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The Free Republic Problem: Markets in Information

Miscellaneous Free Republic
Source: A Yale Law School Conference Paper
Published: Unknown Author: Yochai Benkler
Posted on 12/07/2000 02:52:16 PST by ICU812

The Free Republic Problem: Markets in Information Goods vs. The Marketplace of Ideas

1. The Free Republic Problem

Here's one for freedom of the press. The Washington Post and the L.A. Times are trying to get the government to prevent some readers from debating the political implications of their stories on a web-based forum. Well, not quite, but too close for comfort. The website is called Free Republic. It includes a forum where conservatives share news clippings and exchange opinions on line. Users who read articles they think deserve comment cut and paste them onto the forum. They then post a comment, and other users participate in a threaded discussion of the article.1 In October 1998 the Washington Post and the L.A. Times decided that public discourse may well be a good thing, but not when someone else uses their stories to evoke it. So they brought a copyright action to prevent the users of Free Republic from posting the newspapers' stories to their political forum.2

The Free Republic suit crystallizes a pervasive tension between property in the information economy and the freedom to exchange ideas in the information society.3 This tension has two core components.

First, enforcing property rights in information goods requires government to prevent its citizens from using information that they want to use in ways that they want to use it.4 This is not a regrettable side effect of property rights. It is in the very nature of the institutional design of property rights in information. In order to make possible a market in information goods, government must delineate the boundaries of what is the "unit" of an "information good," and must commit to prevent, at the behest of the owner, anyone other than the owner from using that "unit" of information. This commitment to prevent some beneficial uses of the information is what makes possible a market in information goods, because permission to engage in the prohibited uses serves as the "goods" sold in that market.

Second, the choice presented by the Free Republic case involves not merely a local choice between two speakers, but a systemic choice between two types of speakers. Holding for the newspapers will benefit speakers like the newspapers-professional, commercial producers who seek to appropriate as much of the benefit that their production creates as possible. Conversely, it will make more difficult amateur discussions like those on the Free Republic forum, which require access to some existing information as an input into their own conversation but do not seek to appropriate the social benefits that their conversation creates. Though neither side would necessarily cease operation if it lost the suit, the dispute nonetheless requires a choice between two very different types of information production, with very different incentives, and perhaps most importantly from a normative perspective, very different types of content.

I suggest that (a) the choice represented by the Free Republic case is not only between having more or less information in the long run, but also about what kind of organizations will be producing information in the long run; (b) this choice about what type of organizations or individuals will be producing information is present whenever we shift the respective boundaries of the enclosed and public domains; (c) people and organizations who produce information for different motivations and with different organizational constraints are likely to produce different types of information content; and (d) therefore decisions about property rights in information must be accounted for in terms of their effects on the patterns of, strategies for, and ultimately the content of information production in our society.


2. The "Make No Law" Aspect of Enclosure: The Free Republic Problem and Technological Protection Measures

To illustrate how enclosure generally has the normative implications I suggest it does, consider the following hypothetical built around the Free Republic case, but in the context of the newly enacted anticircumvention provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA").5 The Act prohibits circumvention of technological protection measures,6 whether or not the person circumventing is otherwise privileged to access the information, and it prohibits the manufacture, importation, or sale of circumvention devices or services. In other words, if a producer of information, like the Washington Post or the L.A. Times, distributes its product encoded so that it can be used only for authorized uses and upon payment, the Act would subject the Free Republicans to liability if they were to strip the news stories of their code in order to exchange the reports with each other and to discuss them. This liability is independent of the copyright liability for copying the stories themselves. Furthermore, anyone who produces, sells, or imports a device or service that would enable the Free Republicans to strip the code to get at the information would also be liable.

So now imagine the following. Presented with the unsavory prospect of enjoining politically-minded individuals from sharing and discussing news stories, the judge in the Free Republic case finds that the Free Republicans' use is privileged. Say the judge calls it a fair use-the use is noncommercial, the value of the work is primarily in its fact or opinion content, not its expressive form, and while the copying is of the entire story, it's economic impact is deminimis. (This is a hypothetical, after all.) The upshot of the case is that the Free Republicans are privileged to copy stories from the newspapers, and post them on their forum to instigate discussion.

Now say that the newspapers encoded the stories to limit access or reuse. The DMCA prohibits the act of circumvention per se, not the act of circumvention for the purpose of making an infringing use. Should the Free Republicans circumvent the code to reach or post the stories, under the DMCA they would be independently liable to the newspapers for that circumvention, even though they had a court decree saying that the underlying use motivating the circumvention is privileged. Note well here that it is law, not technology, that is preventing the Free Republicans from using the news stories. There may be off-the-shelf software available to circumvent the protection measure (say, available in Finland). By installing the code in their stories, however, the newspapers have invoked the legal prohibition on circumvention, and immunized their control over their stories from "fair use" or any other use privileged under the copyright law. The upshot is that the Free Republicans cannot use the information they need, and they cannot do so because of a legal prohibition that Congress enacted to implement its policy judgment that the benefits of this prohibition to the long-term production of information outweighed the costs in terms of access to existing information.

We could take the story one level further, retaining the underlying analytic structure. Imagine that the Librarian of Congress, pursuant to her administrative charge in the DMCA,7 exempts from coverage under the Act circumvention for the purposes of sharing news stories on web-based threaded discussions. She might, for example, think that such copying harms newspapers very little, but is crucially important to the viability of the discussion forum medium, which in turn is crucial to enable robust, decentralized political commentary and discourse. The DMCA requires the Librarian, upon making such a determination, to exempt the endangered uses from the ambit of the anticircumvention provision. But the Act bars such administrative determinations from being used as defenses in any action for violating the prohibition on manufacture, sale, or importation of circumvention devices.8

So now imagine the Free Republicans, with their court decree stating that what they are doing is a fair use, and with an administrative determination that they are free to circumvent the newspapers' code. They surf to the Washington Post's website, and they download a story. They try to copy it onto their website, but the code still prevents them from doing so. They hunt around in vain for some software or service to strip the offending code off the information that they are privileged to access. But they can find none. The devices they need to gain access to the information that they are privileged to access are outlawed. The Free Republicans have encountered an unusually crisp instance of a restraint on their freedom of the press. Not freedom of "The Press," the organized business of producing information about current events; but the freedom of the press of John Lilburne and Tom Paine; the freedom to use the devices necessary for effective communication of one's thoughts.

