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We have received word from the Plaintiff's attorney that final judgment in the alleged copyright infringement lawsuit brought against us by the LA Times and Washington post has been filed. We have not officially been served yet, but presumably that will happen shortly. We stipulated to judgment in order to move from the trial court to appeals. Brian will be filing an appeal immediately. There is nothing in the judgment that is new or unexpected. We've been expecting this ruling for over a year since the judge wrongfully denied us our fair use defense, thus depriving us of our constitutional rights.
Brian and I will be posting more on this later. We will also post a list of sources that we have been enjoined from posting full text. Mainly, it's the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post and any of their subsidiaries. Please do not post from these sources until after this issue is resolved by the appeals court or eventually the Supreme Court.
Thanks,
Jim Robinson
Okay with me, if I never see a WP post again. The world will be better without them.
You got all our prayers out here JR! Knock 'em dead!
Thaks for fighting this fight for us, Jim Rob.
Jim, I'm an attorney in Texas who has done some appellate work. Let me know if I can help at all in the appeal. I can do research, drafting, whatever. I know you probably have good attorneys, but if I can take some of the load off them and lighten any fees, I'm good to go.
Guess that "ArtB" disruptor was right. Hmmmmmm.
That was a heck of a nice offer.
9th Circuit, here we come!
You fight the good fight for us all. God bless and happy Thanksgiving.
Jim:
If they continue to give you trouble, write to me, and we'll discuss how to set up the FR server in Europe. We can get FR beyond the reach of the filthy leftist bastards.
Regards, Ivan
Sorry...I posted a WP article here a week ago (yes there was actually a GOOD Article...) BUT I ALSO POSTED IT ON A YAHOO DISCUSSION SITE !!!!!!!
God Bless Jim Rob!
If I were the LAT or WP, I wouldn't want anyone with a brain reading my crap either.
Where do I send my support funds for FREEREPUBLIC
Jim Rob...
Thoughts and prayers are with you, and the courageous stand FR is taking for our God-given freedom and personal liberties.
Godspeed in all these endeavors.
Best wishes and God bless. Thank you for this wonderful forum.
"Guess that "ArtB" disruptor was right. Hmmmmmm. "
Yes, and I tried to tell folks that posting news is not a disruption, unless you wish NOT to know the truth.
Okay with me, if I never see a WP post again. The world will be better without them.
I'm with you. I never could understand why these screeds were posted in the first place.
Where do I send my support funds for FREEREPUBLIC.
Right here
You will prevail, sir. Thanks for the best damn site on the web.
There's an address at the bottom of this page
The 9th is the most liberal court in America. I wonder where freedom of speech in the market place of ideas stands nowdays in the liberal hiearchy of values. Maybe it depends on the political correctness of the speech.
As always, our prayers are with you...
Ok Jim--I won't be posting from any of these sources and I won't be visiting their web sites anymore either. What a shame.
Their motto is: "Free speech is for me, not for thee."
Old Thread from one year ago. Uh..oh. It's an LA Times article. Should I not link this?
Thanks for the update Jim. On to the appellate courts!
That's a good question. I've got a gut instinct that Jim will prevail. The 9th still has that old-school liberal instinct in them. But you never know what interests they have beyond the facts in the case.
Best wishes to the Robinsons and thanks to Clarity for fighting the good fight!
Here is a link to our credit card donation page (select legal defense): https://iseek.com/freerepublic/frsupport.htm
And/or checks can be mailed to:
James C. Robinson
Free Republic
Legal Defense Fund
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
Thanks,
Jim Robinson
Thanks, Jim! 9th Circuit Court -- here we come!
If you or othrs wish to read the actually judgement...here is a link ...
Best wishes and God bless. We are all behind you Jim.
I think that we should all include Jim and the FreeRepublic on our holiday gift lists.
-Winston Churchill
I was just thinking Sealand.
bttt
bttt
Correct, but that is the first step to the Supremes and that is where this ground breaking internet case will end up.
bttt
James C. Robinson
Free Republic
Legal Defense Fund
PO Box 9771
Fresno, CA 93794
Jim, Is it safe to send cash to this address, I would prefer to send cash(or beer).
bttt
-Winston Churchill
The public service that has been this website during the election and continued mess is self-evidence of the "fair use" nature of FR's handling of articles.
