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NBC is reporting that Dick Cheney has changed his voter registration from Texas to Wyoming.
Cheney would be a good pick, but I would prefer Chris Cox.
and the reason for this?
That would delight me no end.
I heard somewhere that POTUS and VPOTUS can not be from the same state. Is this true, and if so, why?
Interesting. Cheney would be an outstanding choice. No skeletons, an articulate man who handled Desert Storm well, and a dynamic wife. Even Congressional Democrats have good things to say about him.
He's had some health problems lately, though.
You are correct. Don't know why :~)
Doesn't his health suck?
They can't..
Cheney was a United States congressman from Wyoming and still has a ranch there.
He's lived in Dallas for the past several years.
That's why he changed his voter registration.
If true (which I have my doubts about), Cheney would be a good choice. Legislative experience, foreign affairs experience, well-regarded because of the Gulf War, maturity and gravitas. Not my ideal candidate, but solid and safe.
One reason I question this is the timing. Knowing how much Bush wants to keep this secret, why would Cheney change his registration (which is public record) before the announcement was made? If he were to be selected, there would be plenty of time after the announcement to do this without tipping off anyone in advance.
Is this true, and if so, why?
Not exactly true. The electoral college must cast votes for a President and a Vice-President, at least one of whom is not a resident of the same state as the electoral voter. It was intended to make sure no one state was over-represented, back when states actually had a measure of independence from the federal government.
SORRY! Just a deflection tactic. McCAIN 2000! Agree? NO! WATCH!
That is a great point...........He has handled this process sooooooooo well,so far.........HE IS MY FIRST PICK.......GO CHENEY GO!!!!!!!!!!....Ill keep my fingers crossed....:*)
It will be Hagel.
I heard somewhere that POTUS and VPOTUS can not be from the same state. Is this true, and if so, why?
Close, but not exactly.
POTUS and VPOTUS can be from the same state; the Electoral College electors are prohibited from casting their ballots for a POTUS and VP from the same state. Therefore, if Bush and Cheney did run on the same ticket, and both were from Texas, the Electoral College would have to cast their POTUS ballots for Bush, and their VP ballots for the Democrat or third party candidate. Theoretically, in a close election, you could wind up with a GOP POTUS and Democrat VP.
Prepare for this smart-aleck phrase to be heard from the Left for the next eight years:
"Bush/Dick"
Actually, this only applies to the electors from the state where the candidates are from, in this case, Texas.
Republicans are jazzed and can't wait to vote for Bush. He can only screw this up with his VP choice. He won't help it any. A moderate like Ridge or Pataki would hurt him. Cheney would be a safe choice.
Don't think so
Bush will stun the world by selecting as his running mate either Frank Rizzo, Sal Rosenberg, or Brett Weir.
Frank Rizzo
LOL
I was concerned that Cheney would be the man. I cant help thinking how sad it is that most of you people think this is great news. Cheney is the consumate CFR/NWO insider and sends a direct message from Bush that he is firmly in the pocket of the New World Order/globalist/interventionalist cabal.
Check yourself into the Rubber Room.
I suspect this is another trial balloon, just like Keating was a few weeks ago. I would prefer Cheney to Keating.
I guess you and I should just be happy that boy Dubya didn't pick the UN toadie and KLA apologist John McCain. McCain would overshadow Dubya in the WH and would guarantee a foreign policy which is completely in the pocket of the UN. Cheney, as a Bush Sr. administration insider, is certainly bad news and sets the tone for how Dubya will govern the country (the same old cronyism), let's just hope he doesn't give McCain a prominent cabinet positionn.
"..smart alec phrase to be heard from the left."