What this story helps us to do is to grasp quite intuitively the constraining role that law plays when it defines property rights in information. It should be fairly simple to see how the antidevice and anticircumvention provisions are laws intended to impede access to and use of information. They are, perhaps, enforced for very good policy reasons that have to do with securing long-term production incentives for information producers. Whether they are sound policy choices or not is not, however, the issue. The point is that the anticircumvention and antidevice provisions are congressional laws intended to and operating in the arena of access and use of information, and they are laws that operate in this arena by prohibiting people from accessing information or communicating it to others. As such these laws are no less a congressional action subject to first amendment scrutiny than a rule that seeks to enhance diversity in video programming by prohibiting cable operators from selecting all of the contents of programming carried over their cable system. In media regulation we have seen many congressional actions with parallel features to those of the anticircumvention provision that, upon reflection, courts have accepted as justified. The point is, though, that the courts uphold these media regulation laws only after subjecting them to exacting review. The anticircumvention provisions should no less be subject to that exacting review.

The point is not limited to the anticircumvention or antidevice provisions. For the story and the role of law in it can be rolled back up the story line. The judge's decision that the Free Republicans were making a fair use of the stories is what privileged their use in the first place. But an opposite decision would have prevented them from making that use, just as would the anticircumvention provision. Had the judge enjoined the Free Republicans' use, her decision would carry out another congressional law passed in furtherance of the public interest in information production, and implemented by preventing the Free Republicans from using the stories, in order to secure to the newspapers' investment incentives. This other congressional law is, of course, the Copyright Act of 1976. This institutional attribute is pervasive: property rights in information goods are laws that operate with the intent to regulate information production, and that operate through institutional mechanisms that consist in preventing many people from reading or using information that, but for the law, they could have read or used. This kind of law is the kind of law that in other areas, most prominently in media regulation, our constitutional framework has approached with an unusually high degree of caution. The same normative commitments that warrant caution in those cases ought to guide us in assessing rules that enclose information, even when these rules are formulated as "property rights".


3. The Free Republic Problem and the Distribution of Capacity to Make Meaning

Understanding enclosure of the public domain as raising "first amendment" type concerns helps to locate the normative parameters within which we ought to approach the assessment of property rights in information goods. It suggests that we should think (perhaps not single mindedly, but seriously) about how these rules will affect the quality of political discourse and the capacity of individuals to express themselves.


3.1. The Harper & Row Response

The standard response to the apparent conflict between property in information goods and what might be thought of as "first amendment values" is the one adopted by the Supreme Court in Harper & Row.9 By making information production into an economic activity, so this argument goes, we increase the production of information. More information is better; and it is "better" from the perspective of the values of robust political discourse and free expression. This quantitative version of the argument suffers from the conceptual difficulty that it conflates production of "information goods" with production of information that affects the quality of political discourse-let's call it "politically relevant information."

Information goods are legally and technologically contingent upon those instances of the social process of making meaning that can, as a practical matter, be subject to exclusion by a defined owner, and hence can be the basis for a market. They are a medium-constrained category. Politically relevant information is the product of a culturally contingent process of exchanging symbols that causes us to hold one or another set of beliefs about how we should organize our lives as individuals or as a polity.10 It is a culture-constrained category. There is no necessary correlation between the cultural contingency that defines what information is politically relevant, and the technological-legal contingency that constrains what information can be demarcated and sold as goods. We therefore have no systematic reason to think that rules put in place to take advantage of technologically contingent tollbooth opportunities will encourage the production of information defined as "important" by its culturally contingent political valence.

The more sophisticated version of the Harper & Row argument11 suggests that information goods produced in reliance on market incentives are qualitatively better as sources of "politically relevant information" than information produced by alternative sources because they are produced (a) free of the bonds of patronage and government, the two alternative sources of funding for information producers; and (b) in response to the interests and needs of as wide a social group as is the market, and hence contain what many people see as information relevant to them. It is to this sophisticated version of the Harper & Row defense of property in information that recognizing the choice represented by the Free Republic problem-the choice among different strategies used by information producers-is most relevant.


3.2. Effects of Enclosure on Information Production Strategies

I have elsewhere developed in more detail a model that outlines the effects of changes in property rights in information on the strategies used by information producers.12 The core claim is this. Many people in society engage in information production. They produce and exchange symbols for a variety of reasons, and using a variety of strategies to appropriate the benefits of their production. While a more detailed typology is possible, it is important to understand three major divides in the extant distribution of strategies used by information producers in our economy. First, there is the division between commercial and noncommercial producers. Unlike in the production of wheat or automobiles, the noncommercial sector is of crucial importance in our information production system. Universities, government (through both direct investment in government labs or research institutes and indirect investment through NSF grants and the like), political and civic organizations, amateurs, are all integral and crucial components of how we produce information on both large and small scales. Second, there is the division within the commercial sector between those who appropriate the benefits of their investment by relying on property rights, and those who appropriate the benefits of their production by relying on early access to the information (like wire services) or by giving the information for free and appropriating the benefits through relationships created around the information (like lawyers who write for the National Law Journal). Third, and finally, there is the division, within those who sell "information goods" in reliance on rights, between those who produce information on a small scale, like individual authors, and those who integrate new production with ownership of large existing-information inventories, like Disney or Time-Warner.