Thanks for the update.
Bottom line: We don't need the WP or the LAT to be effective. On the contrary there's more juice in this site then they ever had or ever will have.
Even if we don't post their articles we can monitor them and expose their lies despite their kicking and screaming. One thing we should not do is link to them in any way whatsoever. Why should FR supply them with thousands of hits?
I'm not a lawyer, but if there is a way to do shun them, minimize our exposure and keep Jim and FR from getting hammered, most or all of us would be all for it.
If you send beer, don't designate it for legal defense. Brian drinks Scotch. I'll take the beer.
-Winston Churchill
Why don't you crawl out of the gutter and make an appearance on this thread?
Well, actually, I have already posted to this thread. And what is your problem? I just posted the text of the Judgement. How is that 'being in the gutter'? Thanks for your reasoned reply to my question.
Bump
Cool!!! Maybe you could go to Floriduh while you are it. And explain to the FSC that Texas law has nothing to do with what they are deciding :)
One of the things I will give thanks for on Thursday is this site and all it has done for those who visit, and most of all, for rallying all of us to do what we must to preserve the country we love.
Thank you Jim and God Bless.
Good luckwith the appeal.
Stay well
You were giddy like a femma-nazi bitch when you posted that and that is my problem! Battle is not over and your side will lose.
Where did you get your copy of the judgment when JimRob says he hasn't been served with a copy yet?
Personally speaking, I have been wanting people to stop posting from these two sources for some time because they are nothing but Democrat spin machines. I also say that none of us should ever visit their sites again. Everyone should take them out of your favorites list NOW! Boycott them!
Good Luck on the appeal.
I pray this site stays up. I just found it three months ago. Its so much better than the one I used to post at. I can't send any money now, but I certainly can after the holidays and I will. We spent all our extra money on getting Bush elected and trying to help Lazio. Thank you, sir for your site.
We're all behind you all the way to the Supreme Court. Take heart in all your support and take care.
You are correct. But the LA times is the most inaccurate, most biased, most blatant propeganda piece of bird-cage lining that was ever printed. The editors and managers of the LA times put W.R. Hearst and Pravda to shame.
It was a proud and happy day that I cancelled my subscription.
They are cheap, hire malleable young reporters at low wages who can be shaped and molded into the progressives they want to disseminate information. They have no sense of history, and use words, phrases and terms without even knowing their historical meaning or context.
In essence, I believe they are deliberately trying to dumb-down the citizens, to muddy the waters so that the truth can never be seen.
Moreover, they are greedy, and are willing to sell favorable news stories to advertisers. This makes them a truly worthless source of news. Unfortunately, they are the only game in this town, and as such they must be challenged on every front.
Finally, and most egregiously, they recently reduced the size of their paper in an effort to save money, and as a result had to reduce the print size to 90% of it's former size. Now my grandmother can't even read it anymore even with her glasses. They made my grandmother upset, and anyone who makes my grandmother upset deserves as much scorn and derision as anyone can heap.
Thank you, JimRob and Clarity, for the continuing fight.
Many NEWBIES have joined FR during this election FRAUD FIGHT began......
Here's where you can do something concrete, Newbies (and oldies), to help keep this invaluable site going strong.
Please respond.
mega dittos
If they take down this site, we'll just start another. That's the beautiful thing about the Internet and the software technologies that exist. Just like Napster, no matter how many Big Brother shuts down, more will crop up. And there's a revolution coming in peer-to-peer networks that require NO central server. So there's NO ONE THING to be shut down.
They asked us not to appeal, and they offered to forego all damages, costs, and attorneys' fees if we would just not appeal. Ha!
Jim, Thanks!! Peace and love, George.
God bless FR... and you.
By golly, as Tiny Tim said: God bless us every one!
I believe I would take that one.
Noted.
