test - can the government get away with violating the Constitution, can the government destroy with overwhelming force a "Christian" cult, can the government go after a group of people the government has determined is dangerous? Well, Waco worked and I believe the government learned quite a few lessons from it - lessons which mainly have to do with propaganda. If the people of our nation ever rise in righteous rebellion against an established tyranny I hope we will be mindful of the role the media played in establishing that tyranny. ……"

There is something I heard on "hate radio" last August (???)--I'm going by none-too-precise memory here--all that new stuff about Waco had come out & there were more revelations about Flight 800 on C-Span. Mike Reagan asked: "Where's the outrage?" and a caller immediatly came on with: "Mike, Waco was about the instilling of fear, so there'd BE no outrage." That sounded so true that I contacted all my "critters" in DC about it--of course, nothing happened! ...

….From what I've read so far, I'm still leaning toward an experiment in martial law as Carol Valentine surmises. The ATF's so-called "investigation" occurred throughout 1992 and culminated with the raid in early 1993. I think the ATF investigation provided the flimsy excuse necessary to execute the planned "excercise"…..

"…..In our discussions about body-laundering, I think it's worthy of mention to consider the possibility that some of the remains attributed to being Davidians could themselves have been, in reality, body-laundry of either JTF-6 or CAG. There were a few of the remains whom were never identified. The exact number and identities of Davidians present on the last day has never been firmly established.

Someone was active the last day, that's for sure. Here's a couple of pics that show two people exiting the burning building:

Also, don't forget that Caddell and the Davidian lawyers only deposed three of the possible five CAG members present. Here's a photo that shows five guys were present on April 19, 1993, not just the three that the feds say were there:

From/For Freeper ken21 on Gordon Kahl (curious similarities:)

Report of THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY on the BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND FIREARMS Investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell also known as David Koresh September 1993 ...... Appendix G .....A BRIEF HISTORY OF FEDERAL FIREARMS ENFORCEMENT

Arkansas Chronicle Online http://www.ar-chronicle.com/FBIFIB.htm Tom Winters and A.J. Hardcastle "......In Smithville, Arkansas, in the early 80's, federal agents set fire to the home of Leonard and Norma Ginter in a effort to flush out murder suspect Gordon Kahl. After initially denying it federal law enforcement agents admitted pouring kerosene down roof vents and lighting it......"

http://www.illusions.com/opf/kahl01.htm Gordon Kahl was killed in a massive assault on Ginter's farmhouse in Lawrence County, Arkansas, on June 4, 1983. The events described below are from a typed statement by Kahl, probably written on the day of the described events, February 14, 1983.

http://livoice.com/columns/9933/ridgeway.shtml MONDO WASHINGTON JAMES RIDGEWAY "...... The machine-gun attack on the Jewish community center in Southern California by Buford Furrow of the Idaho-based Aryan Nations, which took place in the original homeland of the far right's Christian Identity movement, had all the earmarks of a well-planned assault by the racist right against the "Jewish elite." ....... Although Furrow apparently acted alone, he is no racist loner. He was an Aryan Nations security guard and was married- in a ceremony presided over by the group's founder and leader, Richard Butler- to Debra Mathews, widow of Bob Mathews, head of the revered terror gang of the early '80s, The Order. (The couple separated recently.) ........Butler had previously lived in the Mojave Desert community of Palmdale, and established his Church of Jesus Christ Christian in Southern California before moving to Idaho in 1973. His church was an offshoot of loosely tied Anglo-Israelite cults, which were among the first Christian Identity groups, and the Anglo-Saxon Christian Congregation established in the '40s in Hollywood by Wesley Swift, an organizer for the anti-Semitic rabble-rouser Gerald L.K. Smith. ......... According to some reports, Butler, who is 80 and said to be in failing health, is considering another Southern Californian, Neuman Britton of Escondido, to succeed him. Britton is married to Joan Kahl, widow of Gordon Kahl, the North Dakota Posse Comitatus member who died in a shoot-out with federal agents in Arkansas in 1983. Britton, however, is 73, and other reports favor the former Texas Klan leader and Aryan Nations ambassador-at-large Louis Beam. ......"

In 1987 Arkansas State Medical Examiner Fahmy Malak ruled the deaths of teenagers Kevin Ives and Don Henry, found run over by a train, "accidental," saying the boys had smoked too much marijuana and fallen asleep on the tracks. A second autopsy and grand jury probe, finding evidence of a knife wound and beatings, declared it "definitely a homicide." Then in 1989 with the controversy over the train deaths case growing, a commission headed by then Arkansas Department of Health Director Joycelyn Elders cleared Dr. Malak. Nine months later, Gov. Clinton proposed a $32,000 raise for the medical examiner. A Malak ruling in a 1981 death case involving Clinton's mother, nurse-anesthetist Virginia Kelley, had helped her avoid intense legal scrutiny. In 1991, a month before Clinton announced his presidential run, Dr. Malak was promoted to a new job as a Health Department consultant to Dr. Elders."

"…... The Branch Davidians were targeted as one of 4 or 5 'churches' having gun rooms. The Waco 'project' evolved into a testing ground for new weapons (or old weapons in new applications), an exercise with foreign and military involvement. ……"

"……You know, of all that I have read, and written, about Waco, there is still a HUGE issue that has never been discussed in detail by the press, the government or the agencies. It is this simple question : Why did the BATF personnel open fire and continue firing until their ammunition was completely expended on a buiding full of innocent women and children?………..

That the BATF and other authorities understood that there were over 100 innocent men, women and children in the building who had nothing to do with the activities associated with their "warrant" cannot be doubted. That they would sustain such a fire fight in the face of this knowledge, from both the ground and the air, is both unbelievable and revealing.

……Finally, the photographic evidence to the exact contrary regarding the Davidians is also equally revealing. For, when the BATF ran out of ammo ... the Davidans allowed them to depart under a truce when they had it in their power to completely annihilate them after the deadly assault on their home. In the heat of such a fight, with dead men, women and children laying around me ... I doubt seriously that I could have withheld my fire on such monsters when they ran out of ammo and requested a truce to remove their wounded so they could then box me in like an animal.

Freeper e_castaillo "…Start with the ATF and end with the FBI and you get a bunch of callous, insensitive "government" slobs who report to no one….."

