Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
| Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body; it does not involve itself in public disclosures; and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress. It has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial. It can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency; they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations. FEMA had one original concept when it was created—to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America’s savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas. The most powerful organization in the United States Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, many people don’t know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA’s name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army. FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency—foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate: The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979. Hurricane Andrew focused attention on FEMA. FEMA’s deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief. FEMA’s enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare Martial Law, which activities FEMA’s extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial. Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking Martial Law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster. Three times FEMA has stood by ready for emergency In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directive Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA’s readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States who would be interned at 10 detention centers set up at military bases throughout the country. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Blacks in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush’s invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area. The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Reynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the danger of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison’s worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan’s Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American’s enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy (sic)." The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks; the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to Martial Law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency. The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended. The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist; it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored. Copyright FreeAmerica and Harry V. Martin, 1995. Clinton's Executive Order 12919 (The Idaho Observer, May, 1997) gives the president the power to declare an emergency which instantly gives FEMA the authority to take control of the things listed in this article. EO 12919 is just one more clue that should tell Americans what "our" federal government has in store for all of us.—The Idaho Observer, website: http://www.proliberty.com/observer
Ph. 208-777-7888; fax 208-777-2032 Here are a few EXECUTIVE ORDERS associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a presidential pen:
|
Yes, Texas, There Are Black Helicopters
The Rise Of The FBI and The Fall Of The Republic
Shadow Government of the United States and the Decline of America
7 Years Of Hell At Hands Of IRS
DOES ANYBODY CARE? - They Are Coming For You
[
Reply |
Private Reply | Top | Last ]
Why don't you go back and dredge up some of the "Ike is a communist" articles from THE NEW AMERICAN from the 1950's? They'd be about as relevant as some of the other tripe you've posted in the last 24 hours.
BTW, why is a "Christian music site" hosting articles about FEMA?
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Once we spent a lot of money on Civil Defense (i.e. civilian defense). Now we spend billions for "continuity of government" programs (i.e. save the politicans, citizens be damned). And the self righteous SOB's call themselves public servants.
Regards
J.R.
FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is bypassed.
BUZZ! Wrong answer.
Some of us happen to know that Congress has a 30-day veto over EOs.
Others of us understand that the USA has been under Military Rule since the Civil War (as Congress admitted in 1972) and therefore there is no rule of Law, just a color of Law.
And then there are those who understand that all agreements such as this are completely in the minds of the beholders, and we are all entirely free - subject only to our own desires, needs and understandings.
Executive Orders - A Blueprint for Dictatorship?
Thank's for reminding us, and for taking the predictable arrows from sheeple and statists.
Reply #2! Spink, you never fail to let me down! It's good to know that you're still on top of things, you must have a super-fast DSL server.
Here, go play here a while....
That's where the leftist sheep hang out, you might just be more welcome there than you think!
Cheers!
Boring.
That would be our trustworthy Congress...right?
MY GOD! WHAT A THREAT! I guess G.W Bush will just have to undo it! Should be very simple! One EO from Bush and poof no more FEMA! Oh thats right FEMA controls the President! How silly of me.
Bet before this thread burns out that the RiveroPosse will be on the trail!
"BTW, why is a "Christian music site" hosting articles about FEMA?"
Don't you know or can't you see that "Christian" is the antithesis of what
I heard Larry Nichols state last night that old Dick Nixon was planning to use FEMA to forceably take over the US. Old "I'm not a Crook" Dick Nixon as bad as Clinton.
Whew!
....why is a "Christian music site" hosting articles about FEMA?
I guess they care about freedom, Spinky. Maybe they want their people aware of the tyranny that lies behind the curtain, set to persecute Americans for their religious beliefs at the drop of a hat or the order of a dictator (president). Think it don't happen in America?
Has FEMA ever actually "intervened" anywhere?