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in the crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; 'tis dearness only that gives everything its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price on its goods; and it would be strange indeed, if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." -- Thomas Paine
Roger, WP and LA Crimes. They're not worth the clicks anyhow.....
Heads up gal.
I think that we should include Jim and the Free Republic on our holiday gift lists.
Now here is the foundation of a great idea. Many people have mentioned initiation of a "holiday sales slowdown" to send the message that we will NOT accept Al Gore as the legitimate President. What better way to make a statement of this nature than by diverting the funds you WERE going to spend on a liberal enterprise (Disney, the entertainment industry, L. L. Bean, on and on) to Jim Rob and Free Republic. How about those irritating Democrat/liberal relatives everyone has been complaining about over the past couple of weeks? Don't waste money on a gift...send them a Christmas card, and include a little "gift card" indicating that the money you were ORIGINALLY going to spend on a holiday gift for them has instead been donated to the CONSERVATIVE website, Free Republic. (In THEIR name, of course...that should REALLY frost their backsides.) The GIFT of Freedom...what more could anyone ask for during the holiday season?
Maybe a new thread is in order to inform the FReepers not to post any articles from the Compost and La La Tymes.
Also notify LAT/WP of the date and time of this ban so they can watch their "hit count" drop to squat!
The fargin icehole bastages.
GO GET 'EM, CLARITY!
Thank you, Jim. Courage.
"They asked us not to appeal, and they offered to forego all damages, costs, and attorneys' fees if we would just not appeal. Ha!"
I wonder why? hehe
The Washington Post ... may they rest in peace.
Their illness is terminal... They just don't know it.
Okay with me, if I never see a WP post again.
WP? Wiping Paper?
Cool!!! Maybe you could go to Floriduh while you are it. And explain to the FSC that Texas law has nothing to do with what they are deciding :)
I'm afraid they wouldn't listen and they don't care.
I'm with you. I never could understand why these screeds were posted in the first place.
In order to document their lies and propaganda, of course. dan
Godspeed and hope you get a decent judge.
Today they asked us to agree to have this appeal heard by the Florida Supreme Court instead of the Ninth Circuit. Not sure what that's all about. prbfh
"In order to document their lies and propaganda, of course."
Precisely!
"Today they asked us to agree to have this appeal heard by the Florida Supreme Court instead of the Ninth Circuit. Not sure what that's all about."
LOL! I wouldn't be a bit surprised! rprbfhe
btt
Using Texas law?
Jim, I am an Intellectual Property Attorney. Contact me if I can help.
If you look in this Thread you will see a poster named Clarity. He is the attorney representing FR. You may want to send him a freepmail.
"If they continue to give you trouble, write to me, and we'll discuss how to set up the FR server in Europe."
We need to put in on Sealand.
Even if we don't post their articles we can monitor them and expose their lies despite their kicking and screaming. One thing we should not do is link to them in any way whatsoever. Why should FR supply them with thousands of hits?
Is that fair game? Post or LA Times "vanities" in which we pull out and eviscerate with the facts their more misleading, deceitful and vacuous "news"?
IS THIS ANOTHER VANITY???
i give up!
Absolutely. But it must be fair use and, for the moment, not full text. Indeed, well short of full text. Regards.
Duly noted.
Give 'em hell, Brian. Trust you and your family enjoy the holiday. I'm taking some McKenzie's "oyster patty" pastry shells and a sweet potato pecan pie from a good friend (and best pastry chef in town) with me to my grandparents. I've learned to eat things down here I didn't know existed! Thanksgiving's have never been the same.
(I did learn not to bring barbecued shrimp to the family supper back home in Tulsa, though ... scared the kids and flummoxed the help at the seafood shop when I asked for "heads on". =)
I will not miss either the Post or the Times, but a will look forward to Aske15 vanities giving them the what for.
Jim.....can't tell you what this website means to me since I discovered it several months ago. Not only is it good therapy for me, you have some of the finest people around that post here. Good luck in the fight.
"Is that fair game? Post or LA Times "vanities" in which we pull out and eviscerate with the facts their more misleading, deceitful and vacuous "news"?"