"……though the davidians had been targeted for some time, it appears that there was a last minute hurry-up of the raid, as though it were meant to take attention from something else...either that or be connected to something else......

"….TINFOIL ALERT My Art Bell infected mind can't help but wonder if Koresh hadn't found or opened or whatever you do to / with the Seventh Seal….. I don't know what, exactly, that would entail, but it's interesting to me that what he had wanted to put on the air when they were negotiating seems to have been lost in all of the other details of this nightmarish assault…..When I heard, from a questionable source, about the messages that were being blared with the music at the compound when they were still trying to "smoke them out" it frightened me……It made me worry about listening to anything prerecorded because you never know what's buried beneath the music. ......I mean, is it coincidental that no one on FR is the type that watches a lot of network TV?…..Could we not be less brainwashed than everyone else? Have I lost my fricking mind? I mean, if it can be done, who's to stop someone from doing it?

WMD, IMHO, requires more technical sophistication than existed among the Branch Davidians. Try this on for size in light of the following: 1. Accept as a precondition the storys about Mena, drug and arms running are correct. 2. We were all shown pictures of large trucks hauling Koresh's weapons INTO the WALLED BD "compound". We were supposed to assume that they left EMPTY. 3. Somebody's money, somewhere and when BUILT that complex compound. I would love to talk to the contractor involved. it supposedly had a swimming pool, was of SOLID commercial grade construction...etc. in other words more than most fringe religious Southern churches. 4. Finally...suppose that Koresh's moonlighting job was nocturnally retrieving drug shipments jettisoned from on high from aerial transports, loading trucks, behind his walled compound with the booty, after being paid with a load of weapons offloaded first? This scenario explains to me a number of peculiarities about this whole operation. It then places the CIA at its core which explains how and why so many people are being used.

Suck My AR-16 lead "….Then there is the case of the missing Oxnard, California armory machine guns (50 cal.'s) from 1959. Some in Calif. hear that higher-up's were involved and the Hollywood meeting just before the Holocaust was about returning the weapons that were supposed to be stored at Mt. Carmel. ….."

"…..The National Guard weapons mentioned came from the Oxnard, California armory, stolen in 1959. Among the weapons were numerous 50 caliber machine guns. Over the years they have been mainly under the control of William P. Clark. …..David Koresh made a trip for a meeting in Hollywood just a short time before the Waco siege began. Proof of this meeting can be found in the many books and some videos on the Koresh story. …….The meeting was with the California Mafia, headquartered in Oxnard. He and other high-up Davidians were paid to hide these 50 cal. weapons at the compound. When he was ordered to move the weapons he refused and tried to use the weapons for ransom. ……Fearing the weapons would somehow be found if Koresh persisted in his normal flamboyant ways, the order was given to get them back or destroy the evidence in any manner necessary. ……..After Waco, the official ATF Press Release listed all the weapons, parts and ammo found in the remains. Strangely, no 50 caliber weapons were mentioned. Yet, in the testimony before Congress, the ATF and FBI stated that the Davidians had and used 50 caliber weapons. None were produced as evidence, only 50 caliber projectiles or bullets were held up as evidence. The actual 50 caliber weapons found at the Waco compound were the Oxnard 50's. …..The Texas Rangers and the FBI knew the origin of these weapons and have concealed their existence to this day. The serial numbers will prove where they came from….."

Freeper amom 5/21/00 "…..While I was out hunting around I came across this. It's from the American Patriot Fax Network...

Ken Vardon LA Times interview 1/5/95 has mention of drugs, CIA. (url at end here)
K:Well, George Rodin, that ran that place before David Koresh took over, okay, you know, that was a major meth factory there. They were doing $30 to $50 million dollars a year.
L: We did hear about that...and I think Newsweek reported that.
K: And when David Koresh threw him out...
L: Right.
K: ...you know, they went in and made the deal to, you know, the guns, right? They weren't doing any illegal guns as far as guns shows and stuff like that. That's crap. Okay? And, you know, Paul Fadda, by the way, wasn't even there then, but you know, the uh...uh...there's considerable amount of money David sent outta there plus the evidence. David had the list of all the people that were in the payoffs when that place was a drug deal. He was in their face.
http://esotericworldnews.com/enemy.htm"

http://www.konformist.com/vault/wacodrug.htm Waco and the Drug Mafia 11/12/97 Paul Watson "……
Question, was there a drug connection in Waco?
"I think there is a strong connection. Ken Fawcett said on the short wave show Radio Free America that he and his friends found the remains of a meth lab stored in a metal shed on the back of the Mount Carmel property. As I recall the story, when Koresh was digging the peer and beam holes for one of the new buildings, he dug up the lab and several rubber stamps with fictitious names of companies, but all had the same post office box.

He called the sheriff, who told him just to get rid of it, they knew all about it. The guess is that Roden, the past head of the Davidians, was running the meth lab. WFAA (Belo Broadcasting ABC) here in Dallas did a series of investigative reports on the Waco DA: plea bargaining down many of the drug dealers charged in his county, well below the state average. The DA sued Belo, and I have been told they settled out of court for $10 million. The drug path goes to Mena, Arkansas and Dan Lasater: the CIA and Ollie North running drugs back into Mena. It is rumored that Clinton was paid 10% of the money to look the other way. Dan Lasater, Webster Hubbell, Hillary Clinton, and the Rose law firm are all part of the Arkansas drug connection. Webster Hubbell was the White House representative at the House Waco hearings. It is said that Webster Hubbell, Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton ran the whole Waco siege from the White House. Many think Waco was behind the death of Vince Foster. Then there is the FBI director William Sessions, who was fired the day after Vince Foster died. Davidian lawyer Dick Degarrin was a law school friend of Sessions. William Sessions said on ABC Barbara Walters show that Dick called him and convinced him to come down and talk to Koresh directly to end the siege. As soon as the White House found out, he was put under "House arrest" in his office and fired and Vince Foster died all in the same couple of days. This all sounds a little to connected for me..."

"…It is obvious to me...Clinton wanted to send a message early in his presidency to all former bodyguards...Shut up, or I can have you eliminated. It can be no plain co-incidence that the only guv agents killed were former Clinton bodyguards..."