Clinton abdication watch:
CITIZENS' TRANSITION ASSURANCE TEAMS: A MODEST PROPOSAL
POSSIBLE SITES FOR PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY AND PROTEST
It's been a strange day today. Black Hueys have been hovering around the house, and latetely I'm looking behind road signs for markers pointing to possible concentration camps, LOL.
The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. The crisis, as the government now sees it, is civil unrest.
How hard would it be for Jessie Jackson and gang to manufacture civil "unrest"?
FAKE TERROR - THE ROAD TO DICTATORSHIP
FEMA is hardly a force to be reckoned with. They are not competent to wipe their own behinds.
Clinton abdication watch:
CITIZENS' TRANSITION ASSURANCE TEAMS: A MODEST PROPOSAL
POSSIBLE SITES FOR PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY AND PROTEST
Wht do you constantly post to threads you have no intrest in ?
Especially chilling is that now, FEMA is under the Justice Department. The pretense of disaster response is going away; FEMA is an ENFORCEMENT agency, a martial-law department.
Please post your graphic that shows how many people have perished at the hands of government. This thread needs that graphic posted.
Thanks in advance!
Thnaks for not answering my question.
OOps! LOL! With regards to your question, I do not know of any time that FEMA has ever acted in their Martial Law capacity. However, they sit ready to swoop in at a moment's notice. They are an organization that's been in the works since way back in Nixon's time.
Several presidents have worked on this shadow army for decades, they have been preparing for something. But no, I've never heard of them acting in any manner other than flood relief, etc. Time will tell......
Yeah FEMA is this deadly force alright! Tell that to the residence of South Boundbrook, New Jersey who a year ago, got flooded badly. They are still waiting for the two left feet of FEMA to make things right. If this is a threat to the US then the Boy Scouts should be the next Military Force to be afraid of.
Dang and the Moon is not even full yet!
:-) I understand your concern considering the potential power that FEMA could wield.
MEGA-
IS ANY ONE WATCHING THE CRIMINAL IN CHIEF????
Freep-on!!!
---
Roger that!
:).....Rightwhale---so very, very true! FEMA (and I'm personal friends with several government employees-and contracters- who work there) is bloated with political appointees sent out to pasture. One fellow--(GS 14) spends his days sleeping or reading magazines in his office. Another high-level FEMA employee had to be reprimanded for blowing his nose on the wall rather than using a tissue! (the cleaning service finally had enough and complained)..."Civil Defense" is an anachronism. "Continuity of Government" is the biggie.....
ROTFLAO!
Damn you, Harry! Now the secret is out! Damn you!!
Hey, I know the FEMA stuff; I know the methodology to dictatorship (both Machiavelli's and Ceasar's).
My point is you are as free as you are. No one can take freedom from you, some people may merely make it inconvenient to be near them.
In fact, there are times when other people's interference with your freedom may make it imperative to take drastic action.
FEMA is hardly a force to be reckoned with. They are not competent to wipe their own behinds.
FEMA can't even handle the current weather disaster in Arkansas. The state's pretty much taking care of that themselves.
Sure Harry! No Problemo!
For all of you scoffers that don't believe FEMA could lead to tyranny, remember that they have been given the power to set aside the Constitution of the United States in the execution of their duties. This means that they could very conceivably come after your guns, because the 2nd Amendment would be null and void under this "emergency" act. Remember - "Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared."
But don't believe me, I'll let the history of Gun Control and Police States speak for me -
While traveling in the area (driving a truck) I went to the Church grounds at Mt.Carmel......on the ground I found a piece of paper...just laying there.
On it was written the following.....
"To those who had ordered them to death one of them said: 'We die because the people are asleep and you will die because the people will awaken."
I have since found out that it was written by Carl Sandburg.......
redrock
good post
Well said. Think free...be free.
To the Inspector I can only add, many of us are well aware of the issue of executive orders. As long as people keep posting such pearls of wisdom as This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress or Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress without coming out and saying the whole organization is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and thus, entirely bogus and criminal, then they just serve to stir fear in all our hearts unnecessarily.
