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Aircraft Carriers of the World

Foreign Affairs Front Page Editorial Keywords: MILITARY, NAVY, AIRCRAFT CARRIERS
Source: Give me Liberty or Give me Death Web Site
Published: 16-November-2000 Author: Jeff Head
Posted on 11/16/2000 16:26:34 PST by Jeff Head

AIRCRAFT CARRIERS OF THE WORLD
& THEIR ESCORTS



The aircraft carrier has come to represent power projection throughout the world for the powers who can afford them. Clearly, the United States of America is by far and away the leader of all nations in experience with, and ownership of, these expensive but very powerful assets. Other "traditional" major powers also have developed some modern history with the use of such capital ships as tools for power projection.

While it has always been almost expected that such assets were exclusively the domain of the "major" powers such as the United States, England, France, etc., more and more countries are making the investment in acquiring the smaller, "Sea Control" ships that can accomplish the purpose. Particularly as new generations of VTOL and STOL aircraft, such as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) come online, the capabilities of these smaller "carriers" will become more and more pronounced.

In all cases, it is critical that the countries who are developing such power projection assets also develop and have on hand the means of protecting said assets from air, surface and sub-surface threats. This calls for "escort" ships with these capabilities.

The following is a current list of the various nations who currently employ the world's aircraft carriers:

AIRCRAFT CARRIERS OF THE WORLD AND WHO OWNS HTEM
CountryFull Deck CarriersSea Control/VTOL Carriers
United States12 11
England 3
France 2
Brazil 2
Russia1
Italy1
Spain1
India1
Thailand1
Japan1

Although their ability to project power and control sea lanes and airspace is very desirable, these ships are very expensive to build, operate and maintain. Currently, the United States has twenty-three such vessels, while the rest of the world has a total of thirteen.

The following are pictures of the various general aricraft carrier types and their escorts from each of the above named countries:

UNITED STATES


The "grand daddy" of all carriers, the Nimitz class and their pre-iminent escort, the Aegis cruiser.


The strongest "Sea Control" ship, the Wasp Class and the most capable destoyer, the Aegis Burke class.


Amphibious Assault/"Sea Control" Carrier, Tarawa Class and a Spuance Class destroyer.

ENGLAND


The first "Jump Jet" or VTOL carriers, the Invincible Class and their Type 42 class escort.


The new Ocean Class Helicopter/Jump Jet carrier and a Type 23 destroyer class.

FRANCE


The French indigenous Clemenceau Class Carrier and a George Leygues class destroyer.


The new nuclear French carrier De Gaulle and a Cassard class destroyer.

BRAZIL


The older, but still operational Minas Gerais carrier and a Parana class destroyer


The new (former Foch just transferred from France) Sao Paulo carrier and a Type 22 class.

RUSSIA


The full deck/size Kuznetsov carrier and its mammoth escort, the Kirov class cruiser.


A Russian Sovremenny class destroyer.

ITALY


The fine Italian Garibaldi Sea Control Carrier and a DeLa Penne class destroyer.

SPAIN


The Spanish Asturias jump jet carrier and their new Aegis F101 class destroyer.

INDIA


The old, venerable Virrant Carrier and a Delhi class destoyer.

THAILAND


The new Chakri Naruebet Sea Control carrier and a Knox class frigate.

JAPAN


The new Ohsumi Amphibious Assault/Jump Jet Carrier and a Aegis Kongo class destroyer.


A Murasame class destroyer and a Hatakaze class destroyer.

COMPARISON: US NIMIZ CLASS (CVN) vs. UK INVINSIBLE CLASS (CVV)



Compiled by : Jeff Head
Emmett, ID
November 2000

Thought folks might be interested in seeing this information as carriers are sprouting up (mostly of the smaller "Sea Control" variety) all over the world.

Semper Fi!

1 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:26:34 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Travis McGee, Squantos

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

2 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:27:49 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: cva66snipe, grunt03

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

3 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:27:56 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: SLB, Covenantor, the irate magistrate, Fred Mertz

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

4 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:28:17 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Joanie-f, critter, dukie, Mike Gallutia

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

5 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:28:37 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: noumenon, Lurker, OWK

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

6 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:28:53 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: The Shrew, Buckeroo, Uriel1975, Sandy, fod

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

7 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:29:21 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: TAdams8591, snopercod, McGavin999

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

8 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:29:56 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Topaz, Chapita, tet68, copycat

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

9 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:30:26 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: SuperLuminal, M Kehoe, knarf, Wai-ming, Luis Gonzales

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

10 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:30:37 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: A Navy Vet, Always a Marine, rowdee, soundbits

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

11 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:31:41 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: meadsjn, John R. (Bob) Locke

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

12 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:32:03 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: griffin, MUDBOY SLIM, Eustace, betty boop

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

13 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:32:34 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society, archy, CONSERVE, The Squid

FYI, a little research I've done and something to ease the mind a bit from the goings on of the day.

14 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:33:53 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Bump and thanks for the great pix.

15 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:35:18 PST by tet68
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To: tet68

Most folks aren't aware how many nations are acquiring these capital ships.

Some great pics out there.

16 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:37:19 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Cool pictures! One small quibble - the Type 23 (Duke class) ships are typically classed frigates...

A minor ship that doesn't appear here is:
France - 'Jeanne d'Arc' (helicopter carrier)
Also, what happened to the old 'Baku' (Adm. Gorshkov? - the final variant of the Kiev). Did they finally scrap that beast?

-SV

17 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:38:02 PST by Saturn_V
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To: Jeff Head

Wow, great side by side photo at the end there, thanks.

18 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:39:22 PST by porch swing
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To: Jeff Head

It took a while to load on my old laptop, but worth the wait. I'll send it on to a buddy who spent 20 years in the Navy.

