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Kenneth Timmerman wrote an article for the November 1997 issue of the American Spectator entitled “ Al Gore’s Arab Moneyman.” Timmerman reported that Al Gore had been promoting the nomination of Edward Gabriel to become U.S. Ambassador to Morroco. The article claimed Gabriel raised money for Arab “charities” connected by PLO Chairman, Yasser Arafat, to the military wing of the terrorist group Hamas. Timmerman interviewed George Cody, the executive director of the pro-Syrian task force of Lebanon. Cody told Timmerman that Gore had an excellent relationship with Gabriel and that Gore was a driving force behind Gabriel’s nomination.
Also, Timmerman reported that Gabriel had sat together with James Zogby and Abdulrahman Alamoudi on the steering committee of the Arab Americans for Clinton/Gore “96. The “Moneyman” article described a “former DNC employee” who alleged that Gabriel served as a conduit for campaign contributions to the DNC from Arab businessmen in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and Syria. The source claimed the funds were solicited by Gabriel and Zogby, and then paid out to Arab Americans, who then legally contributed to the Gore/Clinton campaign in amounts of $1000, $5000, and even $10000.
Abdulrahman Alamoudi was executive director of the American Muslim Council (AMC) in April 1996. Abdulrahman met with Clinton’s National Security Advisor, Anthony Lake, in the White House on December 8, 1995 to receive a briefing on the Dayton Peace Agreement and to represent the interests of the Muslim Community. This access to the White House may have been connected to the donations arranged by Ed Gabriel for Gore and the DNC.
The suspicion of the possibility of Gore’s connection to the AMC and Gabriel and receiving campaign contributions from Arab terrorist groups is further heightened by another article published by Timmerman in the April 1997 issue of the American Spectator. Timmerman reported that Anthony Lake helped a company, Occidental Petroleum, closely connected to Gore and his father, obtain an exemption from the 1996 anti-terrorism act in order for Occidental to pursue a lucrative oil deal in Sudan.
Allegedly, Lake was involved in the ordering of the Treasury Department to write regulations that took the teeth out of the anti-terrorism law and thereby permitted the exemption. Gore and his father had close business dealings and stock holdings in Occidental Petroleum at the time and also had long time relations with the Occidental Chairman, Armand Hammer, who in turn had close ties with the Soviet Union.
William Grigg, writing in the April 14, 1997 issue of the New American Magazine noted that Sudan played a pivotal role in an Islamic terrorist network that Anthony Lake used to create a Iran-Bosnia arms pipeline.
Jack Kelly reported in an October 29, 1999, article of U.S.A. Today, entitled “Saudi Money Aiding Bin Laden,” that Capitol Trust Bank of New York and London was being investigated by U.S. and British officials for allegedly transferring millions of dollars to terrorist Bin Laden from five top Saudi Arabian businessmen. It is very disturbing that the banker who heads up Capitol Trust Bank, Mohammed Alamoudi, has legally been represented in Washington D.C., by Vernon Jordan, a close confidante of Clinton with ties to Gore.
Furthermore, note that Alamoudi is the same last name of the individual Timmerman reported had ties to Ed Gabriel, Arab terrorists and Al Gore and those who had arranged questionable if not illegal contributions to the Gore/Clinton campaign in 1996. It is not known whether or not Mohammed and Abdulrahuran Alamoudi are related or unrelated or know each other.
Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher accused the US State Department and its Assistant Secretary, Karl Inderfurth, of withholding key documents from Congress that Rohrabacher claimed would show that the Clinton and Gore administration had supported the Taliban militia in Afghanistan. This story was reported by the UPI and author Joe Warminsky on October 20, 1999. The Taliban has widely been acknowledged as hiding and protecting the terrorist Bin Laden.
Another troubling connection between terrorist Bin Laden and the Clinton and Gore administration is the DOJ and FBI handling of an Egyptian, Ali Mohammed, who worked directly for Bin Laden and the CIA and the FBI and the Green Berets and was involved in Arab terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Ali first worked training Green Berets, then worked for the CIA before becoming an FBI operative out of Sacramento, California from 1992 to 1996.
Ali was indicted in New York in late 1998 for helping Bin Laden do the bombings of the World Trade Center and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He was also indicted for setting up and training Bin Laden terrorist cells in the US. When arrested he had manuals for how to hide explosives in public buildings. He is suspected of helping Bin Laden by writing terrorist training manuals for Bin Laden.
Ali worked with Bin Laden’s secretary, El Hage, and a terrorist group out of Dallas, Texas that may have helped Hamas terrorist groups in OKC assist McVeigh in the OKC bombing. El Hage complained to the judge at his hearing that El Hage and other FBI operatives had in fact warned the US about the Kenyan and Tanzanian bombings.
It was reported by the New York Times that the FBI had detailed plans and advanced warnings for over five months for the bombings of the embassies and the World Trade Center and nothing adequate was done to try to stop the bombings.
Did Ali and El Hage provide information to the FBI in advance about these bombings? Did Clinton and Gore and Reno order the FBI to ignore the advanced warnings and plans that the FBI did have even if they did not come from Ali and El Hage? Was Lake involved in not stopping these bombings? Was there a mole or spy in the administration? Or were the bombings deliberately allowed or caused to happen? Were the Clinton and Gore administration’s connections to Bin Laden at play in not stopping these Bin Laden bombings??
Steve Emerson, a noted terrorism expert and producer of “Jihad In American” for PBS, wrote an editorial for the Wall Street Journal on March 13, 1996 entitled “Friends of Hamas In the White House.” Emerson said “the contacts between the White House and Islamic radicals began on November 9, 1995, when President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore met with Abdulrahman Alamoudi, executive director of the American Muslim Council (AMC), as part of a meeting with 23 Muslim and Arab leaders.”
Emerson quoted Seif Ashmarvy, the American Muslim publisher of the Voice of Peace in New Jersey. Ashmarvy said “the American Muslim Council is a radical group that supports radical Islamic terrorist movements.” Ashmarvy also said he felt “totally betrayed by the Clinton administration.”
Emerson reported that Abdulrahman Alamoudi in an April 1995 press conference denounced the counter terrorism legislation in Congress and angrily dismissed suggestions that Hamas was a terrorist group.
The AMC responded to Emerson’s article in April 1996 in a press release “Reading Between the Lines, AMC’s Rebuttal to Steve Emerson’s Charges.” In rebuttal, AMC asserted that Hamas should not be condemned for extreme actions by those in the military front of Hamas. AMC President Dr. Mohammed Cheema is also quoted in the AMC rebuttal as saying “Israel must talk to Hamas” since Cheema believed Palestinians were following Hamas.
Anthony Lake gave a speech to the Council on Foreign relations in the Fall of 1994 in which Lake said the chief cornerstone of US foreign policy was to “pit our tolerant society against “….militias and domestic and foreign rogue groups in the US. The Lake speech was quoted on page 39 of an August 1995 issue of the New York Times Sunday Magazine (Lake is on the front cover).