If FEMA came knocking at my door I would show them my own emergency management. Since they are an unconstituttional agency created by executive fiat they have absolutely no power over you and me, whatever they, and their fellow bureaucrats may think.
The really sad part about such federal agencies is the supreme waste of taxpayer dollars involved and the fact that so many are employed so unproductively. If only they had the intelligence to recognize shame for what it is...being an unproductive individual who lives at public expense.
G.W Bush do nothing
Since they are an unconstituttional agency created by executive fiat they have absolutely no power over you and me, whatever they, and their fellow bureaucrats may think.
Since when has the legality or constitutionality of an agency precluded it from killing people? The military at Waco were there unconstitutionally, remember?
BUMP!
Heads up.
Especially chilling is that now, FEMA is under the Justice Department. The pretense of disaster response is going away; FEMA is an ENFORCEMENT agency, a martial-law department.
I thought that bore repeating.
remember that they have been given the power to set aside the Constitution of the United States
Um, given by whom? Under what Constitutional authority?
Oh, sure, anyone can do or say anything -- and if they back that with force of arms they might even get other people to go along with them -- but that doesn't mean it's legitimate.
Colt .45 you will love this one
Interestingly, Operation Trojan Horse was the name given to the Branch Davidian project by the ATF. (Trojan Horses and Branch Davidians)
The exact number of ATF agents whom infiltrated the Mt. Carmel Center prior to the February 28, 1992 raid has never been revealed. We do know that the ATF raid was a test of the National Response Plan. (Waco: National Testbed Center) dan
[
Reply |
Private Reply | To 16 | Top | Last ]
FYI
Thanks for the post. Bump!
During the ramp-up for y2k, I read an article in which the head
of FEMA in TX
had some very pointed comments about the
orders that he was given and the power
that he would wield
if a "national emergency" was declared.
He would not be specific, but he left no doubt that the
power that he was to have
and use was VERY extensive and
was definitly something for the citizenry to be concerned
about.
(The citizens in TX are very lucky to have an ex-military
man of that quality/morality in the position.)
If the head of the agency in TX is concerned about what he
is supposed to do,
then the rest of us should wake up and take note about what he was trying to say.
I will post the article if I can locate it before this thread dies.
Do you have a link to that article by any chance? Sounds like a powerful read!
Regards,
I remember that while listening to the Iran Contra Hearings: Oliver North was testifying. He mentioned something about a plan that was in place or was being considered, concerning the use of martial law in times of disaster/emergency.It seemed to be a very hush-hush issue. I believe that they immediately went to Closed Session.
I never heard anything more about it.Does anybody remember that?
Your reasoning of "Oh, sure, anyone can do or say anything -- and if they back that with force of arms they might even get other people to go along with them -- but that doesn't mean it's legitimate" is indicative of someone who is living in La-la land! They will make it appear to be legitimate through propaganda! And folks like yourself will buy into it! Adolph Hitler counted on the apathy of people like you, so that he could implement the ideas of which he had written in 'Mein Kampf'. History shows us that he did accomplish this ... thanks to people like you!
If you take nothing else away from this conversation, take this ... the price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!
If you take nothing else away from this conversation, take this ... the price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance!
Amen to that. But I think that our greatest freedom is the freedom from fear. Vigilance is one thing, getting mired in conspiracy theories regarding an organization that has not once exercised its (admittedly scary) powers is another... Just my $0.02
Duh! MrMuse
REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises.
Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of at least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
BTT
What is the source of this article? I've never heard of REX84. If this is true it is surreal !!!
It must be that some Y2K'ers are reminiscing from last year about how we are gonna be enslaved in NWO labor camps, run by the CFR Bilderbergers..etc...must be a slow news day, all the tin hat stuff keeps coming out..but its fun to read the ranting, then, predictably getting flamed for not being a true american patriot, being leftist swine, and being a satanic globalist et at...
