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The FBI and DOJ referred to suspects in the OKC bombing case as “others unknown”.
But in fact there were “others known” to the FBI who were criminally involved in the OKC bombing. To this day, the FBI has not brought these “others known” to the FBI off the streets to protect Americans from further terrorist acts. The FBI has aggressively withheld from the courts and the public who these “others” are.
By early May 1995, the FBI sent out a memo to FBI offices telling FBI agents to stop looking any further for John Does. I have a copy of the FBI memo that was posted on the internet and made public.
The FBI used an artist, Jeanne Boylan, to draw some sketches of the John Does the FBI made public and wanted you to see and know about. But the FBI deliberately withheld from the courts and the public photographic evidence and sketches of other suspects in the bombing that the FBI knew were very credible but that the FBI did not and still does not want you to know about.
In many instances, the FBI even deliberately avoided having sketches made of other suspects the FBI knew were involved in the bombing. But withholding and not having sketches made was not done by the FBI to keep the suspects from knowing they were suspects. This is borne out by eyewitnesses who were threatened by the FBI and by the fact that the FBI still has not tried to go after these same suspects.
Jeanne Boylan recently had her book, “Portraits of Guilt”, published about the OKC bombing including other famous cases. In her book, Boylan states that the FBI decided not to have a sketch made of a John Doe seen with McVeigh by a reliable witness at a post office near the Murrah Building because doing so “would help the defense case”.
Boylan says the witness, a postal worker gave descriptions of the John Doe that were very consistent with descriptions given Boylan by another postal worker, Debbie Nakanashi. Boylan says she made a sketch of Nakanashi’s John Doe after a six hour interview. But the FBI and and Boylan have not released the sketch to this very day and it is not included in her book with her other sketches.
Yet, Boylan states she saw a military photograph of McVeigh with a John Doe she says had the same height, weight, age, build, and facial characteristics as described to Boylan and shown in the sketch she made with Nakanashi. Boylan relates that she saw the military photo at an FBI command post in Kansas and was strongly discouraged from pursuing the matter by the FBI.
Nakanashi was threatened with loss of her job by the postal service and others in the Federal government if she testified too fully about her knowledge to the Oklahoma County Jury investigating the bombing in 1998. Nakanashi’s account of the threats were broadcast by KTOK radio news in Oklahoma City within a few days after the threats were made.
In a Federal preliminary hearing held on April 27, 1995, FBI agent Jon Hersley, described photographs obtained by the FBI showing a John Doe riding in a Mercury Marquee near the Murrah Building with McVeigh moments before the bomb went off.
Hersley stated the photos supported the story of an eyewitness, Gary Lewis, who worked at the Journal Record Building across the street from the Murrah Building. Lewis had seen the John Doe and McVeigh at very close range when they drove past him. Yet, no Boylan or other sketch was either made or released of the John Doe seen by Gary Lewis, an eyewitness the FBI had testified was very credible. Were the FBI photos described by Hersley so detailed that a sketch from Lewis was not necessary? If so, why have we not seen the photos to this day? Is the FBI hiding something??
I have a copy of Hersley’s sworn testimony before Federal Judge Howland at the preliminary hearing in El Reno on April 27, 1995. It is damning and incriminating against the FBI . It is a smoking gun in this case based on the opinions of other experts I have had review it.
Hersley also testified about many other witnesses that saw McVeigh with John Does in circumstances that clearly showed the John Does were not innocent bystanders, but were active participants. Hersley represented to the court that these witness were reliable enough to bind McVeigh over for trial. If these witnesses were that reliable, then they should be believed about their seeing John Does with McVeigh as stated by Hersley.
Once again either Boylan was not asked to make John Doe sketches with the witnesses described at the preliminary hearing, or if she did make their sketches, the sketches have never been released. She was at the FBI command post in OKC and on call to make sketches anytime the FBI wanted her to do so.
Here is a list and brief discussion of some of the eyewitnesses who saw John Does with McVeigh and were interviewed by the FBI. Boylan either did not make sketches of these John Does (even though the FBI could have asked her to do so) or if she did, they have never been released.