19 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:44:10 PST by Pharmboy
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To: Jeff Head

USS Gridley, escort of the USS Okinawa

Another shot of the Gridley

USS Barbey

Another shot of the USS Barbey

USS Okinawa, LPH-3

20 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:46:35 PST by RaceBannon
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To: Saturn_V

You're right, the Type 23 is classed as a frigate, but in terms of it's displacement (it's only fifty tons lighter than the Type 42 Batch 2's) and its weapons loadout (8 Harpoon, 1 Sea Wolf VLS (32 missiles), 1 114mm/55, 2 30 mm, 4 torpedo tubes) ... it's really a destroyer IMHO.

The Baku was renamed Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov on Oct.4 1990 and later shortened to simply Admiral Gorshkov. Here it is from earlier years:

Russia and India signed a memorandum of understanding during Russian Prime Minister, Yevgeny Primakov's visit to New Delhi in December 1998, in which India agreed to acquire the Gorshkov. In October 2000, during Russian President Vladimir Putin's visit, an agreement was signed confirming the acquisition of the vessel for the Indian Navy. Reportedly the price has not yet been finalised by both parties and this could cause delays in the induction of the vessel into the Indian Navy.

Regards.

21 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:51:30 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Great Pictures.

Did you see the news of the world's largest unmanned submarine being launched in North Idaho? Caught me by surprize too.

22 Posted on 11/16/2000 16:57:30 PST by meadsjn
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To: RaceBannon

Race, Those ships are all memories, long gone. But hey, they're good memories.

23 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:01:00 PST by The Squid
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To: RaceBannon

I believe all but one the Iwo Jima class are retired now, the last, the MCS 12 Inchon was actually converted to a Mine Countermeasures Ship (MCS) in 1996 and is still active, embarking a wing of Sea Dragon (MH 53E) minesweeping helicopters and a repair and re-supply facility for MCM 1 AVENGER Class ships and MHC 51 OSPREY Class coastal minehunters.

The Know are all retired and many sold to other countries, the CG Leahy class are all long gone now too.

24 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:02:52 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

I know nothing about ships, but I have sure enjoyed this comparison of the different ships and the nations they represent.

That Nimitz must by freepin' humongous!

25 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:03:17 PST by knarf
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To: RaceBannon

Ooops! Know = Knox.

26 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:04:08 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: knarf

Largest class of warships ever built. Displace about 100,000 tons.

IMHO, the only other carriers here who carry planes that have the range to have any prayer of getting close to them would be the French and Russian ... and maybe those two Brazilian flat tops ... but any of them would be hopelessly out classed in any case.

Also, IMHO, the real danger comes from beneath (SSN's) and from saturation missile attacks or particularly nuclear cruise missiles.

... or, with lax security, in harbor.

27 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:08:51 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: meadsjn

Had not, am still on a job down here in Tejas. Where? What?

28 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:10:00 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks Jeff, I needed a break!

29 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:10:48 PST by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999

Me too.

30 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:17:16 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the pix! They are awesome ships. I'd love to see one in person, sometime.

31 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:18:06 PST by freedom4ever
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To: freedom4ever

There are a couple of "older" carriers who have museums that you can visit. All of them are larger than most of the "VTOL" or "Jump Jet" carriers shown on this page. Here's some links:

USS Lexington, Corpus Christi, TX

USS Hornet, Alemeda, CA

USS Midway, San Diego, CA (under construction)

There is also an effort to get the USS Forrestal to be a museum in Baltimore Harbor. Here's a site to that effort:

USS Forrestal Museum

32 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:33:54 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Nice work.

33 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:43:29 PST by Flashman_at_the_charge
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

Thanks.

Many of the VTOL ships will become much more effective and lethal with the advent of the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program over the next few years ... at least our allies who may get that aircraft.

34 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:48:15 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the break, Jeff.

Here's a recent article from the Newport News, VA Daily Press concerning the status of our nation's newest flattop, the USS Ronald Reagan, CVN-76.

Seems the Reagan will have a redesigned island structure.

No pictures in the article, for obvious reasons.  But if they've put the island in place, launching can only be a few months away.



Rising to the occasion
Yard lowers Reagan's command center

By Fred Tannenbaum
Daily Press
Sunday Nov. 12, 2000

 NEWPORT NEWS - "The ones that were built at Newport News Shipbuilding... those that slid into the James River with their bows still sticky with champagne, ah, they are the blue bloods of U.S. maritime history." -- William S. Ellis, National Geographic, July 1985.

 The six-story steel nerve center that will guide the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan eased up from the concrete apron next to the massive ship, seemingly buoyed by applause and hoots that rose with it from the ship's first sailors.

 Using its 900-ton-capacity Goliath gantry crane, Newport News Shipbuilding on Saturday morning hoisted a redesigned "island" at least 60 feet, eased it across the supercarrier's flight deck and then gently, precisely lowered it into place on the port side.

 The island is a 100-foot-long, 650-ton tower from which the ship and her air operations are controlled. It also gives an aircraft carrier its distinctive profile.

 It will bear mute witness as screaming jets leap from the ship's deck and return. In peace, certainly. And in war, if necessary.

 As the light blue, 22-story crane edged the island into place, its motion alarm bleated and hardhatted workers blew coaches' whistles in a staccato cadence warning others to stay out of the way. The 100,000-ton ship will remain in its birthplace, Dry Dock 12 or "12 Dock," for about four more months.

 "It's amazing," said Reagan crewman and Chief Photographers Mate Michael Cole as the hulking gray structure with red, white and blue bunting silently drifted about 10 feet in front of him.

 The island is the first to be designed since the Nimitz-class carriers were planned in the 1960s. The Reagan is the ninth member of the class and the shipyard's 29th flat-top.

 The island is 20 feet longer to accommodate a radar mast and enclosed weapons elevator, said Harold Paxton, the Reagan's program director. It is six decks tall instead of seven, but the ceiling on each level is nine inches taller to handle more wiring and fiber optics. Areas overlooking the flight deck have more space and larger windows.