The core point to understand about property rights in information is that they have different effects on these different strategies, such that changes in the institutional content of property rights can help some of these strategies at the expense of others. In particular, increases in the scope and reach of property rights benefit commercial producers who sell information goods, at the expense of noncommercial producers and producers who appropriate the benefits of their production by means other than sale of rights. The primary culprit forcing this tradeoff is the rather unique attribute of information, that it is both input and output of its own production process. Increases in appropriability therefore are generally thought to cause a simultaneous increase both in expected ability to appropriate the value of outputs (and hence increased incentives) and in input costs. By endogenizing the strategies used by information producers, my model underscores that while expansion of rights increases the input costs of all producers, and thereby increases the production costs of all, such expansion benefits, and hence increases production incentives of, only producers who sell information goods in reliance on rights. Expansion of rights increases the returns to commercial producers who sell permission to use, in part by raising the costs of other producers who do not sell rights-either because they are noncommercial, or because they appropriate the benefits of their information production by means other than sale of permission.

Moreover, increases in the scope and reach of property rights favor large-scale organizations that own information inventories over small-scale organizations (including individuals) that do not own such inventories. The mechanism for this effect is as follows. Input costs increase because of the need to buy more inputs-more uses of information-that previously were not subject to anyone's right-in other words, were available from the public domain at their marginal cost of zero. An organization that owns a large inventory of existing information can respond to the loss of public domain inputs by intensifying reutilization of its owned inventory, and will do so to the extent that its inventory provides even rough substitutes for information inputs otherwise available only by purchase from others. Since the marginal cost of reutilization is zero (information is nonrival), but the (supply) price at which information is available from the market must be positive, a firm will see lower costs to utilization of owned inventory even when the social cost of using intrafirm resources is identical to the social cost of utilizing market-purchased inputs. This is so because of the nonrivalry, independent of and cumulative to any transaction costs effects. Organizations and individuals that do not have such an inventory do not have the reutilization option, and are forced to cover from the market information inputs no longer available from the public domain. This increases their input costs more rapidly than the rise in input costs of large-scale vertically integrated organizations.

In other words, when Congress passes a statute like the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, the Sonny Bono Term Extension Act, or the proposed database protection legislation, it is making a choice among types of information producers. It is choosing to increase the costs of academic scholars whose libraries must choose between buying more publications and buying more access rights to a smaller number of publications, in order to increase Reed Elsevier's returns. It is choosing to increase the costs of amateurs, like children who would put together web-based projects about their favorite cartoon characters, for example, in order to increase the returns to Disney. It is choosing to raise the economic barriers facing participants in the Free Republic forum in order to increase the returns to the Washington Post.


3.3. Evaluating Enclosure in Terms of Democracy

What are the normative implications of the prediction that enclosure of the public domain systematically prefers commercial to noncommercial producers; commercial producers who sell goods to commercial producers who give information away for free in expectation of income-producing relationships; and large-scale organizations that integrate new production with management of existing information inventories to small scale independent producers?

Recall that the Harper & Row response to the concerns over the political implications of enclosure is that the information produced in response to the incentives created by enclosure will provide more benefits to social-political discourse than it will cost. More information will be produced, and that information will be free of patronage/government coercion and will better respond to what all consumers want. As I suggested earlier, the quantitative portion of the claim is problematic in that it equates incentives to produce more information goods with incentives to produce more politically relevant information. Furthermore, the standard economic model does not purport to predict, a priori, that more property rights in information systematically yield more production, so the assumption that more property will always give us more information goods is unsupported by the standard model. And finally, my modification to the standard model suggests that even the non-specific predictions made by that model overstate the beneficial effects of property rights in information goods and understate the magnitude of the productivity-reducing effect that the standard model itself predicts, because it fails to account for the negative incentive effects to strategies that do not rely on rights to capture the benefits of their production.

More interesting is the qualitative version of the Harper & Row defense-that precisely because information produced in response to enclosure is market-oriented information, it will provide information that is better, from the perspective of democratic values. The most sophisticated version of this position is Neil Netanel's. He suggests that the rules of property in information must be carefully designed so that they promote independent (in the sense of not dependent on government or private funding) creation, but must be curtailed if they lead to aggregations of private power in the information environment that are inimical to open democratic discourse. While in many senses I would agree with Netanel insofar as one looks at the problem from an ex ante perspective and thinks about whether to design a society with or without some component of market-based information production, I believe that looking at the information production system we now have, and the enclosure movement we now face, a much more skeptical approach to enclosure will better serve the very democratic values Netanel himself embraces.

First, the systematic preference for commercial over noncommercial production is unwarranted. Noncommercial production is not primarily comprised of government or patronage-dependent propaganda. It includes in large measure the most independent and diverse sector of all, the amateur sector. If you hear of a news story or political scandal from a friend by the water cooler, you have received information from an amateur source, who relied on and interpreted other sources (and presumably added his or her own embellishments), which may have been more-or-less commercial. The selection of the materials for presentation, and the views expressed, were entirely unconstrained, by either legal or market discipline. The participants of the Free Republic forum are beholden to no one when they select the stories on which they comment and when they write their opinions and exchange them. In this sense, amateur production is the most important source of the least constrained and most diverse information. Furthermore, some more organized and "professional" portions of the noncommercial production system have created institutional frameworks to separate funding from content control. "Tenure" and "academic freedom" come to mind as obvious institutional devices to assure that scholars who rely on government or private funding are insulated from the preference of the funding parties as to the information content produced by the recipients. To prefer commercial to noncommercial information production for the reason of freedom from government or patronage constraint is to ignore-even in the political arena-the importance of production motives other than monetary appropriation based on sale of goods. It is also to ignore that our society has found ways to permit creators to live by their pens without depending on market success, while insulating them to a great extent from the power of the purse.