You GO, girl!
You will win!
Hang in there!
Need any $$$?
This will only quicken the pace of the demise of these two rags. The truth is presented and discussed here.
If a newspaper isn't referenced by the Free Republic, it isn't a newspaper.
Great find, my friend!
A-G, don't know if you had this one!
Bump!
This is a SUPER IDEA. I also think people who were going to vacation in FLORIDA, cancel their trips and go to ARIZONA or someplace else.
I loved Disneyworld but am writing it off my list of places to visit.
This place is a wonderful place to go to get both sides of the news. I love the barf alerts! I have a lot of fun posting here, even when we are fighting about something. Take the article yesterday about Fred and the Freaks picketing in New Hampshire. That got a lot of dander up, but in the end we are still all friends......well most of the time.
Jim I add my wishes to you and yours for a great holiday and keep up the wonderful work you do!!!!!!! I LOVE THIS PLACE!
You are a hero, and heroes often suffer for their beliefs. Jim, your story will be told, and in this most precarious time in our Nation's life people will Thank God as I do that you are here.
They asked us not to appeal, and they offered to forego all damages, costs, and attorneys' fees if we would just not appeal. Ha!
First of all, knowing you sense of humor, are you serious about this offer? If so, just how big of a check are they willing to write to JimRob in order to avoid looking stupid in the 9th Circuit? I would assume they would also be willing to pay all of FR's legal fees at your current going rate plus a increased factor based on the complexity of the litigation, the contingent nature of the fee arrangement, the resources of the opponent, etc. I thin a factor of 2-3 wopuld be appropriate, don't you?
This should be a lesson to all. Never, ever, attempt to screw over a patriot who is willing to risk everything, because you cannot win!
Must be some lawyers with bankruptcy knowledge here at FR. Declare a Chapter 11, start a new website in a friend or relative's name entitled, freedomsnotfree.com
????????????
If you send beer, don't designate it for legal defense. Brian drinks Scotch. I'll take the beer.
LOL!!!
And if you can't decide which, I drink both < g >
Thanks for the update, Jim.
bttt
bttt
Mainly, it's the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post and any of their subsidiaries
Looks like you won to me!!! Good going!
Don't you think they're talking about foregoing their fees, costs, etc., NOT OURS? Yeah, I thought so! LOL!
They asked us not to appeal, and they offered to forego all damages, costs, and attorneys' fees if we would just not appeal. Ha!
Hehehehe there lawyers must think an appeal is going to cost them too much or they are intimidated by the blinding legal callenge set fourth by Clarity.
I would just like to take a moment to wish you folks and your families a Happy Thanksgiving.
Or they may have just wanted to get this thing over with. Either way, I truly do believe that we are in the right here and I will not give up our rights without a fight. I don't care how much they offer. The founders did not intend for the congress to lock up political free speech or news of government corruption, usurption and tyranny through copyright law. This one will end up in the Supreme Court.
Happy Thanksgiving!
They wanted to just settle for the ruling? Whew! They scared? A successful appeal could set a precedent that would fry them good! Goferit! BTW, in addition to my monthly pledge to FR, which represents the cost of my former newspaper subscription to the Akron Beaker-Urinal, I'm starting a monthly pledge to the defense fund. This is too cool not to be a part of it! C'mon, lurkers, freepers and assorted hangers-on, ante up! Money-where- your-mouth-is!
Flapremes, Ninth Circuit--what's the difference? Libbies all. Have at 'em.
"Read the Times, Read the Lies"!
You are TERRIFIC. Thank you!
See bottom left on the FreeRepublic opening page for info about where to send your contribution to keep this wonderful oasis going.........Better yet, sign on for a monthly contribution so that JimRob and son will not always be hand to mouth in expenses.......This site is too valuable to lose.
But isn't Europe crawling with leftist bastards also? The server will probably be regulated to death or something!