 Shipyard officials said the island also is the first to be designed using a 3-D computer model and built indoors in a massive assembly building.

 The 1,100-foot-long carrier itself also has several features, including a bullet-shaped bow and fewer arresting cables, to be repeated in the next ship, now known as CVN-77.

 "This ship has been a challenge with the level of transition we've had in it," D. Scott Stabler II, the shipyard's vice president of carrier construction said, as the structure was lowered into place.

 "But the shipbuilders here have risen to the occasion, and this island is an example of that."

 The lifting of fully assembled islands has become a big event and source of pride among shipyard officials and workers. Newport News Shipbuilding began the practice about 20 years ago when it began building carriers in sections call "superlifts." Of the 190 or so superlifts making up a carrier, the Reagan needs only three more.

 "We're working our way to 'show time,' " Stabler told an audience on the flight deck during a morning ceremony. The island still hung a few inches from its final location behind him.

 The ship's prospective skipper, Navy Capt. John Goodwin, placed a gold medallion honoring President Reagan's promotion of national pride and a pair of prized Naval aviator's gold wings beneath the island before it was lowered. He also flicked a switch turning on lights outlining the large ship's pendant numbers: 76.

 "National Pride is the essence of what Newport News Shipbuilding is doing here today on board Ronald Reagan," Goodwin said. "National Pride are the sailors that stand around you and serve on Ronald Reagan."

 The lift is the latest milestone in the fledgling life of the ship, whose keel was laid in February 1998 and will be christened March 4. That date is the former president's and Nancy Reagan's 49th wedding anniversary, shipyard officials said. Mrs. Reagan is the ship's sponsor.

 The ship should be delivered to the Navy in February 2003.

35 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:52:29 PST by Al B.
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To: Jeff Head

India is supposed to be receiving the "Kiev" modified class carrier"Gorshkov" from Russia.This is a large carrier,although technically not a full deck ship like the "Kuznetsov".India is building up quite a large modern navy with numerous Russian built submarines,and locally built guided missile destroyers of the "Delhi" class.Kind of like a Tom Clancy novel,wouldn't you say?

36 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:53:47 PST by steamroller
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To: OldDominion,Joe Montana

FYI

37 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:55:24 PST by Al B.
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To: MadIvan, tonycavanagh, Angelique, AppyPappy

Thought you might enjoy the pics.

38 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:56:39 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

It's some kind of research sub at the Pend O'Reille Naval facility. Supposedly the water is deeper in some spots than Al Gore's BS. (sorry, I couldn't resist)

The local newspapers had pictures of the christening, but we couldn't read the article without buying the whole paper.

39 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:56:57 PST by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head

GREAT PICS! and thanks for the break.
I was on this one for awhile. (de-commished now)

USS BUCHANAN DDG-14

40 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:57:19 PST by red-dawg
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To: steamroller

They are modernizing and their Godarvi class is not too bad either.

Regarding the former Russian "Baku", see my post number 21.

Regards.

41 Posted on 11/16/2000 17:58:47 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

There was a hoot of a thread on the French carrier, the DeGaulle, a year or more ago. Its deck is too short, and it can't match the knots of the ancient carrier Foch it was built to replace. One freeper asked, "Does that mean it's slower than Foch?"

42 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:02:24 PST by VadeRetro
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To: Jeff Head

Alas, can't seem to search on the thread but here's the article:

PARIS (Reuters) - France's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the butt of jokes after disastrous initial sea trials, has a new problem -- its flight deck is too short.

Officials, reacting to an article Friday in the daily newspaper Le Parisien, confirmed the flight deck of the 20 billion franc ($3.5 billion) Charles de Gaulle might have to be lengthened by four meters (13 feet).

The carrier, which took 10 years to build, was designed in the mid-1980s, long before the French navy decided its complement of combat aircraft should be backed by airborne warning and control planes (AWACs.) The navy has since purchased several twin-engine EC2 Hawkeye AWACs planes from the United States of which two or three will be aboard the Charles de Gaulle.

``These are the most up-to-date Hawkeyes and they did not exist when the carrier was designed,'' an armed forces spokesman told reporters.

He said that in tests conducted in the United States it was found that in the most unfavorable weather the planes would be able to land but would find themselves at the very end of the deck when they did.

``They will not be able to safely pivot and turn around under their own power to head back to the center of the deck as things now stand. Of course, we can pull them back with tractors but it would still be better if the deck was longer and they could operate independently,'' a senior official told Reuters.

Further tests are expected but the official said if it was decided to lengthen the deck, the work would not prevent the ship from being operational next year.

The 34,600-tonne Charles de Gaulle had to abort its first sea trials in January due to propulsion problems.

Engineers then said there were several failures involving an electric motor linked to the main engines and that repairs could take anywhere from several days to several weeks.

The carrier can carry 40 planes and will replace France's last surviving aircraft carrier, the Foch, which has been in service for nearly 40 years.

Despite the high-technology on the new ship, the Foch can travel faster than the Charles de Gaulle -- 32 knots against 27.

43 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:06:22 PST by VadeRetro
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To: Al B.

Sounds like they are implementing (as planned) part of the tranisitionary design for the CVN-77 into the Reagan. Great!

The CVN-77 will go even further towards the nex CVX which is the next generation CVN to start building mid this decade. Here's an artst's line art impression:

... and here's a good read on the CVX:

CVX

44 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:07:21 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

I think India just got the carrier Admiral Gorshkov from Russia. I can't find the post, but it is supposed to get a refit or has already.

45 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:11:25 PST by Sawdring
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To: VadeRetro

After sea trials, on their first deployment (now), one of the propellers broke and the ship is right now underway back to France to go into dry dock for repairs.

The DeGaulle had to abort a visit to Norfolk as a result. A real shame and you can bet a real embarassing situation for the French. Particularly the crew ... had to have been quite a let down.

