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Sightings
From: rumills@rumormillnews.com
3-25-00
THE UNCENSORED GORDON KAHL STORY
In 1968, Tax Protestor Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns. For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, some 250 phone calls would come into the radio station over the next two days; either supporting Kahl in some aspect, or pledging never to file another tax return.
And with that, the IRS came down on Kahl like a ton of bricks. They quickly assembled a case against him and two weeks later threw a criminal prosecution against him for violating Title 26, Section 7203 ["Willful Failure to File"]. Gordon Kahl was a low-income farmer not even meeting minimal statutory standards for threshold income levels achieved before being required to file 1040s, but that was not about to stop the IRS, who is good at changing the facts by creating facts.
Convicted and incarcerated, when out of Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary on parole, Kahl left the Texas judicial district he was confined to by claiming that some aspect of the Restriction Orders was defective. He soon moved to North Dakota -- and there, he met his fate. A criminal Summons issued from a Federal Court in Midland, Texas was served on Gordon Kahl on August 8, 1980, charging him with a misdemeansor. Gordon Kahl responded by informing the Court that he would not be appearing, and the matter was allowed to be deferred until March 31, 1982, when the Justice Department obtained a Federal Arrest Warrant citing his parole violation.
Then, that Warrant was held up again until July 26, 1982, some 16 months later, when it was sent to the U.S. Marshals Office in Fargo, North Dakota on February 13, 1983. The United States Marshals and the Federal Court in Texas knew of his whereabouts in North Dakota at all times. After a two and one half year delay in the case, the fact that there was a "problem" controlling the prosecution of the case is self-evident.
If that chronology had been published in the New York Times in the context of discussing some other unfortunate incidents that had happened, it would be referred to, very defensively of the Government of course, as mere "bureaucratic bungling," in an attempt to discredit the obvious interposition of the "Lateness of the Hour" operating against the Government to bar the legitimacy of their management of the case.
Once again Gordon Kahl had attracted the attention of the United States Government. With the personality known as Ronald Reagan acquiescing indifferently as President, and with William French Smith sitting as Attorney General, the word came down the pipeline to GET RID OF GORDON KAHL, and the stage was set for the kind of confrontation the Feds wanted.
A violent attack was planned against Gordon Kahl at his farmhouse, and it was going to be well publicized. The attack would be in the form of a roadblock, it would be in the evening hours, and it would occur in a remote rural area. The timing of the attack in February of 1983 was selected to coincide with the trials of other related criminal prosecutions then going on that would be favorably tipped towards the Government, as the Juries were exposed to what would be surfacing visibly on the news as the Gordon Kahl "incident."
From his farm in Heaton, North Dakota, both Gordon Kahl, along with his neighbors, and the Chief of Police of Medina, North Dakota, Darrell Graff, all had received several advanced notices that the United States Marshals were planning a very unpleasant reception for Gordon Kahl, and in the case of Darrell Graff, he was told bluntly to stay out of it.
Rather than meet his adversaries face-to-face to settle the grievance at that lower level, Gordon Kahl improvidently ignored the gathering storm and tossed aside the Warrant, thus giving his adversaries the benefit of intensifying the impending confrontation into an elevated status -- a level that originates out of the barrel of a gun, where the Feds were quite likely to prevail. Although that did not give the United States Marshals the right to come out first and shoot Kahl, it does however require that other people in difficult positions with juristic authorities facing contemplated extermination itself, should not replicate Gordon Kahl's modus operandi.
On the 14th of February, 1983, Gordon Kahl, accompanied by his wife and son Yori, left a meeting in a Medina, North Dakota commercial district and headed home. Gordon Kahl was under surveillance and he knew it. He could have been picked up at the meeting, but the Feds had a surprise for him and wanted the remoteness of a rural environment. His son Yori detected something adverse and dangerous in the air, and so he took his father's jacket and cap and wore those on himself on the ride home that afternoon.
Not far from his farmhouse a roadblock had been set up by U.S. Marshal Kenneth Muir. It was a very unusual roadblock in that it had an ambulance and firetruck waiting there. Yes, there was going to be some trouble. The Marshal had not come to arrest, but to murder. Bringing neither the Arrest Warrant, nor any identification, Deputy Muir brought his gun and orders to terminate Gordon Kahl.
Arriving at the roadblock, Gordon's son, Yori Kahl, fled the pickup truck and ran to a nearby telephone pole for cover. Thinking that Yori was his dad Gordon, Marshal Muir opened the shooting by firing several shots at Yori.
Yori did not fall to the ground quick enough to satisfy the killer Marshal, so Marshal Muir kept on shooting until Yori fell. After spending a while at the hospital, Yori Kahl would actually survive to be charged with murder, and later convicted by a jury in a Star Chamber that was highly pressured by the U.S. Marshals and had numerous other fatal irregularities that would never survive reversal on appeal.
Back at the evening roadblock, after seeing his own son cut down by Marshal Muir, Gordon Kahl grabbed a gun and let Marshal Muir have it, killing him and Deputy Marshal Robert Chesire. Injured was Deputy Marshal James Hopson.