So the 9th is a liberal court, eh? Argue about how there is a DIVERSITY of people and opinions on the forum, as well as discussion of topics such as GAY RIGHTS, FEMINISM, SOCIALISM, GUN CONTROL, ABORTION, MULTICULTURALISM, AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Just remember not to mention that such topics are usually disparaged on this forum. Also discuss how you can use the server for free--effectively an ENTITLEMENT--and how all the donations to the forum show HOW MUCH WE CARE.
That was BEAUTIFUL. Perfect. Regards.
Thank you very much! Happy Thanksgiving!
The local brewery is quite good.
Do you have a preference--ales, lagers, stouts, etcetera?
Do colas count?
They brew their own root beer, too.
Ya know what, JimRob.....throughout this damnable mess, it keeps coming back to me the interview I saw of the spineless UT Senator Hatch. It was an interview in which he intimated he had been a Democrat in his past--this was alluding to the fact he and Teddy the Swimmer are such great buddies.
During this interview, he said that all of Congress gets subscriptions, i.e., the WP (and I think he said another paper--maybe one of the NY ones) and some magazines. I don't recall that he specifically said "at the expense of the taxpayers", but that was the distinct clear impression I came away from the interview with--because it filled in my old question of "why do these damn politicians keep citing newspapers as sources of authority for anything"....they're always asking to have an article from some paper or magazine put "in the record".
This topic of paid subscriptions is in my list of things to research. If I find that we sucker taxpayers indeed pay for these subscriptions, what do you say about doing some hell-raising?
Yeah, as much as I love beer I had to give it up a few years ago. Now it's cola or root beer only.
I'm always open to a certain amount of hell-raising. Especially if it raises hell for corrupt Congressmen.
I'm always open to a certain amount of hell-raising. Especially if it raises hell for corrupt Congressmen.
>Yeah, as much as I love beer I had to give it up a few >years ago. Now it's cola or root beer only.
I see. Root beer it is, then.
What about John?
Thanks for helping.
Mainly, it's the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post and any of their subsidiaries. Please do not post from these sources until after this issue is resolved by the appeals court or eventually the Supreme Court.
Received and understood! Will comply. Thanks for bringing this out. I had come across it when everything went down, and I'm glad that you are talking about it! I support this website and it's basic concepts, so keep on plugging.
Thank you again for the best resource on the web. This is comparable to Poor Richard's Almanac, Common Sense, The Federalist Papers and many more all rolled into one.
P.S.- About the ones that I did post from them in the past...my sincerest apologies. I surely do not want my actions to bring you more trouble.
We have not officially been served yet, but presumably that will happen shortly. Jim Robinson
Where did you get your copy of the judgment when JimRob says he hasn't been served with a copy yet?
Oh good point! I missed it myself. Seems like insider trading?
I notice that at the time of my post there is no reply from ArtB.
From ArtB's link...
2. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the three named Defendants (Free Republic, Electronic Orchard and James C. Robinson), and each of their officers, agents, representatives, alter egos, shareholders, partners, joint ventures, heirs, executors, administrators, parent entities, affiliates, subsidiaries, divisions, legal predecessors, successors, assigns, licensees, and any and all persons acting in concert therewith or participating with them who receive actual notice of this order, must:
(B) post on the home pages of freerepublic.com, freerepublic.net, and freerepublic.org to a web page at freerepublic.com containing a copy of the Final Judgment and the attachment to it for ninety days beginning no later than two weeks after the date this Final Judgment is signed. These links shall clearly and legibly state they are links to the Final Judgment in this case.
Since this is stipulated, and FR "We have not officially been served yet, but presumably that will happen shortly.", it does seem strange to have someone other than "the three named Defendants" has posted the decision. Just a thought!
btt
We actually have a free press in Britain; I tend to think the leftist bastards would have a bit of a problem were they to put the server there.
Regards, Ivan
Phil, nothing odd...judgements are posted on the Court's Internet sit...others pick it up...it gets posted on the Net...no insider anything...just news...
judgements are posted on the Court's Internet sit
Got a link?
"Jim:
If they continue to give you trouble, write to me, and we'll discuss how to set up the FR server in Europe. We can get FR beyond the reach of the filthy leftist bastards.