In the mean time, the Foch has already been sold and transferred to the Brazilians (per the pics above).

46 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:11:41 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Sawdring

It's not commissioned or active yet, so I didn;t include it. However, I spoke of it at some length in my post number 21

47 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:13:02 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: red-dawg

We need to change the name of the Buchanan.

48 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:13:17 PST by Cato
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To: red-dawg

Great ships! Charles F. Adams class.

Built in the 50's and 60's and finally retired in the 1990's. Very capable, very upgradeable. If the New Threat Upgrade (NTU) had been done on these, they'd still be with us.

I know several of our allies still have these ships in service.

49 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:16:45 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Here's a link to the online article in CDA Press:

Sub christening makes a big splash

50 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:17:33 PST by meadsjn
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To: Jeff Head

Ah, sorry, didn't read the whole post. Last I heard Russia was going to give the carrier to India because the refit would cost more than the carrier itself. Do you know where they are going to refit it, in India or Russia?

51 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:22:53 PST by Sawdring
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the flag great pictures. If the election goes to the GOP maybe the ship that bears this nations name will once again be underway. The USS America CV-66 A Kitty Hawk class carrier and the second newest conventional powered carrier is mothballed in Philly yards waiting to be cut to scrap. No museum planned. www.ussamerica.org the USS America Carrier Veterans Association has a preservation project that is trying to salvage the island for a memorial.

52 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:23:06 PST by cva66snipe (United States Ship America CVA-66 77-80)
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff, Go Ahead! Warm the cockles of this ol' Tailhooker's heart! Go Ahead!

Thanks, I needed that break from this Alice in Wonderland election we are trying to resolve!

Great pics. Brought back some very fond old pilot and Landing Signal Officer memories.

"If your airplane does not have a round engine, a tailwheel and a tailhook, it is not a real airplane!"

“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800.]

Scrap the Code! Scrap the IRS! Abolish the VLWC!

We will never be a truly free people so long as we have Clinton/Gore, the income tax and the IRS.

53 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:25:15 PST by Taxman (fdavis@salestax.org)
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To: meadsjn

The 111-foot-long craft, a large scale model of the U.S.S. Virginia attack submarine, will test technologies to improve the acoustic and operating performance of future submarines.

GREAT article. The USS Virginia (SSN-774) will be the first ship in a new class of attack submarines meant to follow onto the Seawolf. Sounds like they have a working, about 30% size mock-up ready to do a lot of testing. Wish I could have seen that there in Northern Idaho!

54 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:25:43 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Sawdring

Probably India, but I do not know.

55 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:27:11 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: cva66snipe

I hope we build things back up very soon.

Getting the America back on line would be a great thing ... as long as she had the supporting battle group and auxillaries to keep her fit and trim!

56 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:29:13 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Taxman

Amen and roger to your last my friend.

Add to those sentiments all of the other grievances listed here :

A Modern American Declaration of Liberty

57 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:30:39 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you for flagging me. Wonderful montage! I started taking an interest when my boss starting telling me stories about his two tours in Vietnam on a carrier.

58 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:45:42 PST by Angelique
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To: Jeff Head

RE: #14

Thank you for the ping.

And thank you for the absolutely outstanding "diversion" as you called it. The pictures are too cool. Society award for excellence!!

59 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:52:52 PST by Chairman_December_19th_Society
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To: Jeff Head

Getting the America back on line would be a great thing ... as long as she had the supporting battle group and auxillaries to keep her fit and trim!

Most of the battle group is there or in other bone yards as well.

60 Posted on 11/16/2000 18:56:26 PST by cva66snipe (United States Ship America CVA-66 77-80)
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To: Jeff Head

Yeah, the Type 23 is pretty much a destroyer. I think the reason it's typically called a frigate is that it's original role was ASW. With the retirement/sale of the early Type 22s, it's become a multi-role boat...

-SV

61 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:07:36 PST by Saturn_V
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To: Jeff Head Foghat

Bttt.

See what I mean, Fog.

5.56mm

62 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:12:38 PST by M Kehoe
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To: Jeff Head

Ok, no mention of the undersea escorts, huh? The bubble heads won't take to kindly to that.

So, in the interest of fairness to all Squids, I will ask Jeff to post a picture of a Los Angeles class attack sub.

Jeff?

5.56mm

63 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:18:13 PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe, Jeff Head

Thanks for the heads-up M Kehoe. Great post Jeff!

64 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:21:29 PST by Foghat
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To: Jeff Head

As a Marine the Wasp looks pretty formidable. I spent 7 months on the USS Tarawa LHA-1 in 1983. She is looking pretty ship-shape.

"Here's to the US NAVY!"

Regards,

TS

65 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:45:53 PST by The Shrew
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To: Jeff Head

Cool stuff! My God, the firepower we have...if I weren't grateful for our seamen, engineers and shipbuilders, I'd almost say it was unfair.

Semper Fi. I went to boot at MCRD in 1988 and got a medical discharge a month in...very much regretfully.

66 Posted on 11/16/2000 19:54:43 PST by Benrand
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the flag on this.

Good work!

Stand fast......Covenantor

67 Posted on 11/16/2000 20:09:22 PST by Covenantor
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To: Jeff Head

Enjoyed the heck out of your post. Thanks! It is a nice break in the "other" news of the day.

68 Posted on 11/16/2000 20:29:02 PST by TheLion
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To: Jeff Head

You mean we still have all of those big boats but, Clinton and the Democrats haven't sold them off to the Chicoms yet?

69 Posted on 11/16/2000 23:29:42 PST by the irate magistrate
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To: tet68

India has an aircraft carrier?
Learn sumpin new every day.
Does their aircraft carrier, um, work?

70 Posted on 11/16/2000 23:35:10 PST by Angel923
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks Jeff, if we were ever in need now is the time. Stay Safe and remember to let me in on your travel plans.