Staying in the background, looking at all of this shooting and profanity being thrown about, was Chief Darrell Graff of the Medina Police Department, who was told in advance that Kahl was going to buy the farm, and that he was to stay out of it. Gordon went over to the telephone pole, dragged his son Yori, white with blood loss and bleeding profusely, over to an unmarked police car, drove him to a hospital back in Medina, and then as a thick fog quickly settled in on the Fargo countryside, Gordon Kahl sped away into the night.
Soon, a swarm of military stormtroopers descended on Fargo, in military clothing and using military trucks [see Time Magazine ["Dakota Dragnet"], page 25 (February 28, 1983)]. They were on search and destroy orders. Gordon Kahl was immediately placed on the FBI's ten most wanted list, and was the subject of the most intensive fugitive search in the history of the FBI. It was a massive operation.
A tight clampdown was put out in North Dakota, accompanied with extensive random stops of motor vehicles, but nothing ever turned up. For Gordon Kahl, thousands of armed forces were called into search the surrounding North Dakota countryside. Every available private bounty hunter known to the FBI was hired and put on the case, but fugitive Gordon Kahl slipped through it all.
In comparison to what they can do when they feel like it, it is worthwhile noting how J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI never showed any such interest in capturing unknown fleeing killers when President Kennedy was shot in Dallas.
No roadblocks, no dragnets, no manhunts, no searching -- nothing but CIA agents carrying Secret Service credentials restraining people from approaching the grassy knoll for about 10 minutes.
For the next three months, Gordon Kahl had found a home with some friends, Mr. and Mrs. Ginter, and a Mr. Russell, who kept moving him quietly from house to house. It was rather obvious to anyone that if he was ever found, he would be killed immediately.
In time, Mr. Russell's daughter, Karen Russell Robertson, noticed that her father was hiding Gordon Kahl. Possessed with First Person evidence ["I saw...," "I heard..."], she in turn went to the FBI and spilled the beans. She was given $25,000 and the promise of immunity from prosecution [see the New York Times ["Arkansans Guilty in Tax Rebel Case"], page A19 (October 19, 1983)].
The rural house where Gordon Kahl was staying was placed under FBI surveillance; but the results were inconclusive. On the morning of June 4th, a special FBI team of animals and savage killers [which is no exaggeration], known as the FBI SWAT TEAM, left their home base in Washington, D.C. and flew into Lawrence County, Arkansas on a private FBI jet. There, they were met by local FBI agents, other FBI agents, the Arkansas State Police, the Sheriff of Lawrence County, Arkansas, his deputies, and a confluence of United States Marshals assembled from across the country. Several Marshals invited to the Kahl execution operation arrived too late and missed it.
Later in the afternoon, it all began. The quiet, isolated and remote house was cordoned off, roadblocks were set up, and all without Gordon Kahl detecting anything amiss. Soon that afternoon, Mr. Ginter left the house alone and he was stopped down the road. He claimed his wife, Norma Ginter, was in the house alone. Now, the house where Gordon Kahl was living was more closely surrounded, and Sheriff Gene Matthews went to the front door to remove Mrs. Ginter from the scene.
With her out of the way, the FBI started open shooting, and saturated the house with bullets; but the earth shelter house was made with concrete walls and Gordon Kahl survived through it all without a scratch. The 36 year old local Sheriff, Gene Matthews, was killed incidental to the FBI siege on the Gordon Kahl hideout.
After a while, as the firing stopped, the FBI cordoned off the house for themselves while the Delta Force animals converged on the house like starved panthers going for a piece of meat. They found Gordon Kahl alive and well inside the home, hiding behind the refrigerator. He was taken to the living room, thrown on the floor, and was worked over with the butt end of their rifles. While numerous bones were being fractured and his teeth were being smashed in, other members of Delta Force went on a rampage in the house, smashing pictures and the television set, over-turning furniture, a copier, and taking a fireman's axe and chopping up a bookshelf.
While Gordon Kahl was pinned to the floor by the 6 to 8 Delta Force panthers, still under attack from the gun butts, the FBI agent with the fireman's axe turned to Gordon Kahl himself and chopped off his hand. Then he went around and chopped off Gordon Kahl's other hand, and then both of his feet were severed. While screaming with pain and with blood gushing out profusely over the floor where his hands and feet used to be, Gordon Kahl was shot in the head at close range, killing him.
A local Deputy Sheriff was given the honor of removing the bullet from Gordon Kahl's head [later that week, the deputy would tell a neighbor that he had not eaten in three days]. When local people viewed Gordon Kahl's dismembered body, they became nauseous and sick, stating that the man they just hacked apart was not Gordon Kahl, but Mr. William Wade, who was the owner of the land and resembled Gordon Kahl closely in age and appearance, and was well known to the Sheriff and others personally.
There was confusion; immediately there was trouble. A massive series of roadblocks were erected again, and the thorough searching of all automobiles over a wide radius was started; it was believed that Gordon Kahl had slipped out once again.