Shortly after the OKC bombing Clinton and Gore expressed their sympathies for innocent Arab Americans. But Clinton and Gore also wrongly blamed other Americans who were conservative Christians, militia members and conservative radio talk show hosts who Gore and Clinton knew were not involved. Clinton and Gore never apologized to those Americans whom they smeared and defamed.
Clinton and Gore deliberately carried out the program outlined by Lake in his speech to “pit our tolerant society against” those in America Clinton, Gore and Lake wanted to discredit and turn our society against, the conservative Christians, the conservative talk radio hosts, and members of militias. When Clinton, Gore and Lake were through with their propaganda, they had succeeded in having the label of “ anti-government conspirator” applied against anyone who questioned government investigations to make the government more accountable to the people.
There is considerable evidence to suggest that Clinton, Gore, Lake, the DOJ, and the FBI conducted and covered up a failed sting operation in the OKC bombing and then used the failure to discredit Americans who are conservative Christians, militia members and conservative talk radio hosts. There also is considerable evidence of extreme forewarning of terrorist attacks against a Federal Building in OKC in April 1995 which Gore and Clinton did not have the Federal government pass on to the 169 innocent citizens killed on April 19,1995.
It is known that the White House and DOJ intervened in early May 1995 to stop all FBI searches for John Does involved in the OKC bombing. In fact the cover up started at least as early as April 21, 1995 when the FBI shut down the John Doe investigations by the FBI threatening court martial against Army recruiters for talking about having seen McVeigh in the Murrah Building with John Does. This was not an attempt to catch bad guys because no effort was made by the FBI to have sketches made of the John Does seen by the Army recruiters.
While the vast majority of Arab Americans are peace loving and law abiding, a continuation of an FBI investigation of Middle Eastern men possibly involved should not have been portrayed by Clinton and Gore as racist or defamatory toward Arabs as a group.
The FBI was also ordered to stop the FBI searches for two Middle Eastern men who had been the subject of an FBI all points bulletin broadcast on OKC television stations for a week after the bombing. A number of FBI agents were greatly disturbed by the DOJ having the FBI call off pursuit of the Middle Eastern men seen at the Murrah Building around McVeigh by many witnesses on April 19,1995.
Not only was the FBI taken off the investigating Middle Eastern John Does but the Assistant US attorney Ted Richardson was taken off his investigation of the employer of an Iraqi, Al Hussaini, sued by KFORTV in OKC for their stories trying to link Hussaini to McVeigh and the bombing. Richardson was found dead of a shot gun blast to the chest in 1997 near his church. And the FBI and US prosecutors refused until February 1999 to receive evidence from a former KFORTV reporter of witnesses linking McVeigh to seven Middle Eastern men who allegedly helped McVeigh.
Herb Johnson, the Chief of Staff for US Senator James Inhofe, was told by an FBI agent in the FBI command post that the DOJ was concerned how the DOJ could keep the public from knowing about the involvement of Middle Eastern men in the OKC bombing.
According to OKC police officer, Don Browning, FBI agent Floyd Zimms deliberately gave out false information about the getaway car of two Middle Eastern (Pakistani) suspects detained at the Dallas airport on April 19,1995 that may have led to their premature release. Zimms also allegedly falsified an FBI 302 interview report with a key witness implicating Middle Eastern men in the OKC bombing. It has been alleged by a very reliable source that Zimms now works for the CIA and may have worked for the CIA and FBI at the time of the bombing.
As noted earlier in this article, the AMC has tried to assert that Hamas is not primarily a terrorist organization and that Israel should be caused to have to negotiate with Hamas. Israeli Prime Minister Rabin and his terrorism advisor, Yigal Carmon, offered help to the US after the OKC bombing and stated publicly they believed Hamas terrorists were involved in the OKC bombing. Clinton and Gore rejected the Israeli offer.
Yet the former Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Democratic Congressman Dave McCurdy of Oklahoma, wrote in a May 1995 issue of the Oklahoma Gazette that a well established terrorist Hamas cell in OKC was probably involved in the OKC bombing. McCurdy wrote that that the Hamas cell in OKC had demolition experts and that the FBI had shown McCurdy training films used by the Hamas cell.
Furthermore, two OKC deputy sheriffs, Don Hammons and David Kochendoerfer, stated at a press conference in early 1998 that Congressman Ernest Istook told the sheriffs on the evening of April 19, 1995 that a local Arab terrorist group had made a threat against a Federal Building in OKC on April 9, 1995. FBI agent James Carlysle tried to intimidate Kochendoerfer and is strongly believed Carlysle falsified his 302 interview report with the sheriff.
Janice Roberts, staff director for a Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism told me there has been a well established Hamas terrorist cell in OKC for more than ten years. Governor Frank Keating’s brother, Martin Keating, told me on KTOK radio that Hamas had a well established terrorist cell in OKC. Martin Keating’s book, “the Final Jihad”, contains a story line of a Middle Eastern attack on a Federal building in Oklahoma and his book was written before the OKC bombing.
A representative of Terry Lenzner’s investigative firm, IGI, contacted a KFORTV reporter shortly after the OKC bombing and wanted to assist in the KFORTV investigation. The IGI offer was declined and soon thereafter KFORTV was bought by the New York Times (very unusual). And around the same time the Iraqi Al Hussaini sued KFORTV with the help of OK governor Keating’s law associate Gary Richardson., and the New York Times then sued a KFORTV reporter close to the investigation of the Middle Eastern connection to the OKC bombing. After these events, the KFORTV investigations of a possible Middle East connection were drastically curtailed.
Did Lenzner and IGI really want to help KFORTV or did they want to help stop an investigation that might show Clinton, Gore and Lake complicity in a failed sting operation and its cover up involving Middle Eastern men? Were the misfortunes of KFORTV, the lawsuits against KFORTV and their reporters, aided by Lenzner when KFORTV declined to let IGI be involved in their investigation?
Terry Lenzner, founder of IGI, hired two FBI men involved in the OKC bombing investigation, Larry Potts (of Ruby Ridge fame), and Howard Shapiro, the White House legal counsel for the FBI. Lenzner is a close friend of Hillary Clinton and both served on the legal team for the Watergate Committee. Lenzner also knows Anthony Lake and Strobe Talbot, the Deputy Secretary of State.
These questions about Lenzner are also raised in part because of what is also known about Lenzner’s connections to investigations performed by IGI for the White House. Lenzner is alleged to have investigated twenty Congressmen involved in the impeachment hearings. Lenzner is also alleged to have investigated women who made accusations against Clinton. Clinton acknowledged in a formal response to Henry Hyde’s interrogatories that Lenzner’s firm IGI had been used in investigations for the White House.
At the time of the impeachment and the Senate trial, it is known that US Congressmen and Senators had evidence concerning the OKC bombing and of alleged illegal campaign contributions made to Clinton and Gore and the DNC by Arab groups suspected of being connected to terrorists. Yet the Congressmen were blocked from bringing up much evidence in the Senate trial not related to Lewinsky by Democratic and Republican Senators according to the legal counsel for the House Mangers, David Schippers, in his book “Sellout”.