Second, unless the scale economies of information goods production (large first copy, small marginal per-copy costs) change radically, commercial producers will systematically "aim for the middle," or for those products that will gain the most attention from the widest group of consumers. This is so for reasons familiar in the literature that has long criticized our polity's excessive reliance on commercial broadcasting.13 This effect will likely be somewhat mitigated in an environment that permits an infinite number of "channels," because it removes one scarcity that limits the ability of companies to focus on niche markets. Nonetheless, other scarcities, like human capital on the supply side and attention on the demand side, suggest that a commercial product will be produced only if it has an audience large enough, given the intensity of its members' preferences, to pay for the product's development and production costs. A noncommercial product may be developed simply as an expression of its maker's thoughts, but more importantly, in anticipation of capturing the attention of all those who would be interested enough to spend the time reading or listening, but not the money needed to buy. It is the diversity of a far-flung Speakers' Corner that is lost when we design our laws to benefit commercial at the expense of noncommercial speakers.Third, if in fact enclosure benefits large-scale organizations at the expense of small scale producers, then the Harper & Row argument must maintain that, from a democratic values perspective, information produced by such large-scale organizations is preferable to information produced by small-scale producers who do not own information inventories. There are two types of reasons to think the contrary.

First, what makes large-scale organizations more robust in a dynamic increasing-rights environment is their ability to access and reutilize large pools of pre-existing information that they own. This means that increasing rights give these organizations reasons to search for ways to reuse information they own because they own it, not because it is the most suitable information to make the best new product given available human capital. What one would predict, in effect, is increased output of the Lethal Weapon IV, Mickey Mouse band aids, and "best of" or blooper show variety. Organizations that do not own inventories see all available inputs of pre-existing information at their (above marginal cost) market price, and will not likely have a similar bias. Since producers will distort their production choices relative to consumer preferences based on the contents of their owned inventory, and since they will try to find the recombinations that will appeal to the largest segments possible, the probability that a consumer will actually be able to find his or her first-best preferred good is relatively low. Putative consumers faced with this behavior will therefore not invest in producing a first-best preference ordering about their interests in the first place. Instead, rational consumers will wait for producers to "invent" a menu and only then invest in deciding as a second-best solution what on the available menu is their preferred offering.14 This rational absence of consumer first-best preferences weakens the Harper & Row argument, that commercial producers effectively serve diversity because they well respond to consumer preferences.

Second, a democratic deficit emerges when a small number of organizations or individuals gain too large a share of the power to control the content of the information available to the polity. Again, this is an aspect commonly found in the literature criticizing commercial concentration in broadcasting,15 and is exemplified by the reported suppression of a news report about security failures in Disney World prepared for 20/20, the news magazine aired on Disney's subsidiary ABC.16 An information production system composed of many small-scale producers, commercial or noncommercial, will have less of a tendency to be dominated by a small set of political or other agendas than one populated by a small number of large-scale organizations, whether commercial or noncommercial, that centralize production of large portions of what occupies the attention of a society's constituents.


4. The Free Republic Problem

The Free Republic problem is a problem that all market-based democracies must face when they think of information policy. To make markets in information goods possible, governments must undertake to prevent many of their constituents from reading and speaking in ways that would be beneficial and feasible to these constituents, but that must be curtailed if the state is to serve the public interest by creating a market in information goods. Such a choice to sacrifice the individual interests in using information in order to further a social policy goal of making markets in information goods should raise serious normative concerns in liberal democracies. These concerns are compounded when the means of pursuing the social good of information markets appear to foster the development of large-scale commercial information producers who integrate new production with ownership of owned-information inventories, at the expense of noncommercial producers, both professional and amateur, and of small-scale independent commercial producers.

The practical consequence of recognizing the Free Republic problem is to recommend that we adopt a studied skepticism towards the adoption of new rights in information goods or other new restraints on users' capacity to access information. New rules that enclose the public domain must be put to a fairly rigorous test to show that they will not have the undesired effect on freedom of speech and diversity of discourse. Given the central role of large-scale organizations in our present information infrastructure, and the relatively expansive scope of rights already available to them, this is likely to prove a formidable task indeed.


1 See www.freerepublic.com, browse to Forum.

2 See Pam Mendels, Newspaper Suit Raises Fair Use Issues, NYT, Cybertimes, October 2, 1998.

3 In focusing on this tension, this paper follows Rosemary J. Coombe, Objects of Property, Subjects of Politics: Intellectual Property Laws and Democratic Dialogue, 69 Tex. L. Rev. 1853 (1991); Niva Elkin Koren, Cyberlaw and Social Change: A Democratic Approach To Copyright Law In Cyberspace, 14 Cardozo Arts & Ent. L.J. 215 (1996); Neil Netanel, Copyright and A Democratic Civil Society, 106 Yale L.J. 283 (1996). James Boyle, A Politics of Intellectual Property: Environmentalism for the Net? http://www.wcl.american.edu/pub/faculty/boyle/intprop.htm. A more complete statement of my argument here is Free As the Air to Common Use, First Amendment Constraints on Enclosure of the Public Domain, forthcoming 73 NYU. L. Rev. No. 2, May, 1999.

4 Treatments of this speech-restricting character of copyright and its potential conflict with the first amendment's speech clause include Diane Leenheer Zimmerman, Information as Speech, Information as Goods: Some Thoughts On Marketplaces and the Bill of Rights, 33 Wm & Mary L. Rev. 665 (1992); L. Ray Patterson & Stanley F. Birch, Jr., Copyright and Free Speech Rights, 4 J. Intell. Prop. L. 1 (1996); Mark A. Lemley & Eugene Volokh, Freedom of Speech and Injunctions in Intellectual Property Cases, 48 Duke L. J. 147.