Local residents monitoring the operation on the police radio band heard a call made for some gasoline to be delivered to the house. Now that the murder of Gordon Kahl had been botched, the Feds were going to cover their own tracks and torch the place. The Delta Force animals left the place with extensive blood stains covering their clothes and took the private FBI jet back to Washington.
The roadblocks were called off when Mr. Wade, the owner of the land, showed up in town alive and well. The body of Sheriff Matthews was taken to a local hospital, while later in the evening after the fire the Feds had set had died down, the charred body of Gordon Kahl was taken to the local coroner.
The dismembered body was later identified as being that of Gordon Kahl. But the bodies and the house were only lightly charred, since the house was fabricated from cast concrete walls and the fire never got that intense. The corpse identified as being Gordon Kahl's was missing teeth, hands, and feet, had a bullet hole in the head (without a bullet), and was extensively covered with tissue bruises and fractured bones. It was very shocking and disgusting, as people who saw photographs of Gordon Kahl's charred remains, taken by the coroner, reported a stark and terrified look on his charred face; he had died in extreme terror, screaming violently from the pain. They had gotten their man.
The man who was Director of the FBI at the time that this murder operation was being performed, was William Webster. He personally supervised it. And when you get to know William Webster very well, you will become acquainted with a great murderer.
Gordon Kahl was later buried with military honors -- whatever that meant.
His wife back in North Dakota received several mean and ugly death threats from the Feds to keep quite or be murdered herself. Meanwhile, the rest of the country went on like Alice strolling through Wonderland; believing that all was well and that the Federal Government is your trusted friend, and that some little Tax Protestor over there got what he deserved.
Back in Arkansas, while shifting through the smoldering ruins in the kitchen, a reporter for the New York Times accompanied by Ray Wade, the land owner's son, found Gordon Kahl's left foot that had been severed off by the axe.
It was taken to the local coroner Dr. Fahmy Malak in Little Rock, confirmed as being Gordon Kahl's sliced off foot. However, this was news not fit to emphasize, and the reporter's story was blurred over when printed [see New York Times ["Gunfight Shatters Tranquility of Arkansas Hills"], page 14 (July 3, 1983)].
Mr. and Mrs. Ginter, who had been harboring Gordon Kahl, were charged not only with aiding and abetting a fugitive, but also were fraudulently charged with the murder of Sheriff Matthews. At Trial, the only evidence introduced against them, outside of the background story, was first person evidence from Art Russell's daughter, Karen Russell Robertson, who reported to the Jury what she had seen her father do. And with that eyewitness evidence, the Ginters and Art Russell were convicted and sentenced to protracted incarceration in a Federal Penitentiary [see New York Times ["Arkansans Guilty in Tax Rebel Case"], page A19 (October 19, 1983)].
In conclusion, note that a large volume of the continuous reporting that the New York Times and Time Magazine did on the story from February through October, was based, as usual, on the mere replication of whatever the FBI and wire services had told them, as the Government Billboards that they are -- and so their reporting is highly edited, inaccurate, and distorted news. Be advised that there are numerous inconsistencies in those articles between what they have reported [as the Feds are quite good at changing the facts], and what is reported herein. Until their own reporter J.C. Barden actually went to the torched house to dig at facts for himself on the case, some of the real facts never surfaced, and his reported factual details considerably change the character and color of the savage FBI animal attack on Gordon Kahl.
Incidentally, Mr. Ray Wade, who found Gordon Kahl's foot, was also threatened with being killed himself if he did not remain silent, as were other local residents who also saw different aspects of the bloody reign of FBI terror that went on during that fateful day -- as the FBI once again allowed itself to be defiled by acting ministerially, without and wanting jurisdiction, on behalf of those presiding in Washington who had handed down the extermination orders.
It's All About Power. - A true and accurate eye witness account of the shoot-out between Gordon Kahl and US Marshals at Medina, North Dakota By Former Medina Police Officers Darrell Graf and Steve Schnabel.
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It IS always about power - who's got it and who doesn't.
If any doubt the power, I'll bet there are folks on this site that are afraid to even post on this thread.
"The Gordon Kahl Story" is one of the most sobering videos I've ever seen. As a vet, it broke my heart. I viewed it shortly after seeing "Waco: The Big Lie Continues", and one about Ruby Ridge.
If we don't take back control of our government fellow Americans, we are headed straight to Fascism and Totalitarianism ... HELL!!!
I got through most of the article, until I got to "Fahmy Malak", which led me to spit coffee all over my keyboard.
Thanks a lot, UB.
No, I don't doubt... But neither do I fear. Those who do this sort of "work" undoubtedly already know my name...
the infowarrior
SSG AUS 73-87
We must Remember in November to cast our vote for honest people who are principled, moral and support and follow our Constitution and Declaration of Independence, without equivocation.
Power is with the people. If we the people chose to sit back and let others take charge and violate, the Declaration and Constitution and not vote in others in their stead then we deserve what we get.
Changes in candidates could be accomplished at the grassroots level and then support for those selected for the ballot should be vigorously supported and Voted for.
"REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER"
I went to school and worked with a friend who's Uncle and Dad were involved with the Posse Commitatus (sp?)which Kahl was associated with.