WorldNetDaily 9/24/98 ".Steve Willis Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Robert Williams Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Conway LeBleu Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Todd McKeehan Clinton bodyguard Died Feb. 28, 1993 Killed by gunfire in the Waco, Texas, assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style….

"…In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in Waco -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." …"

"…However, the Little Rock, Arkansas, office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for president, and one while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician." .."

www.dabney.com/wacomuseum/ ".Conrad LeBlue's head bore two gunshot wounds. Todd McKeehan was killed by a single shot to the left upper chest which ruptured the aorta.. Robert Williams' head bore two gunshot wounds..Steven Willis's head bore at least two gunshot wounds. This was remarkable shooting for Bible students.."

Freeper Mr_Magoo "…..The 4 dead BATF agents: I looked at the autopsy reports on them. All 4 were killed with 9mm "armor pierceing" ammo. The only people that had that type of ammo were the Feds. The BD's shot mostly .22 and .223 stuff….

Freeper Mr_Magoo "…..Only three died from head wounds. One to the back of the head, on two the entry wound was behind the right ear, the exit wound was the left temple. The 4th died from a chest wound that hit the heart.

Note #1: With the body armor used the only rounds that could go through that armor were BATF issue.

Note #2: All 4 died from wounds from 9mm ammo. The same ammo that was issued to BATF that day.

Doc 20a, Doc 20b, Doc 20c, and Doc 20d. Those are autopsy diagrams of the 4 BATF agents. Pay close attention to the wound placements on diag. c+d. Not only are the wounds damn near identical, they are classic execution placement. (behind the right ear through the head, exiting on the left cheek) Doc 20a wounds are to the back of the head. Placement suggests friendly fire.

Four ATF agents were killed in the gunfight, and numerous wounded. Dan Hartnett, associate director of the ATF, claimed that the ATF suffered heavy casualties because of strict rules of engagement that prohibit shooting without a definite target. "We had to wait for a target because there are so many women and children inside," he said. But broadcast video of the raid shows agents exercising poor fire control, firing over vehicles with little or no view of what they were shooting at, at a rate of two rounds per second [11,27].

The ATF's concern for the women and children inside was further demonstrated by their use of the "9 mm. Cyclone" round in their submachine guns. This highly-penetrating round is available only to law-enforcement special operations teams and the military, and is specifically designed to cut through body armor [17].

Two separate federal sources told Soldier of Fortune magazine that such a round was removed from a wounded ATF agent, and that many, if not most, of the ATF casualties resulted from "friendly fire." [17]

Newsweek also reported that a federal source involved in the Waco situation said that "there is evidence that supports the theory of friendly fire," and that during the assault "there was a huge amount of cross-fire." [8] <B>Furthermore, in the released video footage of the raid, there is little or no evidence of return fire from the Davidians.

Note that one of the agents (diag. Doc 20b above) died from a chest wound that cut the aorta. All BATF agents wore body armor that day. All 4 BATF fatalities were not captured on film that I am aware of. Also, in the Congressional hearing in 1995, it was stated that the BATF used 9mm ammo. ......"

"…Also: it's clear that the initial contact with Koresh by Conway LeBleu of the *special unit* of the New Orleans BATF office was a burst of automatic weapons fire at Koresh from the silenced H&K MP5SD submachinegun LeBleu was carrying, which wounded Koresh- and Le Bleu was among those killed on the structure's roof, so there will be no testimony from him one way or the other. Assuming that both during the initial raid by BATF and the later FBI efforts it was imperative that Koresh be killed, and that BOTH actions were essentially those of federal police death squads, what would have been so pressing that the FBI would have helped the BATF *clean up their mess?*

Remember that the BATF was under consideration for elimination by congress, with the possibility that they'd either be disestablished and their activities taken over by the FBI, or that they'd become a branch of the Secret Service. Recall that they faced additional congressional scrutiny over the activities of racist BATF activities at their *Good Ole Boy Roundup* and that an investigation into fraud and mismanagement within the BATF's highest ranks was reaching a point of criminal indictments over BATF aircraft assetts and their acquisition and disposal.

Something involved within the investigation involved the new president, the BATF, the FBI and a buncvh of reclusive biblical scholars in Texas and linked them all together in suich a manner that the BATF response was to send in a raid team, though it was known that surprise had been lost, in the hopes that a New Orleans specialist could take care of their *little problem* in the first two minutes- That was the most important aspect of their mission- that Koresh be silenced, and never reach court or spill the beans via his attorneys.

Whatever it is, it's bigger, and likely much noisier, than a nuke...."

In mid-November 1992, personnel from the 60 Minutes television program began contacting BATF officials regarding a story that 60 Minutes was producing about sexual harassment within the BATF. [5] At the same time, the BATF knew that a new President was coming to power--a President who had pledged to fight sexual harassment on every front, to "reinvent government," and to cut the federal budget deficit.

The BATF had already been on the defensive about discrimination. In 1990, black agents had filed suit in federal court claiming that the BATF racially discriminated in hiring, promotion and evaluation. [6] A fresh round of discrimination complaints by black BATF agents came in October 1992, the month before 60 Minutes began setting up interviews for the sex discrimination story. [7] …

……The BATF had investigated David Koresh in the summer of 1992. The BATF investigation began about a month after an Australian tabloid television program produced a story about Koresh. [11] Having lain moribund since the summer, the BATF investigation perked up in mid-November. [12] By early December, the BATF was planning the raid on a seventy-seven acre property outside Waco, the Mount Carmel Center, *4 which the Branch Davidians called their communal home. [13]

A BATF memo written two days before the February 28, 1993 raid explained "this operation will generate considerable media attention, both locally [Texas] and nationally." [14] The BATF public relations director, Sharon Wheeler, called reporters to ask them for their weekend phone numbers. The reporters contend, and Wheeler denies, that she asked them if they would be interested in covering a weapons raid on a "cult." Wheeler, on the other hand, states that she merely told them, "We have something going down." [15] After the raid, the BATF at first denied there had been any media contacts. [16] Journalist Ronald Kessler reports that the BATF told eleven media outlets that the raid was coming. [17] …

In any case, the BATF's public relations officer was stationed in Waco on the day of the raid ready to issue a press release announcing the raid's success. [19] ……. Investigative reporter Carol Vinzant wrote:

60 Minutes rebroadcast the BATF segment a few months later. Host Mike Wallace opined that almost all the agents he talked to said that they believe the initial attack on that cult in Waco was a publicity stunt--the main goal of which was to improve ATF's tarnished image. [21] The codeword for the beginning of the BATF raid was "showtime." [22]

"….I think you are closer to the truth than we will ever see with the climate today. I still think tho, that the reason that the BATF ever came there to begin with will answer the most questions. This software, Promis, or the flight patterns to Mena, but I'd have to guess the software. That is the only thing the feds can not control, and they keep trying. The WMD would be too dangerous to go in after like they did, there was a reason they destroyed everything so completely.. …."