5 Pub. Law 105-304 § 103, enacting new 17 U.S.C. § 1201 (1998).

6 The term refers to a variety of techniques that permit providers of information in digital form to use self-help to regulate access to their products. These measures can perform a range of functions, including gathering information about every use of a digitally-encoded piece of information as well as limiting or altogether preventing its use. See Mark Stefik, Shifting the Possible: How Trusted Systems and Digital Property Rights Challenge Us to Rethink Digital Publishing, 12 Berkeley Tech. L.J. 137, 138-40 (1997).

7 The Librarian must conduct a rulemaking on the record two years after enactment of the Act, and every three years thereafter, to determine whether enforcement of the provision as to any class of works will adversely effect the ability of users to make noninfringing uses of such works. Pub-L. 105-304 §103, enacting 47 U.S.C. §1201(a)(1) (B)-(D).

8 Id., enacting §1201(a)(1) (E).

9 Harper & Row, Publishers, Inc., v. Nation Enters., 471 U.S. 539 (1985).

10 By referring to organizing our lives as individuals, as well as a polity, I am purposefully adopting an expansive sense of the term "politically relevant information" to include in effect the practices of making meaning that structure our understanding of what options are open to us both as autonomous individuals and as self-governing citizens, and our valuation of these various options.

11 A stark statement of this defense is Paul Goldstein, Copyright's Highway, From Gutenberg to the Celestial Jukebox 232 (1994). Another, more nuanced version is Netanel, supra, at 342-62.

12 See Yochai Benkler, Intellectual Property and the Organization of Information Production (MS 1999) (available http://www.law.nyu.edu/benklery/Ipec.pdf).

13 See. e.g., C. Edwin Baker, Giving the Audience What It Wants, 58 Ohio St. L.J. 311 (1997); Jerome A. Barron, Access to the Press--A New First Amendment Right, 80 Harv. L. Rev. 1641 (1967); Owen M. Fiss, Why the State? 100 Harv. L. Rev. 781 (1987).

14 For a more detailed description of this problem as it arises in broadcasting see Yochai Benkler, Overcoming Agoraphobia: Building the Commons of the Digitally Networked Environment, 11 Harv. J.L. & Tech. 287, 365-68 (1998).

15 See sources cited supra, note 13; see also C. Edwin Baker, Private Power, the Press, and The Constitution, 10 Const. Comment. 421 (1993).

16 See Lawrie Mifflin, An ABC News Reporter Tests the Boundaries of Investigating Disney and Finds Them, N.Y. Times, Oct. 19, 1998, Section C., p. 8, col. 1.


1 Posted on 12/07/2000 02:52:16 PST by ICU812
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To: ICU812

We made it to the Ivy League.

2 Posted on 12/07/2000 02:54:37 PST by diotima
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To: logos, Jeff Head, Lion Den Dan, squantos, harpseal, Poohbah, RightWing2, Bob Celeste

This needs to be mandatory reading for all FReepers - posters and lurkers alike.

3 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:03:47 PST by SLB
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To: Jim Robinson

This needs to be mandatory reading before you let anyone lurk, post or otherwise use the services of FR. Guess that is a little harsh, but the points in the paper need to be brought out and made public.

4 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:05:35 PST by SLB
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To: ICU812

Ultimately, advertising generates the revenue of newspapers and the advertising is, for the most part, local. People buy the paper so that they can 1)read the (old) news at a liesurely pace and 2)for the ads of what's on sale, what's on at the movies, what going on around town, etc.

Therefore, The Washington Post's and the L.A. Times' commercial interest are not threatened by the FreeRepublic forums.

5 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:10:35 PST by libertylover
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To: Jim Robinson

Congratulations on achieving "case study" status.

6 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:11:48 PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: ICU812

Thanks for the post. I've been exposed to so much leagal jargon lately that it was a pleasure to read an argument that I actually understood.

7 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:20:38 PST by Gramps
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To: ICU812

Just a few passing thoughts--

1- this guy sure uses a lot of verbiage'...

2- the real Question-- are we free, or aren't we- to exchange ideas, news, and information...

3- and if the answer is "no," then at what point do we become slaves to the state?

8 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:22:02 PST by backhoe
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To: ICU812

"The Free Republic problem is a problem that all market-based democracies must face when they think of information policy. To make markets in information goods possible, governments must undertake to prevent many of their constituents from reading and speaking in ways that would be beneficial and feasible to these constituents, but that must be curtailed if the state is to serve the public interest by creating a market in information goods. Such a choice to sacrifice the individual interests in using information in order to further a social policy goal of making markets in information goods should raise serious normative concerns in liberal democracies."

The Free Republic problem is a problem that all market-based Constitutional Republics must face when they think of information policy. To make markets in information goods possible, governments must undertake to prevent many of their constituents from reading and speaking in ways that would be beneficial and feasible to these constituents, but that must be curtailed if the state is to serve the public interest by creating a market in information goods. Such a choice to sacrifice the individual interests in using information in order to further a social policy goal of making markets in information goods should raise serious normative concerns in Constitutional Republics.

9 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:23:17 PST by Uncle Bill
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To: backhoe

1- this guy sure uses a lot of verbiage'...

Well it is Yale after all, if you don't sound pretentious you're not even allowed in the door. :-)

What I really object to is being called a "Free Republican". I think I'll e-mail Mr. Benkler and ask him to correct that in any future drafts.

10 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:27:07 PST by ICU812
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To: SLB

"This needs to be mandatory reading for all FReepers - posters and lurkers alike.?

The piece is barely readable. Don't think you will find too many of us reading it through.

11 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:27:12 PST by Ada Coddington
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To: Jim Robinson

You're in "the bigs", Jim.

[...coming back to read later...]

12 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:29:10 PST by logos
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To: libertylover

Don't forget the gay classified.