His Uncle was besieged by nearly 100 "law" enforcement agents ( including a tank!)and he finally surrendered when the agents held his 80 year old grandmother at gunpoint and threatened to shoot her if he didn't come out.
His Dad was found dead in his home and the local sherrif not only refused to investigate, but would not even come get the body. officers from a neighboring county were called in, but his death was labelled "mysterious" but dismissed (the officers had no jurisdiction).
Of course, none of this ever reached the media.
Rough story
I'm wondering when the feds will want to make another "example".
say it ain't so flo
Thank you both.
Afraid to post on this thread? I think not. This is nothing unusual for the government since the early 1960's. The general public just doesn't have a clue.
It is my understanding that an attorney in Nebraska took up the case of Yori Kahl, and persuant to it, the body of Gordon Kahl was exhumed and shipped to Los Angeles, where Doctor Thomas Noguchi, famous forensic pathologist who performed the Marilyn Monroe autopsy, did a second post mortem. Noguchi, by then retired, found that the body of a dead Gordon Kahl was covered with a mattress, as fibers were found burned into the tissue, and subjected to high pressure flames.
In the inquest of the death, the supervisor of the raid, an agent Blasingame, tried to claim CS riot control agent accidentally set the building on fire. This testimony was later contradicted by an officer of the Arkansas State Police, who testified that Blasingame sent him to find gasoline, or some other kind of flammable liquid. The officer found some kind of heating oil, and someone climbed the roof and poured it down a vent. This was followed by some kind of grenade, the officer said a smoke grenade, but I heard from someone else who alleged it was a "willy pete."
Blasingame had to set fire to the place as the Arkansas National Guard refused to provide the FBI with an anti-tank gun.
A Memorial Day BUMP
because
"The general public just doesn't have a clue."
Helluva story and the first I've seen of it.
If you look closely, you can see many similarities to Waco sprinkled throughout.
Texas/Arkansas.
Rural Area.
Feds tell local law enforcement to back off.
Roadblocks.
He could have been picked up, but no, the goons had to make an example.
Ambulance and firetruck waiting, on hold, knowing what is going to happen in advance.
They did not come to arrest, but to murder.
Brought no arrest warrant.
FBI Swat Teams,Military stormtroopers, Delta Force
Open fire on home, bullet ridden doors, etc.
Fires, burn it down, hide the evidence.
Charred bodies.
Death Threats.
Lies, cover-up, media propaganda and suppression.
Etc., etc.
"The suppression of unnecessary offices, of useless establishments and expenses enabled us to discontinue internal taxes. These covering our land with officers and opening our doors to their intrusions, had already begun that process of domiciliary vexation which, once entered, is scarcely to be restrained from reaching successively every article of produce and property."
Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural, 1805. ME 3:376
"Our country is too large to have all its affairs directed by a single government. Public servants at such a distance, and from under the eye of their constituents, must, from the circumstance of distance, be unable to administer and overlook all the details necessary for the good government of the citizens; and the same circumstance, by rendering detection impossible to their constituents, will invite public agents to corruption, plunder and waste."
Thomas Jefferson to Gideon Granger, 1800. ME 10:167
Rumormill is a good name for this poorly written and bogus story. It's trash journalism without merit.
Yes, good old Malak is always on top of things isn't he.
1. Raymond Albright - Murdered 1992 - Actual cause of death was murder. Albright was shot 5 times in chest and Malak ruled the cause of death "suicide".
2. James Dewey Milam - Murdered - Milam had information on the deaths of Ives and Henry. Malak's initial ruling was an ULCER. Milam was decapitated. Malak concluded that the family pet had eaten the entire head and regurgitated the head later on. Unfortunately for Malak, the entire head was later found intact in a trash bin just a couple blocks away from the initial area where the body was found. Malak made up the entire story.
Point out the bogus parts please.
That "Dog Allegedly Eats Head" tale is my favorite from the World of Arkansas Corruption.
Read, weep, remember, get MAD!
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Gordon Kahl and wife Joan
Gordon Kahl in Military
"There are many problems in America today. It's All About Power is a stimulating account of the disaster at Medina, N.D. in 1983 which was the first in a series of similar shocking events that have rocked our nation. I would highly recommend everyone from politicians to distressed farmers and government agents to militia members read and learn from this fabulous book!"
Senator John DeCamp, Lincoln, NE
"The authors...have dealt with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for the past 16 years. This text should be a significant contribution to the education of other law enforcement officers."
Dr. Allen Koss, PhD, Sitting Bull College, Ft. Yates, N.D.
"This book is a compelling 'must read' for students of North Dakota history. The book puts Gordon Kahl's actions in the context of the farm crisis of the early 1980s. The mentality and anger then are informative now as we enter another period of foreclosures and bankruptcies in the Midwest. The book also protrays a searing account of the mistakes that were made, the betrayal and blame within the ranks of law enforcement and the long-lasting effects of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder on the officers. It is unsettling to read this book. It shakes the credibility of official accounts of the tragedy and invokes the specter of abuse of power, deceit, and cover-up."
