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ALL THE PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS
Foster planned date with wife
File on White House lawyer's computer had engagement, not suicide on agenda
By Paul Sperry
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.comLending credence to complaints of a botched investigation, Former Special Counsel Robert Fiske never seized nor even tried to seize Vincent Foster's computer as evidence after the deputy White House counsel died unexpectedly in 1993, WorldNetDaily has learned.
As a result, Foster's hard drive became a hot potato inside the White House, bouncing from one official's hands to another's -- breaking the chain of custody over and over, before finally, last week, ending up where it has belonged all along -- in the hands of investigators, according to former White House officials who are finally talking publicly about what they know about the Foster case.
Only now are agents for the latest independent counsel, Robert Ray, trying to look at all the files, deleted and undeleted, on what appears to be Foster's hard drive. They're also trying to interview former White House officials who handled the drive, including Jim "Mack" MacDonald, the computer division chief whose story has gone untold -- until now.
Ray has yet to rule on Whitewater and the alleged obstruction part of the Foster case. He will give a summary of his findings on the first couple's shady Ozark investment and the Foster aspect "within the next couple of weeks," said Keith Ausbrook, a senior counsel in Ray's office here. He said the investigation at this point is "still open."
Foster handled the first couple's Whitewater tax returns just before he died, calling it a "can of worms." Top aides for both Clintons frantically searched his office the night he died. One took an armful of file folders to the first lady's office, a uniformed Secret Service agent has testified.
One of the computer files reveals that Foster and his wife planned to go out the same night he was found dead in Fort Marcy Park, according to a White House whistleblower who has read the file and recently turned over evidence to Ray under subpoena. The former computer specialist is scheduled to testify about Foster before a federal grand jury on Thursday.
Critics of the handling of the Foster investigation say the initial failure to secure and search Foster's computer further undercuts claims that the circumstances surrounding his shocking death were thoroughly investigated.
"It doesn't surprise me at all, because he (Fiske) didn't do an investigation," said Accuracy in Media Chairman Reed Irvine.
He points to a Wall Street Journal article suggesting Fiske was ready to rubberstamp the U.S. Park Police's findings in the Spring of 1994 -- before he'd explored all the evidence, judging from subsequent dates of FBI "302" interviews of witnesses and dates of lab work.
Asked about it, Fiske admits he failed to confiscate Foster's computer.
"We did not physically take the computer," Fiske said through a spokeswoman in his New York law firm. "But we had the FBI download all the relevant information from his computer and his secretary's."
Such downloading, however, would have missed any deleted files, computer experts say.
Not until Fiske's successor, Kenneth Starr, took over the investigation in August 1994 -- a year after Foster's death -- did authorities become interested in seizing Foster's computer, MacDonald says. Ray's investigators recently contacted MacDonald at his Los Angeles office.
But Starr, who ruled Foster's death a suicide devoid of foul play, never took possession of the computer.
MacDonald, former director of the White House's Information Systems and Technology division, says FBI agents paid him a visit at his New Executive Office Building office in the summer of 1994.
"It was embarrassing for them to ask (for Foster's computer)," he recalled. "I mean, they had no idea where this thing was."
He says the agents later interviewed him at length about it at FBI headquarters.
"There were a lot of guys in there," MacDonald told WorldNetDaily in an exclusive interview. "And they were pretty embarrassed."
"Why the FBI didn't pick it up originally, I have no damn idea," he said. "It should have been picked up within hours of his death."
MacDonald added: "It was pretty ridiculous to me that the FBI would come back almost a year later. I mean, the chain of custody is corrupted."
An inventory check by MacDonald showed Foster's computer missing at the time. It was supposed to be in his old West Wing office. So agents went away empty-handed.
But that's hardly the end of the story.
Several months later, MacDonald says he stumbled on the central-processing unit, or CPU, of Foster's computer while in a meeting in an office on the 2nd Floor of the Old Executive Office Building.
He says he spotted it on the floor and asked, "Whose PC is that?" No one knew, he says, so he checked it out.
"When I picked it up and looked at the serial number, I about fell over, because it was the Foster serial number we'd been looking for," MacDonald said. "I crossed Pennsylvania Avenue and carried it over to the Data Center on the 4th Floor in the NEOB."
He says he wrapped it in plastic, affixed a label to it -- "FOSTER PC" -- and placed it in a tall, wheeled cabinet on the north wall near the VAX mainframes. He says he then locked the cabinet doors.
"I quarantined it, shrink-wrapped it and put it in the Data Center," MacDonald said. "And I told all my managers what it was, and that it needs to be kept there until someone asks for it."
Why didn't he call the FBI to come pick it up?
He claims that he thought that, by then, the investigation was over, and no one was interested in the computer anymore.
But he admitted that he also was nervous about "finding something I wasn't supposed to find," and crossing Clinton appointees trying to control political damage from scandals. (MacDonald, though a life-long Democrat and Clinton-Gore booster, was a holdover from the Bush White House.)
A White House employee, however, has sworn that MacDonald was more than just nervous.