13 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:36:26 PST by ingeborg
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To: ICU812

...To make markets in information goods possible, governments must undertake to prevent many of their constituents from reading and speaking in ways that would be beneficial and feasible to these constituents, but that must be curtailed if the state is to serve the public interest by creating a market in information goods. Such a choice to sacrifice the individual interests in using information in order to further a social policy goal of making markets in information goods should raise serious normative concerns in liberal democracies.

I kept thinking of "Fahrenheit 451" and book burnings while reading this article. Suppression of literature in general.

14 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:38:15 PST by philman_36
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To: philman_36

"You ain't seen nothing yet." - Algore

15 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:53:26 PST by Marauder
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To: ICU812

Mr. Benkler must be referring to some other case. He keeps referring to "information goods," but the WP deals in disinformation goods, joining the LAT, NYT, etal. in a relentless campaign to mislead and propagandize an entire society in furtherance of liberal law-breaking at the highest levels of government. I would ask Mr. Benkler, "Who watches the watchers?"

16 Posted on 12/07/2000 03:57:40 PST by Bonaparte
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To: backhoe

Well, not "slaves to the state" per se (at least not in this instance), but rather beholden to the state for what we may and may not know. And, upon KNOWING what we know, how we may react to it and discuss it.

17 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:15:49 PST by Illbay
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To: ICU812

In the particular case of political information, a policy set which encourages the formation of an information "industry" consisting of a small number of large producers should give us pause, especially if there is evidence that individuals of differing political persuasions are unequally likely, for whatever reasons, to seek employment among the large information production companies.

It appears to be an empirical fact that individuals professing a 'liberal' political orientation are far more likely than others to engage in the production of political information as part of a large enterprise committed to the production of such information, whether commercial or non-commercial. It is not obvious why this would be so, but surveys demonstrate that it is. The Washington press corps is, according to survey data, eighty to ninety per cent Democratic in its political leanings. Amongst professional academics, the proportion of political liberals appears to be even higher.

Thus any policy set which favors large institutional forms in the production and dissemination of political information will as a side effect provide an enormous advantage to the political left in terms of an ability to persuade less politically commited individuals to one side or the other.

Those who associate the protection of private property rights in information with the rights of large institutional forms therefore set the stage for the ultimate abolition of that which they seek to protect, for those who will take advantage of the protections offered are also those most committed to the abolition of private property rights of all kinds.

18 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:16:37 PST by Nick Danger
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To: philman_36

I love the way he speaks nonchalantly about the government's role in "creating markets". What a joke!

The Marxist dialectic is certainly alive and well at Yale.

19 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:18:00 PST by Illbay
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To: Nick Danger

Thus any policy set which favors large institutional forms in the production and dissemination of political information will as a side effect provide an enormous advantage to the political left in terms of an ability to persuade less politically commited individuals to one side or the other.

It is the left (and it has ALWAYS been the left) who foams at the mouth about deciding what "the people" should and should not know.

In this respect, the editors of the WashPost, LAT, NYT et al, are no different than the apparatchiks that ran Pravda.

20 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:20:27 PST by Illbay
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To: ICU812

Bump for later review.
One point I do notice; where is the distinction made between Political News and Non-Political News? The First Amendment, and the ancillary renderings made pursuant thereto, have all set a boundary that Citizens have the right to discover, discern, distribute, and discuss, any Political News within the Constitutional Republic.

Like most Ivy-Leaguers, this Yalie is confused between Democracy and Republic.

21 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:23:33 PST by brityank
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To: SLB

Thanks for the flag on this. If Free Republic can be censored then I guess we have lost the liberty of expression that a whole lot of people died for.

Stay well - Yorktown

22 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:35:00 PST by harpseal
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To: ICU812, Clarity, Dog Gone

Actually read the whole thing.......and found it superb. Excellent arguments in here. The author does a great job of skewering large "aggregators" of information.

This has been one of my pet peeves with the Washington Post and the LA Times' stance(s). Much/most of their content is obtained via third parties (Reuters, etc.). How much of their content is truly original.......and of what value is that original content? IMHO, most of their original content is confined to ridiculously biased, left-wing drivel. That's not just a "shot" at these publications, but a studied reaction to reading much of their editorial content over the years. Is there inherent value to "democratic values" in simply spouting the trite, predictable, and often misstated or outright false pronouncements of a liberal Democratic administration and their cronies/supporters? I submit that there is not.

These publications, and others of their ilk, purport to protect their content due to the content's inherent value......no matter the source of the content. [As an aside, this is why I don't think it matters a whit if we eliminate ANY content from those publications in FR: 90%+ of what one could find in either of these publications can be had elsewhere, hassle-free.] However, they truly aren't as stupid as this makes them sound. This has nothing to do with intellectual rights as far as their decisions to sue FR are concerned. This is, as usual, about money.

Every major news publication/source wants to become the de facto source for online "news". The Internet is a medium, and we must not forget that. They wish to exercise as great a level of control over the content supplied to this medium as they are in their legacy media: newspapers, TV, radio, magazines, etc. This is one little "complaint" with this piece from Yale that I had: as good as it is, it completely misses the importance of this attempt by larger media outlets to control content on a huge, but still relatively young, medium. The consequences are enormous......and they know it.

IOW, a young man in his 20's can put up a Web site, operating from his apartment in Southern California, for next to nothing.....and gain an enormous international following (simply for the price of logging on, the world can access his information). This equates to power. A Matt Drudge, therefore, represents......no, epitomizes.....the task facing these larger media outlets. How can they compete efficiently with that? Their only differentiator becomes quality of original content.....and they are SORELY lacking in that department (that's the elephant in the living room that they choose to ignore, and the author touches on occasionally in his piece). If what they produced was that "good", people would flock to their sites to read it. However, it isn't that "good" at all, and is generally (as described above) rehashes of Administration press releases and liberal drivel, sad to say.