Dr. Paul Heath worked in the VA office in the Murrah Building and spoke at length with McVeigh and two John Does at his office on a Friday around April 7, 1995. I have a taped interview with Heath who claimed the FBI threatened to ruin his reputation over his story. Heath described one John Doe as similar to Michael Fortier and the other John Doe as having unusually colored skin, possibly that of a Middle Eastern or Indian man. Heath expressed strong fears and cried because he told me he thought the bombing was an act of international terrorism because of how the second John Doe looked to him.
Mike Moroz and his partner at Johnny’s Tire Store near the Murrah building spoke with McVeigh and saw a John Doe in the Ryder truck about 30 minutes before the bombing. Hersely described the Moroz sightings at the preliminary hearing.
Danny Wilkerson spoke with McVeigh and saw a John Doe in the Ryder truck about 20 minutes before the bombing at the Regency Towers snack shop near the Murrah Building. Wilkerson said the FBI tried repeatedly to coerce him into changing his story and even showed him fake or incomplete Ryder truck brochures. Wilkerson told me his story when he was dying of lung cancer. His story was not presented in any of the trials.
Two janitors saw McVeigh with a John Doe in the Murrah Building between 5pm and 6 pm. on April 18,1995. I interviewed the boss of the janitors who told me the FBI had interviewed the janitors. The boss further told me that the FBI told him that McVeigh had been seen in the Murrah building a week or so earlier with a John Doe and that they were both wearing janitorial smocks they obtained from a third floor closet. Hersley referred to the story of the janitors in his preliminary hearing testimony.
The lady who had been the operator of the day care center was Danielle Hunt. Her husband Tom Hunt was head of the Federal Protective Services for the Murrah Building. The Hunts told me in December 1995 that McVeigh had spoken to Danielle at the day care center in December 1994. She was withdrawn as a witness at the McVeigh trial. She and her husband told me they had suspected the FBI had been tipped to stay out of the Murrah Building the day of the bombing even though their offices were at a different location. They told me FBI agents came to the Murrah building almost every day by 9am, the time of the blast, and sometimes dropped of children at the day care center. The FBI agents did not show up inside the building on April 19, 1995.
While Danielle did not say she saw McVeigh with a John Doe, three Army recruiters who worked at the Murrah Building saw McVeigh with a John Doe in the elevator and in the parking garage near the day care center in December 1994 ( the same day it is believed). On April 22, 1995 , the Army and FBI specifically threatened the recruiters with court martial if they spoke about seeing McVeigh with a John Doe. I know two award winning journalists who interviewed one of the recruiters. One of the journalists worked for the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is an expert on military affairs. The names of the recruiters will not be given here to protect them.
Joe and Jeanie Royer lived in an apartment complex in Oklahoma City. They were interviewed by the FBI after a late model Brown Chevy truck repainted yellow was dropped off at their apartments by a Middle Eastern male. The Royers were told by the FBI that the truck was the same truck that was driven in front of the Murrah Building by two Middle Eastern males described in the FBI all points bulletin. The Royers said a group of three to four Middle Eastern males living at their apartment complex abruptly left the morning of the bombing without paying their rent.
Morris Kuper saw McVeigh walking with a Middle Eastern looking John Doe. They walked to the Mercury Marquee in an above ground parking lot. Kuper had been interviewed by the FBI and he testified under oath at the Nichols trial and gave a detailed description of the John Doe. He has identified the John Doe from a photo lineup conducted by a reporter. His John Doe looks like one of a group of Middle Eastern suspects.
There are 21 sworn affidavits of eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh with seven Middle Eastern John Does who helped McVeigh in Oklahoma City on April 18 and 19,1995. From 1996 until February 1999, the FBI and Federal prosecutors refused to accept these affidavits by saying that receiving them would compromise the prosecution’s case and help the defense case. FBI agent Dan Vogel finally accepted the affidavits in February 1999 after I went to the Senate Intelligence Committee to put pressure on the FBI to receive the affidavits. It is believed these Middle Eastern John Does are connected to a cell near Dallas, Texas known to the FBI and operated by Bin Laden and perhaps Abu Nidal.
Dave McCurdy, the former Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee wrote an article published in the Oklahoma Gazette in May 1995 in which he states he was told by the FBI that a local Middle Eastern terrorist cell connected to Hamas was believed to have been involved in the OKC bombing. He claimed that the FBI had shown him training films of the terrorist cell.