Lenzner investigated the wife of Republican Senator Nickles from Oklahoma sometime shortly after the OKC bombing and Nickles angrily confronted Lenzner about this in Senate hearings. Nickles is the second most senior and ranking Republican in the Senate behind Trent Lott.
Did the alleged Terry Lenzner’s investigations of the twenty Congressmen and also of one or more Republican Senators in any way contribute to evidence being blocked at the Senate trial? Did the blocked evidence relate to possible illegal campaign contributions to Gore and Clinton from Arab terrorist groups some of whom may have been involved in the OKC bombing? Did any of the blocked evidence pertain to possible Gore and Clinton complicity and coverup of a failed Federal sting operation that involved Middle Eastern men and that was used to discredit militias, conservative Christians, and conservative talk radio hosts?
There is even more information pertaining to Lenzner’s possible role in the OKC bombing case. Lenzner was part owner of a Tulsa, Oklahoma company once called Hawkins Oil. Hawkins employed a Pakistani who was a member of the Islamic Society of Tulsa and who has worked with Arab students on the campus of Tulsa University.
The Hawkins Oil employee made one or business trips to Pakistan and the region near Afghanistan where the terrorist Bin Laden resides. An Arab informant has told an OKC police officer that the Pakistani employee of Hawkins Oil was placed together with the employer of the Iraqi, Al Husseini, who sued KFORTV. According to the OKC police officer, the FBI intervened directly with the informant to shut down the investigation of the Hawkins Oil employee’s connections by the OKC police officer.
Also, recall that Dr, Mohammed Cheema, a Pakistani, is president of the AMC connected to Edward Gabriel and Gore by Timmerman and Emerson. It is not known whether or not the Hawkins Oil employee and Dr. Mohammed Cheema are related or know each other.
Also, an Indian newspaper, NewsToday, reported in June 2000, that Mohammed Arshad Cheema of Pakistan had helped Pakistani and Mujahideen (connected to Bin Laden) terrorists hijack an Indian plane, flight IC-814.
It is not known whether or not the Hawkins Oil employee, Dr. Mohammed Cheema, and Mohammed Arshad Cheema are relatives or know each other. However, all three are Pakistanis. And it was reported on Freerepublic.com by Free Vulcan on October 11, 2000 that Clinton has had longstanding connections with Pakistani terrorists, drug and gun runners, and hit men associated with BCCI. Also recall earlier in this article the story about FBI agent and CIA operative Floyd Zimms deliberately giving out false information about the getaway car of two Pakistani suspects detained at the Dallas airport on April 19,1995, an action that caused their premature release. p> Was there a connection between any of the Pakistanis, Terry Lenzner, Vernon Jordan, Clinton, Gore or Bin Laden with the OKC bombing case and with campaign contributions from Arab groups associated with Arab terrorists??
The US State Department of Gore and Clinton is populated by men like Strobe Talbot, a friend of Lake and Lenzner. These are the men who tilted US foreign policy in the Middle East toward the AMC, Arafat, the PLO, and the terrorist group Hamas starting at least as early as 1994 and 1995. It is not surprising that a member of this State Department recently implied in a memo released on the Drudgereport.com on October 18, 2000 that 100 Palestinians killed in Israel are worth more than 17 US sailors killed in the terrorist attack on the USS Cole believed to have been tied to Bin Laden.
The problem is that there is evidence that suggests that Gore and Clinton knowingly received and perhaps solicited campaign contributions from Arab groups associated with known terrorist groups.
Has anyone asked Vernon Jordan why he is the lawyer for the banker whose bank was being investigated for funneling millions of dollars to terrorist Bin Laden?
Has anyone asked Gore and Clinton to explain and justify their receiving contributions from alleged Arab terrorist organizations and tilting US foreign policy toward these groups?
What was the role of Gore and Clinton in the foreknowledge and cover up of a Federal sting operation involving Middle Eastern men in the OKC bombing?
Witnesses, Israelis & Congressional Officials Say Middle Eastern Men Particpated In OKC Bombing?
Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: OKC BOMBING, FBI, TERRORISM
Source: OKCSubmariner
Published: October 11, 2000 Author: Patrick B. Briley
Posted on 10/11/2000 12:36:45 PDT by OKCSubmariner
Assistant US Attorney Murdered or Suicided For Investigating Federal Cover-up of OKC Bombing?
Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: OKC BOMBING
Source: OKCSubmariner
Published: September 30, 2000 Author: Patrick B. Briley
Posted on 10/01/2000 00:44:50 PDT by OKCSubmariner
Was the OKC Bombing a Failed FBI Sting Operation? “Robert Jacques” May Know.
Crime/Corruption Extended News News
Source: OKCSubmariner
Published: September 26, 2000 Author: Patrick B. Briley
Posted on 09/26/2000 16:37:36 PDT by OKCSubmariner
What Senator Inhofe Knows About Federal Criminal Activity In the White House and In the OKC Bombing
Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: OKC BOMBING, INHOFE, IMPEACHMENT
Source: OKCSubmariner
Published: October 6, 2000 Author: Patrick B. Briley
Posted on 10/05/2000 11:59:56 PDT by OKCSubmariner
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William Grigg, writing in the April 14, 1997 issue of the New American Magazine noted that Sudan played a pivotal role in an Islamic terrorist network that Anthony Lake used to create a Iran-Bosnia arms pipeline.
the banker who heads up Capitol Trust Bank, Mohammed Alamoudi, has legally been represented in Washington D.C., by Vernon Jordan
Anthony Lake gave a speech to the Council on Foreign relations in the Fall of 1994 in which Lake said the chief cornerstone of US foreign policy was to “pit our tolerant society against “….militias and domestic and foreign rogue groups in the US
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Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher accused the US State Department and its Assistant Secretary, Karl Inderfurth, of withholding key documents from Congress that Rohrabacher claimed would show that the Clinton and Gore administration had supported the Taliban militia in Afghanistan. This story was reported by the UPI and author Joe Warminsky on October 20, 1999. The Taliban has widely been acknowledged as hiding and protecting the terrorist Bin Laden.
Have you got anything on this?
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Lots of information here that will take some time to absorb.
I would like to point out, though, that Anthony Lake's resume starts with Kissinger and Nixon.
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The article's claims could have been greatly strengthened if it examined the US role in the Balkans as well. I don't see any mention of how Clinton cooperated with Iran to issue arms in violation of a UN embargo to the Islamic fundamentalists in Bosnia, led in part by Osama bin Laden. Then there's Kosovo and the US Army helping out the KLA, another internationally recognized terrorist group, and condemned as such by US officials.
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The article's claims could have been greatly strengthened if it examined the US role in the Balkans as well. I don't see any mention of how Clinton cooperated with Iran to issue arms in violation of a UN embargo to the Islamic fundamentalists in Bosnia, led in part by Osama bin Laden. Then there's Kosovo and the US Army helping out the KLA, another internationally recognized terrorist group, and condemned as such by US officials.