"After Vincent Foster died, I received a call from Jim MacDonald, who wanted me to meet him outside to go for a ride with him. During that ride, Mr. MacDonald informed me that he had found Vincent Foster's computer," said Howard "Chip" Sparks in a June 19 federal court affidavit. Sparks, a White House computer network specialist, worked for MacDonald.
"In the wake of the mysterious circumstances surrounding Mr. Foster's death, Mr. MacDonald was extremely upset by his discovery," Sparks added. "And he told me that he was concerned that he would be killed because of what he had found."
Asked about it, MacDonald downplayed Sparks' account, insisting: "I didn't think someone would shoot me."
On Aug. 8, MacDonald says he got a call from Larry Bagley, an investigator in Ray's office. Bagley would not comment on the call. Shortly after, MacDonald says he got a call from Jim Wright, White House data center operations branch chief, asking about Foster's CPU.
"Jimmy called me recently, saying, 'Where's that PC?'" MacDonald said.
He says he told Wright, "it's in the Data Center in a locked cabinet in the back of the room, shrink-wrapped, where I left it. It should be there."
But according to another of MacDonald's former employees, that's not the full story. In fact, he's left out critical parts, she says.
Enter Sheryl Hall, another whistleblower from the White House computer division.
She says that, yes, Foster's CPU did migrate from his West Wing office, where it stayed for about six months after he died, to the Old Executive Office Building and then to the New Executive Office Building.
But at that point, Foster's hard drive was removed from the CPU and wound up in MacDonald's office, then in another official's office, before finally ending up in Hall's own home, she now confides.
It was Hall, slapped with a subpoena, who just turned over the hard drive to the independent counsel.
Hall last week also turned over notes -- a pile about an inch thick, she says -- documenting the dates and times Foster's equipment was moved, and the dates and times his office called the computer help desk with requests for technical assistance. Hall was the help-desk branch chief at the time.
MacDonald also says he turned over a copy of the notes, something he says was kept in a three-ring binder. But Hall says MacDonald gave his copy of what she put together for him in the binder to White House lawyers, who apparently never turned it over to Starr's investigators.
"They (Ray's investigators) said they'd never seen it," Hall said. "They were clearly surprised."
Here is Hall's version of what happened.
Shortly after finding Foster's CPU, Hall says MacDonald asked her to tap one of her technicians, Dorothy "Dottie" Crumling, to run a software program to break into some of Foster's password-protected files.
The exercise worked. She says they were able to read one file that revealed Foster and his wife had plans for the night of July 20, 1993 -- the day he was found dead.
"One of the files referred to an engagement to go out that evening with his wife," Hall said.
Later in 1994, Hall says MacDonald had a former White House computer contractor, Mike Saunders, remove the hard drive from Foster's CPU. MacDonald kept it in his office, she says.
"It was on Mack's desk," she said.
Neither Crumling, still in the White House, nor Saunders, who works for McLean, Va.-based PRC Litton Inc., could be reached for comment.
When MacDonald left the White House the next year, he gave the hard drive to Jurg Hochuli, who was the Office of Administration finance director, Hall says.
"Jurg had it on a bookshelf behind his desk," she said.
Hall came into possession of the hard drive after she says MacDonald, who hired her, called her and asked her to pick it up from Hochuli, who transferred to the State Department. He now works there under former top Clinton aide Patsy Thomasson.
"Mack called me from California and told me to get it," Hall said. "I've often wondered why he did it."
Hall took the hard drive home. A few years ago, she says, Starr's investigators interviewed her about the White House phone records. Hall at one time was in charge of the PBX system there, too. And Foster's computer got brought up.
Hall says she later agreed to give senior counsel Jay Apperson half of the hard drive (her husband split up the disks). She held back half of it for "insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr.
Now Ray's office has the whole drive. And Hall has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury.
She says she was granted immunity from prosecution for taking possession of the Foster hard drive in exchange for the evidence and her testimony. She demanded her husband also be granted immunity before she'd cooperate. Don Hall, a computer contractor, took the hard drive apart.
It's not immediately clear, however, if the hard drive is still readable or even Foster's.
If it is Foster's, it may have been erased or "wiped clean." If it has been erased, or reformatted, FBI experts in computer evidence, using special software and hardware, can still recover files from it.
But wiping a hard disk, which involves running a software process that writes a series of 0s and 1s over characters in text files, renders it unreadable.
Ausbrook wouldn't comment on the hard drive other than to say, "We'll go wherever the evidence is. It that's where it is, that's where we'll go."
Pressed to say whether they've come up with any new leads in the Foster case, Ausbrook said: "You'll just have to wait and see what the conclusions are (in Ray's coming statement) on the Foster score."
MacDonald says he doubts that Foster's drive was "scrubbed," or erased, a standard White House procedure when employees leave the White House or move to another desk in the White House.
But if it was scrubbed, it should have first been copied on a back-up cartridge, he says, and stored in the NEOB. Ray's office has asked Hall about it. A federal judge has already subpoenaed any such cartridge for Foster in a $90 million class-action Filegate suit filed by Judicial Watch Inc.
MacDonald, however, speculates investigators won't find a lot of files, deleted or undeleted, on Foster's drive. He says there are signs Foster didn't use his computer much.