"……If the Kumnick link to Ruby Ridge is an accurate one, that would be a bit too much of a coincidence. The detail in the BATF diagram about those computers was something I never could quite grasp. Here was a group with inadequate septic facilities, who had to use the field behind the building as a disposal site for human waste, yet they had modern computers, in substantial numbers, a modern HAM communication facility, firing ranges, an infirmary, and--GET THIS--A PHOTO LAB. The photo lab seemed to draw the attention of the federal authorities as well, as it was also clearly marked on the diagram, and was set up close to the computer room. PROMIS may be an accurate theory, but I also think someone was running a spy shop there. In fact, it may have been more than one intelligence agency from more than one country. There was a whole lot more going on there than we will ever know.......

Freeper jedediah smith "……..Here is what Gunther Russbacher said about Waco in a July 1993 interview of him in prison, by Alexander Horvat:

Russbacher: Among a number of other things, he [Paul Wilcher] was also working on the Waco debacle. And I gave him stacks of information of who really went into Waco. Who in fact lit the operations, and who sanctioned them. And it was not the FBI.

Horvat: Or the BATF.

Russbacher: Of course not.

Horvat: OK.

Russbacher: It was Delta Group Special Forces.

Horvat: They were there.

Russbacher: They were not only there, but the Special Operations Group from those symbiotic units went in. If you'll remember at the time when Waco went down, directly, approximately 15-20 minutes before all hell, fury broke loose, you saw a helicopter overhead. And winching, people were being inserted into the compound. Into the building proper.

Horvat: OK.

Russbacher: And the intent was not to leave any living survivors.

Horvat: But there were some.

Russbacher: Yeah, there were, much to everybody's chagrin and regret.

Horvat: Yeah, and really nothing's ever been heard from them since.

Russbacher: How do we even know they're even still alive?

Horvat: Yeah, well-

Russbacher: How about the ones that were taken into "protective custody?"

Horvat: True, true. Yeah, we haven't heard anything from any of those folks-

Russbacher: How about the ones that were charged, formally charged, they weren't contemplating formally charging in United States district court?

Horvat: Oh, no doubt about it, very suspicious.

Russbacher: Absolutely.

Bear in mind that Russbacher said in this 1993 interview that Delta Force was involved, long before this was finally admitted. He obviously has good info, and according to him personnel were inserted into the building, presumably somewhere on the roof. …..

Freeper jedediah smith "……Regarding Wilcher and his memo specifically, I would list the following:

"…….I didn't realize the information content of Wilcher's report to Reno in 1993. I only wondered about his uneventful death. I thoought, originally,"another BS conspiracy theory." …… Then I started following up last year………. This was after the Texas Rangers showed proof that the government lied about starting the fire. (I thank my good friend, Neal Knox, for his post on this point and it was posted on FR last year.) …. And so I inquired more and more. I found the goal of government in this case is to create so much confusion as to point me to more information. So, eventually, through an INET buddy of mine, Pat gave me the whole Wilcher report…….

"…….If you have watched WROE, it is astonishing! If you watch WROE (1995 by McNulty) with Wilcher's (died May 1993) report to Reno (May, 1993) you see a fuzzy connection……. Then, when you start seeing all of AG's and everyone's reports on FR ... the conclusions are inescapable; indeed your fine work, dan…….

"…….I don't like rumours or conspiracy theory threads. It is another to find the truth. Our government lied to us! Our mass media subdued an investigation! And just like the guy that found the Academy Award Statues in a trash bin (for whatever reason) ..... I think all of us are trustworthy enough to do the same….."

"…… Wilcher's report discusses "Manchurian candidates" to some length throughout. As I said earlier, I don't necessarily understand or agree; all of these contentions require additional research………

…The truth is, "Triangle" landed on April 18th in Dallas-Ft.Worth; this is a CIA owned and operated aircraft. The massacre occurred the next day. Only recently (say six months ago) has the government admitted to Delta team "observers." Indeed, military and intelligence personnel from England and France were involved.

….The next morning, April 19th, the tanks start impelling the walls with "gas." At that time, enormous volumes of acoustic energy (120DB which can shatter your ear drums) is rolling off the FBI speakers, "This is not an assault! Do not be alarmed!" over and over and over..... remember these people had been under siege without hot and cold running water for nearly two months...... without energy such as electrical and natural gas .... without telephone service with exception to Jamaar ... they were trapped and isolated and afraid of the consequences for the initial assault by the BATF.

….Remember, also, that through those isolated days they were bombarded around the clock with Gregorian chants, 'Boots were made for walkin' -- Nancy Sinatra, and hundreds of other loud accoustical messages that would disorientate them and get them to leave. And a few did, as you know.

….But, returning to the morning of the 19th, they woke up to tanks busting down the walls with "gas." The FBI claims it was CS gas.

…..Now, takenoprisoner, I like you, had a nice lung full of CS in basic training. Nothing absolutely nothing would keep me from running out the door! And the training sergeant tried! Man ... I moved for fresh air without regard to anything in my path; without any other goal other than to breath.

….During my companies training exercise, two people were carted off to the hospital. As I recall, they were knocked in a coma. They later returned.

….But there were about 120 of us. Everyone had escaped the room to breath! Soom were vomiting and most, like myself, were coughing; attempting to remove any residual of the gas from our bodies.

….Let me assure everyone that exposure to CS is a noxious event, you move to get out! It is akin to being stuck in a small enclosed area with ammonia vapors; although with a much larger punch……The "gas" that the FBI inserted into the church was designed for outside use. It was being inserted for two hours into the church before the fires started!