Same old BS..
Our President has declared that the state of Arkansas is in a state of emergency due to the winter storm. That means that FEMA is in charge right?
Thank God I don't live in Arkansas. Anybody heard from the Arkansas Freepers?
"But I think that our greatest freedom is the freedom from fear." We are not promoting fear! Just promoting awareness that it's there, and it's a "sleeping dog" that may be awakened at it's master's call.
Concering previous post:
Yea, must be the Y2K mob. I wonder how many got stuck with a generator they couldn't use. Take care.
Thanks for the bump for eternal vigilance!
Have you seen this site?
And this man wants to be Dir. of the CIA in the Bush Administration?! Gee, I wonder why.
Legislation to Regulate the Gun Industry
Waduyall think?
The federal government cannot be trusted to protect our liberty. The founding fathers knew that and tried to create a form of government to "check" the growth of central power and, thus, tyranny. King George, in all his fantasies, could never have hoped to wield the kind of power the United States government now wields.
This is a government churning out hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations every year. This is a government which tells us how much water our toilets may flush. This is a government which forces us to buy seat belts and air bags in the vehicles WE purchase because they think it is a good idea. This is a government which takes public land and makes it virtually off limits to the citizens who pay taxes to own and maintain it. The list of unconstitutional usurpations goes on and on.
Here, in the year 2000 (almost 2001) people dare to mock and ridicule those who ALREADY see a government out of control. Oh, you frogs cooking in the slowly boiling water! Conspiracy indeed. The tyranny is here and you are living it this very moment!
Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to Martial Law
"Ok...looks like these freepers are harmless...mooooove out...nothing important to see here...move along now."
Sad but true, my FRiend. We now need a license to cut hair, drive, deal firearms, add on to our homes, sell beer and spirits, and even to simply hunt wild game.
"They" have taken to calling our God-given rights "Civil liberties". I guess they figure that if they use that term long enough (and issue a license for everything) that the people won't squeal too loud when they try to take it all away.
Stay well,
Thank you for posting this. It is one I want to keep and very informative.
So much power and we should all be as informed as we can be about this kind of thing.
You're very welcome! I just clicked on your name and found out that you just joined today, congratulations and welcome! I'm glad your interested in the truth, sometimes the truth is a frightening thing to behold and this FEMA thing is a sterling example of just that. Stick around, there are some truly heated debates here at Free Republic but rarely are there any hard feelings. Just remember, when someone flames you for your beliefs it means two things:
Present people with the truth and the links to back it up, then politely debate. If your opponent resorts to flaming you, politely decline to play that way and tell him/her that you have already documented the facts and see no need to resort to personal attacks. (that eats 'em up!)
Again, welcome! We're tickled that you've joined!
NEWCOMERS DESK AND INFORMATION CENTER
What is the source of this article? I've never heard of REX84. If this is true it is surreal !!!
Seems like when I searched for that a long time ago, it was either REX-84 or with a space in it, REX 84. A few years ago there weren't many hits on Alta Vista for it. Now there are...133 in for REX-84. It generally shows up in searches re concentration camps and/or detention camps.
Yes, we've been to the site you linked in #66. A real eye opener. Somewhere on that site is a reference to the Illuminists backing the spread of Darby, Scofield and pre-trib rapture doctrines way back in the 1860's, just as they did atheistic Secular Humanism later on, to which so many subscribe, even those who SAY they are Christians. Pre-trib was also reported by Josephus as a deception by false prophets way back in 70 AD, so it isn't new, and of course, the Illuminists are satanists just as are communists and socialists.