71 Posted on 11/17/2000 01:36:44 PST by Squantos
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To: Jeff Head

Cheers Jeff

Always happy to look at the other services kit

Looks like the Royal Navy is going to have two new carriers. The Strategic Defence Review (SDR) announced plans to replace the current carriers from around 2012, by two larger, more versatile carriers, capable of carrying a more powerful force, including a future carrier borne aircraft (FCBA) to replace the Harrier, I have heard it may be a navel variant of the Typhoon.

I still have fond/Not so fond memories of HMS Hermes, the Commando carrier, when taking part in exercises of Norway, and Scotland.

Tony

72 Posted on 11/17/2000 02:16:40 PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Jeff Head

It looks like the world is preparing for war instead of peace, which is what I figure anyway. The same banking families that fed our Civil War (and others), WWI and WWII, Korea and Vietnam, are appearantly still busy. They are creating a situation so that world government can be their solution.

73 Posted on 11/17/2000 04:31:59 PST by Eustace
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To: Angelique, cva66snipe, The Squid, chapita, Travis Mcgee, Squantos and all

Most folks are not aware of it, but we came very close to losing a couple of carriers off the coast of Vietnam when ordinance on aircraft went off amongst other armed aircraft.

Here's a couple of links that tells the tale of the brave sailors who fought those fires and saved the ships:

USS Oriskany October 27, 1966 (44 were lost).

USS Forrestal July 29, 1967 (134 were lost).

Added to the normal hazards of carrier operations, and the combat operations involved with their strike aircraft, these inidents should give us all pause as we reflect on the service rendered and sacrifices made by those who served there.

74 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:35:59 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Great pictures. Thanks for posting. Guess I ought to buy some server space and provide the same service for the Army. I imagine the comments would be a little dicey if I posted pictures of a LAV.

75 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:36:12 PST by SLB
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society

No problem, glad to provide it.

76 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:37:41 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Big Targets

STS2/SS Thomas Wagner

77 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:41:24 PST by bmwcyle
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To: M Kehoe

Right you are on the "silent service" ... but they prefer the quiet and not to be pointed out.

However, per your request, and so there can be no doubt regarding there service to the carriers, here's an LA class making it's presence known:


78 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:42:31 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Benrand

When it comes to protecting our shores and our liberties ... I want it to be unfair!

79 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:43:36 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Angel923

They are in the process of acquiring another one.

They had another older one, but it is now out of service. The existing flat top, the Virrant, has been plagued by maintenance problems. It is an older, refurbished British carrier.

80 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:45:42 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: tonycavanagh

Here's a GREAT link which talk in some detail anout the RN's future CV(F):

Royal Navy's CV(F) Plans

The Hermes is now the Indian Virrant, bought from the Royal Navy in 1986 and transferred in 1987.

Here's another view of the same:

Recognize the old girl?

81 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:50:41 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks! Nothing here about the election!!!!:)

82 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:56:08 PST by R. Scott
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the information.
It's great to read about something other than Florida.

83 Posted on 11/17/2000 05:59:09 PST by Angel923
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To: Jeff Head

1. I thought Argentina had a carrier.

2. What are the Brazilians flying off their carriers (Besides Skyhawks it looks like)?

84 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:05:30 PST by AppyPappy
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To: Jeff Head

Cheers, I hope they got rid of the stale smell of puke and sweaty bodies, blocked toilets mixed with fuel. I have never been on a American Commando Carrier, what was the Marines quarters like

Cheers Tony

85 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:07:51 PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Jeff Head

I really enjoyed the pictures. If you update this in about five years you might have to ad China to the list. Maybe they'll invite Clinton to break the champagne bottle across the bow when one's commissioned.

86 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:09:58 PST by Fair Paul
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To: AppyPappy

The Argentine carrier, the Vientecinco de Mayo , had been moored since 1993 because of her high operating costs and faulty engines. In January of 1999 she was towed away for scrapping in India.

87 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:24:23 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Interesting! BUMP

88 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:24:49 PST by Chapita
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To: tonycavanagh

In Indian service, the maintenance has been poor and if anything, the conditions you named have probably gotten worse.

In an earlier comment, The Shrew mentioned he was onboard the Tarawa in 1983 and can probably address the Marine quarters directly. My understanding is that on the Tarawa and the Wasp classes those quarters are among the best in the world relative to other similar ships.

89 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:26:51 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

The Americans always had better quaters, PX stores were brill , any sqaddy who went to a US base was always given a shopping list. British equipment wasnt bad, it would do, but gucci kit always helped.

Cheers Tony

90 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:32:48 PST by tonycavanagh
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To: Fair Paul

The ChiComms are agressively looking at adding a carrier and my understanding is that they are already starting to train pilots in carrier operations (as best they can) from some of their land bases.

Clinton would be aan appropriate individual to help launch their first one. Here's his legacy with respect to Red China :


91 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:34:59 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

The World's Navies

It appears the Brazilians are using A-4's and Sea King helicopters. Looks like they retired their Trackers. They plan to retire the Minas Gerais.

92 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:37:07 PST by AppyPappy
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for this great thread . Bookmarked .

93 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:41:11 PST by katykelly
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To: Jeff Head

IMHO, there are only two things, Targets, and Fighters.

94 Posted on 11/17/2000 06:41:27 PST by pad 34
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To: Jeff Head

Ref post 78.

Great picture. Thanks.

Now all the Bubble Heads should be happy.

5.56mm

95 Posted on 11/17/2000 07:10:36 PST by M Kehoe
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To: AppyPappy

Actually, it was my understanding that Brazil did a refit on her just a few years ago that will allow her to continue service. That upgrade included providing for the operation of newly purchased A-4 Skyhawks.

I believe they plan to use her until at least 2003 now which gives them plenty of time to transition to the newer, larger Sao Paulo (former French Foch).