……Watching WROE it is evident to me that through that period of time the FBI (or whatever they were) were firing into the church, keeping straglers in! They wanted those people to die. And it is clear to me, that during the fires the tanks kept moving along! Punching holes into the church, knocking down walls! Why? They maintained excellent communications capabilites. Why would the tanks, after the fires were started continue to batter the church? ….. When we find the factual answer to this question; Waco will be solved.

Alamo-Girl summary of the Wilcher Report and Attachments received from jedediah smith:

I also have an opinion on Waco - a theory actually - my first!!! It is based on the information collected on the Downside Legacy, especially the Waco Timeline http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39216bf33be7.htm

Of all the obstructions, stonewalls and coverups that have been observed - the top of the list, to me, are the two that the official reports omitted to mention. It is not reasonable that these two things could have been "overlooked" - therefore they are the red flags to me, the background for everything I've seen on the DSL concerning Waco:

A sinister theory based on these two omissions, viewing the obvious events of April 19th and what we now know, might be that it was a military mop-up: eliminate the enemy and remove the evidence of military involvement, and therefore all culpability of the highest level decision makers. To get that kind of special military assistance, in my view, several things would have had to be true:

If this were the case however, these subsequent events would make more sense:

If my theory is right, if that is what happened, then we can expect to see a lot of activity now.

In the first place the military guys have to know by now that they were used and are probably extremely angry about it. Vague "confessions" of military involvement on 4/19/93 are afloat; these guys are much too competent with top secret national security - to allow such information to get out unintentionally IMHO.

We know the Texas Rangers drew the line when they saw evidence they were being used and forced the issue last summer causing Judge Smith to make his unprecedented order forcing the government to fork over all of its evidence. The Department of Justice didn't cave in until Judge Smith ordered US Marshalls to seize the evidence. The U.S. prosecutor on the Waco criminal trial, Johnston, also discovered last summer that he was being used, released his documentary evidence and resigned.

Judge Smith must now know that he was also used as evidenced by his decisions and actions since last summer. Further, M.E. Peerwani wants to take another look at whatever remains of the remains and Senator Danforth has forensics already working.

If my theory is correct, Janet Reno was also used. She was not given all the information before or after the 2/28/93 raid, or since then. Further, the real decisions were then made - and continue to be made -separately and at a higher level of authority - which leaves her an easy target to be used as a last-ditch, high profile "scapegoat." Her hands are so dirty protecting this administration in myriad Independent Counsel and Congressional investigations, it would be a very easy sell. Who knows, maybe even Janet Reno will wake up too and get mad about being used. If that happens, the fur will fly! …..

I have since theorized that Judge Smith may have assured the long sentences for the Davidians in the interest of National Security and might therefore control the trial (non-jury) to protect the information. If so, I would expect him to also be very kind toward the plaintiffs.

Alamo-Girl 5/18/00 response: "….I did find one statement that might be a bit out-of-whack with the facts: According to our Source, by the time the FBI got involved, Janet Reno had already been briefed about the device. The DOJ Waco Timeline shows that at 9:30 a.m. EST on March 1, control of the Waco operation passed from the ATF to the FBI whereas Janet Reno was not sworn in until March 12th. Perhaps the source didn't mean the FBI's getting involved with Waco but rather their getting involved with the WMD at Waco - or perhaps Janet Reno was briefed well ahead of being sworn in?!

A few more supporting tidbits from the timeline: On March 21st there was a 2,000 gallon "diesel" spill and suddenly the next day the FBI started pushing hard to gas the compound. As of April 7th, people trying to leave the compound were "flash banged" and forced back inside. From then on there appears to be a strong effort to contain them in the compound, e.g. concertina wire - and on 4/19/93 the alleged crushing of exits and firing/blinding of people trying to escape. Very significantly - on the day before - 4/18/93 - a Delta Force operative is within 6 feet of Koresh and asks whether to nab him but command says not to do so, because they have a plan....

Freeper amom 5/18/00 "In relation to some of the additional data presented I put this here for your consideration.

FBI: I think what - you know - just - this is - I'm just imparting to you what my perception is. And my perception is that - that - what they want is they want you and everybody to come out. You know - I -
Koresh: I don't think so. I think what they're showing is that they don't want that.
FBI: Well, I think that - that is exactly what they want.
Koresh: No. They're not gonna - they're not gonna - they're not gonna get that. They're not gonna get that by what they're doing right now. They're gonna get exactly the opposite - exactly the opposite. They're gonna get wrath on certain people. They're gonna get anger from certain guys. Now I can't control everybody here.

And

FBI: I think you can.
Koresh: No. I can't. You gotta understand John -
FBI: Henry.
Koresh: Henry - I'm sorry. In 1985, I presented a truth. And everybody that's here - I had to debate and I had to talk to, and I had show from the scriptures. I had to prove my point for many hours, days, months, and sometimes years with certain people here.
FBI: Um, hm.
Koresh: They went to scholars. They went to theologians. I have a very unique group here.
FBI: Yes. You do.
Koresh: Not ignorant people - not stupid people. Now there are some people - that in the beginning - that went out like Kevin and Brad. Individuals that were - you know - people that were out there - bar rollers and stuff like that. Rough and tough guys. Now they're not - they're not the theologians of the world, but they're guys that need a lot of patience, and - you know - with a little bit of refinement and a little bit of proof to them - they can - they can be good people.

From the transcript of Koresh's conversation of the 16th/18th at the third draft. ….."

Alamo-Girl 5/18/00 "…..Here's a bit more going from your find... This is from Koresh's letters in the DOJ report (note this one is dated the 14th - or 11th - hard to read .... But the DOJ chronology shows letters only from the 9th and 10th

Page 25 "Dear Dick....I have related two messages from God to the FBI; one concerns present danger to people here in Waco. I was shown a fault line running throughout the Lake Waco area...."

Page 26 "....The earthquake in Waco is something not to be taken lightly. It will probably be "the thing" needed to shake some sense into the people. Remember Dick the warning came first and I fear that the FBI is going to suppress this information. ...."

Page 27 "....As soon as I can see that people like Jim Tabor and Phil Arnold have a copy I will come out and then you can do your thing with this beast...."