The author has focussed on the OKC bombing and come upon these other elements as a result of looking for connections to that investigation. I, and I'm sure he, would appreciate it greatly if you could expand on this when you have time.
Sorry I somehow forgot to bump you....... I'm aware you know a lot about this stuff.
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Thanks for your contribution. I hope you can post what you know, I would love to read about it.
One of the great features of the freerepublic and the people who are on it is that important information can be shared and then integrated, particularly when there is a recurrent issue or pattern like Gore and Clinton being in bed with terrorists.
National news outlets give short stories, or no info, or dribble out a recurring theme with six months in between stories with no analysis or integration of what the stories mean.
Freerepublic has become a wonderful news outlet for the people at a time when major news outlets have failed us all and the country. I know there are people on here who keep track of things-it is a full time job and they are devoted.
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GOP House member alleges policy coverup - US support of Taliban militia in Afghanistan ?
Crime/Corruption News Keywords: "WEASEL WORDS"
Source: UPI
Published: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 22:35 (GMT) Author: JOE WARMINSKY
Posted on 10/20/1999 19:36:10 PDT by Vitolins
WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 (UPI) - Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., ripped into Assistant Secretary of State Karl Inderfurth at a House hearing on Wednesday, accusing the State Department of withholding key documents he said would show that the United States had supported the ruling Taliban militia in Afghanistan.
Rohrabacher said Republicans had asked Secretary of State Madeleine Albright for Taliban-related documents from the State Department last year, but only a few had been delivered.
"The lack of courage and the incomprehensible policies of the Clinton administration (have) created a crisis in Central Asia where there was none," Rohrabacher said at a House International Relations Committee where Inderfurth testified on Wednesday.
"As far as I'm concerned, it's a shameful record, and the coverup of the information for us to determine what that policy was is even more shameful," the congressman added.
Inderfurth, in response, said the State Department has sent three shipments of documents, including classified information, to Rohrabacher and is planning four overall.
Inderfurth said he had reviewed the documents, and "they offer absolutely no support for (Rohrabacher's) contention that the U.S. government has now or in the past had a covert policy of support for the Taliban."
Later in the hearing, Rohrabacher shouted at Inderfurth and accused him of using "weasel words" after Inderfurth denied having seen any documents that would indicate the Clinton administration had backed the Taliban, which controls about 90 percent of Afghanistan.
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A day after Congressman Rohrabacher's confrontation with Assist. Sec of State Inderfurth for withholding documents on Bin Laden and the Taliban, Inderfurth announces that the US would start to work to have the Taliban turn over Bin Laden. See the attached news item below about this. This was absurd and public posturing by US State Dept. when they got caught with their pants down. My money is Rohrabacher.
No one has heard about US success in having Taliban turn over Bin Laden even after a year have they? Also, this is about a bad as the bombing of Bin Laden in Aug 1998 when the US gave him advanced warning. It was for show, a wag the dog move by Clinton and Gore and probably provided cover for Gore and Clinton and Vernon Jordan arrangements with Bin LAden. I have a ton of more info showing US complicity with Bin Laden since 1993.
U.S. ready to work with Taliban to end terrorist networks
Foreign Affairs News Keywords: TALEBAN, TALIBAN, DRUGS, NARCOTICS, OSAMA BIN LADEN, ISLAM, TERRORISM, MUSLIM, AFGHANISTAN, USA
Source: The Times of India, via News Plus
Published: Thursday, October 21, 1999
Posted on 10/21/1999 10:28:34 PDT by Jai
Washington - The United States, which is seeking extradition of international terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden from Afghanistan, has said it is prepared to work with the Taliban militia to end terrorist networks in the war-torn country. Assistant secretary of state Karl F Inderfurth has said that Washington would be willing to make arrangements at the border to take charge of Osama Bin Laden to have him tried. The US, he said, would also help in installing a broad-based government and pursue other concerns such as the militia's "appalling" human rights policies, especially the treatment of women and girls," and narcotics trafficking.
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Thanks for the flag. As I was telling OKCSub (in mail), the statement by Lake at his CFR appearance should be enough to spark revolution, without learning anything new.
I always suspected these connections. Have you ever noticed which Administration reigned during all of the worst terrorist bombings, and how they were ALWAYS the ones who profited? It's sick. And the press is for the most part an accomplice, so the questions just proliferate, and the cover-up gets more and more frustrating. Maybe vigilantism is the only answer left. Unless we haven't tried hard enough to consolidate the information and bypass the media to the public, somehow. It seems we need to boil it down the best we can, and maybe pirate some TV stations, or something. The lid these crooks have on information reaching the sheep is downright genius.
The lid these crooks have on information reaching the sheep is downright genius.
It's nearly impossible to present eveidence conclusive enough for people who don't want to believe, but we have to keep trying.
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Anytime one of our international 'experts' stands up and begins shouting about some 'terrorist state', this usually means one of the CFR types is having difficulty screwing someone.
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The Afghanis have been running record poppy crops. [BBC]
Bin Laden worked for the CIA during the Russian-Afghani war. [CBS]
I remember some of the connections the author mentions. Anytime you start dipping into the Middle East, connections get REAL murky.
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Where have you been for the last eight years? Gore, Clinton and their Associates are a terrorist group.
I remember some of the connections the author mentions. Anytime you start dipping into the Middle East, connections get REAL murky.
Don't you read the papers? Don't you watch network news. Obviously Osama Bin Laden is behind every terrorist act in the world. Sheesh, pay attention!
I'm not one who leans toward the "sting gone wrong" explanation in OKC bombing, but don't rule it out. Looks much more likely to me that any ME types involved were hired for the job. The $64,000 question is, "Who was the employer?"
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Lots to review. Thanks. Be back into it tomorrow.
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more OKC, FedGov connections
Thanks for the flag, LSJohn.
OKCSubmariner, it'll be a while before I can assimilate what is in your posting. But I have suspected a connection between bin Laden and the administration ever since I learned that one result of the bombing of the aspirin factory was to lead the Sudan to release two associates of bin Laden's suspected of being involved in the embassy bombing that they were holding to be interrogated by the FBI, which was then in East Africa investigating those bombings.
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But I have suspected a connection between bin Laden and the administration ever since I learned that one result of the bombing of the aspirin factory was to lead the Sudan to release two associates of bin Laden's suspected of being involved in the embassy bombing that they were holding to be interrogated by the FBI, which was then in East Africa investigating those bombings.
Yes! Dammit, that struck me at the time and somehow it slipped off the radar screen. Thanks for the reminder.
Suppose every evil bastard in the world is connected to every other evil bastard?
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More campaign money from foreign foes finding its way into the demoflop coffers. Why am I not surprised?
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I'm not one who leans toward the "sting gone wrong" explanation in OKC bombing, but don't rule it out. Looks much more likely to me that any ME types involved were hired for the job. The $64,000 question is, "Who was the employer?"
The question to answer the question is, who benefited from the bombing, politically speaking? The same person who has criminalized and taken over the FBI, who seemed to have agents involved in every step of the OKC bombing. There is no doubt in my mind that the OKC bombing was a Clintonian, murderous, Reichstag Fire. I think Clinton studies history.