96 Posted on 11/17/2000 09:31:16 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet..com)
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To: katykelly

You're very welcome. Naval history and equipment is always interesting.

97 Posted on 11/17/2000 09:37:22 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

you bet...I want it to be abso-effing-lutely overwhelming...

98 Posted on 11/17/2000 10:39:52 PST by Benrand
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the bump. My dad spent tours on the USS Ticonderoga, the USS Nimitz, and the USS Independence, and I was blessed with the opportunity to tour each, and even went out for a spin on the Indy. Definitely awesomely impressive vessels!!

FReegards...MUD

99 Posted on 11/17/2000 14:15:02 PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Jeff Head

USS Forestall July 29, 1967 (134 were lost).

Any person entering the Navy after that horrible tragedy has seen it and knows it. Flight Decks are equiped with cameras that stay on. If memory serves right a missle was accidently launched across the flight deck. That started the fire. The ship went to General Quarters which is the highest condition of readiness in both battle and Damage Control. The film showed one team putting down foam. That was the correct procedure. It as well showed another which followed behind spraying if off. That was not proper procedure.

The secondary fires burned well below the flightdeck as heat transfers start additional fires. No doubt the ones who fought and those that died were heros. No one questions their intent or dedication. The Navy uses the flighdeck footage as a training film to pound into recruits and onboard fire fighters the extreme importance of proper damage control procedures being followed. In this case it was not. It's not a pretty picture it's real sailors paying the price of shipboard life. This is still the worst carrier disaster since WW2.

100 Posted on 11/17/2000 14:48:46 PST by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

Given some of the failed procedures, and with all of that ordinance that cooked off ... it is amazing that we did not loose the ship.

From my reading and study, I believe it is a testament to two things ... 1) The valor and courage of those who did follow proper procedure and those who fought along side of them, and, 2) The construction of the ship itself.

Semper Fi.

101 Posted on 11/17/2000 16:11:01 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Added to the normal hazards of carrier operations, and the combat operations involved with their strike aircraft, these inidents should give us all pause as we reflect on the service rendered and sacrifices made by those who served there

Thank you for this memorial. Beautiful job. I shall bookmark.

102 Posted on 11/18/2000 06:13:58 PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique

They deserve it ... and much more!

103 Posted on 11/20/2000 05:14:42 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Mudboy Slim

Well, the Ticonderoga and the Nimitz are still out there, but the Independence (CV-62) was decommissioned in 1998 I believe.

There are several in mothballs that Bush could reactivate quickly if he gets the nod and has the will. Full deck carrier operations are spread thin right now with Clinton's reductions.

104 Posted on 11/20/2000 05:25:35 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

I would like to say that none of these ships could sail without a little support from the supply ships...

USS Sylvania (AFS-2) 1987-1990 ;o)

105 Posted on 11/20/2000 05:34:22 PST by Axeslinger
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To: cva66snipe

The Navy's firefighting school in Norfolk is named after ABHC Farrier, the poor chap that is seen engulfed by a fireball from one of the secondary explosions on the Forrestal in the training film Trial By Fire.

The firefighting systems and training have advanced considerably since then.

ABE1 (Ret)

106 Posted on 11/20/2000 06:42:59 PST by csvset
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To: Axeslinger

Amen to that ... the replensihment ships and their escorts are the life line. Logistics is the blood flowing through the veins of the entire body of our armed forces ... it doesn't stop at lands end ... it only becomes more difficult.

107 Posted on 11/20/2000 09:52:44 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: csvset, cva66snipe, squnatos, Chapita, Travis McGee

Here's a quote found on USS Forrestal Association home page by one of the crew regarding that brave soul, Chief Gerald Farrier :

I as a member of the Forrestal crew V-1 Division on July 29, 1967 at 10:53AM would like to respectfully nominate Chief Gerald Farrier for all of the honors deserving of a great leader, a kind man, a father, a HERO.

Chief Farrier at the time of the first explosion without hesiation grabbed a PKP fire extinguisher and ran at a full gate to what was to become our HELL on earth. He began attempting to cool a bomb laying on the deck surrounded by burning fuel. The entire deck was turning into chaos. Not one time did Chief Farrier loose sense of his immediate duty. Moments later there was an explosion. With my own eyes I saw Chief Farrier destroyed by the blast. There was never a look of fear or doubt in his eyes as he fought the growing fire. Only the look of determination to do his job! I know because I was no more than 20-25 feet from my Chief. I had exhausted a PKP bottle to no avail only moments before. He looked at me waved his arm as if to say "get the hell out of here." Virtually before I could move there was an explosion and Chief Farrier was gone. Chief Farrier was my flight deck Chief, friend, teacher, and most of all a leader of men. I ask that his name and efforts be forever recorded in the history of the U.S.S. Forrestal, CVA59 Respectfully and with Honor

Gary L. Shaver USN Medically Retired

This is long overdue! I respectfully 2nd the nomination for FID Honors to Chief Farrier from my friend and shipmate Gary Shaver.

Paul H. Friedman, AO3, G Division, Aboard 5/67 to 7/29/67.

Captain John K. Beling the CO during the Westpac cruise recommended Chief Farrier for the Medal of Honor. That recommendation was changed by someone further up the chain of command and Chief Farrier received (posthumously) the Navy and Marine Corps Medal. (Source-Ken Killmeyer, Forrestal Association Historian)

108 Posted on 11/20/2000 09:58:23 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Great pictures, Jeff. Some of the devices I'm working with are in use on the Nimitz class ships and will possibly be used on the CVN 77 as well. The new ships will make extensive use of automation, fiber optics and electrically powered devices ( as opposed to hydraulics )for improved reliability, less weight & smaller crews.