From/for wooly_mammoth concerning Chuck Byers

Letter allegedly written by Chuck Byers to Portor Goss:

Aristeides 5/19/00 "…..As I recall, in his 1996 radio interview, Gordon Novel attributed the Waco assaults to two things, naming Colby as his source: (1) the Clinton administration wanted to show the Serbs that it had to be taken seriously, and (2) the NWO feared the technology for free energy that the Davidians allegedly possessed. I don't have the time to dig up the references now, but if you run a Free Republic search on "title:"waco" -and from:"aristeides"", you'll find the ten installments of "Waco: A Carefully Planned Event?" ….."

Radio Interview of Gordon Novel (Installment 8) 10/17/96 Freeper aristeides "…. I: --so, we've got Gordon Novel on today, and we're going to go to him and he's talking to us from jail there and where you at, Gordon? C: Zanesville, Ohio, but not for long I'm told. I: All right, what'd they tell you? C: Well, they're not exactly happy about these shows. From what I gather some, some guys say I'm trying to become an American Mandella so, that's not exactly true. Because I'm not really deep into politics, and as you know I run a security company called Force One which does investigations particularly forensic criminology at a science level and so I'm just giving you some background. All of my friends that I'm talking to are saying, you know, I won't live through this but I may be able to give you some reasons today, with a little life insurance and try to give you some more insight to this Clinton Administration…..

….. so let me just say that I made a statement that I saw the D Plan that was used to genocide the Davidians on July 3rd as the result of one of Colby's friends getting it right before he was killed and drowned or whatever you want to call it. That's a euphemism around the CIA because it seems anybody at the CIA has to be terminated by somebody else's agency they tend to drown and it's been very, very common over the years because it's sort of difficult to trace a drowning death particularly when a frogman grabs you and pulls you down off your canoe and it gets kind of tough to survive it….

….But, let me just say that the bomb material that-- Waco is always symbolized by the bomb that went off over the building at the middle of the fire. We have done an invest-- rather an in depth research into that. We have the bomb container. We have the photographs of the rocket-like blasted hole in the top of the church vault where 28 women and children were killed by the bomb and many of them were obliterated.….. But I think what we can tell you is that if the FBI says they didn't bomb the building and kill those people there-- First there is this Forward Looking InfraRed video tape that one of your announcers there is rather familiar with and which I supplied a lot, which I supplied to him the technical information about the tape….

….There's about 66 gun shots or 76 by my count, 66 by some other counts but those shots were fired in the back of the building. The press was 2 ? miles away in a one square block area, isolated by the FBI so they couldn't see what was going on particularly behind the building. There was a courthouse SANITAIRE(?) of about five miles around the building and a flight? no one was allowed to fly over the building. No press was allowed to fly over the building for up to-- I don't know, thirty or forty thousand feet…..

…..So, I mean, the FBI was trying to conceal their information and what they were doing out there. I'll just say this that we, we know a lot more than I'm telling you that we know. And Mr. Clark is aware of it, as are some of the others. The bomb material, gentlemen and , at the hostage rescue team was, as you know as detasheet, d-e-t-a-s-h-e-e-t, which comes in olive drab waxed paper in 10 x 20 inch lengths and was put into a 20 inch camping container which we have all the photographs of and this is a PETN plastic explosive….

…..So that just so happens that when you put that much detasheet inside of a 20" x 8" high container you'll get exactly that type of fireball and exactly that type of hole in the top of the vault so its about as good a evidence as you can possibly get. The FLIR tape shows them setting the fire. Igniting the fire. It shows them killing women and children. At the height of the fire, 40 or 50 rounds being directed at the women and children trying to flee the church vault in the back of the building because they could only exit from the back of the building so when the government tells you they didn't murder these people, they are absolutely lying to you……

……Colby, when he supplied me this FLIR tape, their were dozens of people who became aware of it in order to protect me and to protect him, but we apparently didn't protect him and I'm not sure we protected me very well because I really wouldn't be here. ….. ….. But what I'm telling you is that Colby felt that Clinton was the most morally corrupt president that, in the history of the United States. I've got to say I agree with that. It ah, was ah, he was particularly perturbed even though, as I understand, he was member of the Council of Foreign Relations. He indicated he was……

…..The Davidians got a good sample of a no knock warrant and they were stormed by a battalion of storm troopers, and on a Sunday morning women and children were shot willy nilly and I can assure you those people were as peaceful-- selling guns at gun shows doesn't make them bad guys. David Koresh wasn't any worse than Brigham Young. Brigham Young, or Joseph Smith, the Mormon religion has 5 million members, a $28 billion organization was founded by a guy like David Koresh…… ….. So and I might add they did the same to Joseph Smith. If the man wants to have 15 wives then he needs to move to Utah. That was David Koresh's problem. I've investigated the man. I don't find him to be a deviate. I found him to be an extremely religious human being. The women loved him. The children loved him and most of his male followers around there were willing to give up their wives. Now, they had to believe in this guy. Whether or not he was preaching BS or didn't know what he was doing, it's his right to do that. It's our right to listen to somebody. If they want to be the Messiah, then let them be the Messiah. If they don't sell, then they won't sell. I mean, it's a market place out there….. ….But to take away our freedoms of religion by destroying a little church that had been sitting out there for 65 years and knocking it off the map in order to send a message to everybody--you better give up your guns when we come to get them, and send a signal to the Bosnians, is pretty sick…."

Freeper frankm from part three Gordon Novel, October 17, 1996 "...There's a missing five and a half minute section of the tape from 10:40 to 11:02 or somewhere in there, 10:47 to 11:02 AM in the morning and I saw that tape in New Orleans on December 22, 1995 and Colby didn't want to release that tape because he says if I give you that, he says, they're going to know who, who is getting all this information and ah, as a result, we saw them using blinding lasers being fired at Davidians who tried to come out of the building in the rear and they were blinded and then the tanks came up and drove them into the building and pushed the blade directly at them. But it was all on the missing five minutes tape...."

On Gordon Novel - Public Action, Inc. 12/30/99 Carol Valentine …… Clark's investigator was long time intelligence operative Gordon Novel, whose close ties to the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) span decades. Novel certainly should have been able to recognize the tell-tale marks of a Special Operations demolition fire. On the other hand, we might expect that Novel would protect his life-long friends in the military/intelligence community--he is one of theirs. It would be exceedingly naive to expect him to "investigate" Waco……Novel admits his close ties to DIA. In an interview with the American Freedom Network on October 10, 1996 (as mentioned above, we have confirmed the authenticity of the interview with AFN), Novel spoke of his security company, Force One, which was in operation at the time of the Waco raid. "At the time I had General Daniel O'Graham, who's the, was then the ah, former Deputy Director at the CIA and the Director of Defense Intelligence Agency." According to the AFN transcript, Novel said he (Novel) knew of the Waco raid three weeks before the event. He was told about the raid by "'a very close friend of mine, the former Special Agent in charge of ATF in New Orleans who had hired the four agents' ([who were killed entering the building.]" …."