He says that when then-PRC contractor Bob Haas, who worked under Saunders, set up Foster's e-mail account in early 1993, he had trouble running a phone line from the wall to the computer on Foster's cluttered desk.
"His PC was buried with paperwork," MacDonald explained, "and Haas had to dig into the paper."
Also, he claims, Foster never used his "All-in-1" e-mail account -- not once.
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Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily.
Sperry is a great journalist. Thanks for the Post.
What a pity. It's a tad late for this. Just imagine the obfuscation the opposing side will come up with.
There's little doubt in my mind that someone from the Clinton camp murdered him before he fessed up. Seeing how the obvious never got much traction with these people, I doubt that this will either. So what if ole bill gets disbarred. He's laughing all the way to the bank with Hollywood money and no prison term. Everyone else had selective recall or was beat up or murdered. They got away with all of it.
Nixon said that the Foster case is the Rosetta Stone of Clinton corruption.
Click on Garner cartoon and go to the WSJ.'s editorial question: Would Anything Change? (under ALGORE) ~ WSJ.
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Dr. Fahmy Malak, Clinton's Arkansas coroner, was once reported to have made the following remark when the decapitated, multiple stab-wound torso of a Clinton opponent who knew too much was brought to his slab for examination:
"Worst Case of Suicide I ever Done Seen."
What ever happened to the illustrious Dr. Malak? He might be a good one to turn state's evidence on the Clintonistas. Is he still around? I kind of miss his funny accent.
This case is closed as tight and as effectively as J.F.K..
Americans, as a whole, could care less about truth in government.
Craig Livingstone went to identify him....wonder what his smamy partner Marceca was doing. and NEVER forget that the body was found around 6 and Clinton was on Larry King LIVE from 9-10....as though he didn't know when all others DID know. Nixon was right.....this case is the Rosetta Stone of the Clinton Corruption.
I really hope the truth about Foster comes out. I'm not exactly superstitious, i.e., adhering to the old folk belief that a murder victim's spirit cannot rest while his murderer is undiscovered, but there is nonetheless something very unsettling about mysterious deaths.
Thanks also for the post.
bump
Sperry may be a journalist, but he might need to check some of his facts before printing them. One of the glaring problems in this piece is the woman who claims she gave half of the hard drive away, after her husband split it up. There is absolutly no way to give somebody "half" of a hard drive without destroying the thing and all the data it contains.
There is another issue about the serial number on the cpu, but this is probably just a nomenclature problem. A CPU is actually a pretty small integrated chip, which would hardly be noticed laying around on the floor. It probably would have been swept up and thrown away. Now the computer case itself is another story.
Nixon?
Hall says she later agreed to give senior counsel Jay Apperson half
of the hard drive (her husband split up the disks). She held
back half of it for
"insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr.
Why isn't anybody in jail for this!??? Isn't this like having half of JFK's missing brain?
Richard M. right before his death.
Bump
be back bump
Hmmmm...
One law for the people and one law for the elite.
If we could enforce the law for everybody,
then the people
responsible for this mess would be in jail.
Where they belong.
The Vince Foster case/coverup should have most of the White House
crowd locked up.
(Just to name one reason...)
btt
How would you like to be the guy who wrote the fake-phony suicide note looking over his shoulder all the time???
Rotting up from his feet first thinking about going to the grave-judgement with this blotch-mark on his soul??
She held back half of it for "insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr.
It's more likely they knew the value of the disk as a future investment. Just like the FBI files. They are too valuable for anyone to destroy (without someone making a copy) in order to protect themselves against incrimination.
Maybe, someone should put out a good cash reward for turning them in. It worked for Larry Flynn.
This, among many others, is why the White House will be devoting its time and energy to the NY senate race rather than the presidential race.
"In the wake of the mysterious circumstances surrounding Mr. Foster's death, Mr. MacDonald was extremely upset by his discovery," Sparks added. "And he told me that he was concerned that he would be killed because of what he had found."
Does anyone need any more evidence of the gangster nature of the Clintaglia Administration? How could MacDonald possibly think that he'd be killed? This is the most ethical administration in history, they haven't killed anyone. Sheryl Hall was right not to trust Kenneth Starr, he actively covered up the murder of Vince Foster. He did spare no effort to uncover blowjobs in the Oral Office, but ignored the intimidation of witnesses, even though he kept Linda Tripp in a safe house for six months.
MacDonald, however, speculates investigators won't find a lot of files, deleted or undeleted, on Foster's drive. He says there are signs Foster didn't use his computer much.
Mr. Robinson;
This story is so full of holes I can't believe it was printed. You and I both know that if a hard drive was opened and split in half, the thing would become useless junk. Even if the case was just cracked, the tolerances are so tight that the disks themselves would be destroyed in a short time.
The quote above leads into a section about how there were indications that he did not use his computer very much, how it was buried in paperwork, and that he had never used the "All-in-One" program. So if all of the above is true, why would he enter the information into his computer regarding a date for that evening with his wife?
I don't know where the reporter got his information, or why he would print this drival, but it is just not right.