Dr. Val Farmer, Farm PsychologistTrade journalist
Don L. Richards, who became aware of Libertarianism through reading Karl Hess and others in the seventies, formally joined the LP in New York in 1980.
His son David, a student at New York Polytechnic Institute, took him to a Libertarian dinner meeting in Brooklyn in honor of David's economics instructor, Prof. Murray Rothbard. There he met Prof. Rothbard, New York LP Chairman Gary Greenberg and other party officials.
Mr. Richards cast his first Libertarian vote in November 1980: Ed Clark for President and David Koch for Vice-president. (Clark drew almost 1 million votes nationwide running in a race with Reagan and Carter. No Libertarian Presidential candidate has come anywhere near that since).
In those days the New York Libertarians had to call themselves the Free Libertarian Party because the Liberal Party, a misnomered socialist organization headquartered in New York City, objected to the nearness of "Libertarian" to the sound of "Liberal."
In 1981 Mr. Richards worked for, ran advertising in local newspapers and contributed to the New York mayoral campaign of Judith Jones.
He authored an article for the April, 1994 issue (No. 6) of FLP News of New York , "Death and Taxes," the story of farmer and oilfield wildcatter Gordon Kahl, who had refused to pay his income taxes, and for that, was ambushed by federal marshals near Medina, ND, on February 13, 1983.
Kahl killed two marshals, wounded three other lawmen and escaped. Kahl died in a shoot-out near Smithville, AR on June 3, 1983 after taking out an FBI agent. Note: FBI agents shot tear gas into the place where Kahl was hiding. There was an explosion and fire. Sound familiar?
Kahl's body could only be identified later by dental records and old scars. During his flight from the federal police, Kahl wrote a letter containing these words: "I would have liked nothing other than to be left alone so I could enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which our forefathers willed to us."
In 1984 Mr. Richards contributed to and worked in the David Bergland for President campaign.
In 1988 he contributed substantially to the Presidential campaign of Ron Paul, who ran on the Libertarian ticket. Prior to 1988 and now in 1999 is Rep. Ron Paul (R) of the 14th District of Texas.
On a 1988 visit to son David in Houston, he went to Paul national headquarters on NASA Road 1 and visited with campaign manager Kevin Southwick.
In late summer of 1988 he attended the New York City campaign meeting of then Vice-presidential candidate Andre Marrou in Brooklyn, contributing to the Marrou campaign.
In 1990 he moved from New York to Texas, where he worked with the Libertarian Party of Harris County, running ads and news releases in various newspapers for the Presidential candidacy of Andre Marrou in 1992.
At a Harris County LP dinner party he interviewed Mr. Marrou for an article which later appeared in Chemical Market Reporter, and attended a rally where Marrou spoke at Rice University.
The Montgomery County Libertarian Party, which had been active in the early eighties but had become dormant, was re-established in 1993 by computer programmer Ken Gaillot of Houston Advanced Research Center.
Mr. Richards joined the county organization then and has been a regular attendee at meetings since. He created the MCLP's first website in 1996.
He has been Secretary of the Montgomery County LP since 1996 and, in 1998, he campaigned for US Congress District 8 of Texas on the Libertarian ticket.
FBI Wanted Poster
Russell Welch Deposition
"A. Yes. There was a period of time, and I can't remember the exact dates, I want to say it was in the area of 1985 or '86, it was right around the time that we had -- that Trooper Lewis Bryant was killed at DeQueen, and I can't remember to be the exact dates on that, and prior to the siege of the CSA camp up in-- near Harrison, we were having a lot of paramilitary, Ku Klux Klan type, paramilitary training by civilians. There was a lot of that going on, that type activity, and it seemed to be
everywhere. And we had become interested in the State Police trying to figure out what was going on, because we were getting just deluged with it. Gordon Kahl was believed to have been in the area, and found out he had been in the area. He lived in Mena under an alias for a year. And we felt like it was just a good area for that type of thinking, that type of activity, and we knew that we had the type of people. So when we would hear about military training in a certain area, it didn't surprise us. We thought we just had some more would-be mercenaries training in an area."
GORDON KAHL CHRONOLOGICAL INVENTORY OF LIFE EVENTS:
Uncensored Tapes from the making of Death & Taxes
I saw that Taos piece earlier. Pretty thorough, but I'd still bet there is something missing, early on.
I'd like to know what sparked that 'Pearl Harbor' quote. The 'oil-field' reference is also curious. Alternative energies.
He upset some very powerful people, and I don't think it was over the crumbs in taxes he would've owed.
Report of THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY on the BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, AND FIREARMS Investigation of Vernon Wayne Howell also known as David Koresh September 1993
"Gordon Kahl, who stood at the opposite end of the political spectrum
from the SLA, met a similar end. Kahl belonged to the Posse Comitatus which
refused to recognize the authority of any government above the county level.