Bush/Dick
As opposed to what the right will call (with complete justification) the Gore team:
Dickhead/Dickhead
CHENEY, Richard Bruce, a Representative from Wyoming; born in Lincoln, Lancaster County, Nebr., January 30, 1941; attended public schools in Lincoln and Casper, Wyo.; attended Yale University, 1959-1960; Casper College, Casper, Wyo., 1963; B.A., University of Wyoming, Laramie, 1965; M.A., University of Wyoming, 1966; Ph.D. candidate, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis., 1968; congressional fellow, 1968-1969; special assistant to the Director of OEO, 1969-1970; White House staff assistant, 1971; assistant director, Cost of Living Council, 1971-1973; vice president, Bradley, Woods & Co., 1973-1974; Deputy Assistant to the President, 1974-1975; White House Chief of Staff, 1975-1977; elected as a Republican to the Ninety-sixth and to the five succeeding Congresses and served from January 3, 1979, until his resignation on March 17, 1989, to accept appointment by President George Bush as secretary of defense; minority whip (One Hundred First Congress); is a resident of Casper, Wyo.
Why don't you two get a room?
Must you muck up every thread with Globaloney?
One reason I question this is the timing. Knowing how much Bush wants to keep this secret, why would Cheney change his registration (which is public record) before the announcement was made? If he were to be selected, there would be plenty of time after the announcement to do this without tipping off anyone in advance.
That's an astute observation. It suggests that this may be a deliberate bit of misdirection, to stir up interest and create a firestorm of speculation among the media so that Bush's actual choice will come has a big surprise, thereby getting even more media attention.
Or it could mean that Cheney will be Bush's VP pick. Either way, it's a great public relations move.
It will be McCain or Powell. Mark my words.
This may just be a case of "premature jubilation" designed to keep the chattering class in DC and the media happy! GW may have a surprise up his sleeve. "Changing registration" is a pretty slick way to keep the talking heads talking.
This weekend will be fun!
Bush will stun the world by selecting as his running mate either Frank Rizzo.....
Ya hafta have good fingas, you got good fingas?
I'm fine with Cheney, even though he got a little fat and he has heart probs. I thought Keating was perfect though.
One caveat, anyone know where Cheney stands on Second Amendment and abortion?
Must you muck up every thread with Globaloney?
When the GOP stops filling its ranks with people sympathetic to the UN/IMF agenda, I will be more than happy to stop the "Globaloney."
"Prepare for this smart-aleck phrase to be heard from the Left for the next eight years:
"Bush/Dick"
Not much better than "Bush/Cox"
and the reason for this?
Red herring ... Cheney has heart trouble and this would be used against him by Dems.
Now, if he's doing it so that LYNN CHENEY could garner the job ...
When the GOP stops filling its ranks with people sympathetic to the UN/IMF agenda, I will be more than happy to stop the "Globaloney."
Why don't you just put this on instead, looney tunes.
It will be McCain or Powell. Mark my words
Then God help us, because Powell ain't taking the gig, and the Dems have video tape of McCain at a microphone saying he lied to the American people, compromised his principles in order not to lose votes. Think the criminals that are the Dem party wouldn't use that over and over again??
The MSNBC piece that's linked from Drudge says's the reason is the 12th Amendment. They're wrong though, since the part they're talking about refers to the electors (from the electoral college), not the candidates themselves.
U.S. Constitution, Amendment XII, clause 1
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
Why don't you just put this on instead, looney tunes
Thanks for once against exposing another trait that the pro-UN crowd has in common with the Communists - dismissing the opposition as mentally ill. Memories of Leonid Brezhnev and Co...
"... [Why] must [IllumiNOTi] muck up every thread with Globaloney?"
[Insert 'Fiddler On The Roof' soundtrack here] Traaa-DISH-Schooohn!
Yes, especially for handling hot dogs. I got one of them footlongs!
Thanks for once against exposing another trait that the pro-UN crowd has in common with the Communists - dismissing the opposition as mentally ill.
Only the mentally ill believe that NWO/Globalist/Trilateralist/CFR/Space Aliens lie in wait to pounce on all you innocent Brigadiers!