All of that said, I want to thank you for what you have done here. It takes a man with a vision to create something as grand as this. It has help me to become a better person in both my own life and in my understanding of others. The "Mr. Robinson" is used as a sign of the utmost respect. Thank you again.
btt
Who would believe anything that MacDonald would say? I even doubt Hall. It is not clear to me that she would give all the info to them, even with immunity.
I knew that Foster did not commit suicide. He would not have planned to meet his wife if he knew he would be dead by then. He would not do that to her.
This administration has been so inept. It is just as Gary Aldrich said.
Bump for the good Mr. Sperry, a real journalist...
You may want to talk to WorldNetDaily.
Jim Robinson didn't write this story.
IF the computer had multiple drives, it's quite possible to "split up" the hard drives. Another possible misconception might be that the hard drive was partitioned, and one of the partitions had been copied onto another hard drive thus "splitting" the hard drive.
You'll have to ask, or wait and find out.
IF the computer had multiple drives, it's quite possible to "split up" the hard drives. Another possible misconception might be that the hard drive was partitioned, and one of the partitions had been copied onto another hard drive thus "splitting" the hard drive.
If she wanted real insurance, she would have made several copies, and given one of those copies to Larry Klayman.
volley bump!
If anyone found out that she had done that before she was forced to come forward, she would likely be dead today.
Yes, but if you read the article, that is not what is described. The article is trash as it is written, and very misleading. It never should have been printed.
I feel like one of those dopes who, when their galavanting spouse has just denied or apologized for their 299th 'indiscretion', says, "Could it be true THIS time? Is he going to do the right thing THIS time?"
Ray's track record has NOT been good. Nothing incriminating on Filegate? Gimmee a break. OTOH here I am hoping again--not because I trust Ray, but because it looks like quite a few courageous folks may have not only information, but evidence. There's a an excellent chance that this evidence has been subpoened ONLY to control it and to assess damage control, but here's hoping that all info within has been widely copied and dispersed. At least any damage-controller will have to worry about who has what...
I don't blame MacDonald for not taking what would certainly have been fatal action on this drive. I think he and the others are to be commended for preserving what they could. It's amusing to think that this radio-active material was sitting right there in the WH for so long right under the noses of such operatives as Patsy Thomasson and Marsha Scott without their having a clue.
I was of the opinion that Vince Foster's hard drive was efficiently destroyed. Must have been an article or comment I read long ago on FR.
This article is so convoluted that I no longer know what to believe. I believe I'll have a beer.
She held back half of it for "insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr. Now Ray's office has the whole drive. And Hall has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury. She says she was granted immunity from prosecution for taking possession of the Foster hard drive in exchange for the evidence and her testimony.
IMO there are still things that will NEVER be allowed to come out about Foster's death--Waco, PROMIS, treason... It's possible there's nothing beyond his date with his wife on this drive. It's also possible there's nothing beyond tainted blood, Whitewater, or the "trust", all things containable only to the Clintons (as long as the trust isn't gone into very deeply). If that's so--and if action is taken on that alone--we could have considerable satisfaction, however incomplete. I do think it's possible to "wipe" selectively, though I'm not saying that has been done here.
There is another issue about the serial number on the cpu, but this is probably just a nomenclature problem. A CPU is actually a pretty small integrated chip, which would hardly be noticed laying around on the floor. It probably would have been swept up and thrown away. Now the computer case itself is another story.
I've known computer professionals to refer to the PC box as a "CPU."
from netlingo.com:
Look for the most powerful microprocessor chip in your computer, and that’ll be the CPU. The Intel Pentium and Motorola 68040 chips, for example, handle the central management functions of a high-powered PC and Mac, respectively. Sometimes the term CPU is used to describe the whole box that contains the chip along with the motherboard, expansion cards, disk drives, power supply, and so on. Both uses are widespread, but only the first is really accurate.
I thought I remembered that too. Something about it's being turned on and then dropped hard. Smashed like our hopes I'm afraid, but I keep on hoping.
Great story, but Bob Ray has already demonstrated that he intends to "see no evil" regarding the Clintons. Otherwise he would hold public hearings to find out why the FBI showed Lisa Foster a "silver colored" gun and told her it was the gun found with her husband's body when the gun actually found with the body was dark blued steel, almost black.
More about Foster HERE
Questions about Foster's computer hard drive have swirled for years. In his 1996 bestselling book Unlimited Access, former White House FBI agent Gary Aldrich revealed that by the time Whitewater investigators finally got around to looking for the drive, it had been deliberately destroyed.
Aldrich related what a computer expert from the White House Information Resources Management Division had told him about how this key piece of Whitewater evidence was lost:
"Foster's computer had been taken out of his office after his death because it wasn't being used, and someone else needed it. But when it was turned on, when someone tried to use it, it wouldn't 'boot up' -- the hard drive wouldn't function....
"The computer repairman didn't know the history of the computer, that it had been Foster's computer, so he simply took the old broken hard drive out and installed a new one. He programmed the new drive and took the old hard drive back to the shop and tossed it into a scrap barrel..... .....