According to sworn affidavits and a news conference in December 1998, Lana Tyree, a local attorney and Congressman Ernest Istook told deputy sheriffs Don Hammons and David Kochendorfer on the night of April 19, 1995 that the government had knowledge of a credible threat against the Murrah Building from a local Middle Eastern terrorist group on April 9, 1995 and that they ”blew it”. FBI agent James Carlysle tried to intimidate Kochendoerfer and vowed to write his FBI interview report to reflect a different story than the one Kochendorfer insisted was correct. Carlysle tried to intimidate other witnesses in this case and is believed to have falsified his interview reports.
Herb Johnson was the Chief of Staff and closest advisor for Senator James Inhofe. Johnson wrote and signed a letter which was provided to an attorney and a reporter. The letter stated that a member of the FBI command post in OKC told Johnson that the DOJ was worried and upset because reporters had learned of the Middle Eastern involvement in the OKC bombing and were concerned how they were going to cover it up. I told Inhofe personally about the letter in January 1999. To this date, Inhofe has not conducted an adequate investigation or prosecution relating to Johnson’s allegations. Inhofe is on the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees.
FBI agent Floyd Zimms deliberately gave out false information from the FBI command post about the getaway car of Middle Eastern suspects to OKC police officer Don Browning. This false information contributed to the escape of the suspects who were being detained in Dallas. Zimms actually told the police officer that the information was false and told him not to talk about it.
Jane Thomas, an employee of the OKC bombing museum, told me that FBI agents had told her that the FBI knew of Middle Eastern men involved in the bombing but that the FBI could not go after them without jeopardizing the lives of FBI informants and operatives in Middle Eastern cells.
There is one FBI informant who worked for the FBI six years out of Sacramento, set up terrorist cells throughout the US for Bin Laden and is believed to have helped in the OKC bombing. The FBI operative was Ali Mohammed who was indicted in early 1999 for the World Trade Center and Kenyan and Tanzanian bombings and for setting up these terrorist cells in the US. When arrested, Ali had on his possession US intelligence manuals and documents concerning hiding explosives in public buildings. The source for this information on Ali comes from December 1998 articles in the New York Times.
Jeff Davis delivered Chinese food to McVeigh’s room 25 of the Dreamland motel in Kansas on April 15, 1995 to a John Doe. McVeigh is believed to have been in Oklahoma City at the time with a primary Middle Eastern suspect in the bombing. FBI sketch artist Boylan met with Davis and made a sketch of the John Doe in room 25. This sketch is now in her book and was shown once on ABC national news on April 17,1996. Until Boylan’s book came out, the sketch had not been publicly circulated.
Jeff Davis was brought to Oklahoma City by the FBI for a lineup to see if he could or would identify McVeigh. Davis refused to pick McVeigh out of the FBI lineup according to Hersley’s testimony at the preliminary hearing. Davis had insisted McVeigh was not in the room 25 and that the man he saw was a John Doe who was definitely not McVeigh. Davis complained on ABC, national news shows and to reporters that the FBI repeatedly tried to coerce him to change his story. The FBI had wanted Davis to say he had seen McVeigh and not the John Doe in room 25.
I know a reporter who interviewed Jeff Davis at length and the interview was aired April 19, 1996 on NBC national news. Jeff Davis insisted in the interview to the reporter that he had never seen McVeigh at any time.
Unfortunately, Boylan now says in her book that Davis saw McVeigh in room 25 of the Dreamland sitting in the middle of the room on a bed. Boylan’s account is suspect for a number of reasons. Her account contradicts everything Davis has said publicly and to the FBI during the FBI lineup.
It is believed that the FBI may not want the public to know that McVeigh was not in the room but instead was in Oklahoma City at the time with a Middle Eastern suspect. Is it possible the FBI misled or instructed Boylan to give a false account of what Jeff Davis saw in room 25 of the Dreamland?
According to Boylan, her FBI handler was Danny Couson who had instructed her not to produce a John Doe sketch with one of the postal workers so as not to help the defense case. Coulson’s book, “No Heroes”, came out in March 1998 and was published by Pocket Books, the same publisher for Boylan’s book. There are paragraphs in Coulson’s book that strongly remind one of paragraphs in Boylan’s book.