Regards, Ivan"
I'm with you there, I'm an IT type who will gladly contribute free labor, etc. BTW, I'm close to Frankfurt, GE, but have tools will travel.
L4T
bumpity
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Thank you, Jim. Courage.
A lot of times when I read FR, I scan before I land on something that catches my eye for further reading. When I scanned your post to Jim, I missed that period after Jim's name and I read the sentence this way:
I like it. Jim Courage Robinson.
So do I.
We actually have a free press in Britain; I tend to think the leftist bastards would have a bit of a problem were they to put the server there.
No, "we" damn well do not. In Britain, "we" pay a hefty fee every year to fund a government broadcasting service that dominates the airwaves 24/7 with relentless socialist left-wing Europhilic agitprop. The fact that "we" have one or two decent conservative newspapers left is no reason to be smug. America has a couple left, too.
If ever FR were looking to move to a server outside the US, you can bet your bottom guilder Europe (and countries sucking up to Europe) would be the last sensible place to launch a platform for free speech. Ask Jörg Haider.
The Far East, maybe. One or two countries out there are practicing real capitalism...you know, the kind where greed trumps politics.
cunning:
I should have suspected as much from you - every time Britain is mentioned you seem to have a problem. Very well, let's dissect your crap and sort through the remains.
First and foremost - what agitprop are you talking about. While I will admit the BBC has declined in quality since New Labour has assumed power, people like David Frost still maintain some standards. In any event, to suggest the BBC is nearly as bad as ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN is the height of stupidity. Even if I were to accept that argument, I could counter with the fact that Sky News is just as popular - which is high quality (owned by the same people who own Fox News no less).
Next, it is not just the presence of some national right wing papers that means the press is free. It is that they are more widely read than right wing papers in the USA. The biggest selling daily broadsheet is the conservative Daily Telegraph. The biggest selling daily tabloid is the conservative Sun. You cannot say the biggest selling newspapers in the United States are conservative. What is more is that you will find the left wing newspapers will tell the truth, even if it is unpalatable - for example, after the Sudan bombing, the left wing Observer broke the story the following Sunday that it was Wag the Dog.
Finally, the kinds of chicanery in elections that are going on in Florida are simply unheard of in Britain. It simply has not occured. The political system thus retains some level of honesty - Blair does get roasted on a regular basis, unlike America which has a "peerless leader" approach to Clinton. And thus, if all else fails, Jim could move FR to Britain without fear.
Now, are you going to listen, or just be an anti-British bigot?
Ivan
Now, are you going to listen, or just be an anti-British bigot?
On the contrary, I'm extremely pro-British. I'm simply anti-MadIvan.
Thanks for showing your hand. When criticising issues that are larger than personalities, maybe you ought to remember that there are things more important than your personal grudges.
Ivan
Oh-ho! You want issues?
Lessee...you post that Britain (presumably unlike America) has a "free press", hence locating FreeRepublic in Europe (that's Europe, ladies and gentlemen) would somehow put the server beyond the reach of "leftist bastards".
When called on this, you counter that the BBC is better quality than US broadcasters (uhhh...well, maybe...but what does this have to do with a free press and leftist bias?), that the Telegraph sells more copies than do US conservative papers (sure, it's a wonderful paper...but what do sales figures have to do with anything?), that UK papers are willing to tell the truth (but the example you give is of a US scandal they were happy to expose...they ain't so quick to dish the dirt on, say, the EU, are they?). Finally, you suggest that the UK would never tolerate the shenanigans we are seeing in the US right now. No, it very likely would not. But what on earth does that have to do with...free press and lefties and servers and...what we were talking about?
Bottom line: the teeming masses in both the US and the UK are basically conservative and under a pitched ideological assault from the Left, including a predominately leftist press. Europe is under no such assault; it is miles to the Left and delighted to be there. You can't pitch a croissant in Europe without hitting a leftist bastard. (On the topic of free speech, I do hope you caught the fascinating item in the Independent recently: Now It's Blasphemy to Mock Europe).
I don't attack your posts because I've developed a sudden allergy to your cologne...I do so because you talk the most incredible rubbish.
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