109 Posted on 11/20/2000 10:14:40 PST by Dukie
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To: Jeff Head

bttt

110 Posted on 11/20/2000 10:59:44 PST by Chapita
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To: Chapita

Not one time did Chief Farrier loose sense of his immediate duty. Moments later there was an explosion. With my own eyes I saw Chief Farrier destroyed by the blast. There was never a look of fear or doubt in his eyes as he fought the growing fire. Only the look of determination to do his job! I know because I was no more than 20-25 feet from my Chief. I had exhausted a PKP bottle to no avail only moments before. He looked at me waved his arm as if to say "get the hell out of here." Virtually before I could move there was an explosion and Chief Farrier was gone.

There's a testament of a committed and brave man. Clearly, the men under him knew the type of man he was and he clearly conveyed that to them before this fateful hour.

111 Posted on 11/20/2000 12:01:11 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

bttt

112 Posted on 11/20/2000 12:14:01 PST by Chapita
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To: cva66snipe

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113 Posted on 11/20/2000 14:49:55 PST by cva66snipe
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To: csvset Jeff Head

You posted to me today but I can't get past post 100 due to some HTML interference in the thread. If reply is needed use private mail.

114 Posted on 11/20/2000 15:51:51 PST by cva66snipe
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To: Jeff Head

Does the GCA of 1968 mean I can't have one of these, or do I just have to pay a $200 tax? If the nukes are semi-auto and only hold 10 rounds, can me and my buds take it lake trout fishing in the fall? Are the F-14s included with Navy surplus or do I have to see the Air Force for those? Do I get a discount for being a taxpayer and having payed for it once already? And how much gas does one of these babies use on a weekend cruise? I wonder if my neighborhood has a covenance about parking it on the side of my house. (will the guns work in dry dock?)

115 Posted on 11/20/2000 20:07:24 PST by MileHi
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To: cva66snipe

Bump

116 Posted on 11/21/2000 18:04:39 PST by Howard_Fine_&_Howard
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To: MileHi

Sorry I didn't see your hunorous reply earlier. LOL. In answer response:

"Start with one of those "liberator" pistols from WWII and work your way up."

117 Posted on 12/10/2000 12:04:19 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head


"The strongest "Sea Control" ship, the Wasp Class and the most capable destoyer, the Aegis Burke class. "

Actually, the goremunists are not only prescribing berets for all dog faces as a way of disrespecting those who have earned them in the past, but they are changing the Aegis Burke class to the Aegis Tampax class.

118 Posted on 12/10/2000 12:55:15 PST by SuperLuminal
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To: SuperLuminal

Speaking of the Burke class, we now have six of the newer IIA versions of the ship christened, two of which have been commissioned, the others undergoing sea trials. This batch has added full helicopter facilities for II SH-60B Lamps III choppers.

This was a much needed enhancement as the earlier versions could only land a single helicopter but had no facilities for servicing or housing them. All future ships will be built to the new spec. The third one in this new batch, DDG-81 Winston Churchill, I believe has the new 62 cal 5" gun which shoots the new extended range munition for that weapon.

Here's the first batch IIA vessel, the DDG-79 Oscar Austin, notice the two hangar doors towards the aft of the ship just forward of the landing deck :


119 Posted on 12/10/2000 15:14:51 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: red-dawg

Cool! I never realized that we had already named a guided missile destoyer after my favorite Presidential candidate!

120 Posted on 03/03/2001 08:34:53 PST by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2, red-dawg

Actually, in case you didn't know rightwing2, DDG-14 Buchanan was not named for Pat and was sunk in 2000 as a target ship.

... and, in case you were unaware Red-dawg, on June 13, 2000 the USS Buchanan took part in the RIMPAC 2000 as a target ship at Pacific Missile Range Facility, North of the Hawaiian Island of Kauia. American, Canadian and Australian forces tried to sink her for more than 24 hours. She took Three hits from Hellfire missiles fired from SH-60 LAMPS helos; Three Harpoon Missiles fired from RAAF F-111 & US P-3 aircraft and several allied ships; and a GBU-24 (2400 lb laser guided) bomb. The USS Buffalo's MK-48 torpedo that was to have delivered the coup de grace malfunctioned. Buchanan stayed afloat all night. On the morning of June 14, 2000 EOD Team boarded her and placed 200 pounds of C-4 in predetermined locations. Sixteen minutes and three seconds after igniting the time fuse the Buchanan gracefully in a bow down attitude slid below the surface of the Pacific Ocean. At 21:26:30Z (11:26:30 AM HST) 14 June 2000 Davy Jones piped her aboard at her final resting place of 22:54.38N, 160:27.68W , 64 Nautical Miles from land in 2540 Fathoms of water.

121 Posted on 03/05/2001 08:46:49 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Junior, gkidman

FYI ... a good thread.

122 Posted on 03/05/2001 08:50:56 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Actually, in case you didn't know rightwing2, DDG-14 Buchanan was not named for Pat and was sunk in 2000 as a target ship.

In case you didn't know, I was most obviously joking. The US Navy would never have the good sense to name one of its warships after a modern-day conservative America-First hero like Patrick J. Buchanan.

123 Posted on 03/05/2001 09:19:46 PST by rightwing2
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To: Jeff Head

I remember reading a while back about a submarine aircraft carrier to hold Harrier Jump Jets, I think for use by the British? Anyone else heard of this?

124 Posted on 03/05/2001 09:30:26 PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: rightwing2

I figured you were being sarcastic, but you never know. That's why I prefaced it with the "in case you didn't know"

In any case, the USS Buchanan was sent to the bottom by our own forces ... but she took one heck of a lot of damgge before going down ... 3 hellfires and 3 harpoons and they still had to scuttle her to get her to go under!

125 Posted on 03/05/2001 09:41:06 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: NC_Libertarian

Had not heard about that. Interesting concept but would seem a logistical and noise signature nightmare.