Coulson left the FBI after he and Larry Potts came under investigation for their roles in the Ruby Ridge case. Potts was in charge of the OKC bombing case for a short time before being made Freeh’s Deputy and before later leaving under suspicion for his handling of Ruby Rdge. Coulson’s book gives his version of Ruby Ridge and some info about the OKC bombing. I met and spoke with Coulson and have read his book. I found him to have contempt for Congress, to be self-serving and not to be trusted. His influence over Boylan is a concern.
Were any of the John Does FBI agents, informants or operatives?
Would the FBI pursuing the “others known” to the FBI reveal FBI foreknowledge and failed operations prior to the bombing?
There is one more John Doe known to the FBI who knew McVeigh. He is a German national, Andreas Strassmeyer, who worked at Eloheim City, an FBI operation in Oklahoma connected to McVeigh and the bombing. Strassmeyer worked for Colonel Petrusky, who worked for Evergreen, a CIA front company. “Andy” was recruited during discussions held by Louis Freeh with the German government in 1993 to do deep cover FBI intelligence operations in the US according to Stephens Jones, McVeigh’s defense attorney. Jones claims that one of the US prosecutors, Beth Wilkinson, discussed the story about Strassmeyer and Freeh with Jones.
Soldier of Fortune Magazine published INS documents in December 1997 that indicate FBI agent John Hippard may have helped Strassmeyer avoid questioning and possible arrest by the INS shortly after the bombing, thereby allowing him time to escape back to Germany.
"...But in fact there were “others known” to the FBI who were criminally involved in the OKC bombing..."
McVeigh's government handlers?
From the book I read by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard - "The Secret Life of Bill CLinton", he thinks John Doe was Michael Brescia. Brescia was with McVeigh and Nichols at several times. Brescia was part of ELoheim City as well.
Brescia is in jail now on seperate crimes. Armed Robbery.
Bill Clinton joked with reporters on Air Force One that the OKC bombing was the greatest thing that happened to his domestic terrorism agenda, which had been stalled in congress up until the Murrah blast.
The FBI has a long history of manufacturing both enemies and incidents to suit its purposes. Shortly after the bombing of the World Trade Towers, the New York Times ran a story that one of the bombers was an FBI informant, and that when he asked for FBI permission to sabotage the bomb so that it could not explode, he was told to leave it exactly as it was!
With regard to the OKC bombing, there are too many problems with the official story for it to be believed. CNN reported bombs inside the building itself, and the acoustic data clearly shows a high frequency impulse consistant with a cutter charge preceding the main truck bomb blast by 4.3 seconds. Tests conducted at the US Government's Eglin weapons lab, intending to prove that a Ryder truck full of ANFO could bring the Murrah building down wound up proving exactly the opposite. It couldn't be done.
Witnesses reported not just one, but two different Ryder trucks in the area, one rather worn and shabby and one with new paint. Photos taken over camp Gruber Boggs (located half way from Elohim City, operated by a known FBI informant, and Oklahoma City) just weeks before the Murrah bombing show a clandestine camp with a Ryder truck in it.
The morning of the blast, a bomb disposal crew was doing a "training exercise" in the basement parking garage. Workers at the Murrah building said that it was the only time such an exercise had been conducted in the garage.
Edye Smith, who lost two children in the daycare center, blurted out on CNN that no BATF agents had been in the building when the bomb went off, having been warned the previous day not to come to work. Edye was immediatly subjected to harassment by various government agencies, and a senior BATF agent stepped forward to claim that not only had he been in the building, but had been trapped in an elevator that plunged several floors. This story was eventually exposed as a lie when the elevator was inspected and found to have all mechanisms still intact.
A firefighter who had helped with the aftermath of the blast and who also spoke publicly about the absence of BATF in the building was later found dead with multiple slashes to both wrists and a gunshot wound to the back of his head. Although he had told friends he was afraid for his life, his death was ruled a suicide.
Dr. Richard Chumley, while proving first aid to survivors of the blast, was approached by two obviously uninjured BATF agents who requested that he put bandages on them. Dr. Chumley refused and publicly complained when the same BATF agents attempted to get another doctor to do the phony banages. Shortly thereafter, Dr. Chumley died when his private plane crashed on takeoff.
In hindsight, the pattern is all too obvious.
So, is McVeigh a political prisoner, patsy, or terrorist?