Their online-venture failures, in an economic sense, directly fall from that lack of quality original content....and content is KING on the Internet. FR's value is original content: not just the occasional outstanding "vanity" post, but the replies in every thread. This is why we come to FR. This real-time feedback adds a new dimension to news and news analysis heretofore unseen. Only a medium such as the Internet could allow such a thing. Instead of shouting at our individual TV sets in our own living rooms, we now log onto FR and shout collectively, yet we learn from each others' insights and experiences in doing so.

The Times and Post cannot compete with that, and they know it. That is why they sued.

23 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:42:22 PST by RightOnline
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To: ICU812

Make the TV bosses sweat

US Agency Asked to Investigate TV Election Calls

Accuracy In Media is a non-profit, grassroots citizens watchdog of the news media that critiques botched and bungled news stories and sets the record straight on important issues that have received slanted coverage.

Media Research Center

24 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:42:58 PST by Manny Festo
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To: harpseal

Good read.....but "Free Republicans" sounds like something from a pre-Civil War Supreme Court opinion......(G)

25 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:45:01 PST by ken5050
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To: ICU812

It is choosing to increase the costs of amateurs, like children who would put together web-based projects about their favorite cartoon characters, for example, in order to increase the returns to Disney. It is choosing to raise the economic barriers facing participants in the Free Republic forum in order to increase the returns to the Washington Post.

A fairly heavy read before the caffine from my coffee kicks in. This reduces the argument to its bare bones, discussion of ideas vs. corporate profits. There seem to be an implied comparison between children and FreeRepublic (we are, for the most part amateurs and citizens who are here for the love of the subject.) I suppose that we will have to be generous and just ascribe it to an oversight in this otherwise positive article.

26 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:45:36 PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: ICU812

Such a choice to sacrifice the individual interests in using information in order to further a social policy goal of making markets in information goods should raise serious normative concerns in liberal democracies."

What has always irked me about this case has been the newspapers inalienable right to use any thing we say or do in creating an article to print, thus creating said advertising revenue, but not the publics right to use anything they say or do for mere discussion.

Case in point, if I were a movie star I would be told over and over again about the fact that because I was a public figure the media had a right to photograph me at any time or snoop around my wedding etc, but If I were a movie star poster on free republic I couldnt post that entire article here for fear of lawsuit.

27 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:48:03 PST by DainBramage
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To: ICU812

bttt for later reference.

28 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:48:19 PST by rface
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To: ICU812

Well, I'll be damned. Footnotes and ever'thang.

29 Posted on 12/07/2000 04:49:42 PST by cunning
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To: Pete from Shawnee Mission

There seem to be an implied comparison between children and FreeRepublic (we are, for the most part amateurs and citizens who are here for the love of the subject.) I suppose that we will have to be generous and just ascribe it to an oversight in this otherwise positive article.

I have two fifth graders and a third grader(and a couple of others) who are required to bring news articles w/personal comment to school periodically. Let's just say that every day is "current event day" at FR.

30 Posted on 12/07/2000 05:03:09 PST by kitchenman
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To: RightOnline

Interesting comments, but you ignore the fact that Free Republic probably was giving the ComPost and LA Times Web sites net hits on balance. If it were all about money, I'm not at all sure the suit makes sense.

I think the suit is about politics, and I strongly suspect it was urged on the two plaintiffs by the White House. It will be interesting to see if they continue their suit in a Dubya administration.

31 Posted on 12/07/2000 05:04:14 PST by aristeides (demosthenes@olg.com)
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To: ICU812, Clarity

I posted this Benkler piece on FR some time ago, but thanks for posting it again.

Clarity, you may want to look at the comments that the Benkler piece has elicited this time around.

32 Posted on 12/07/2000 05:05:27 PST by aristeides (demosthenes@olg.com)
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To: ICU812

Of course Yalies would ignore the most important issue and get others wrong. Our argument is not whether someone can copyright information, and whether someone can copyright information that is distributed on the internet.

The issue is what kinds of information can be copyrighted and what protections or exclusions are provided by that copyright on that type of information.

Specifically there are some aspects of Compost and Laxatimes information that is of interest to the Free Republic.

1. It is news that they did not create - i.e. it is usually public domain information, information about and often provided for by public agencies already paid for by taxpayers. I.e. the raw data is already ours, not theirs.

2. It is political information. The first ammendment has always been interpreted to provide the highest protection to political speech, debate, and discourse. Unfettered freedom to do this is an essential foundation of our liberties and that was well understood by the founders who crafted our constitution and all subsequent interpreters thereof. Once the Post or Times put political information in the public domain through its utterence, they invite repetition and comment by the public. This right of the public may not be taken away by the congress because they have no right to make such laws.

3. Under copyright laws there is the fair use doctrine with which we are all familiar.

4. Circumventing Digital Millennium Copyright Act is irrelevant to this discussion. This is a technical law. It presumes that copyright protection is legitimately afforded in the information in the first place, which is where we draw our line in the sand.

Leave it to Yalies to miss the boat and talk in high-faluting language about irrelevancies.

33 Posted on 12/07/2000 05:05:44 PST by AndyJackson
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To: aristeides

"...you ignore the fact that Free Republic probably was giving the ComPost and LA Times Web sites net hits on balance. If it were all about money, I'm not at all sure the suit makes sense."

No, I do not ignore the "hits" issue, although I did not dwell on that in my response above (admittedly). As one who makes his living in business development consulting with high-tech companies (especially Internet-based ventures), I understand the value of "eyeballs on the other side of the glass". I take it as a given that the Post and Times have actually garnered more "hits" via exposure of their content on FR than they would have had otherwise, and frankly, they should know it, too. That isn't their issue, per se'. I think it's about competition and control. They believe that the more they control their online content, the more revenue they will accrue. What they fail to grasp is that having their content disseminated and analyzed......and if it's good content.......will do nothing but help their site and the associated credibility.