| Bill Clinton's ruminations last week on appointing a military commander to defend the continental United States against germ and biological attacks by terrorists without doubt will activate every spavined patriot militia outfit across this nation. And the concept of such a leader will come as no surprise to the aficionados of REX 84, President Reagan's alleged secret plan to set up just such a command under the rubric of FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency. For people in the know, FEMA is the biggest conspiracy of them all. Although nominally established under the Carter presidency to coordinate and manage natural disasters like hurricanes and floods, FEMA spends most of its money provided under a "black" or unaccountable budget for construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of major emergency, foreign or domestic. Tank-like vehicles are strategically stashed at various points around the nation to ferry top federal officials and their loyalist troops around in the midst of a conflagration. According to one version of the FEMA conspiracy theory, in 1984 Reagan signed the REX84 order, directing FEMA to organize a national secret "readiness exercise." As Harry V. Martin's Internet monograph— "FEMA: The Secret Government"— explains it, the plan calls for deputizing U.S. military and National Guard units "so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States." This plan supposedly permits rounding up and imprisoning 21 million "American Negroes" in the event of massive rioting or disorder. Next on the list to be jailed are tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who have a gun at home. FEMA was in the wings and ready to go in the Rodney King L.A. riots and in the event of civil disorder during the Persian Gulf War, according to the report. It's only a matter of time. |
From here about halfway down the page.
When the Y2K spin hit, my life did not change. I have paid my dues and experienced my share of psy opts. Yes, there are numurous problems with respect to overzealous federal, state and local authorities, primarily the War On Drugs is being used as an excuse to curtail constitutional rights.
Insofar as FEMA, numurous drafts of a similar nature have been devised to the extent a national state of emergency is, in fact, declared. Irrespective, our biggest threat is with China, and as clearly set out by the Cox Commission. On another thread, I provided a sectional synopsis of that Commission's report, which is extensive in subject matter. I would be happy to debate the issues with you once you have read it. Black Hueys and FEMA is the least of my concern.
[
Reply |
Private Reply | To 76 | Top | Last ]
I think Libertarians will be near the top of that list Harry. We are a threat to the statists as we carry the memory of limited and Constitutional government in our heads. This makes us infectious.
The JBS and it's supporters are up there to. Ideas are dangerous to all statists. They are the seeds from which our nation grew from. The statists know this and they will work over time to wipe out this memory from the nation's conscience. Look at what has happened in every socialist coup since the French Coup(revolution to some). They proceed to wipe out all memories of the previous government and society. This includes killing ALL leaders or potential leaders and all who remember and speak out. They did it in Russia, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc. This is the modus operandi of all revolutions since the French coup.
Regards,
CATO
We finally got rid of squidnuts and now we've got Delta2-5. We're up to our butts in idiots!
"This means that they could very conceivably come after your guns, because the 2nd Amendment would be null and void under this "emergency" act."
Who is the "they" you refer to? There are at least 80 million gun owners in this country, most of whom would probably shoot first and ask questions afterwards. So who is this incredibly powerful, secret organization that will somehow take all our guns away. The "State Defense Forces"? Please.
Will you give up your AR-15 to the first guy that comes to your door with a "FEMA" baseball cap on and asks for it? I won't either. Or maybe they'll pull a Ruby Ridge on every gun owner in America.
Tell ya what. If Bill Clinton is still president on January 21, 2001, then I'll take this BS (Barbra Streisand) seriously. Where does the CFR and Trilateral commission fit into this, BTW? Next thing you know we'll be hearing about ZOG!
Actually, I'll tell you why I don't give a hoot about FEMA. You think all the gov't has to do is invent some emergency and they're free to declare the 4th Reich. Well, I think they can do that anytime they want without declaring an emergency. So how's that for paranoid?
And now, for your entertainment, edification, and amusement, I give you...
"It must be that some Y2K'ers are reminiscing from last year about how we are gonna be enslaved in NWO labor camps, run by the CFR Bilderbergers..etc...must be a slow news day, all the tin hat stuff keeps coming out..but its fun to read the ranting, then, predictably getting flamed for not being a true american patriot, being leftist swine, and being a satanic globalist et at...Same old BS.."