The maddening focus by the left on murderers executed when there were innocent people murdered with the complicity of our own government in Oklahoma City and of course WACO. I believe the information is that the World Trade Center bombers were being watched and probably infiltrated by the FBI. The man who gave the orders to cease monitoring the WTC bombers is now the head of the State Police in New Jersey, hired by Christie Whitman.
"Brescia was part of ELoheim City as well. "
Elohim City figures quite prominently in the OKC saga, and during the trial of Carol Howe, apparently in an effort to silence her claims that she had personally alerted the government to the bombing, it was revealed that the man who founded and ran Elohim City was an FBI informant!
I believe the Ambrose Evans Pritchard book is the best book written on the crimes of the Clinton's.
"So, is McVeigh a political prisoner, patsy, or terrorist?"
Patsy. Fear for his family and the belief he will never actually be executed if he cooperates keeps him silent.
Michael, you forgot we already exposed this photo as a fake... or didn't you forget....
Let's see if you can connect this to the sinking of the Kursk, which we also were obviously responsible for, and the freeing of all those native Hawaiians we are holding prisoner!
Thanks for the post.
"The maddening focus by the left on murderers executed when there were innocent people murdered with the complicity of our own government in Oklahoma City and of course WACO. I believe the information is that the World Trade Center bombers were being watched and probably infiltrated by the FBI. The man who gave the orders to cease monitoring the WTC bombers is now the head of the State Police in New Jersey, hired by Christie Whitman."
That's like the JFK assasination, where the Dallas PD guy in charge of security for both JFK and then Oswald was promoted to POlice Chief after losing both of them, while they guy who let Jack Ruby into the basement to gun Oswald down became Chief of Police in Midlothean, Texas (where witness to the men at the grassy knoll, Lee Bowers, died in a single car accident).
"Michael, you forgot we already exposed this photo as a fake... or didn't you forget...."
You are hallucinating again. Nobody has prpoven the photo a fake. You keep making that claim, along with your usual ad hominem attacks, but proof? Nah. Never happened.
The one thing we did prove using the Terraserver database is that the photo is indeed of Camp Gruber Boggs.
I don't remember any talk about that photo being phony; please give more information. Thanks.
Anyone against abolishing the FBI? They've turned into a secret police/criminal gang. They are an unconstitutional agency. Federal law enforcement must go.
Excellent retalitory retort.
Who are these knuckleheads who suck down every lame gov. excuse & then defend same so inanely & lamely?
"I don't remember any talk about that photo being phony"
That's because the attempt to impune it fell flat on its face.
The shills tried to suggest that if the photo COULD be faked, that this constituted proof that it was faked, and they tried to back it up with a simple cut and paste effort that had so many mistakes in it that it drew laughter.
"Who are these knuckleheads who suck down every lame gov. excuse & then defend same so inanely & lamely?'
People who couldn't get a job at McDonalds, and their unemployment ran out, I guess.
Rev. Millar is the founder and operator of Eloheim City. He was an informant for the FBI and that fact came out in the Carol Howe trial. FBI agent Pete Rickles was criticised by the BATF for hanging Carol out to dry and putting her in a situation where she could have been killed after she came forward with her allegations.
The BATF records which were published clearly show Eloheim City was an FBI operation and the OK highway patrol and BATF had to meet with FBI SAC Ricks anytime they wanted anything done.
Millar's daughter was called by McVeigh shortly before the bombing. MCVeigh asked to speak to Andreas Strassmeyer, a German national, who was an FBI plant and provacateur.
I have talked to Ambrose Pritchard several times and introduced him to Glen Wilburn. While Brecia may have been involved, he was not the only one for sure. There really were John Does 3, 4 and 5 with McVeigh in OKC at the Murrah building on April 19, 1995.
I have worked this case every day for over five years, since the day of the bombing. I go started when the FBI started threatening my wife over what FBI agent wives had told her.
John D. Cash threatened my wife, we taped it and filed charges. The FBI came to my house, threatened me and my wife and strongly defended Cash!!! Cash also threatened a reporter with Newsweek, Leslie Jorgenson, about the same time. I spoke to Leslie and had another reporter that knows Cash call her and interview her.