UPI 10/20/99 Joe Warminsky "....Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., ripped into Assistant Secretary of State Karl Inderfurth at a House hearing on Wednesday, accusing the State Department of withholding key documents he said would show that the United States had supported the ruling Taliban militia in Afghanistan. Rohrabacher said Republicans had asked Secretary of State Madeleine Albright for Taliban-related documents from the State Department last year, but only a few had been delivered. "The lack of courage and the incomprehensible policies of the Clinton administration (have) created a crisis in Central Asia where there was none," Rohrabacher said at a House International Relations Committee where Inderfurth testified on Wednesday.....Later in the hearing, Rohrabacher shouted at Inderfurth and accused him of using "weasel words" after Inderfurth denied having seen any documents that would indicate the Clinton administration had backed the Taliban, which controls about 90 percent of Afghanistan...."
http://www.dso.com Sources 9/21/99 Dr Clifford Kiracofe "...The Clinton administration for months has refused to turn over to Congress foreign policy documents that implicate it in the Taliban reign of terror in Afghanistan, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), told SOURCES. A number of members of the U.S. House of Representatives believe the Clinton Administration played a key role in creating the Taliban by giving a "green light" to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to organize, fund and direct the terrorist movement that has now taken control of Afghanistan, he said. "We have tried for a year and a half to obtain documents on our Afghan policy," Rohrabacher told SOURCES in an exclusive interview Friday. Rohrabacher says he has evidence the Clinton administration encouraged and approved the creation of the terrorist Taliban movement. Certain key officials in Middle Eastern countries have confirmed the administration's role in direct conversations with him. He also explained he has additional evidence from a number of confidential sources close to the matter. Meanwhile, Rohrabacher believes the State Department is stonewalling his requests for information on its policy toward the Taliban because administration officials fear the disclosure of facts to Congress would confirm a U.S. role in the operation involving the fundamentalist Islamic movement. Nonetheless, Rohrabacher, who is a member of the International Relations Committee, is pressing on with his requests for documentation of U.S. policy. "Our Chairman, Congressman Gilman, and others are supportive," he told SOURCES. The Taliban regime in Afghanistan is now an "epicenter" of international terrorism, Rohrabacher told SOURCES. A key aide in the Reagan White House and a journalist by profession, Rohrabacher said he saw Osama bin Laden's camp during a secret visit to Afghanistan in 1988. Rohrabacher has closely followed Afghan affairs for over a decade. Rohrabacher confirmed recent SOURCES reports regarding the formation of the Taliban by the Pakistani Interior Ministry and Inter-Services-Intelligence organization (ISI). Rohrabacher said there is no question Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States were brought in to finance the operation....."
...who benefited from the bombing, politically speaking?
Everybody who wants the Constitution further undermined benefitted, especially the man behind the curtain and ALL his minions.
Never did trust Zogby!
DemoRAT shrill......big time!
Alamo-Girl, I see you got this. Hugs!!!! amom, FYI and Hugs!!!! Jolly, FYI and Best to Ya'!!!!:-)
#72 Thank You, Sir, we are duly now informed. This has been passed along. And it is now being bumped to the top!!!!BTTT!!!!
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Thank you for remembering to ping this intensely interested citizen!
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Makes chilling sense when you consider Clinton's Kremlin background...
BTW, would still love to know what the first witch was really up to during her trip to Egypt last winter...I always wondered who she was meeting with up in the mountains...
And I hope that Mossad mole in the WH is reporting to Sharon or Bibi--we may need their help before this is over...
Here's another.........BUMP!!!!:-)
You're quite welcome!
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Heads up folks
Your very Welcome, amom!!!!:-)
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the clinton administration routinely with-holds information from Congress and the American people. Because of this, they encourage and deserve all the speculation and attention they get by investigative journalists. Let's just hope that Attorney General Bob Barr will get to the bottom of the worst of the clinton administration's crimes and put the perpatraitors behind bars.
Speaking of investigators, Terry Lenzner is a slime and would be in jail several times over except for all the dirt he has on everyone. The guy is truly dispicable.
oh yes
Man, I could not agree more with your assessment of the OKC bombing.
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I believe that 17 more Americans paid with their blood for clinton to have a legacy as a peacemaker in the Mid East.
clinton's state department gave the official opinion of this administration's view of their deaths.
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Thanks for the flag LS.
"Or were the bombings deliberately allowed or caused to happen?"
in a word: sure!
with the end of the cold war, the klintonista regime had to create an enemy of the people.
arizona vipers, ruby ridge, waco, okc, elohim city ALL were infiltrated with gummit agents. prior knowledge? hell, they prolly instigated it.
Thanks for the flag. Unfortunately there isn't enough rope in the world to hang Clinton once for each criminal taking of human life he is responsible for individually.
My greatest fear is that even after we elect totally new leadership it will be deemed "too explosive for the American people" to know, and it will all continue to be kept under the rug.
My greatest fear is that even after we elect totally new leadership it will be deemed "too explosive for the American people" to know, and it will all continue to be kept under the rug.
Sen. Don Nichols already has said (paraphrased) "If this is true, the American people can't STAND the truth."
Even without believing there's a man behind the curtain, it's obvious that the two Parties cooperate to keep the worst scandals from public view. A Republican congressman once told me, "Every story which damages a politician damages EVERY politician. These guys would be cutting their own throats to let the public know the truth."
He kept pushing to expose the one coverup most important to him, but kept his mouth shut about all the rest.
...with the end of the cold war, the klintonista regime had to create an enemy of the people.
I hope it is "the klintonista regime" but fear it goes deeper.
I'm glad the information was helpful!
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Know anything about this?
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You once claimed to be CIA but I suspect you're really ONI.
Have anything to add to this?
Does this interest you?
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have you seen this?
Henchster used the term "Osama Bil Klinton" this AM. Great moniker IMHO. Fit's the current admistration like a glove.....
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Somehow forgot to flag you earlier
You might not like the feel of this, but I think you would want to see it.
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LSJohn: Does this interest you?
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As can be seen, OKCSubmariner is rather new to FR. The only thing I know about him for sure is that he writes almost impenetrable prose and creates baroque, labyrinthine name associations that for all practical purposes are impossible to disentangle.
So my answer to your question is no, this post does not interest me.
That doesn't mean that I would put anything past Team Clinton. The underhanded, untrustworthy gang of crooks and liars in the Clinton administration are capable of anything, even associations with terrorist groups. But proof of such associations is not to be found in the report that heads this thread.
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But proof of such associations is not to be found in the report that heads this thread.
But some tantalizing leads for others who are or want to pursue the subject further, no?
The name associations are only too hard to disentangle for those who are too lazy to look up the references (publication, title, author, date, etc) I gave, most of which can be found on the FR. Would you like me to spoon feed you by posting all the reference articles for you, or would you still be too lazy to read them?