There are television channels called MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS and NBC that will tell you in monotone what you want to hear, and newspapers will give it to you again the next morning. If that's not enough, you can submerge yourself in Hollywood's garbage output. When you sense resistence, you can just dig up "tin hat" and "slow news day" again to make yourself feel better. Maybe others will learn to say "tin hat" too. Then you can all say "tin hat", or "slow news day", or both.
"Who is the "they" you refer to?"
They refers to the usage of military spec war troops that will undoubtedly be used in just such a case. Some of my own branch's Spec War troops (much to my shame) have already stated that they would have no problem firing on American citizens if resistance was encountered while rounding up personal weapons.
Yes there are 80 million gun owners, I am one, and NO I would not surrender my weapons willingly. I'll head for the high lonesome first. If someone from FEMA was to approach my house, I would be inclined to shoot first and ask questions later. My home is my castle!
Molon Labe! (Come and Get them!)
FEMA is a tool tailored for tyrants. These are perilous times.
This should leave every American speechless.We are THAT close to tyranny...
Your response reveals the shallowness of your thinking. Was there anything inaccurate in what I said? No, not at all -- it was a legitimate observation. (You also appear to misunderstand what Hitler did. Hitler acted entirely legally since he changed the laws first. The US Constitution cannot be changed that simply and it contains no provision for "suspension", so any such act is illegal and illegitimate -- however many people might go along with it (and as you yourself point out, if backed by force of arms (ie government forces) go along with it they will).
Posturing with animated GIFs and screen names like "Colt .45" is all very well as long as folks are just playing word games, but if things ever really came down hard, your sort would be amongst the first rounded up and/or shot. Furthermore, your sort makes it easier for an illegitmate government to cow the apathetic, by holding you up as the sort of dangerous militant lunatic they need to be protected from.
There's certainly a time for that sort of thing, but it's after the general populace has awakened to the illegitimacy of whatever the government (or FEMA or whomever) is doing. Otherwise you're just a useful idiot.
The price of Freedom certainly is eternal vigilance, but it also requires a modicum of intelligence.
The Price of Freedom is eternal vigilance. Let noone mistake name calling for intelligent discussion.
" Hitler acted entirely legally since he changed the laws first. The US Constitution cannot be changed that simply and it contains no provision for "suspension", so any such act is illegal and illegitimate -- however many people might go along with it (and as you yourself point out, if backed by force of arms (ie government forces) go along with it they will)." Spoken like a true loser!
You don't seem to want to acknowledge the apathy which exists in America today. Nobody cares, and are just as happy as a pig in sh*t as long as they are earning a fat paycheck! You buy into it by sitting there and tell everyone "don't worry, it'll never happen". Where you fail in your reasoning which is acknowledge by the asininity of your post is ... the U.S. Constitution has been the victim of undermining for the last 50 years starting with FDR. It wouldn't matter to you that this sellout of America has been going on under our very noses, with our tacit approval because no one questioned the proposal when it first showed up! You know ... it was sold to us all under the guise of a "good for society" proposition. Gosh, isn't that how Hitler got his ideas rammed through. Just because he changed the laws to legitimize his ideas, it didn't make his ideals, or his new laws (key word here) FUNDAMENTALLY right!
You have forgotten the words of James Madison who said " Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." FEMA is one of those silent encroachments! I guess we'll see who's being herded into the cattle cars won't we! I'll give you a hint ...it won't be me. As for the rest of your sentiments about my personal character, why don't you give those two brain cells of yours a rest, or is it that one of them is on permanent vacation anyway?! Contrary to what you might want to believe, I'm not some whacko militia man from the hills. You seem like some fat-@ssed white collar type who is probably some former political apparatchik. In other words ...!
BUMP
Harry, please explain to me (and others who worry about appearing ignorant) why Republicans talk about Richard Nixon with respect. Weren't the EPA and FEMA initiated under his term of Presidency ? To me these are federally organized One World initiation agencies. Am I correct of way off key ?