Accordingly, Kahl consistently refused to pay his federal taxes, even after
he served time in prison for not doing so. When U.S. Marshals attempted to
arrest him for violating the terms of his probation, Kahl killed two of
them. For the next five months, Kahl hid among his friends and sympathizers
until FBI agents located him in a farmhouse just outside Smithville,
Arkansas. After refusing to surrender, Kahl was killed, and the farmhouse
was burned down.(7)"
Q. Have you attended gun shows?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is the significance of a gun show in terms of meeting people in this community of thinking?
A. A common thread in this movement is a -- an interest in and a study of the U.S. Constitution, the debates between the Federalists and the Antifederalists such as Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson; and the real focal point among these disparate groups -- because there's militias, there's common law organizations, there is different permutations of this same movement -- the common thread is a article, I believe, from the Second Amendment.
Q. Now, when we speak of the movement, we're using that as though it were singular, but in fact this movement or collection has many different portions, doesn't it?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Not all members of the militia are necessarily constitutionalists, and not all constitutionalists are necessarily militia members; is that correct?
A. That's basically true, although most are probably more conversant than the average person on the street about the U.S. Constitution, at least as they understand it.
In the case of Randy Weaver, the commonly held belief is that the rules of engagement that allowed a sniper to kill Mrs. Weaver were unconstitutional. I mean, that particular agent is seen in the movement as a murderer who has escaped justice. And in fact, I believe the Office of Professional Responsibility in the Department of Justice shared the viewpoint that the rules of engagement in that particular case, the Weaver case, were in fact unconstitutional.
Q. In this article that -- or essay that Mr. McVeigh is writing about, you look down to the third paragraph, he mentions some names, and he refers to such incidents -- do you see it there -- as Randy Weaver?
A. Right.
Q. Gordon Kahl?
A. Right.
Q. Now, there's also reference to Gordon Kahl, K-A-H-L.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And I don't think we've heard much about that. Who is Mr.Kahl, and what is his significance in the movement?
A. Mr. Kahl was a person from South Dakota, a person who considered himself a patriotic American, highly decorated -- I think he received the Silver Star, four Bronze Stars in World War II -- who, after he came home from World War II, became very disillusioned with the federal income tax system, with the Social Security system, and he began researching it and he -- as events evolved, he became a tax protester, and he -- it's not like he tried to hide, but he contacted the federal tax -- I guess the IRS and told them that he was withdrawing, that he was not going to -- withdrawing from the tax system, and actually he did file a form to withdraw from the Social Security system, told his employers, when he was working for someone, that he no longer wanted Social Security taxes withheld from his pay. He was sent to prison for one year, I believe, on a misdemeanor tax conviction, failure to file. And when he got out, he told his parole officer that he would continue to not file because he didn't believe it was right and that it -- he said that it violated his religious beliefs, that he thought
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the -- the system was evil. And when he did fail to file, that was a -- constituted a parole violation, and the marshal service in South Dakota issued an arrest warrant, and he was confronted while armed with his wife and his son and a couple of other people at a roadblock in Medina, (phonetic) South Dakota. And just as in the Weaver and the Waco cases, somebody fired a shot, and it's still debated in all three who fired first.
Q. Who does the movement believe fired first?
A. Well, the movement usually believes that the feds fire first. Like I said, it's debatable. But anyway, Mr. Kahl was involved in a shootout in which two federal marshals were killed and I believe three others were wounded, his son was wounded, very nearly died, and Mr. Kahl became a federal fugitive and was -- subsequently died of -- I believe of a gunshot wound and was also burned in a house fire in Arkansas.
Q. So wherever this confrontation took place on the highway, he escaped from there and made it to somewhere in Arkansas?
A. Yes, sir. About three months later, I believe. I think there was a three-month lapse there. But the Kahl case took on greater significance in the movement as events evolved. It was nationally reported when it happened, but it was seen at the time as more of an aberration or an isolated event.
Many of the people who post here who are outraged(and rightly so)about things like this no doubt supported and encouraged the same tactics against the Panthers and other groups. Not to mention the knee jerk support for the no knock warrants in the war against drugs. Either you oppose these tactics completely or it is just a matter of time until you become part of a group singled out for the tender ministrations of our lawless law enforcement.
Here's a "Patriot List" of "extremist groups" in the U.S. put out by Southern Poverty Law Center.
Patriot List - Boo!
Morris Dees: Fear-monger, Profiteer and Hypocrite... An Expose
SUSAN THOMASES- Related To Donna Dees-Thomases of Million Mom March?
ANTI-GOVERNMENT EXTREMIST MOVEMENT - Anti-Defamation League
Neuman Britton - Anti-defamation League
"He is married to Joan Kahl, the former wife of Gordon Kahl, a member of the Posse Comitatus killed in a shootout with law enforcement officials in Arkansas in 1983. Joan Kahl was a speaker, along with Britton at the Aryan Nations Congress in 1996."
Criminalizing Dissent
"Project Megiddo, the FBI’s "strategic assessment" of potential millennium-related domestic terrorism, represents a significant victory in the radical left’s "long march through the institutions" of U.S. law enforcement. The report, which was unveiled on November 2nd at a conference of the International Association of Chiefs of Police at Charlotte, North Carolina, has been distributed to law enforcement agencies nationwide. While no author is mentioned in the publicly available version of Project Megiddo, its contents are largely indistinguishable from the materials generated by leftist "watchdog" organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which regularly furnish law enforcement agencies with lurid reports intended to catechize law enforcement agencies about the supposed threat posed by the "radical right."