Your condescending use of words like baroque and labryinthine belie your pretense of being an intellectual when in fact you must not know the meanings of these words because you use them incorrectly. Go look them up.
My article takes a complex labryinthine subject and unravels it into an understandable story line devoid of pretentious and baroque ornamentations disquised as flowery words and philosopical theories.
What has been written are hard, cold facts in simple prose. Of course, you may not have the attention span it takes to read eight pages of facts no matter how clearly written.
You may actually be intelligent. But you remind me of many I went to college with who had great test scores but never worked hard enough to make good grades because they always thought they were above it all.
You cannot be lazy if you want to seek the truth and want to do something constructive with the truth for the good of people.
Of course, another possibility is that you know that what I have written is true. But to discourage others from knowing the truth, you try to convince them (by pretending to be intellectual) they should take your word for it that they should not even take the time to verify there is truth in what I have written.
This is a tactic I have observed by highly educated CIA types who are insecure and will even drag out their knowledge of literature or history (that does not apply to the argument or line of thought being discussed) to convince others the CIA types are intellectually superior and that others should let the CIA types do the thinking and investigating and verifying for them.
Are you encouraging others to be as intellectually lazy as yourself for not going out to verify the truth when I have made it easy for them to do so?
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Your post simply reinforces my first impression. You are to be avoided.
Typo: "philosophical" not "philosopical".
Do you say I am to be avoided because you do not want others to know and seek the truth?
I hope your telling others to avoid me will encourage them to read what I write and to decide for themselves and not to rely on you.
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Thanks for the heads up. I've printed this out and will read it tomorrow when I can concentrate better--it's certainly very dense! (in a good way)
I think OKC was at best a sting gone wrong, but most likely the 2nd American Reichstag Fire.
Would appreciate it if you would check back in here after you've had a chance to digest.
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Will do, but I'll be gone till late Monday night.
Bump and bookmark.
I like to read these threads slowly. Then I underline names I don't recognize. Then I put the names in search engines. When I hear that little bell, called truth, I figure out the plot that is afoot. Truth is subtle and consistent.
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back atcha
Here's another.......BUMP!!!!
Would appreciate your comments after you've absorbed this.
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I am sorry for being quite so strong in my reponses to you.
You are certainly entitled to your criticism of my writing style. I do want to make it even easier to understand what I have written so I can reach more poeple.
I am glad you see through the Clinton administration and realize their short comings.
I really hope you will take some time to look into what I put in my article.
I honestly put important facts and information in the article which was meant to help others realize the risks the American people face with the terrorist situation made worse by Clinton and Gore behavior and policy.
Time for another.......
"The only thing I know about him for sure is that he writes almost impenetrable prose and creates baroque, labyrinthine name associations that for all practical purposes are impossible to disentangle."
But that's the way it actually works in the current convoluted world. In other words "It's Just Too Complicated", right?
Work thru a few names and associations as rubbertramp noted, it might enlighten you.
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In journalism, as opposed to some forms of academic and scientific writing, the first rule is clarity, which means that the writer must do the work required to tell the story clearly. It is never the reader's responsibility.
This rule is especially vital when conspiracies are alleged. No amount of superior comments to an editor (e.g., "Work thru a few names and associations...it might enlighten you.") would convince him to read this thread's story twice. In fact, such a comment would get you thrown out of his office with orders not to return until the story could be easily deciphered and sourced.
How much one is concerned about substance relative to literary quality is a product of one's interest in the subject matter. I thought this was an area of interest for you, so flagged you to it.
I don't find the quality of writing and organization nearly as wanting as do you.
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I hear you, but this article is heavily sourced in most places. There are a few places where a name has been deliberately left out to protect some sources and/or the author. This is done more often than you may realize by professional journalists. I know because I have contributed heavily to the research for several professional authors whose editors decided to use my materials with source names left out to protect the situation.
Why should this article be judged for literary style or whether or not you think it would be accepted for publication when it does clearly communicate many important facts? I make no pretense at being a professional writer.
Do you realize that in the OKC and ME terrorism cases the past 5 years, that professional writers were not allowed to present the evidence I have? I know many professional journalists who have had many of the stories on OKC and terrorism spiked for political reasons and many of the journalists involved acquiesced to keep their jobs. This is true not only of print media but also radio and TV.
I also know many professionals in all these media who have complained to me about how they have been censored by their management heavily within the past five years. This includes Roger Charles who worked for ABC 20/20 and who publicly criticised ABC for ABC management spiking his stories on OKC when the Clinton Justice Dept. and the White House directly intervened. Charles went on NY TV to complain and was fired. I have worked closely with him for four years and he has been in my home.
I can give you about five other examples in all forms of the media. These people have encouraged me to write what I have because they are tired of it being bottled up. They have given me advice on how to write these articles in a way that is informative and yet minimizes liability form frivolous, ungrounded lawsuits.
In the right legal forum at the right time, believe me, all my sources will be made available. But to get there I first have to inform the public so they will help generate the call for the proper legal forum.
I appreciate your expanation. The information is useful inevaluating the material and helps improve your credibility significantly.
"No amount of superior comments to an editor (e.g., "Work thru a few names and associations...it might enlighten you.") would convince him to read this thread's story twice. In fact, such a comment would get you thrown out of his office with orders not to return until the story could be easily deciphered and sourced."
Since I'm not an editor or a paid writer/jounalist that doesn't apply.
The intent of my comment was benign and intended to point out that a fuller comprehension of just how "labyrinthine" major conspiracies (particularly those that involve government interface) can be.
I suspect that most of us who are interested in assessing this information have had some experience with matters similar, or even portions of one of these networking crimes.
I truly do not believe that a few heads of anything get together in a smoke filled back room and hatch plots/conspiracies. They develope as an outgrowth of means to achieve a simple goal, no matter what that may be. Like the old warning "("Tangled Web")...........,When First We Practice to Decieve......."
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I truly do not believe that a few heads of anything get together in a smoke filled back room and hatch plots/conspiracies.
When referring to grand "conspiracies" of NWO proportion, I agree. Smaller-scale operations to avance elements of the largely non-coordinated plan do, IMO, often fit the definition of "criminal conspiracy."
That's a reasonable qualifier to my comment.
"Lenzner was part owner of a Tulsa, Oklahoma company once called Hawkins Oil."
It took some digging, but the Hawkins name rang a bell. There was some fair amount of money run thru a land scam, SBA, default deal that I've researched. Names involved were American Bank & Trust, Tulsa, Hawkins (L.S.),Tulsa, Ideal Energy, Tulsa (who I believe was connected in a manner with Miller Energy (one dead guy there) and possibly a Hawkins Energy or Oil?) The ties may or may not relate, but more looking into the names involved by someone in the OKC area (proximity to Sec. States Office) may be worthwhile.
Here's links to some of the raw data. Please don't dismiss it too readily, because it also is very convoluted with an extensive web involved. From this follow links there
And the basics of a $1,600,000+ land SBA Default ------ Default
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I would like to point out, though, that Anthony Lake's resume starts with Kissinger and Nixon....