"One of the guys testified about it to Kenneth Starr's group or was interviewed about it; I don't know which. Staff knows about it, but I don't think anyone knows who 'did' the hard drive
"There's only one way I know of to destroy a hard drive. You turn on the computer and order it to perform a function of some kind, and while the hard drive is working to finish the function, you pick up the case and you drop it sharply on the floor, or on some other hard surface. The disk will usually self destruct on impact...."
Judge Orders Search for Vince Foster's Computer Hard Drive
Thanks, Senator P.
Craig Livingstone went to identify him....
Yes, and the most interesting thing about that is Foster's car keys were found in his pants pocket after Livingstone left the morgue.... even though Foster's clothing -- as is customary -- was searched in Ft.Marcy Park before the body was moved, and no keys were found.
It's also possible there's nothing beyond tainted blood, Whitewater, or the "trust", all things containable only to the Clintons
Thanks to the Liddy President Bush put on the problem ... which stayed "contained" through two elections cycles despite the scandal's breaking WIDE open in 1993 (convening of the Krever Commission) and sufficient testimony to track the blood to Arkansas by 1995.
Bloodgate: A New Theory on the Death of Vince Foster
Hmm ... (Linda Tripp Mentions Tainted Blood Issue In Judicial Watch Testimony
breaking WIDE open in 1993
IN CANADA, that is ... The furor has spread around the world -- government ministers convicted (if not punished) in France and actually imprisoned in Japan -- but shows no signs of being touched with a ten foot pole in this country, source of prison plasma throughout the '80's and through 1994 (in worst-case scenario states Louisiana and Arkansas, anyway).
Bttt. I shall return in a bit.
"IMO there are still things that will NEVER be allowed to come out about Foster's death--Waco, PROMIS, treason..."
It appears to be that the ground rules for the two parties include NOT dragging up dead bodies from previous politicians and administrations. They both do assassinations, but there is the need to keep it from getting out of control by both parties.
The question might be --- "Who's the Moderator?" or GodFather.
"MacDonald, though a life-long Democrat and Clinton-Gore booster, was a holdover from the Bush White House"
As I'm sure you both remember, Grabbe reported that a slew of 'Bush holdovers' permeate doj because of monetary constraints, per her reno-ness.
Sal, as I think you probably suspect, somethin' is probably 'up' with this one. It doesn't pass the smell test.
CPU is the desktop case with Serial No. which is tracked in most companies linked to the assigned user, as part of Inventory Control.
Split Hard Drive may have been an attempt to determine if there is erased data on the many platters that make up each disk. Hall's husband may have the tools to do this kind of data recovery himself. He is a computer tech.
They were trying to break into this HD (trying to automatically break password protected files) and took it home, which is a no-no for any real company IT staffer.
Cheers
The Sperry article is a little misleading. The important facts don't relate to his suicide, but to documents that were on his computer (possibly erased docs that were undeleted by the FBI years after the fact) that may provide new evidence for the Whitewater Case against the Clintons.
One of the reasons Foster committd suicide is that those Whitewater legal and tax docuemnts don't make sense and he had to 'fix' them. The evidence may be on Foster's PC.
If you were going to bite the big one, you may want to start deleting incriminating files on your PC first. The FBI recovered them. The fact that a computer novice like Foster would password protect files is interesting. Most people don't bother.
Sheryl Hall is a little nutty. Taking home Foster's HD and trying to break passwords and looking at the platters to restore deleted or damaged data. Giving Half the Drive to OIC Ray? Seems she thought she was Woodward and Berstein or something -- a Deep Throat for the 21st Century.
Cheers
Also, he claims, Foster never used his "All-in-1" e-mail account -- not once.
This is not evidence that he did not use his computer. In 1993 most people didn't have e-mail. It's hard to believe now, but it's true.
"One of the reasons Foster committd suicide is that those Whitewater legal and tax docuemnts don't make sense and he had to 'fix' them. The evidence may be on Foster's PC. "
Foster did not commit suicide. He was murdered.
In order to believe the suicide theory to be valid, one must accept that Vincent Foster placed a .38 revolver into his own mouth and pulled the trigger without getting any of his fingerprints or his blood on the gun or powder or bullet fragments from the gun into the wound.
A short list of FACTS from the OFFICIAL RECORDS.
No blood on the gun. FBI lab report dated May 9th 1994, page 10.
No fingerprints belonging to Vincent Foster on the gun. FBI Memo attached to lab report dated May 9th 1994, page 2.
No powder, which could be matched to the dark blued steel gun, was found in the wounds. FBI lab report dated May 9th 1994, page 8.
No bullet fragments in the wounds. Beyer Autopsy, Gross Description page, next to last paragraph.
I repeat: The claim of suicide requires Vincent Foster to have inserted a .38 revolver into his own mouth and pulled the trigger without getting hi fingerprints or blood on that gun or powder or bullet fragments from that gun in his wounds.
Dr. Beyer's autopsy, on which every claim of suicide has been based, has been utterly destroyed by the discovery of the official report of Dr. Haut, the M.E. that examined Vincent Foster at Fort Marcy Park. This report was uncovered at the National Archives during a document search by Hugh Sprunt, Hughie2U, and Patrick Knowlton. While part of the official records of the Foster case, Dr. Haut's report was notably absent from the report published by the Senate Banking Committee.