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I dislike Morris Dees a whole bunch. He is fear whore. He surfaces about twice a year via a prefunctory AP story, then sucks up money from various people.
The additional information was helpful.
Rumormill is a good name for this poorly written and bogus story. It's trash journalism without merit
Maybe you should change your name to "Blinders" 'cause you have them on. I can personally testify that this is indeed a TRUE story and all the facts presented are as I know them. Some parts of the story as I know it are actually left out of this account.
I can testify to its authenticity because, while I did not know Gordon Kahl, I know many people who did and who were witnesses to many of the events related in this story.
I have to question why you are so quick to dismiss it as "bogus" and "without merit?" Did you do any research to determine its authenticity? (rhetorical question) I'll go check your posting history in a minute, but I'm sure of what I'll find: if you've posted regarding Elian or Waco, you are supportive of the governments actions in both instances.
"A violent attack was planned against Gordon Kahl at his farmhouse, and it was going to be well publicized. The attack would be in the form of a roadblock, it would be in the evening hours, and it would occur in a remote rural area"
Was his farmhouse in the middle of the road?
I don't know where you have been hiding but this story is accurate. I have been following it for about two years myself.
Huh? I said I wasn't afraid to post here. I don't know if I believe the article in its entirety, but I know for a fact that the government has done this sort of thing for many years now. The reason it continues is that some people ARE afraid to speak up. I, for one, am not going to remain silent.
The Twilight MurdersM
Category: Action/Adventure
Cast: Rod Steiger, Michael Gross
Running Time: 1 hr 35 mins
Distributor: Cineglobe Video Inc.
Summary:
At twilight on a cold North Dakota road, a hardened team of federal marshals wait to intercept one of the most dangerous men in America - Gordon Kahl. In a few minutes of violent gunfire what should have been a routine arrest, turns into a nightmare as two veteran agents are slain by Kahl and his men.
Simmons College - Dept. of Communications
James Corcoran: James Corcoran teaches Feature Writing, Journalism courses, and, the course, Media, Messages and Society. Away from the classroom, Professor Corcoran continues his study of extremist groups and domestic terrorism. He has penned a series of opinion pieces about domestic terrorism that have appeared in the Boston Globe, Newsday of Long Island, as well as other publications. A new textbook, News Reporting and Writing, by Lorenz and Vivian, dedicates a chapter to Corcoran's reporting work on the late Gordon Kahl which earned him a 1983 Pulitzer Prize nomination and served as the basis for his first book, Bitter Harvest. Corcoran has also collaborated with civil rights attorney Morris Dees on a book about the militia movement in the United States, entitled Gathering Storm.
Jim Corcoran is on sabbatical for the Spring 2000 semester.
Wanted By U.S. Marshals - Differing Opinions
U.S.A. Versus Kahl
The news of the shoot out between U. S. Marshals and Gordon Kahl and his companions, including his wife , Joan and son, Yori...known members of the Posse' Commitatus...swept across the headlines of this countries newspapers faster than a prairie fire. Chapter 9 of Differing Opinions describes the activities of the defendants and those of the U. S. Marshals attempting to arrest them. This is the chapter from which Burrows gleaned the title for his book. The bloody shoot out near Medina, South Dakota is perhaps one of the most vicious in recent history. Portions of the transcript of the trial give the reader a minute by minute picture of the activities leading to, during and following the shoot out and death of the U.S. Marshal and one of his deputies. The radio transmissions, as recorded by police agencies, describes every movement of the units involved. Here, also, the jury was sequestered and placed under the strict supervision of the U.S. Marshals for the duration of the proceedings. The only thing missing from this very interesting chapter is the presence of Gordon Kahl himself, He had escaped the scene and fled the area to Arkansas.
Chapter 10 describes the demise of Gordon Wendell Kahl when he was tracked down by U. S. Marshals and other law enforcement agencies. Located near Walnut Ridge, Arkansas Kahl chose to hole up and shoot it out rather than surrender. In another bloody exchange of gun fire, Sheriff Gene Mathews gave his life in the line of duty, but not before hitting his target. Kahl died at the scene of gun shot wounds.
Bismarck Tribune
Early 1983 was a pretty bad time for North Dakota. The Medina shoot out between tax protester Gordon Kahl and U.S. marshals left two dead, and four people were murdered in Dickinson, barely a month later.
The Feb. 13, 1983, shoot out north of Medina between Kahl, his son Yori and compatriot Scott Faul, has been debated, analyzed, turned into a book and made into a movie. It is perhaps the most notorious event in North Dakota history and made national headlines for months.
U.S. Marshals Kenneth Muir and Robert Cheshire died in the deadly encounter. Four other people were injured, including Yori and three law officers. Gordon Kahl got away.
After a nationwide manhunt, Kahl was shot in another shoot out with law enforcement on June 3, 1983 in Arkansas. The younger Kahl and Faul were convicted and sent to prison.