Nope. It "begins"—much more intriguingly—with John Kennedy, Henry Cabot Lodge, and the overthrow of Diem in South Vietnam.
Regards. S&W R.I.P.P.
I had occasion to have two long conversations with Gen Lansdale before he died. I didn't know enough to know what to believe and not believe. He was a big fan of Diem -- at least liked him personally and thought he was the man for the job in spite of less than admirable administrative skills. He said the French hated him, largely because of his popular support, and he was removed because of French pressure on Washington.
What's your take on Diem and, briefly, what was Lake's role?
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Hey ... thanks.
That doesn't surprise me a bit. (But I've got homework to do, looks like.)
I consider Kennedy's death in Dallas the "shot heard round the new world".
Not ignoring your question, but my own take on Diem and Lake ain't important.
I'll say this much. Diem was winning. The North Vietnamese knew it. There are public documents, since released, that establish that it was their major aim to assassinate Diem.
Diem had a clear plan, which he had made known, in no uncertain terms, to Kennedy. Without too much of a stretch, though perhaps only indirectly, it was he who was behind the founding of the Special Forces. His plan was well-conceived and likely would have succeeded. In my opinion, it was the only clear and workable plan conceived by anyone on our side and on the side of the Southerners throughout the whole course of the war.
In a previous life, I was a prosopographer, strictly civilian, and in the days when even the word had to be explained.
From what he's posted above, I should have to say OKCSubmariner has talent, and considerable understanding of method.
Was the General, in your recollection, specific about what and whom he meant by "French influence"?
Best regards. S&W R.I.P.
Was the General, in your recollection, specific about what and whom he meant by "French influence"?
I probably should have said earlier that I understood him to mean the French military hierarchy in Viet Nam. I don't think he believed there was pressure from Paris but that the General Officer corps in VN saw him as an obstacle to retaking the country. Even in Diem's day Landsdale saw the French as having far too much ability to administratively obstruct and undermine Diem, and the efforts of Landsdale himself.
(I don't much about the vietnamese language, but it always bothers me when I am unable to cross the "D" when called for -- silly, but.....)
Thanks for the details.
There was also pressure, and subsversion, from French Communists with ties to the North.
Lake's later approach to Kissinger just before the Paris Peace talks also merits close study.
Even Kissinger, thick as he was, seems to have suspected funny business.
Best regards. S&W R.I.P.
(I don't much about the vietnamese language, but it always bothers me when I am unable to cross the "D" when called for -- silly, but.....)
Same here. Spose one could use "dj" or some other Romanization.. Now and then, I have have a use for Big 5, since I dislike Beijing Romanization, but I can't say I know any Vietnamese beyond occasionally being able to identify cognates, probably wrongly.
Had a long conversation with a ARVN Colonel one brisk afternoon in front of Madonna della Strada. But that was in French and English, with perhaps a bit of Chinese thrown in. He did not tell me much new, but he added weight to suspicions I'd had for some time.
If the climate improves, maybe I'll retail a small meeting with one of the Bundys I was collared into attending sometime after the fall of Diem.
Young and stupid at the time, I was still hard to persuade, and had no interest in persuading anyone else either.
Some of the references I mentioned are readily available in translation, but I don't have the citations readily at hand.
Well, at the very least I'm no longer young.
Best regards. S&W R.I.P.
I've had lots of conversations with South Vietnamese who were "in the loop" during the war" but can't say I learned much either. They knew my bias so I always suspected they were playing to it, and most of what they had to say that was outside my area of interest I had no way of knowing how much was truly legit, how much was manipulative to a degree, and how much might be colored by convenient memory.
I got pretty close to one of the many expatriate community "leaders" and got to trust him on things that currently mattered, but still couldn't be sure about his rendition of the past.
He hooked me up with some really interesting folks as he was trying to help me help him solidify his leadership position among his huge cohort of expatriate Vietnamese. He had me talking by phone to people in France, Australia, and even once, Laos.
Interesting times (mid-late '80s). Oh, BTW, it was through him that I spent some time individually with Lansdale, Colby, and Thieu. Would have liked to have taped the conversations, but the nature of the meetings would have made it inappropriate. I was in over my head as it was.
Also, since you mention "young and dumb," at that time I assumed Colby and Lansdale were at least semi- bad guys, and that Thieu wasn't! I now think I had it reversed, though few people in that world are all one way or the other.
Thinking of things now which haven't been on my radar for a few years. I would go to these big meetings with a 1000+ Vietnamese and see some of the men obviously held in the highest esteem, holding chairmanships of their "Leadership Council" or "Executive Council" reporesenting 10s of thousands. Then I'd visit them at home or work and find they lived humbly and worked 16 hours a day in their little grocery stores or dry cleaning shops, working the cash register and talking to colleagues around the world by phone, seemingly all day every day.
They were amazing people. So many gave most of what they earned to "the cause" which of course was freeing Vietnam from communism. Many of the people I met got captured or killed (so I was told) in Laos and Cambodia trying to infiltrate SVN to organize resistance. Some made it into Vietnam and lasted quite a while, but my understanding is that they all ended up dead.
Some of their ideas to build resistance and to undermine the government in Vietnam were quite creative. Don't know how much was implemented or how much good any of it may have done. But a lot of good people apparently lost their lives trying to do their best for their country and the apparent ultimate futility of it saddens me greatly.
I get particularly riled when some of our American false heroes do things which strengthen the hand of the government in Hanoi, or derogate the families of the missing for having the gall to complain about being lied to.
Enough of this....... I'm getting p!$$3d now and I started this pleasantly reminiscing.
My article discusses Al-Amoudi and the American Muslim Council and their ties to questionable campaign contributions to CLinton/Gore and Arab terrorists. Well, here is more substantiation that Clinton(Bill&Hillary) are in bed with terrorists:
On Tuesday, the New York Daily News quoted the American Muslim Council official (Al-Amoudi)saying, "We are all supporters of Hamas. ... I am also a supporter of Hezbollah."
Another devastating revelation: ALAMOUDI WAS DISCOVERED TO BEOE ON THE CLINTON STATE DEPATEMENT PAYROLL.
Hezbollah is believed to be responsible for the 1983 bomb attack on a U.S. military barracks in Beirut, taking the lives of 241 Marines.
The three paragraphs above were excerpted from the following article posted by CHIEF negotiator (sent to me by aristedes):
Lazio Hammers Hillary with NewsMax Scoop, Wins 5-Point Lead
Source: NewsMax.com
Published: Wednesday November 1, 2000; 4:20 PM ET
Author: Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
This REALLY makes one wonder about the Clinton coverup/involvement of arab terrorists in the bombing of USS Cole and the Murrah building in OKC. Please pass along to all those who would be interested.
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I can't help but wonder if these Arabs are the same ones that Hillary was meeting with during her Senate campaign. It would not be unlike her to seek out illeagal donations.