IOW, their lawsuit against FR was a superb example of cutting off their noses to spite their faces, and they have ignored principles known to any student of Marketing 101. Political leanings may.....and probably do......have much to do with it, but the Conservative bent of FR merely served to make us more "visible" as a target, IMHO.

I also know for a fact, for reasons I cannot discuss, that the Washington Post staff is catching enormous heat for their relative failure in their efforts to become the premiere news-oriented site on the Web. Yes, it's about money; make no mistake.

34 Posted on 12/07/2000 05:17:16 PST by RightOnline
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To: ICU812

"it will make more difficult amateur discussions like those on the Free Republic forum"

We're fast losing our amateur status if you ask me! :-)

Heck, lately, we've been "keying" the "pros" with our ideas!

The Black Knight comes immediately to mind...

(`tis but a scratch...)

35 Posted on 12/07/2000 06:11:31 PST by No!
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To: aristeides

I think the suit is about politics, and I strongly suspect it was urged on the two plaintiffs by the White House.

I would agree that it is the political rather than an economic basis for the suit. The leftist newspapers just can't stand to see the bias and inaccuracies in their reporting exposed and skewed in a public forum. Ridicule is a powerful weapon which we constantly use against them.

36 Posted on 12/07/2000 06:20:55 PST by TroutStalker
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To: AndyJackson

Circumventing Digital Millennium Copyright Act is irrelevant to this discussion.

On the contrary, it is critically important. The access control elements of DCMA would, if upheld, effectively repeal fair use law. For example, if one circumvents the security of a two-hour video in order to extract a five-second clip to cite in a review -- a classic example of protected fair use -- one violates the DCMA, or at least enters so deep a grey area as to be subject to SLAPP attack if the owner takes exception to you.

37 Posted on 12/07/2000 06:39:12 PST by steve-b
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To: TroutStalker

That is exactly right. The author of this piece did an excellent job in outlining some of the competing legal and public policy issues regarding the use of information. Free Republic made for a good story line on which to center the discussion.

But the author completely glossed over what I believe to be a key reason for the law suit --- the fact that Free Republic scrutinized, and often ridiculed, the articles posted from these sources. Nowhere else were these organizations being held publicly accountable for the spin and bias they were demonstrating in their stories.

To be sure, both the LA Times and Washington Post were sources that we valued, because some of the information was original and valuable. On many occasions we praised some of the articles for getting it right.

But had this forum only praised the information posted from those sources, I am quite sure that they would not have filed suit.

38 Posted on 12/07/2000 06:46:40 PST by Dog Gone
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To: RightOnline

BUMP

39 Posted on 12/07/2000 14:05:34 PST by philman_36
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To: aristeides

I posted this Benkler piece on FR some time ago, but thanks for posting it again.

Sorry I searched and couldn't find it.

I think this Benkler fellow makes some good points but ultimately misses the bus. The first amendment says 'Congress shall make no law...' abridging the freedom of speech, the courts have ruled that political speech is the kind that should be most zealously protected, Free Republic is pure political speech and any copyright law that prevents people from discussing politics on a forum like this is unconstitutional. Imagine if you could never pass around a newspaper clipping to your friends for discussion, or tape something off of television to show someone. This is exactly the kind of restrictions they want to put on the internet and the consequences for free speech as we move into the information age are chilling.

40 Posted on 12/07/2000 14:57:13 PST by ICU812
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To: Illbay

I love the way he speaks nonchalantly about the government's role in "creating markets". What a joke!

In fairness to the guy, he IS right, to an extent

A market is a place where a buyer and a seller can come together and exchange a product for something of value. If the seller arrives and has his product stolen, it's not a market, it's a crime scene

The role of government in creating a "market" is to enforce rules that ensure that transactions are voluntary on both sides, with value being exchanged for value

The issue is whether "news" is a product with intrinsic value, which may only be taken and used with payment

41 Posted on 12/07/2000 16:23:42 PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: steve-b, Clarity, Jim Robinson

For example, if one circumvents the security of a two-hour video in order to extract a five-second clip to cite in a review -- a classic example of protected fair use -- one violates the DCMA

Here's an example even more directly relevant to this forum: There are several news web sites that use JavaScript in their web pages to disable being able to easily cut-and-paste text from their pages. This can be easily bypassed by doing a "view->page source" from your browser, and cut/pasting from the page-source page.

Technically, does this act constitute a "security circumvention", and if the text is posted to FR, does this expose FR to liability?

42 Posted on 12/07/2000 16:31:36 PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Cyber Liberty

Ping... if you haven't seen it already....

43 Posted on 12/07/2000 16:37:11 PST by RikaStrom
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To: SauronOfMordor

BTTT

44 Posted on 12/07/2000 16:46:46 PST by Longbow
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To: ICU812,

Interesting....... Great read. Good ponder material.

45 Posted on 12/07/2000 16:48:58 PST by Delta-5-2
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To: ICU812

Bump for contributions to the FR Legal Defense Fund.

46 Posted on 12/07/2000 17:01:20 PST by 6ppc
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To: ICU812, all

The Free Republic Problem: Markets in Information Goods vs. The Marketplace of Ideas (Thread I)

47 Posted on 12/07/2000 17:39:04 PST by Benoit Baldwin
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To: SauronOfMordor

"Creating" markets is NOT equivalent to creating RULES that govern markets.

I have no problem with the notion that government has a vested interest in "protecting" markets. Governments are, after all, ideally simply the consensus will of the governed.

But the notion that governments CREATE markets is just plain silly. If a century of Marism-Leninism didn't teach us that, we can't be taught.

48 Posted on 12/07/2000 18:29:11 PST by Illbay
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