Dr. Haut reconfirmed the report to Reed Irvine of "Accuracy In Media" and in that report, confirms the presence of a gunshot wound exiting Vincent Foster's neck. This corroborates the sworn deposition of EMS technician Richard Arthur who described a gunshot wound along Foster's jaw line under the right ear.
Dr. Beyer did not include that wound in his autopsy report. Indeed, that wound was obliterated by the drastic measure of removing Foster's entire tongue and soft pallet prior to allowing investigators to view the remains, under the excuse that the removal was needed to properly inspect the entrance wound.
Beyer's past history isn't the most reassuring. Indeed he seems to be the Virginia version of the infamous Dr. Fahmy Malek, the Arkansas M.E. who ignored clear evidence of homicide in the deaths of Don Henry and Kevin Ives and in one case ruled that a man who had been beheaded was dead of natural causes.
Beyer himself, in the case of Tommy Burkett, ignored a broken jaw in order to rule that Burkett had killed himself with a gun. Despite having shown the autopsy photos to Burkett's father, Beyer later claimed (as he did with the Foster X-rays) that they had never really existed.
Likewise, in 1989 there was an autopsy on establishing the death of a man named Tim Easley. Mr. Beyer, the coroner, ruled that Easley killed himself by stabbing himself in the chest. He failed to notice a defensive wound on the man's hand. The case was reopened, and, after an outside expert reviewed the case, Easley's girlfriend confessed to murdering him.
In short, Dr. Beyer's consistent performance (indeed his "specialty") appears to be the cover-up of murder by declaration of suicide!
Beyer testified before the Senate Banking Committee Whitewater Hearings on July 29, 1994, specifically stating that there is an "absence of trauma to the jaw." It should be noted that Beyer has therefore committed perjury before the United States Senate.
Scans of Dr. Haut's actual report are available for viewing and download at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/NECK/neck.html
Scans of Dr. Beyer's flawed autopsy are available for viewing and download at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/AUTOPSY/autopsy.html
Then there is the matter of the silver gun.
Vincent Foster was found with a .38 Revolver made by Colt Arms. It was built from parts taken from two other guns, and as a result had two serial numbers. The Frame number was 355055, and according to the records of the Colt Arms company (scanned and available at my website) the gun was manufactured with a standard dark blue, almost black, finish.
In the Park Police record, the gun is describes as black. The accompanying photographs in the Park police report show a black gun. (Also scanned and available at my website.)
The photograph leaked by the White House to ABC-TV also shows a dark gun. Outside of a glint from the camera flash, the gun image is too dark to even detect the manufacturers blue color. One thing is quite clear, and that is that the sharp protruding edges of the gun, where the finish would wear off preferentially, show no signs of wear. Compare the albedo of the gun to Fosters gold ring on his finger, just an inch away.
In all the Fort Marcy Park witnesses, in the Park Police, in the experts at the FBI and ballistics lab, the gun is never described as anything but dark blue or (more often) black.
No connection exists between that gun and Vincent Foster. Not even fingerprints. Not even blood. Even the DNA traces on the gun, while "not inconsistent" with Foster, were more likely to have originated with a black or an Hispanic than a Caucasian.
Despite this, Robert Fiske (the ex-BCCI lawyer) inserted a comment on page 38 of his report on Foster; a statement that Lisa Foster thought the gun found with her husband was one she had brought up from Little Rock, Arkansas.
This statement came from an interview of Lisa Foster conducted by the FBI several months after the murder of Vincent Foster, under the watchful eyes of attorney Jim Hamilton and Fiske's representative on the scene, Roderick Lankler.
In the original FD-302a report of the interview, as well as the handwritten notes (scanned and available at my website), the interviewing FBI agents describe the gun being shown to Lisa Foster as "silver colored", not just once, but several times. The gun is never described as dark blue or black. The FBI agents are not quoting Lisa Foster, they write down THEIR impressions of what is being said and done, and in their own words, "LISA FOSTER believes that the gun found at Fort Marcy Park may be the silver gun, which she brought up with her other belongings when she permanently moved to Washington."
In order for Lisa Foster to believe that the gun presented to her as the Fort Marcy Park gun might be the family silver gun, the gun presented to her as the Fort Marcy Park gun must also be silver. Lisa Foster doesn't have to be a gun expert to know that silver is not black.
From both the FD-302a form (released as part of the first Senate Whitewater hearings) and the handwritten notes (pried loose via Chris Ruddy's FOIA lawsuit), it's clear that Lisa Foster was shown a gun she recognized as the gun she brought up from Little Rock, but it's equally clear that this is not the same gun as that found with Vincent Foster. Black is not silver.
Once found out, this lie generated more lies to try to keep the cover-up in place, including the ludicrous suggestions that Lisa Foster cannot tell silver from black, and that two FBI agents, and two lawyers heard and saw a black gun described as silver in writing and did not request a clarification or (as would be standard procedure) note the gun's serial number to preserve the chain of evidence.