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"Jack Kelly reported in an October 29, 1999, article of U.S.A. Today, entitled "Saudi Money Aiding Bin Laden," that Capitol Trust Bank of New York and London was being investigated by U.S. and British officials for allegedly transferring millions of dollars to terrorist Bin Laden from five top Saudi Arabian businessmen. It is very disturbing that the banker who heads up Capitol Trust Bank, Mohammed Alamoudi, has legally been represented in Washington D.C., by Vernon Jordan, a close confidante of Clinton with ties to Gore.
Furthermore, note that Alamoudi is the same last name of the individual Timmerman reported had ties to Ed Gabriel, Arab terrorists and Al Gore and those who had arranged questionable if not illegal contributions to the Gore/Clinton campaign in 1996. It is not known whether or not Mohammed and Abdulrahuran Alamoudi are related or unrelated or know each other.
Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher accused the US State Department and its Assistant Secretary, Karl Inderfurth, of withholding key documents from Congress that Rohrabacher claimed would show that the Clinton and Gore administration had supported the Taliban militia in Afghanistan. This story was reported by the UPI and author Joe Warminsky on October 20, 1999. The Taliban has widely been acknowledged as hiding and protecting the terrorist Bin Laden.
Another troubling connection between terrorist Bin Laden and the Clinton and Gore administration is the DOJ and FBI handling of an Egyptian, Ali Mohammed, who worked directly for Bin Laden and the CIA and the FBI and the Green Berets and was involved in Arab terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Ali first worked training Green Berets, then worked for the CIA before becoming an FBI operative out of Sacramento, California from 1992 to 1996.
Ali was indicted in New York in late 1998 for helping Bin Laden do the bombings of the World Trade Center and the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. He was also indicted for setting up and training Bin Laden terrorist cells in the US. When arrested he had manuals for how to hide explosives in public buildings. He is suspected of helping Bin Laden by writing terrorist training manuals for Bin Laden.
...It was reported by the New York Times that the FBI had detailed plans and advanced warnings for over five months for the bombings of the embassies and the World Trade Center and nothing adequate was done to try to stop the bombings. The FBI and the Mad Bombers
Did Ali and El Hage provide information to the FBI in advance about these bombings? Did Clinton and Gore and Reno order the FBI to ignore the advanced warnings and plans that the FBI did have even if they did not come from Ali and El Hage? Was Lake involved in not stopping these bombings? Was there a mole or spy in the administration? Or were the bombings deliberately allowed or caused to happen? Were the Clinton and Gore administration’s connections to Bin Laden at play in not stopping these Bin Laden bombings??
Steve Emerson, a noted terrorism expert and producer of "Jihad In American" for PBS, wrote an editorial for the Wall Street Journal on March 13, 1996 entitled "Friends of Hamas In the White House." Emerson said "the contacts between the White House and Islamic radicals began on November 9, 1995, when President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore met with Abdulrahman Alamoudi, executive director of the American Muslim Council (AMC), as part of a meeting with 23 Muslim and Arab leaders."
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Would these people do ANYTHING for a buck? How schizoid Hillary's brain must be, how could she sit at that memorial service this AM?
Didn't some of her NY Senate seat campaign donations also come from Arabs and/or Palestinians, un-reported soft money or some such ilk? I forget.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3ba1ae817775.htm for one.
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Thanks for posting this. Bump for later reading...
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I'm in overload.
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I'll be basting in this for days to come. When the name of either Clinton, or Gore for that matter comes into play, then we all realize that they could and would be involved in anything that is criminal...that's just a given.
Now I am far from being smart, so I wished someone, or many would explain to me why Bush will not let any investigation go forward on the Clinton's and their past administration? This was the most corrupt and evil group in the history of this great nation, Bush seems to be scared to death of any of them. WHY?
Does anyone have any links to add to this?
William Grigg, writing in the April 14, 1997 issue of the New American Magazine...
You lost me right at that point - the hysterical, breathless reporting at TNA on the various cabals, conspiracies and plots against good order and persecuted white guyness....
Here's an another. The Clintons,Abdurahman Alamoudi,and the Myth of "Moderate"Islam .
Didn't some of her NY Senate seat campaign donations also come from Arabs and/or Palestinians, un-reported soft money or some such ilk? I forget.
Yeah. She took money from the American Muslim Council and tried to list it on her campaign finance reporting forms as the American Museum Council. These people are evil. fsf
With respect to reply #192
But you should not disregard Timmerman's and Jack Kelly's articles (USA Today) referenced in the article.
Sounds like you are looking for a lame excuse to try to convince others to ignore the main theme of this article just becasue you do not like the New American.
The main theme still stands without reference to the New American article.
I really wish people who write articles like this with soooo many names and organizations would present it in a graphic form, like an org chart or block diagram.
BTTT and please see replies #36 and #40.
Good point.
I have tried mapping some of this out before with Power Point charts. If done with the big picture theme for the chart blocks it can add some understanding to the big picture.
However, I have found that the lines connecting the chart blocks can start to look like interlocking spaghetti where it then becomes hard and confusing to read the chart. You have to know what connections to which blocks on the chart are the most important. The Arabs know this very well. Just look at all the different money trails that Bin Laden and AlQaeda and other Islamic terror groups are involved in. It is a nightmere to trace it all and some of it can be diversionary (on purpose on their part).
You also have to do the charts with it in mind that new blocks will be added and old ones will be changed with different linkages-it is an ever changing pattern with frequent changes-it is a labryinthian spider web with little symmetry or repeating patterns.
199 Posted on 09/28/2001 18:02:03 PDT by BlueDogDemo (*)Anthony Lake should have a Capital C, on his chest, and from the dialog that you and Hopalong had here, I think you agree---
Starting with his activities during the White Star era of Vietnam, to his sudden departure from the Nixon organization, over his dispute with our invasion of Cambodia.
He then meet the fellow McGovernites, Bill and Hillary Clinton, whom shared a socialist agenda until his ugly debut as a possible candidate for CIA director---those that knew him always asked, "Just what was his relationship with Orlando Letelier, of Soviet KGB and Cugan DGI fame?", and then his added friendship and help with Philip Agee, and "CounterSpy", should be enough to stamp the big C on anything associated with him?
Then to top off a career of deceipt, his involvement in the Iranian shipments of weapons to Bosnia, should put the last nail in his history?
If it looks like a duck?
Regards,
Stmoritz.
200 Posted on 09/28/2001 19:19:46 PDT by rwzbump.
nice show with andy dlinn.
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201 Posted on 10/01/2001 11:42:34 PDT by hattend
202 Posted on 10/01/2001 11:42:43 PDT by hattend
203 Posted on 10/05/2001 16:15:08 PDT by eniapmot
Keep the Faith for Freedom
MAY GOD BLESS AND PROTECT THIS HONORABLE REPUBLIC
204 Posted on 10/05/2001 16:19:15 PDT by gwmoore
205 Posted on 11/04/2001 14:40:26 PST by backhoe
206 Posted on 11/12/2001 20:08:53 PST by WOOHOO
207 Posted on 11/18/2001 21:08:40 PST by Howlin
208 Posted on 11/19/2001 11:57:53 PST by Texaggie79
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