Only the mentally ill believe that NWO/Globalist/Trilateralist/CFR/Space Aliens lie in wait to pounce on all you innocent Brigadiers
I didn't say anything about the UN crowd "pouncing" on me, I think they have more important things to worry about. On the other hand, perhaps all the name calling is a means of distracting attention from the fact that Dubya has probably appointed one of his daddy's cronies as his #2 man, and the fact that this particular crony (Cheney) was among the most vocal spokesmen for UN-sponsored "peacekeeping" that got us mired in Somalia, Haiti, and Bosnia (all of which Clinton inherited from Bush).
You and me both!
"Cheney is the consumate CFR/NWO insider and sends a direct message from Bush that he is firmly in the pocket of the New World Order/globalist/interventionalist cabal."
You don't understand. For the most part, Bush's supporters no longer feel that American military intervention in far flung places is unconstitutional, improvident, or reckless. On this subject, they are the Roseann Rosanadanas of political opportunism. And if there were a NWO cabal, which of course there is not, then it could hardly be surprising that for them the consent of the governed is like fish in a barrel. Also, please get some rest.
It is you and your ideology, sinkspur, that is the clear and immediate enemy - the very personification of the ideals of those institutions you list in your mocking reply.
One reason I question this is the timing. Knowing how much Bush wants to keep this secret, why would Cheney change his registration (which is public record) before the announcement was made? If he were to be selected, there would be plenty of time after the announcement to do this without tipping off anyone in advance.
True.I hadn't thought of it like that but you do have a point!
Has Lynn held elective office? GWB has said before,that the Vice-President should be one who could be president.He's also said that he wants someone who's held elective office.
Well, Clarence Page doesn't quite understand the USCon prohibits Clinton from being nominated as Gore's Veep, in his dubious reading of Amendment XXV, he totally ignores the last sentence of Amendment XII:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
Amendment XXV makes Clinton, and any other person who has held the job for two terms, whether successively or not, ineligible to be named ANYONE'S Veep.
Liberal newssheep -- no wonder they don't understand the Electoral College either.
He had bypass surgery. He is fine now.
Has Lynn held elective office?
I don't believe so, though I could be wrong -- maybe a local school board or such, but not federal office, never an MOC. But she was Reagan's Director of National Endowment of Humanities (not the creepy Arts folks), has political experience and acumen. She's currently in one of the big, conservative think tanks, (sorry, brain cramp, don't remember which one), but if you've heard Bush say he wants someone with experience with elective office, I'd say that would cancel her out for the Veep.
Just adds to the red herring thing, then.
......True.I hadn't thought of it like that but you do have a point! ......
Also I'm wondering if he isn't fixing to give up his CEO position at Haliburton and go back to his ranch in Wyoming. So he took this opportunity to change his registration and give the media some fodder to keep the dogs at bay for another day or two. Additionally this has knocked McNasty's bid right off the front pages..... It's no longer the topic over the weekend or weekend talk shows..... Just some thoughts.....
Oh, btw Lady, add me in with the "We want Chris Cox" crowd -- articlulate, thoughtful, can speak on his feet, CALIFORNIAN, and was a member of Reagan's Office of Counsel to the President before becoming an MOC. Like that man quite a bit.
You have been sucked in by the socialist media. It aint over til its over,I refuse to be led.Yogi,you were correct.
Keep praying. You may still get Chris Cox. This whole thing was designed to knock down the McCain boomlet under way in the Media. It was just like McCertifiable to pull a stunt like he did this week, and we know that the Bush camp was really upset about it yesterday. Today they fired back with this Friday-news-day smokescreen, and the Media is so stupid that it worked!!! It isn't going to be McCain, for sure and it very probably isn't Cheney, either. Keep praying.
Can't be McLame, GWB said his first two criteria were a MAN that could be PRESIDENT today, and someone who is LOYAL.
BUZZZ! I'm sorry McVain, thank you for playing, and we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
It isn't going to be McCain, for sure and it very probably isn't Cheney,
Connie Mack, I hope.