Thanks for the list of great websites.
I, very unfortunately do not have the same faith in our fellow Americans you do. I feel that 95% of the Americans you speak so strongly for would turn their firearms over to anyone who came to the door with the slightest show of authority. They would not have previously concealed any firearms and ammo outside of their home.
bttt
"I feel that 95% of the Americans you speak so strongly for would turn their firearms over to anyone who came to the door with the slightest show of authority."
I strongly disagree, and I don't think there is much evidence to support your opinion in this matter. I've traveled, and spoken to people in many regions of the nation, and to many of them guns are sacred. These are tough people who despise the gov't, and if push comes to shove, they'll shoot if they have to. BTW, this goes for law enforcement, too. I think most local cops would join the people rather than enforce a gun confiscation.
Are you a Britisher? If so, don't judge us by those standards. Our cultures are not the same. There is a long tradition in Britain of guns only belonging to the aristocracy, so when the time came, the commoners turned their guns over peaceably enough because there was no tradition of gun ownership for them to rally around, and no 2nd Amendment. It's different here, where guns have been a way of life since before our country even existed.
The Democrats lost the Congress because of America's revulsion to gun control, and it's arguable that Al Gore lost the election because of gun control. There are probably only 3 or 4 states in the entire U.S. that have what we would call serious gun control. Outside of California, New York, New Jersey, and Massachussetts, gun control just doesn't play well, if at all.
I would ask you to look and think and learn about America before you make those judgements.
Also, I think this whole FEMA thing is a big red herring. They don't have the manpower to enforce anything. Where where they during the L.A. riots? If all it takes is some crisis to turn America into a FEMA-run dictatorship, complete with gun confiscation, then why hasn't it happened already?
Where where they during the L.A. riots?
May I direct your attention to post 76?
Regards,
Yes, I read that post. It says that "FEMA was in the wings and ready to go".
That's exactly my point! They did absolutely nothing! Can someone show me any federal documents authorizing the rounding up of 21 million blacks or anyone else for that matter? Where would they keep them? Does FEMA's charter authorize the construction of concentration camps sufficient to hold 21 million persons? None of this makes sense. All we hear is speculation, paranoia, and conspiracy theories.
The only comporable event in our recent history was the roundup of Japanese Americans in California during WWII. That predates FEMA by 35 years! Maybe I'm insufficiently paranoid, but I need more proof than what I've heard so far.
I know what you're going to say. Once we know for sure it will be too late.
Or maybe the joke's on me. April Fools in December?
Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to Martial Law
Gee. We are being sodomized by the government but we should be afraid of being watched by it?
I don't think so. Hey FEMA! come and get me! At least my death will be quicker than the sheeples'.
No, I am not a Brit. I am a native Canuck with three USN tours in Nam, 65,66,& 67. Two in Da Nang and one in Dong Ha. I am quite familiar with combat, the blood, guts and corpses piled high still in our green uniforms outside the morgues waiting to be put in body bags.
The Brits are the most disgusting people on this earth. I was ill when I watched them give up their personal guns.
When I think of all the liberties the citizens of the US have given up with no fight what so ever I do not have much faith in them standing up to keep their personal weapons.
When I think that the most popular newspapers are so Democrat slanted in every news article I get sick. When I think that the majority of people can't bother to research their political candidates I get sick. When the majority of television stations being broadcast are pushing gay material to our children, the democrats view of life I get sick. When I see what the kids come home from our local schools with I get sick.
So come on give me some medicine and tell me what positive things are happening. Don't tell me BUSH, he is almost as un-sovereign minded as Sen. Diane Feinstien. He wants the global system as bad as his father did, so that shows me that the UN is going to stay around and end up with ONE WORLD FLAGS in DC. All of OUR national parks are under the management of the UN now. How many Congressmen tried to stop that ? Come on show me a damn thing that our Congress or Senate has stopped !