It has been alleged Cash falsified phone records in the case and tried to plant them with Stephen Jones office. I have copies of the fake phone records and talked to reporters who worked the story. Kathy Wilburn asked Cash to leave her house after Cash had spent over five years off and on in her house.
So, you're saying Mindbender26 is an agent provocateur? That's what I thought several weeks ago.
OK, you've sparked my intrest.
Give me the bottom line - What happened and who did it?
"Federal law enforcement must go"
Shouldn't that read: Federal lawlessness enablement must go?
"So, you're saying Mindbender26 is an agent provocateur? "
It's probably more accurate to say that he aspires to be one someday.
so, is boylan still alive and kickin?
"Give me the bottom line - What happened and who did it?"
Does the phrase "Reichstagg Fire" suggest a possability?
I am not looking to have "Why" answered just yet. I just want to know who are the documented involved players and what they did.
Just the proven facts. A theory has been posted. Show me how it is supported with base facts.
My interest has never waned... not since I saw the people on TV who after the explosions had stopped, started running again and yelling about another bomb.
Then trying to figure out how the person who was supposed to have committed the worst act of terrorism in US history was taken by "Barney Fife" (one lone Perry OK policeman) when the supposed "Terrorist" had a 9mm pistol in his car! It just cannot be!!!
The whole movement toward reconstituting constitutional government through the 1994 election of not only congressional conservatives, but conservatives in CA to a majority was blown to bits by this still highly suspicious bit of intrigue. This event was just as earthshaking in reverse as the 1994 sweep by conservatives across this formerly great nation.
If it's ever possible to ever uncover the truth in our lifetimes it will be a miracle. The Clinton, Clinton & Gore government and all their syncophants were truly frightened until this event occurred. From that moment on... everything has changed and conservatives are who is being referred to on the popular bumper sticker... "Mean People Suck!"
Fear and dread are the two strongest human emotions and are used by evil people to control in a formerly free nation. Sad day in the morning!
Two items come to mind about this thread.
1. The FBI and the current administration have lied enough to make all Americans skeptical and cynical.
2. It is possible, but highly unlikely that McVeigh and Nichols were the only ones directly involved.
5.56mm
To paraphrase Bob Seger; "Sh*t! WE'VE known that for FIVE YEARS!"
Andreas Strassmeir.... son of Gunther Strassmeir, German Sectary of State under Helmut Kohl,... Gunther is known as the architect of German reunification, Andreas was also a Captain in the elite countr-terrorism unit GSG-9, he penetrated targeted "militia, racist, and Neo-Nazi" groups on behalf of German, and Americian Agencies. He said he was in America because he was a civil war buff!
Any comments canivores?
I guess the spooks are taking over now. The OKC coverup is perhaps all done to protect the government's efforts to protect us from more serious weapons that terrorists could use. But the german undercover agent definitely knew about the bombing before it happened. We live in a scary world, the NSA tapping all of our phones, etc. I hear a black helicopter now.
Time for you to write a book!!!!!!!!
He is a German national, Andreas Strassmeyer, who worked at Eloheim City, an FBI operation in Oklahoma connected to McVeigh and the bombing.
Correct spellings are Strassmeier and Elohim City. This is NOT a flame and I usually ignore mispellings, but if somebody wanted to research this further (and there is a lot to research), it's easier with the names spelled right.
they tried to back it up with a simple cut and paste effort that had so many mistakes in it that it drew laughter.
WH basement thumbs
"I am not looking to have "Why" answered just yet. I just want to know who are the documented involved players
and what they did.
Just the proven facts. A theory has been posted. Show me how it is supported with base facts. "
The proven facts are that the BATF knew the night before that the building was going to be blown up and were ordered to stay away via their pagers. BATF agents tried to fake being at tyhe Murrah building with fake bandages and a phony story about being trapped in an elevator.
Tests at the Eglin weapons lab have proven that the Ryder truck full of ANFO could not have brought down that building. Expert analysis by General Benton K. Partin, who headed weapons development for the US government for long enough to know how exposives work has compiled a highly detailed technical analysis showing that additional charges had to be used inside the building to produce the observed result. Acoustic data from the Water Board meeting across the street, plus a lawyer's dictation tape several blocks away confirm that 4.3 seconds before the main truck bomb exploded, there was a high frequency impulse consistant with a cutter charge detonation. This coincides with the statement of a survivor from inside the Murrah bulding, who testified that he felt the building shake first, and had enough time to crawl under his desk before the main truck bomb blast. This also coincides with reports on CNN of additional unexploded bombs found inside the building.