Read the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Ratified 6/15/1804.
A bump to you.....
Must you muck up every thread with Globaloney?
You're barking up the wrong tree, sinkspur. Go tell it to Kofi. I'm sure he'd love to hear your thoughts on his globaloney.
ANNAN URGES BUSINESS, CIVIL LEADERS TO ACCEPT "GLOBAL COMPACT"
I'm slipping. How did I miss this thread?
For information and discussion purposes:
CHINA TOWN, New Republic, John B. Judis, 3/10/97
"Much of the American foreign policy establishment, including three former secretaries of state and other former senior officials of both parties, turned a collective thumbs down yesterday on the Clinton administration's policy of linking trade with China to Beijing's human rights performance," The Washington Post reported on March 16, 1994. Anyone who read the Post's account, which described a Council on Foreign Relations meeting chaired by former Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and Lawrence Eagleburger, would have come away knowing that a quorum of foreign policy luminaries had offered a grave indictment of U.S. China policy. What they wouldn't know was one particularly relevant fact about those luminaries: namely, that Kissinger, Vance and Eagleburger each have business ties to China. Kissinger is the founder of a firm, Kissinger Associates, which helps its corporate clients secure business in China; Vance is a corporate lawyer who chaperones clients seeking outlets in China; and Eagleburger, once the president of Kissinger Associates, now works for a Washington law firm where he has also helped businessmen secure contracts in China.
Yet this gathering was not in the least unusual. Increasingly, many of our most distinguished and, in theory, disinterested, experts on U.S. China policy are selling their reputations and knowledge to clients with very particular business interests in China. Almost every prominent former government official who speaks out on this subject has direct or indirect financial ties to China. Most of them are Republicans, because a Republican administration first re- established ties with China in 1972, and because Republicans controlled the White House for most of the next twenty years. Besides Kissinger and Eagleburger, they include: former Secretaries of State Alexander Haig and George Shultz, former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney, former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, former U.S. Trade Representatives Carla Hills and Bill Brock, and former Senate Majority Leader Howard Baker. But Democrats have also gotten in on the China game. Besides Vance, there is, for example, former Secretaries of State Edmund Muskie and Warren Christopher, former Ambassador to China Leonard Woodcock, former U.S. Trade Representative Robert Strauss and former Senator Gary Hart.
***SNIP***
I thought of Mack long ago, but hasn't he had health problems? I will keep praying its Chris Cox.
Amendment XII to the U.S. Constitution begins, "The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves;..."
If Bush and Cheney were both from Texas, none of the Texas electors could vote for both of Bush for President and Cheney for Vice President. An elector from Texas who voted for Bush for President would have to vote for someone else for Vice President if Bush's running mate were also from Texas. If an elector from Texas voted for Bush's running mate for Vice President, he would not be allowed to vote for Bush for President. As you can see, that provision would remove the 32 Texas electors from voting for one or the other. Since Cheney was originally from Wyoming, moving back there makes sense if he is to run as Vice President.
It would delight my husband and I, too, who have been thinking of slogans for that particular matchup for weeks! "A Winning Combination" or "You Just Can't Beat..." or "We Couldn't Survive Without Them," There are thousands of great bumper stickers. But I guess sometimes a name alone can eliminate one's candidacy. Alas.
I just wish the Trilluminati Conspiranoids would provide us with a list of the 10 people not involved in the plot to take over the universe.
Connie Mack's wife had cancer, but I'm not aware the he had any health problems. Keep hearing that he doesn't want the job, but that's what they all say.
I got one of them footlongs!
With that, there's no doubt, you swim in a straight line!
Dis they specify "Dick" Cheney?
I'd even be thrilled with Lynn Cheney! *s*
Dick Cheney is NOT a "Good Choice"! He has had two heart attacks, he's virtually unknown to the public, he has no real record the public will respond to. He's a nobody in essence. He's not dynamic. He's not someone that will excite the country about Bush, or rally more people to the Republican side.