126 Posted on 03/05/2001 09:47:48 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Yea, I think it was a concept. When the sub surfaced the two halves opened up like a shuttle bay and launched aircraft. I suppose the advantage would be that it wouldn't require escorts. I'll see if I can find something on the 'net ...

127 Posted on 03/05/2001 09:52:07 PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Jeff Head

Still afloat after three harpoons hits, huh? Not bad. Maybe the US should start working on some hypersonic antiship missiles like the Russians have long had in the Sunburn and Yakhont to kill enemy ships a little faster. The ChiComs PLAN has got some too now as well.

128 Posted on 03/07/2001 06:06:08 PST by rightwing2
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To: Jeff Head

Amen to that ... the replensihment ships and their escorts are the life line. Logistics is the blood flowing through the veins of the entire body of our armed forces ... it doesn't stop at lands end ... it only becomes more difficult.

Fredrick the Great's writings are almost entirely about logistics. He chose targets based primarily on what the logistical effect would be.

129 Posted on 03/07/2001 09:57:58 PST by lepton
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To: rightwing2

The design of our ships is also responsible. The Harpoon missile is no lark. It is very capable of inflicting serious damage, particularly on the eastern block ships as their designs are not as resistance to battle damage.

But, having a multiple mach missile which adds its own momentum and resulting force to the explosive would also enhance our capability just that much more.

Many of the Ruskie cruise missiles were always high speed, and BIG. Until recently (ie. the Sunburn) they were also fairly high altitude flyers. The Sunburn is a supersonic sea skimmer as I understand it ... very dangerous and hard to knock down ... but also shorter range.

Regards.

130 Posted on 03/07/2001 13:13:41 PST by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach, cva66snipe

FYI ... blast from the past.

131 Posted on 05/20/2001 22:19:26 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: super175

FYI.

132 Posted on 05/20/2001 22:32:08 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Good work, bump.

133 Posted on 05/20/2001 22:33:17 PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the reminder. Isn't the Brazil carrier actually one of our old ships with a flight deck welded to it? I remember we were involved with some joint operations with them in 1977 and I remember seeing their carrier.

That was the same trip I recieved my Royal Summons to appear in the highest court of the raging main in the Domain of Imperium Neptuni Regis, State of the Raging Main, Equatoria to answer the charges brought against me. The charges were severe and the penality was stiff. How darest a wog enter his royal domain anyway. :>}

134 Posted on 05/20/2001 22:51:47 PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Jeff Head

These ships take my breath away. I go past the Bremerton shipyards quite often and I thrill to the sight of some of the big carriers there. Beauties! FReep Regards

135 Posted on 05/20/2001 22:59:11 PDT by Libertina
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To: cva66snipe

It was originally built as HMS Vengeance (an RN Light Carrier); served in RAN 1953-55, it was then sold to Brazil and rebuilt. Carries up to 20 aircraft.

They plan to use it until the Sao Paulo (fromer French Foch) is operational (up to 40 aircraft), after which time it will be retired.

136 Posted on 05/21/2001 07:09:05 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: SevenDaysInMay

Thanks. Most folks don't realize how many nations are getting into the "carrier" act, albeit they are mostly the smaller, jump-jet variety.

137 Posted on 05/21/2001 07:10:20 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Libertina

They are beauties for sure.

The Wasp class, when operating in the "Sea Control" mode is the better of any of the foreign jump-jet carriers.

Only the Russians, the French (and now Brazil) really have anything that compare to our full-deck carriers ... and they are a distant 2nd IMHO.

138 Posted on 05/21/2001 07:14:51 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@Bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

very good posting,lot`s of work and well done.
minor detail,i believe the indian carrier name is vikrant,read it somewhere, but could be wrong,somebody check on this.

139 Posted on 05/21/2001 07:46:59 PDT by green team 1999
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To: Green Team 1999

FYI ... from last year. Thought you might like this.

140 Posted on 07/02/2001 14:13:11 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Clive, lovecraft, ArrogantBustard

FYI ... from last year. Thought you all might like this.

141 Posted on 07/02/2001 14:14:00 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: StoneColdGOP, unix

FYI ... from last year. Thought you all might like this.

142 Posted on 07/02/2001 14:14:53 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: StoneColdGOP, unix

FYI ... from last year. Thought you all might like this.

143 Posted on 07/02/2001 14:29:20 PDT by Jeff Head (jeffhead@bigplanet.com)
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To: Jeff Head

Very Nice Collection!

In your comparison you refer the the Invincible Class as CVV.

MOD refers to it as CVS. North American Special Operations Group refers to it as CVG.

HMS Ocean is a LPH Helicopter Carrier. It is sometimes popularly called a Marine Commando Carrier.

The US equivalent would be either the Tarawa Class LHA or the Wasp Class LHD, although both of them have a larger capacity. The Ocean embarks 500 - 800 Marines compared with 1900 on an LHA.

144 Posted on 07/02/2001 16:00:01 PDT by Clive
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To: Jeff Head

Was down in Pensacola this weekend and got to see the Iwo Jima.Just amazing that something that big can come through that pass.

145 Posted on 07/02/2001 16:04:42 PDT by tet68
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To: Clive

Thanks ... and sorry I didn't see your reply sooner!

I have the Ocean, the Tarawa and the Wasp classes in here because they are all Harrier VTOL capable. I believe the new JMSDF ship will be VTOL capable as well and that ultimately either Harrier or JSF aircraft will fly off their decks.

BTW, the whole site moved. You can now find it here:

Carriers of the World - http://www.jeffhead.com/carriers/

Regards.


146 Posted on 11/28/2001 08:55:30 PST by Jeff Head
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To: xJones

Here's that thread ... I don't know if it has the info you were looking for or not.

The pictures don't display because the site moved to this location since I posted this:

Carriers of the World - http://www.jeffhead.com/carriers/

Regards.


147 Posted on 11/28/2001 09:00:50 PST by Jeff Head
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