One thing is clear, regardless of just exactly how the FBI's report came to describe a silver gun, it is utterly worthless in connection to the dark blued steel .38 found with Vincent Foster, yet that is precisely how Fiske chose to use it, paraphrasing (minus gun color, of course) Lisa's statement into his report to link the .38 revolver to Vincent Foster.
The Fiske Report, having based its conclusion that Vincent Foster owned the dark blued steel revolver he was found with solely on Lisa Foster's recognition of a silver gun, is invalidated.
The FBI, already in court for evidence tampering in another area of the Vincent Foster affair, manufactured the testimony of Lisa Foster as it was used in the Fiske Report.
This pattern of repeated alterations in evidence and testimony proves the existence of a cover-up, which in turn proves murder.
Scans of the official FBI records regarding the showing of the wrong gun to Lisa Foster are available for viewing and download at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.html
Hmmmm... in those days, if I remember correctly, the "All-in-One" was a VAX based messaging system was used most for inter-office communications. It was not necessarily like our Internet system of today.
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Ok, I'm wrong. Thank you for clearing that up!
You remember correctly. We had it at the Savannah River Site.
The VAX is a particular family of mini-computers mfg'd by Digital Equipment Corp. It used mostly vt100 (dumb) terminals, but PC's could be networked in. The "All-in-One" messaging package could store the data files on the "mainframe" or the PC and/or both. In the case of a big office probably both. The backup system would probably backup the mainframe, but not necessarily the PC's.
VAX? Hmmm... Promis...
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"In the wake of the mysterious circumstances surrounding Mr. Foster's death, Mr. MacDonald was extremely upset by his discovery," Sparks added. "And he told me that he was concerned that he would be killed because of what he had found."
Asked about it, MacDonald downplayed Sparks' account, insisting: "I didn't think someone would shoot me."
What he means is that Clinton's victims are more likely to die in a plane crash.
My God.
This group of communist criminals isn't worth crossing the street to piss on if they are on fire.
'Mack' is a friggin' liar and I don't believe a word he says.
If algorenochio gets elected he will cover for all these communist-criminals with his own sad DOJ and Atty General. I won't be coming back to the states very often if he does...
Hard to believe that e-mail is still a 'baby'.
It concerns me that Foster may have had plans to go out with his wife the day he was killed (or comitted suicide, not) and it really CONCERNS me that people knew about this information and did not report it immediately. People are genuinely afraid of the clintons. For real. America sure seems different with these slimeballs leading our nation. As a child-I don't remember ever thinking I would be alarmed or concerned about my own president willing to do harm to innocent citizens anywhere, much less myself. I can hardly wait for them to get out of our White House.
"This group of communist criminals isn't worth crossing the street to piss on if they are on fire."
They are if you've been drinking kerosene. I have it on good authority from the NTSB that the stuff is explosive as all get out!
I'm still hoping and praying.................... Levinworth!
CPU is the desktop case with Serial No. which is tracked in most companies linked to the assigned user, as part of Inventory Control.
I understand that and thought I allowed for it in my earlier post. But it is not technically correct. When I order a computer from a supplier, I specify the CPU that I want, but I can change it later if I need to. The terms "case" or even "computer" would have been a better choice of words.
Split Hard Drive may have been an attempt to determine if there is erased data on the many platters that make up each disk. Hall's husband may have the tools to do this kind of data recovery himself. He is a computer tech.
Again a really interesting choice of words in the article. If they had recovered files from the hard drive, they would have given half of the files to the investigator, not half of the drive. Which would of course meant that they were withholding evidence in a crimminal investigation. On the other hand, they could have given all of the files over, and retained copies for their own security. No one keeps "half" of a hard drive without destroying it.
They were trying to break into this HD (trying to automatically break password protected files) and took it home, which is a no-no for any real company IT staffer
But this was not a regular event in normal day for the IT staffers. A possible murder was committed, and there was a possibility that files existed that could comprimise the United States on that computer. Suddenly, a "NO-NO" becomes a must do. Keeping in ind also that the rules are different for the players on that level. They are not your normal run of the mill IT staffers.
My main point on this is that words mean something,and the reporter either intentionally mislead, or was intentionally mislead while he was witing this story. Which ever event occurred, he needs to go back and rexamine jst what happened and why.
Stay safe and well.
Hey Girl, what say you....This drives me nuts, when will it end
"Why didn't he call the FBI to come pick it up?
He claims that he thought that, by then, the investigation was over, and no one was interested in the computer anymore.
But he admitted that he also was nervous about "finding something I wasn't supposed to find," and crossing Clinton appointees trying to control political damage from scandals. (MacDonald, though a life-long Democrat and Clinton-Gore booster, was a holdover from the Bush White House.)"
IMHO, this tells reams more concerning the lack of ethical behavior of this Administration than anything else. Irregardless, of who is responsible for the death of Foster, a very damning indictment is made by this White House culture which promotes fear in the hearts of its staff to simply report the truth in an issue regarding an obvious investigation into a criminal investigation or suspected criminal affair.
I don't doubt defense lawyers can present a defense.
The damning evidence, IMHO, also glares from the culture of FEAR promoted by this Administration.
If those closest to the offices in which the event occurred, and the offices also house the Chief Law enforcement officer of the land, then one can only surmise the lack of respect for law at the lowest levels of government which will breed from this contagion.