In short, the official story of a "crazed lone nut" bomber able to destroy a building with a truck full of fertilizer is a fiction. That is what the available facts prove.
I'm no spook, nor do I think anybody who posts here is either....the black helicopters are really dark green, just look black from a distance...the "government" has no interest in protecting us...only to advance the socialist ideal... and the individuals who spook? They are useful idiots that just want to get that big retirement, so they will play alone.
Govt: Ah, c'mon, Michael, you get Oklahoma, I get Waco-- let's call it a day.
fellow canine...it's only 8 PM here, you must be back east!
Book hell! It took a movie to get Waco re-opened and still it goes nowhere. Reminds me of that french dude during the French revolution who said... "Audacity, audacity, audacity!"
These things are so mind-blowing that by the time everybody gets over their numbness... all the tracks are well covered and everyone that knows anything is intimidated or eliminated.
Well it's too late baby, it's too late... everybody has moved on and thinks they're gettin rich!
"the black helicopters are really dark green, just look black from a distance".
And you are wrong about spooks posting here as well. Several have been outed, one was sued for slander and requested AND GOT a free government lawyer to defend him on the grounds that his online activity was his official duty.
The government has spent millions of dollars to control the mainstream media. Common sense says they have to do the same to the internet, or there's no oint to controlling the mainstream media at all.
Do a web search on "MOCKINGBIRD".
Lying online for the government has actually become a growth industry, with public relations firms like Hill & Knowlton openly advertisng net-shilling services. For a price, one of their operatives will get online, pretend to be just folks, and argue the agenda that's been paid for. The polite term for it is "grass roots lobbying".
I neglected to thank you for your compelling post. Thank you!
And you are wrong about spooks posting here as well. Several have been outed, one was sued for slander and requested AND GOT a free government lawyer to defend him on the grounds that his online activity was his official duty.
When did that happen?
Great work posting this info. One question:
John D. Cash threatened my wife, we taped it and filed charges. The FBI came to my house, threatened me and my wife and strongly defended Cash!!!
Is this the same Cash who was a reporter in Oklahoma? I seem to recall he did some good work. Didn't A E-Pritchard cite him in Secret Life?
I believe the Ambrose Evans Pritchard book is the best book written on the crimes of the Clinton's.
I read that book when it was first released and I will never look at our government in the same way again. And the spin machine at the White House managed to slime a Washington Bureau Chief... How did that happen? I think it only goes to show us how controled OUR media is by FCC licenses, etc. We get an Americanized version of Pravda. Its quite sad and depresssing and I think I'll go find my meds.
They are black! I've seen them twice. Once, they were no more than 150ft over my house. They have no markings that I could make out. There was no way to identify what country they were from. I saw no numbers anywhere on the craft. As far as I know, even the military must have ID on it somewhere. I saw 3 in formation once, and 4 another time. They looked like Apache gun ships to me. I'm not speculating who they were or what they were up to, but it irks me to hear people pooh poohing the existance of black helo's. Even Rush refers to some people as "black helecopter people" in a disparaging way. Well, THEY ARE REAL.It seems with all the photo's that are out there( there are hundreds), some enterprising newsperson could get a scoop on this. Why do we need aircraft with no markings flying in America? Maybe a 30.06 would bring one down and we could all get a good look at the thing. Kinda like gettin a Sasquach. Course with my luck, it would have dark grey numbers on black paint, and I would have shot down some covert ops bird sending poisoned dope to Cuba or something.
In short, the official story of a "crazed lone nut" bomber able to destroy a building with a truck full of fertilizer is a fiction. That is what the available facts prove.
One of my high school friends is married to an architect from a midwestern college. He says the building did not come down from that blast. He and many of his architect friends were in total agreement. He was adamant.
I was refering to the vast number of people who say they saw "black" helicopters, just mistaking dark green NG for them...but thanks...Spooks..That should not surprise me to know that they would do this, but I'll still call them "useful idiots" (for the agenda) and I will assume you are correct...but I was just trying to rest fears....once again thanks.