On Gordon Novel - Public Action, Inc. 12/30/99 Carol Valentine "….This "close friend" -- according to Novel, Mike Hall, the man who conducted the siege of the Covenant of the Sword and the Lord in 1985 -- told Novel the Mt. Carmel raid would not succeed. Novel then called General O'Graham. Remember, according to Novel, O'Graham was at the time the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and on the Board of Directors of Novel's security company. "Danny, what is going on?" Novel asked. "He says: 'I don't know.' He says, 'but whatever it is,' he says, 'it's national security.'" Later in the interview, Novel says: "I am very pro CIA and I can tell you that there are some good guys that still work for the FBI but not a lot of them." ….."

On Gordon Novel - Public Action, Inc. 12/30/99 Carol Valentine Gordon Novel's name is mentioned several times by Jim Garrison in ON THE TRIAL OF THE ASSASSINS (above). During his investigation of the Kennedy assassination, Garrison found a trail of evidence which led him to a group of anti-Castro Cubans--and Gordon Novel. When Garrison was trying Clay Shaw for conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy, Garrison attempted to extradite Novel from Ohio to Louisiana for the trial. Garrison's extradition efforts were thwarted by Ohio officials…….Garrison cites a number of verifications that Novel was a CIA operative (pgs. 45, 193, 208-210, 266, 353). All in all, with his admitted ties to the Defense Intelligence Agency, his admitted admiration for the CIA, and the history Garrison provides, putting Novel in charge of investigation during the preparation of a Waco law suit is asking a defense contractor to investigate the Pentagon……"

On Gordon Novel - Public Action, Inc. 12/30/99 Carol Valentine "….Caddell has received a great deal of favorable press coverage. In an article written by Lee Hancock of the Dallas Morning News on October 31, 1999 ("The Waco network: Loose-knit group has spurred revelations on 1993 Branch Davidian siege"), Caddell complains that the US has been withholding evidence he needed to pursue his case. "Because of the government's stonewalling, we've been forced to rely on this loose-knit coalition," he is quoted as saying. "Without their getting information that the government kept from us, we wouldn't have a case." This loose-knit coalition of Caddell's includes Gordon Novel (Ramsey Clark's investigator, see above) and Michael McNulty, the co-producer and director of research for the video "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" and researcher for "Waco: A New Revelation." ……"

NewsMax.com 4/30/00 David Hardy ".......I said I'd heard statements like that -- the truth about Waco could not be explored, for fear of violence, but discarded them as agency excuses. .....

Carlos said no -- the fear is real, and it's not poppycock. The truth is really that grim. The Committee had not yet figured out how to reveal the truth without running this risk, and until it did, it had to disavow his work and sit on the other information.

Much of the data was in the hands of certain key reporters (a few of whom he named), and they were sitting on it for the same reason. But it would come out in time......"

00 DEC 1992 BATF Director Stephen Higgins said there was no probable cause to obtain a warrant; ATF agents requested CQB training by US Army Special Forces (after incident Treasury investigation does not refer to the request); US Attorney Johnston said the ATF had discussed capturing Koresh outside the compound and then searching inside but "inexplicably" the plans shifted to a "big paramilitary" raid…..

00 JAN 1993 – Gordon Novel (CIA affiliated, investigator for Davidian civil attorney Ramsey Clark) heard from a "close friend" Mike Hall that the Waco raid would not succeed. Novel called General O'Graham (Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and on the Board of Directors of Novel's security company) and asked "Danny, what is going on?" Novel asked. "He says: 'I don't know.' He says, 'but whatever it is,' he says, 'it's national security.'" ….

06 JAN 1993 – Texas National Guard Counterdrug UC-26 overflight of Davidian residence and Mag Bag (auto body shop) showed a "hot spot" inside the residence and 3 persons as "sentries";

14 JAN 1993 – Alabama National Guard under "memorandum of agreement" w/ Texas National guard conducted aerial photography; neither had sufficient authority per their own regs

15 JAN 1993 Col. Browning letter approved the 06 JAN 1993 request, to be provided by the Regional Logistics Support Office in El Paso, TX….

28 JAN 1993 (approx) ATF request for military assistance: "on-call" seven armored Bradley fighting vehicles, 100 gas masks, 500 sandbags, 90 sleeping bags, 15 night vision goggles, a water tank truck, ten tents, including one for "VIP sleeping" and one for "VIP meeting," electric generators and smoke generators "to cover two square kilometers with concealment smoke."

02 FEB 1993 Operation Alliance request of the Commanding General of JTF-6 for the use of Special Forces personnel; Lt Col Philip Lindley US Army Special Forces Command Staff Judge Advocate was notified after which the request was limited to "coordination on Army ranges and teaching ATF how to develop an operations order. "…….

03 FEB 1993 to 25 FEB 1993 – Texas National Guard conducted 5 more reconnaissance/surveillance overflights

16 FEB 1993 US Army Special Forces Command Sgt 1^st Class Greg Handy, Sergeant First Class Chris Dunn and SSgt Cordell W Ackley left Fort Bliss for Fort Hood to survey training sites.

17 FEB 1993 Handy, Dunn and Ackley met with Hood's range control office to secure use of Hargrove MOUT (Military Operations Urban Terrain) Training Center; they also met with ATF agents Kenneth King and Bill Buford, team leaders of Special Response Units assigned to execute forced entries through second-floor windows at Mount Carmel.

19 FEB 1993 Handy, Dunn and Ackley returned to McGregor Range; ATF agents went over and asked Koresh to go shooting; he agreed and provided the ammunitions; the agents even handed him their guns

22 FEB 1993 Entire Detachment (Dunn, Handy, Staff Sergeant Jon F. Wilson, Ackley, Captain Clyde Moore SSgt. Michael J. Dooney, SSgt. Steven M. Fitts, SSgt. J C. Burkhardt and SSgt. Robert R. Moreland) returned to Hood; Dunn and Wilson met ATF point-of-contact, agent Kris Mayfield

24 FEB 1993 At Fort Hood, ATF leaders met with the special forces troops assigned to train them; the advisers helped construct a mock-up of Mount Carmel and opened the rifle range for ATF's sharpshooters, who practiced shooting from a range of 260 meters; troops impersonated Davidians to help training.