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he did not use his computer very much, how it was buried in paperwork, and that he had never used the "All-in-One" program. So if all of the above is true, why would he enter the information into his computer regarding a date for that evening with his wife?
This caught my eye too. I use my computer for alot of things and never enter day to day events in it.
Hall says she later agreed to give senior counsel Jay Apperson half of the hard drive (her husband split up the disks). She held back half of it for "insurance," saying she didn't trust Starr.
It sounds like her husband or someone copied files to floppies and gave half of the floppies. If that's it, it would be better to say she gave Apperson half of the files from the hard drive.
Re# 67)etc.) Maybe"wife" (wife's name) was originally 'another' name/person for a dinner date..?? Maybe?? Yes/No ??
Good question, carlo3b! Thank you so much for the post!!!
Most of the speculation on who killed Foster says the Israeli Mossd. He had sold lots of US secrets to Israel, and had been paid big bucks. When he found his offshore bank account was cleaned out, he knew something big was up and was real nervous. However, with the clinton's record of removing people that might cause them problems...Foster could be one on Clinton Body count list.
Half an hard drive? Did she keep the ones and give the zeroes to the investigators?
Amazing article.
So Hall took the hard drive home and hubby split it in half.
How convenient.
> Shortly after finding Foster's CPU, Hall says MacDonald asked her to tap one of her technicians, Dorothy "Dottie" Crumling, to run a software program to break into some of Foster's password-protected files.
Oh, my! The tainted blood files were password-protected. Dottie Crumling, what can you tell us?
The Foster "gun" story put out by the FBI and Park Police makes no sense and withstands no objective analysis. It was supposed to be his gun. Had it for years. He was supposed to have used it to check out of the Clinton Roach Motel, yet it had no fingerprints whatsoever from Foster.
You try owning a gun for years and never getting a fingerprint on it, much less use one and avoid that fact.
No, the objective conclusion is that the gun was wiped clean.
That the FBI reports contradict (drasticly) the description of the gun in question further throws doubt on the official explanation.
Then the fellow had a date with his wife the night he was alledged to have checked out?!
For being a bunch of anti-gunners, Clinton folks never seem to be under-armed, too.
> I was of the opinion that Vince Foster's hard drive was efficiently destroyed.
Perhaps you are thinking of his secretary, Deborah Gorman's machine. That disappeared soon after Foster's death. It had password-word protected tainted blood files on it. I am assuming -- or just hoping? -- those files may still be accessible on Foster's HD.
Aren't you glad I helped get Hildy to stay?
Hildy, my post making fun of the concept of leaving WAS directed at you a little, in the effort to get you to stay. That's why I flagged you on that post. Sometimes, like the song says, "you gotta be cruel to be kind".
Whatever, so long as Hildy, sweet and intelligent, demure and sensible Hildy stays and graces our forum, I don't care how it was achieved. HUG
But what does that really solve, giving half the files away and keeping the others for insurance? That sounds like obstruction of justice by with holding evidence. Better to just make a complete copy of the disk to another drive. Further, what good is this type of "insurance" if no one knows you have it.
I just read this article yesterday without reading the freeper comments, but in searching for it to provide the link to Farah's commentary I could'nt help noticing your #57. If you know about Inslaw/PROMIS you might be VERY interested about a man named Danny Casolaro who's "suicide" makes Fosters look air tight by comparison and there are connections to both cases. Although- now that I think about it; PROMIS is a Reagan Administration thing and several key people in his administration were involved- namely George Bush so you might not want to go down that road on second thought.
"When will it end"..
It might escalate to a new height if we EVER get to hear from Mrs. Foster. Not a word from her, no interviews, no statements, nothing!
I noticed she kept her distance from the Clintons at Vince's funeral, where I thought it odd that Slick didn't have his loving arms around the poor lady.
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We don't know that...SOMEONE else currently unmentioned may know about it.
I think that via logical deduction that the judicious application of some common sense we've established that this event carries the stench of corruption, either directly or implicitly.
It was good to have the story, flawed as it obviously is, than to be kept like mushrooms.
BTTT!
Welcome, Fred.
Maggie Gallagher - The Tainted Blood Mystery
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When was Linda Tripp in a safe house for six months? I never heard anything of that, and consistently saw clips of her outside her normal residence.
Interesting article
That was in the news at the time. I don't have a source for it.
Do a search for "Data recovery Services" There are firms out there that can recover data from a broken hard drive, even from broken platters within the hard drive.
A hard drive CAN be broken up into separate platters and the platters reassembled into other drives. Of course this requires special equipment and a clean room but if her husband is in that particular field it's very likely he'd have access to them.
The files can be painstakingly reassembled from the fragments on each platter by referring to the FAT on platter 0. The trick after that is determining which platter is which.
But since most of the info being looked for is text or encrypted text, as long as you can recover the fragments of each file and de-encrypt them, you can piece the fragments back into a usable document.
There are companies that make this their entire line of business.
God Save America (Please)
..??..Isn't there supposed to be a court ruling on 'access' to this item (disk/hard drive,etc.) TODAY..?? 9/15/00.
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