Personally I would have liked to see Chris Cox, Fred Thompson, J.C. Watts, or even Keating. Cheney is a terrible choice...
Dick Cheney is NOT a "Good Choice"! He has had two heart attacks, he's virtually unknown to the public, he has no real record the public will respond to. He's a nobody in essence. He's not dynamic. He's not someone that will excite the country about Bush, or rally more people to the Republican side.
Unknown. LOL
I guess if you don't read any newspapers or watch TV he might be unknown.
He was Gerald Ford's Chief of Staff when he was 32yrs old.
Went on to represent Wyoming in the US Congress for 10-12yrs and rose to be the 2nd ranking Republican in the House.
Then became Secretary of Defense! Now if he isn't known I don't know who is.
When George W. was first running, I corresponded with Kay Baily Hutchensen. I had expressed my desire for her to be his running mate, because I believe she is the most honest, articulate Senator we have at this time.
She was kind enough to write back to me personally thanking me, and telling me she would be HONORED to serve with him, however, she could not....BEING FROM THE SAME STATE. So that must be so.
Interesting. Cheney would be an outstanding choice. No skeletons, an articulate man who handled Desert Storm well, and a dynamic wife. Even Congressional Democrats have good things to say about him.
Fine with me. A hell of a lot better than some idiot like McCain.
He's had some health problems lately, though.
So have I. Are you saying that those of us who have had health problems, which are now controlled by the greatest health care system in the world, should give up any hope of further service to our country? What about the Americans with Disabilities Act?
I mean that the troglydites that make up the "teeming masses" don't know who he is. He is not photogenic. He is a "white guy". He brings foriegn policy experience to the table, and has worked in other administrations, but no one in the "hinterlands" knows that.
Bush needs to pick someone who is recognizable, like a Colin Powell, or, I hate to say it (because I don't like him) a John McCain. Even Keating or Fred Thompson are more recognizable to the public (Thompson's been in a number of movies).
Like it or not, for Bush's campaign to stay energized, and for him to stay on top in the polls, he needs to pick someone who will make him look good, someone who is photogenic and has a presence on T.V. (Ross Perot made this mistake with his V.P. pick - the man had outstanding credentials but his sole crime was that he was *bad on television*). He needs someone who has some personality. He needs someone who will help electrify the public in some way.
Cheney is none of the above. He has the resume, but he's been out of the public eye for years. None of the knuckle-dragging mouthbreathers know who he is. He has health problems. He isn't photogenic and doesn't have the presence needed. Bush needs something else, somebody different.
I make this prediction right now. If he picks Cheney, he's going to *lose*. I promise you that. And Algore will pander to the minorities and pick a Mexican, a woman, or a black as his V.P. because Bush will have shown his hand first. And then they'll beat the piss out of Bush and the Republicans for picking "two white males".
Mark my words. Cheney is the running mate, Bush loses.
You're a punk boy.
That was an intelligent response.
You're right. It was a lousy reply and I apologize
"I apologize"
Are you allright? Health problems? :)
I don't know why you seem surprised, I'm not familiar with "FreedomWins" but they were big enough to apologize. Accepted. End of story.
Cheney's little antics (changing his voter registration, going for a medical check-up) are the stuff of which red herrings are made.
The best VEEPICKS are, in my own order: Powell, McCain or a surprise candidate who is being kept under wraps - - a business leader such as Bill Gates or someone of equivalent stature (remember how McCain said he might shake up the establishment by choosing someone like Jeff Bezos as his running mate?).
Re the above, I take General Powell at his word; I don't think he'd accept the idea of running for election, but he would accept an appointment of some kind.
So... wait for Cheney's doctor to give him the appropriate 'Guiliani' exit line (3 recent heart attacks; age factor; general health factors, etc., etc., for a graceful retreat)...
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