25 FEB 1993 to 27 FEB 1993 Eight man team of Green Berets trained more than 50 ATF agents at Ft Hood with limitation: Army medics could train how to treat "battlefield" injuries but could not attend the raid, Berets could train in the use of sophisticated firearms, but could not teach them close-quarter battle tactics, Berets could teach how to develop an attack plan but not participate in preparing or rehearsing a specific plan.

26 FEB 1993 World Trade Center bombing (FBI HRT investigating this would be sent to Waco);

28 FEB 1993 BATF raid at Davidian church near Waco, TX; several residents killed; 4 BATF raiders killed and several wounded/injured, and church leader David Koresh wounded by BATF submachinegun fire; Bill Buford injured.

00 MAR 1993 Secret CIA meeting concerning CAG participation in Waco (CAG participation was authorized by Joint Chiefs of Staff); General Peter Schoomaker (had once headed the Army's secret anti-terrorist unit Delta Force and now is at U.S. Special Forces Command at Macdill Air Force Base in Florida) visited Waco and later attended briefings with Reno

01 MAR 1993 – 19 APR 1993 FBI requests for military assistance: the loan of M-1 Abrams tanks, helicopters and big combat engineering vehicles, training in the use of 40 mm grenade launchers; at least one commando from the elite British Strategic Air Service came to Waco as an observer.

02 MAR 1993 Special Operations Commanders memo to Joint Chiefs and the FBI said they had carried out "observation of operations in Waco, Texas" – stamped "secret specat";

03 MAR 1993 "Mag Bag" searched

06 MAR 1993 Schneider says "…I really -- I'll tell you the truth. I -- it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't want to get rid of the evidence. Because if this building is left standing, you will see the evidences of what took place……"; in negotiations with the FBI Koresh says "Well, I'm saying y1all keep negotiating with us and stuff. But woe to the bloody city. …."

08 MAR 1993 Three robots shipped to Waco w/2 civilian engineers, a Marine Corp major and an Army Captain; FBI faxed formal assault plan to White House at the request of Webb Hubbell; planned but aborted was a strategy to drug the BDs water supply;

11 MAR 1993 Wilcher learns that Koresh had extensive CIA background;

15 MAR 1993 (approx) Meeting of 20 special operations experts incl FBI/Delta to discuss Waco as a case study; Cullen (a senior case officer with the CIA's Special Forces Group) proposed using chemicals to render BDs unconscious – plan rejected as a risk to the weak;

21 MAR 1993 Spillage of 2,00 gallons of diesel fuel on south side of complex; 4 Delta Force "observers" deployed (not revealed for 6.5 years)

22 MAR 1993 FBI began pushing to use tear gas in writing;

30 MAR 1993 Special Operations Command responds to FBI’s request for assistance; report forwarded to Defense Secretary Aspin and the Joint Chiefs, led by Gen Colin Powell

07 APR 1993 FBI activated two "flash bangs" to keep a person from leaving the building

09 APR 1993 Schneider came out and was flash-banged; another male exits and is flash-banged; FBI says they would not even try to fight any blaze that broke out despite the cautions of Jahn;

10 APR 1993 HRT began installing concertina wire around compound

11 APR 1993 FBI flash-banged another person trying to leave

12 APR 1993 Sessions, Clarke and Potts briefed Reno (and Hubbell) on the tear gas option; individual arrested at a roadblock trying to get into the compound

13 APR 1993 HRT notes stated that the FBI's chief tactical commander and the Army officers were summoned to Washington to ``brief White House -- liaison Hubble (sic),'' adding ``Hubble want (sic) military expert's opinion of the operation.''

14 APR 1993 Second briefing of Reno included Dr Harry Salem chief scientist for life sciences at the U.S. Army Chemical Biological Defense Command, Col Boykin of Delta Force and Gen. Schoomarker; Reno was persuaded that tear gas wouldn’t harm individuals or ignite; DeGuerin told Jamar that Koresh would exit after writing a manuscript about the Seven Seals; 6.5 years later Cullen said they were told in a CIA briefing that more than 10 Delta would be actively participating in the attack; FBI began to gather information about the Davidian’s water supply

15 APR 1993 FBI flash-banged a male trying to exit, he tried again and was flash-banged again; FBI reported that water storage tank in the rear appeared to be full; [redacted]

16 APR 1993 Hubbell reported that Reno’s answer was no; Sessions, Clark and Potts asked to see Reno personally; Reno wanted documentation; Koresh confirms he will come out after writing the manuscript "I'm giving you the simple answer. Yes. Yes. Yes. I never intended to die in here."

17 APR 1993 Reno received documentation and approved the tear gas plan; Louis Alaniz (first to sneak in) came out; FBI notified of Reno’s decision that evening and began preparations

18 APR 1993 Reno briefed Clinton; Delta penetrated the building (they had on several occasions) and saw Koresh w/I 6 feet and radioed Tactical Operations Center for permission to grab him – w/I minutes the word came back from the Justice Department "No, we already have a plan in place.";

19 APR 1993 FBI attacks church with tanks, automatic weapons fire, gas. Inhabitants killed;

20 APR 1993 Wilcher received initial information that Waco was a mass murder

03 MAY 1993 Wilcher received specific information on how the 20 APR 1993 information was carried out

05 MAY 1993 Wilcher’s originally scheduled appointment with Reno

13 MAY 1993 A document was written as a synopsis of the 14 APR 1993 meeting with Reno, Col Boykin, Gen Schoomaker and others; the after the fact memo stressed the military only played a "supporting role" and that they understood the legal restrictions on their activities

21 MAY 1993 Wilcher gave a 100 page report to the Department of Justice. On the cover page he says "….The lives of key participants, other witnesses, and even myself are now in grave danger as a result of my passing this information to you..." This is the first outside report of Delta Force involvement at Waco - it was not confirmed until summer of 1999

11 JUN 1993 Wilcher disappeared