Bump
Those things you mention are local. Outside of a few coastal states they don't exist. They don't represent the mainstream of American thought. Don't believe everything you here in the media. But I agree that there is plenty to be disgusted about.
"Come on show me a damn thing that our Congress or Senate has stopped"
How about the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. How about more gun control after the Columbine massacre. Except for the '94 Crime Bill, there has been no federal gun control in 8 years. You can still buy a gun in every corner of America, except for a few odd places like NYC or DC. This is still a free country.
And I'll tell you another thing. You and others who keep going on and on about the UN. The UN is a puppet agency of the US Government. It always has been.
Maybe it's unfashionable to say so, but I don't think we've given up too many liberties. If you don't like your public school, just move. They can't stop you from moving. What is it you want to do that you can't do? Drive 100 MPH? Hunt pigeons in Central Park? Go streaking? Sorry, those things were never legal.
If you say that there has been a moral decay in America I would agree with you. But that, to me, means that there are too many freedoms, not too few. America is still a place where you can be anything and do anything (almost). Life is what you make it here. Free Republic is here. If the gov't was so powerful why haven't they shut it down? The Internet, that creation of the US gov't, has come along and made us even more free to communicate, or shop, or do any damn thing we want.
Sure, there are things to be disgruntled about. There always have been. But I think we are freer now than ever, maybe too free. I am an optimist. I think America's future is even brighter than it's past has been, and that's saying a lot.
Without a doubt the medicine you take is a mind bender ! Try quitting the medicine and seeing reality for a change.
Yes, I understand where you are coming from...the point I would make however is that reacting to them in fear is far more detrimental to oneself and the rest of us than denying them any jurisdiction whatsoever.
They know that what they do is unconstitutional...but they couldn't care less as long as they accomplish their mission of intimidation and fear...and suggesting that that power of force-of-arms is justification for fearing them is tantamount to capitulation to the concept of a government-by-force rather than a government-of-law.
I'm with you, friend. The question is, how many of us are there?
That is always the question that comes to the surface whenever and wherever the subject of restitution arises...by that I mean a restoration to the values that are the foundation of this nation. I can only say...change comes one by one...to wait for your neighbour before acting yourself while he waits for you produces no result whatever. Each and every one of us must act on good conscience and decide on their own whether or no to face the peril of being a solitary sane voice in a babble of confusion...
Perhaps then, one by one, the return to reason can begin.
The USA is divided up into individual multistate FEMA districts, each headed by a single administrator answerable only to DC. It is nothing new. In late 1933, the rubber-stamp, post-Fire Reichstag enacted laws which deprived all provincial and local German governments/parliaments of any real power.
Under the provisions of these laws, Germany's internal boundaries were redrawn into large areas, each called a Gau, each headed by a Nazi Party member called a Gauleiter (a sort of supergovernor with wide discretionary powers and answerable only to the party leaders in Berlin.) Each Gauleiter also had complete control over all public safety organizations not under the SS (the German local police were absorbed into the Gestapo.) The same Gau/Gauleiter method was used in many of Germany's occupied territories.
The Fourth Reich? Tragically, it is already here. The obsession with animal rights and euthanasia/population control, the massive interference with government into businesses large and small, the expansion of federal police powers into all aspects of life, the wholesale federalization/militarization of local police via "interagency cooperation" and the War on Some Drugs, propaganda as "public schooling," the glorification of Americorps (Hitler Youth then) at the expense of Scouting and other youth groups, the attempted elimination of private firearms ownership, the obsession with "external enemies." The sad list goes on.
I was up in the attic today doing some research. Bump.
BTTT
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
[
Top
|
Latest Posts
|
Latest Articles
|
Self Search
|
Add Bookmark
|
Post
|
Abuse
|
Help!
]
FreeRepublic , LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794 Forum Version 2.0a Copyright © 1999 Free Republic, LLC |