IRS Special Agent Is Right, Says CPA
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go back to your hole sakic, you can come out and play when you've done your homework.
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Your threads are always fascinating. Thanks for the post.
Thanks so much! As our Congressmen would say. This is "concerning."
but I'm sure of what I'll find: if you've posted regarding Elian or Waco,
Agree on Elian, disagree on Waco. Sorry to disappoint your need to pigeonhole.
Do you blame Reagan for this as you blame Clinton for Waco?
Wow! This is the first time I heard this story as well as the other one's posted. I'm amazed at how people like you and all in the "know" of this are sitting around with finger in spinchter. I know for sure If my family were murdered by the Neo-Tories, no one would help--of course they would post about it. I've heard of other tax protesters and why weren't they extrerminated? Makes you go hmmmm. What about the Posse Comitatus leader who was propagandizing this? Why wasn't he killed and is he still alive? Yes--a conspiracy.
It's time to get out've the Patriot Cointelpro Sect GOVT sponsored Patriot/Radical Groups need DEPROGRAMMING
and learn why the Net is nothing more than CYBER FANTASY for even "patriots." CYBER FANTASY PATRIOTS
BUMP for later reading
Oh really..Send them Revonoors over to me one at a time.... Seriously,never ,ever trust the feds....what whores
Oh really..Send them Revonoors over to me one at a time.... Seriously,never ,ever trust the feds....what whores
First time around for me on this story... Sure explodes the myth of the "land of the free and the home of the brave". The militarization of America has gone virtually unnoticed by the sheeple.
I wonder how Karen Russell Robertson can sleep at nights...
Thread BOOKMARKED!
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This story has just gotten more "personal" with me.
I have been loosely following this since the mid-80's, and most of the information I had prior to the Internet had to do with seeing the made-for-TV movie with Michael Gross in which the FBI goes after "the most dangerous man in America."
In doing more research a few months back, as well as now, I find that this man lived only 20 miles from where I was born and was ambushed 30 miles away. Since this happened during a time in my life when all my North Dakota relatives passed away, there was no one to relate the story to me. It is also possible that my mother went to school with a relative of Mr. Kahl.
I'll be watching this more closely, especially on the heels of something else I found:
Mr. Wilhelm Schmitt, another tax protester who became friends with Yorie Kahl while in prison, had put up a website with lots of links and information on this and many other related issues. His page came online in early April of this year.
Mr. Schmitt is now deceased. His family and friends will continue posting information and answer email in his stead.
From the looks of it, he would have made a helluva Freeper.
http://weschmitt.homepage.com/
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I saw this advertised on the tube tonight.
Excellent!
Hi, do you have anything on the daughter?.
You Can't Fight a Culture War If You Ain't Got Any Culture
"We all know how tax-resistor Gordon Kahl was ambushed, publicly defamed, hunted down, and finally gassed, machinegunned, and incinerated (and where have we heard that before?), while his daughter was found mysteriously shot to death in her car on a lonely country road a year later."
He Had Six kids:
1) Linda b. Oct.1947.
2) Lorna b. June 7, 1951
3) Lonnie b. June 7, 1958
4) Yorie b. August 12, 1959
5) Fred Von b. Oct. 1960
6) Loreen b. 1963
"I got through most of the article, until I got to "Fahmy Malak", which led me to spit coffee all over my keyboard."
Gordan Kahl Chronology
"Medical Examiner Fahmy Malek loses GK's(Gordan Kahl's) body parts."
Thank you once again Uncle Bill, and a bump to your excellent job of speading the word. Coming to grips with the reality of the story of Gordan Kahl can be quite transformational.
You're very welcome! I would like to know what happened to his daughter and the circumstances, etc. (see post #57)
A lot of interesting info on Gordon Kahl. I spent five years researching his life and created a 113 minute documentary. A lot of the information on this forum is coming from my website. For more info you can go there http://www.taoslandandfilm.com/productions.htm Or email me with questions.
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I have read this article on Rense also. Please keep informing us on important matters.
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Wilhelm E. Schmitt's memorial home page has moved to: http://weschmitt.freeyellow.com
Read the 14 page Summary of the Motion Under 28 U.S.C. §2255 To Vacate, Set Aside, Or Correct Sentence and Statement Of FactsRead the 41 page Motion Under 28 U.S.C. §2255 To Vacate, Set Aside, Or Correct SentenceRead the 36 page Statement Of Facts To Supplement Motion Under 28 U.S.C. §2255 To Vacate, Set Aside, Or Correct Sentence
67 Posted on 09/07/2001 09:32:58 PDT by skypod
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To: Rodney King
Funny thing, according to this account, gordan kahl was gunned down right outside his farm house. Now, I lived in Medina at the time of all of this nonsense, and I seem to recall that the "attack" happened outside the home of a family that I babysat for, who most definitely was NOT the Kahl family!!!! This is the funniest account yet that I've read on this...thanks for the giggle :)68 Posted on 11/17/2001 00:22:06 PST by karenm3646
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