Nope, I'm a Texas sire. Been dark for awhile, though. And the wind pushed on us out of the north for a couple of days last week-- the (NY) times, they will soon be a'changin':)
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By the way that photo was taken at Moffett Field in Silicon Valley from a NASA's side of the field. The old WWII blimp hangers are just out of the picture to the right.
On the morning of the bombing, there were news reports of a fax received in DC tipping off the bombing. Has anyone addressed or heard of this? The initial report was never followed up. The fax was from "Wolverine" but I do not know what agency received it.
"That should not surprise me to know that they would do this, but I'll still call them "useful idiots" (for the agenda) and I will assume you are correct...but I was just trying to rest fears....once again thanks. "
Well, whether it's "shill", "spook", "informant", "PR Whore", "Useful idiot", or "White House volunteer", it's still the same type of character, and there's really nothing to be afraid of. Poeple who do this sort of thing are real losers and have to play at spy to have any self-esteem at all. Nine times out of ten when you meet one face to face, and they think you might know what they are, they run like hell. They pretty much can't deal face to face with other people.
If you look closely at the sort of people who wind up working for the spook shops, cross dressers like Hoover, S&M queens like Clay Shaw and Dave Ferry, you realize that people who already have something they need to hide are naturally drawn to being spooks, shills, and informants.
And you are wrong about spooks posting here as well. Several have been outed, one was sued for slander and requested AND GOT a free government lawyer to defend him on the grounds that his online activity was his official duty.
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Who was outed? Who was sued? When did this happen?
Please, give us their FR handles, at least.
People kept poking at Waco and a lot of information that had been covered up came out. There will be no official actions, but a lot of people now know.
Continued poking at Oklahoma City will bring out more info and educate a lot of citizens about the possibilities.
The pendulum swings.
I'd say when the purple haze is swiped back, we'll find a tale that would make Tom's stories tame, and yes the CIA, Will be CYA, no Oliver Stone Jack Rubies.If someone had a way for trust and capital that will prove they know what side there breads buttered on.
"I was refering to the vast number of people who say they saw "black" helicopters, just mistaking dark green NG for them.."
It is my understanding that "black" does not refer to color but to "non-identifiability".
"Anyone against abolishing the FBI? They've turned into a secret police/criminal gang. They are an unconstitutional agency. Federal law enforcement must go."
I couldn't agree more. The FBI, CIA, and ATF combine to make the largest terrorist organization preying on the American people.
Firing on an AH-64 with small arms like a 30.06 might turn out to be a foolish mistake.
post 47
There is a unit in Florida at Elgin AFB that has black, blue, red, silver, rainbow, etc they do spooky stuff maybe even "phyops" to spook us by flying over your house.... 99% of this stuff is just training, and nothing to worry about for the most part, every once in awile they do some stupid stuff for the "paymasters" (i.e. Waco) what concerns me is that they may be conditioning us to their "training" to perhaps unconstitutional ends.
post 53
I Agree 100%
People kept poking at Waco and a lot of information that had been covered up came out.Site something substantive -- other than pyrotechnic devices that really didn't have any material bearing on what happened to the Davidians ...
The immediate seizure of Clinton to capitalize on the horror and then sadness of the nation after OK bombing was incredible to observe- and the attacks on Limbaugh and G gordon Liddy etc "hate talk" .The whispers started almost within days and have never stopped...this administration with it's rotten head are capable of almost anything- and the connection of evil people extends into all departments- wonder if we will ever discover the truth.
Hey _jim, you ever been 'outed'? Any comments on #42?
Excellent post.
FWIW ...Through something of a coincidence I was in a position to check out Patrick Briley (because of an earlier article he wrote which was posted here) with some trusted friends who know of him.
"Very serious, and IMO highly credible," was what one friend who knows him told me; the other said "I don't know him but know people who do and they have a very good opinion of him and his work. One problem: He sometimes includes speculation along with hard fact, and although he CLEARLY identifies it as such, it sometimes provides an easy target for detractors and distracts from the solid, factual content.."
Again, these are trusted friends whom I have learned I can count on.
post 62
The "talkers" that were confering with D.K. said that their bags were packed, ready to leave, pack their bags then kill themselves?...riddle me this, where is the other half of the double door...the one with all the bullit hole's going in..where's that?